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  • Just how many ways are there to destroy the DO permantly without becoming the DO yourself? We all know about the squid ink. But I think that I have discovered another way, in 416 Rumple steals a potion from the fairies that can temporairily undo any spell, the reversal potion, Rumple uses it to turn Agust back to wood. Being the DO is a curse, so maybe this can also temporairily be broken and if it is you can kill him without being the DO, even though Rumple said it could undo spells for a brief moment, not curses. I also thought of the true love potion, being the DO makes it hard to truly accept love (At least I think.), so maybe by drinking the true love potion you can brake this curse. Rumple said it was able to brake the sleeping curse, the product of true love was able to break the DC, so maybe it can break the DO's curse. Even though, it is pure darkness we're speaking of, maybe there is something Merlin has to destroy it, maybe the excalibur.


    Thoughts??

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    • So, you mean to destroy the DARKNESS. The DO can easily be subdued and stopped.

      I'm certain the Darkness can never be destroyed. The Dark One can be defeated, imprisoned and placed in the vault of the DO.

      The Dark One curse can be broken, but that'll likely just release the Darkness.

      SO, there are three things.

      The Darkness which inhabits the person and is the force that threatens all realms. No known way to destroy it.

      The Dark One's curse tethers the Darkness to a human body. Can be broken via true love and other powerful spells.

      The Dark One is the host of the Dark One's curse. Can be immobilized, power neutralized, imprisioned in a host of ways, and can be killed to take the curse and by itself and retunr to the Vault awaiting ressurection. Or freed via True Love.....which will likely release the Darkness that will threaten the realms.

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    • I was thinking that The Author could use the quill to destroy the Darkness, as whatever he/she writes will come true

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      So, you mean to destroy the DARKNESS. The DO can easily be subdued and stopped.

      I'm certain the Darkness can never be destroyed. The Dark One can be defeated, imprisoned and placed in the vault of the DO.

      The Dark One curse can be broken, but that'll likely just release the Darkness.

      SO, there are three things.

      The Darkness which inhabits the person and is the force that threatens all realms. No known way to destroy it.

      The Dark One's curse tethers the Darkness to a human body. Can be broken via true love and other powerful spells.

      The Dark One is the host of the Dark One's curse. Can be immobilized, power neutralized, imprisioned in a host of ways, and can be killed to take the curse and by itself and retunr to the Vault awaiting ressurection. Or freed via True Love.....which will likely release the Darkness that will threaten the realms.

      I think that after gathering the darkness from the former DO (like Zoso and especially Rumple) the darkess gained strenght. I think that before Rumple became the DO the darkness wasn't that strong. It had probably more than three hundred years to rot on his heart, corrupt it and to weaken it. Maybe the darkness is onstopible now, but in the past it could be. Remember Cora saying that if Rumple died all that power will boil aff into the air, maybe the only way it was able to live into SB was because of the dark deeds Rumple did. But of course these are assumptions, no telling if they are true. I also think that by now the darkness is onstopible.

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    • Yeah, i think as well that the darkness kept growing absorbing the darkness the DO had into the next one. Maybe it did that beofre by snuffing out the light it grew. So, maybe it didn't matter to Merlin that the Darkness in the vessel could be contrlled but the Darkness would grow stronger either way.

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    • Good eval regarding the differences between the Dark One and the Darkness.  I think that is an important distinction.

      So far as we've seen, Only Rumple has broken away from the darkness, and that took the power of the Apprentice and the Hat.  ANd we saw that the hat could not contain the darkness, so I am of the oppinion that the Darkness itself is probably unstoppable.

      So breaking the Dark One Curse most likely just releases the Darkness until someone else tethers it using the dagger.

      Side thought. We know that Rumple loved power more than anything, but could there also maybe have been a bit of altruism when he pushed Belle away in Skin Deep.  We saw that True Love's kiss was working to free Rumple, but Rumple knew that freeing the darkness would not be a good thing. He even reminded us of that towards the end of Season 4 (when he said that the Dark ONe can not die, but Rumplestiltskin can, and that you did not want to be around when that happened). 

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    • Merida and The Dark Swan wrote:
      Just how many ways are there to destroy the DO permantly without becoming the DO yourself? We all know about the squid ink. But I think that I have discovered another way, in 416 Rumple steals a potion from the fairies that can temporairily undo any spell, the reversal potion, Rumple uses it to turn Agust back to wood. Being the DO is a curse, so maybe this can also temporairily be broken and if it is you can kill him without being the DO, even though Rumple said it could undo spells for a brief moment, not curses. I also thought of the true love potion, being the DO makes it hard to truly accept love (At least I think.), so maybe by drinking the true love potion you can brake this curse. Rumple said it was able to brake the sleeping curse, the product of true love was able to break the DC, so maybe it can break the DO's curse. Even though, it is pure darkness we're speaking of, maybe there is something Merlin has to destroy it, maybe the excalibur.


      Thoughts??



      Darkness IS NOT pure evil.  Evil is not a color.  And why can't Horowitz and Kitsis think of a real name for that entity?  

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    • CTrent, no one said pure evil as far as I have seen.

      It makes since as a name because it's name is from thousands of years ago and back then people had pretty black and white viewpoints. But that is not what the thread is about.

      (Sidenote: I totally spotted you on another forum, lol, the other day.)

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    • I think that the question should be "should they destroy the Darkness?"

      It  seems like the whole universe is ballanced: Good-evil, heroes- villians, dark megic-pure megic ect.(and of course, I'm not talking only about Ouat universe but let's not discuss this subject,too religious...) what if destroying the darkness will result in destroying an equally powerful "good" force? (which maybe the price of destroying it) So, maybe it is best to capture it but not destroy it completely. 

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    • Miss Starr wrote:
      I think that the question should be "should they destroy the Darkness?"

      It  seems like the whole universe is ballanced: Good-evil, heroes- villians, dark megic-pure megic ect.(and of course, I'm not talking only about Ouat universe but let's not discuss this subject,too religious...) what if destroying the darkness will result in destroying an equally powerful "good" force? (which maybe the price of destroying it) So, maybe it is best to capture it but not destroy it completely. 

      Maybe that's why Merlin didn't destroy it before, it would also be an explenation for the name of the second episode.

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    • I wonder what would have happened if they had tried to lock up the Darkness in Pandora's Box.      After all, it should be able to contain all the evils in the world.

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    • Miss Starr wrote:
      I wonder what would have happened if they had tried to lock up the Darkness in Pandora's Box.      After all, it should be able to contain all the evils in the world.

      Yeah, but even the hat, that was created by the most powerful sorcerer ever, couldn't contain it. So I don't think that pandora's box could. But it can contain the DO. 

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    • Merida and The Dark Swan wrote:
      Miss Starr wrote:
      I wonder what would have happened if they had tried to lock up the Darkness in Pandora's Box.      After all, it should be able to contain all the evils in the world.
      Yeah, but even the hat, that was created by the most powerful sorcerer ever, couldn't contain it. So I don't think that pandora's box could. But it can contain the DO. 

      Yep, Merlin should have just tethered the DO and then toss it in Pandora;s box and put it where noone would ever find or get it.

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    • True Love's Kiss can break the Dark One's Curse, but it will have no effect if the Dark One in question likes the power they've been betrothed with and don't want to give it up e.g. Back in Season 1 when Belle and Rumplestltskin shared True Love's Kiss it was capable of breaking the Dark One's Curse, but he chose power over love. In logical terms if the afflicted person wants the power it's no longer considered a Curse. The only real part of being the Dark One that's a Curse is the Dark One's Dagger.

      If the Dark One is killed without the Dark One's Dagger, the person in question will expel the power of darkness, with no new Dark One, and the Curse will "pass from this world".

      The Dark One cannot die from their heart turning black, but the host it's tethered to can leaving only The Dark One (and nothing of the human host) behind. When the Apprentice extracted the Darkness from Gold's heart and tried to trap it in the hat, once it got loose this allowed it to roam around of its own free will to seek out a new host.

      The Darkness is immortal, but OUAT's interpretation of immortal is that one can live forever, but it doesn't mean they cannot die.

      IMO the most effective way to get rid of the Dark One's Curse is to kill the current host without using the Dark One's Dagger so the powers of the Dark One will be expelled from this world without anyone else being next in line to inherit it. Another effective but more dangerous method would be available after the hosts heart has turned black, use the Dagger and command the Dark One to cross the Storybrooke town line due to the fact there's no magic beyond that point and due to the host body being dead, the Dark One will die without being stabbed by the Dark One's Dagger.

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    • Alex The OUaT Fan wrote:
      Just how many ways are there to destroy the DO permantly without becoming the DO yourself? We all know about the squid ink. But I think that I have discovered another way, in 416 Rumple steals a potion from the fairies that can temporairily undo any spell, the reversal potion, Rumple uses it to turn Agust back to wood. Being the DO is a curse, so maybe this can also temporairily be broken and if it is you can kill him without being the DO, even though Rumple said it could undo spells for a brief moment, not curses. I also thought of the true love potion, being the DO makes it hard to truly accept love (At least I think.), so maybe by drinking the true love potion you can brake this curse. Rumple said it was able to brake the sleeping curse, the product of true love was able to break the DC, so maybe it can break the DO's curse. Even though, it is pure darkness we're speaking of, maybe there is something Merlin has to destroy it, maybe the excalibur.


      Thoughts??

      I thought merlin said that the darkness could be used for good if the right person gets ahold of it. Wouldn't that person become THE LIGHT ONE

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    • Killing Rumple.

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    • But before Hook bled out, Merlin was ready to get rid of the Darkness, which means he probably had a way to destroy it.

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    • Plus its impossible to destroy darkness. The darkness cannot be destroyed as long as there is darkness in people's hearts.

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    • Dark Fantasy1990 wrote:
      Plus its impossible to destroy darkness. The darkness cannot be destroyed as long as there is darkness in people's hearts.

      By Darkness it's about the Holy Grail Magic.

      Merlin's plan was likely to just absorb the power himself and then kill himself. (Or just use the sword to rid them both of the magic and then do something with the sword. If they knew of the Dark Grail, all they'd have to do is absorb it there.

      Magic can't be destroyed, but it surely can be moved where none can reach it.

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