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  • On "Ariel" We saw ariel turn her tail to legs and there's a sea green smoke. Also there's Poseidon's trident, magic bracelets (the one regina gave to ariel and the one found on poseidon's vault) and squid ink. Do u think this is another kind of magic?

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    • traveling through realms.

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    • Squid ink doesn't effect the Mermaid's transformation at all, that's to freeze powerful magic users.

      As we know, Ariel cannot change her tail at will unless she has a transforming bracelet. Mermaids typically do so via the (real) Goddess Ursula. It's not somedifferent type of magic just the same shapeshifting magic as always. Regina managed to turn herself into a cecaelia with her normal magic (just like when Ursula used the trident and what the Goddess Ursula already is.).

      We don't know that Poseidon's trident has anything to do with mermaid tail transformation either.

      SO, confirmed ways are only, Goddess Ursula and Enchanted bracelet. Turning into a cecaelia is trident and general witchcraft.

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    • Merida and The Dark Swan wrote:
      traveling through realms.

      Thx for reminding me, traveling through realms is also a mermaid exclusive ability, counting out magic beans, jefferson's hat, looking glasses, and magic doors, they are items of their own power, not a natural ability a creature/being possess. I don't think the trident is a general witchcraft, Poseidon is a deity, so I would say the trident has its own category, either mer-magic or divine magic. Also the storm-calling the mermaid on hook's ship did, I think that's also mermaid magic.

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    • Poseidon isn't a merperson. He is a deity. There's no proof their is  a difference between divine magic and witchcraft. Goddess Ursula, Poseidon and Regina can all change mertails into legs, so there's no shown difference between that and witchcraft magic.

      Poseidon can just be an immortal person with magic. Merlin is shown to live for thousands of years and have magic, but he isn't a deity. Same with the Dark One.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Poseidon isn't a merperson. He is a deity. There's no proof their is  a difference between divine magic and witchcraft. Goddess Ursula, Poseidon and Regina can all change mertails into legs, so there's no shown difference between that and witchcraft magic.

      Poseidon can just be an immortal person with magic. Merlin is shown to live for thousands of years and have magic, but he isn't a deity. Same with the Dark One.

      there's still travelling through realms and storm-calling

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    • Mermaids can indeed trvel thru realms under water. Storm calling could be a magic shell thing though. Or just a neverland thing.

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    • actually, I could see the storm calling being a mermaid magic type thing.  Mermaids like to cause havoc with ships in the water, and that would be another way to do that (aside from singing to attact sailors into treachorous rocks).

      And the singing was not just Ursula.  When Ursula was drawing the Jolly Roger towards the Rocks (Poor Unfortunate Soul), and Hook realized what was going on, he distinctly pointed out that it was MERMAID singing that was the cause. And with his experience in Neverland, I would imagine that he had more than one encounter with Mermaids prior to this.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Squid ink doesn't effect the Mermaid's transformation at all, that's to freeze powerful magic users.

      As we know, Ariel cannot change her tail at will unless she has a transforming bracelet. Mermaids typically do so via the (real) Goddess Ursula. It's not somedifferent type of magic just the same shapeshifting magic as always. Regina managed to turn herself into a cecaelia with her normal magic (just like when Ursula used the trident and what the Goddess Ursula already is.).

      We don't know that Poseidon's trident has anything to do with mermaid tail transformation either.

      SO, confirmed ways are only, Goddess Ursula and Enchanted bracelet. Turning into a cecaelia is trident and general witchcraft.

      About the transform tail at will. While full mermaids can't there could be a slight chance a mermaid born half human half mermaid could transform at will.

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    • Dark Fantasy1990 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Squid ink doesn't effect the Mermaid's transformation at all, that's to freeze powerful magic users.

      As we know, Ariel cannot change her tail at will unless she has a transforming bracelet. Mermaids typically do so via the (real) Goddess Ursula. It's not somedifferent type of magic just the same shapeshifting magic as always. Regina managed to turn herself into a cecaelia with her normal magic (just like when Ursula used the trident and what the Goddess Ursula already is.).

      We don't know that Poseidon's trident has anything to do with mermaid tail transformation either.

      SO, confirmed ways are only, Goddess Ursula and Enchanted bracelet. Turning into a cecaelia is trident and general witchcraft.

      About the transform tail at will. While full mermaids can't there could be a slight chance a mermaid born half human half mermaid could transform at will.

      well we haven't seen a mermaid/human hybrid or any other hybrids on the show so we can't really say anything about half mermaids transforming at will

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    • I think mermaids and sirens have their own kind of magic similar to fairies. While fairies use wands and dust to use their powers, mermaids may use music while sirens use the waters of the springs or lakes they guard.

      Mermaids can use conch shells like horns to manipulate the weather and their singing can draw men towards them. Hook also stated in the book "Out of the Past", that his brother's dead-like sleep may have been the result of a mermaid's enchantment. Mermaids may be able to enchant people, possibly with their voices and keep them under their spell long after they have stopped singing. Also the conch shell maybe a reference to Triton from Greek mythology who could manipulate the sea with his shell horn.

      Though not proven, a siren's source of magic may be the body of water she presides over. This may be the reason why the siren had to pour water over herself to change into Snow White. They can also either sense their prey's desires or her magic can instinctively transform her into what her victem desires. Sirens may also be able to manipulate the flora of their lakes, as shown when the siren ensnared Charming in the weeds on her lake bed.

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    • I think that mermaids do have their own magic and it links to the control over water, storms and ability to travel between worlds.

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    • JackWerewolf-13 wrote:
      I think that mermaids do have their own magic and it links to the control over water, storms and ability to travel between worlds.

      Also magical voices (like ursula's)

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    • On "Strange Case" Hook mentioned Mermaid Magic when he pulls out somewhat a magic conch shell and mentions how mermaids used it to call each other under the sea. I still think Mermaids have their own kind of magic, magic from beneath the sea, so this type of magic can:

      -call for storms through conch shells

      -lure people with magical singing voices

      -travelling through realms (i think mermaid can open portals under water)

      -and lastly, communicating through shells, either on land or sea, or to communicate from land to sea

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    • Which we did see a form of the seashell communication magic in season 3. In "Nasty Habits", Neal uses a shell to summon a giant squid. and again, in Ariel, Regina uses a shell to summon Ariel (specifically Ariel, since Regina was expecting her to show up). So I'm not 100% certain that the shell communication is limited to Mermaids, but is actually more a form of general magic that is accessible to those that know about it (generally sea people, or sea-faring people, like pirates).

      The variation of this that we saw in "Strange Case" though, does tend towards specialized magic, since it not only involved a sending shell but also a receiving shell (which Killian carried).

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Which we did see a form of the seashell communication magic in season 3. In "Nasty Habits", Neal uses a shell to summon a giant squid. and again, in Ariel, Regina uses a shell to summon Ariel (specifically Ariel, since Regina was expecting her to show up). So I'm not 100% certain that the shell communication is limited to Mermaids, but is actually more a form of general magic that is accessible to those that know about it (generally sea people, or sea-faring people, like pirates).

      The variation of this that we saw in "Strange Case" though, does tend towards specialized magic, since it not only involved a sending shell but also a receiving shell (which Killian carried).

      I think Ariel might have carried the receiving shell as well when Regina called her like how Killian wore it as a necklace. I agree with you stating that anyone can use the shell communication, it's not limited mermaids, but anyone can also use fairy dust, and fairy dust is not limited to fairies. Humans may use magic originating from other magical beings, but it doesn't count as general magic. If a fairy's magic is categorized as a type of magic on it's own, why can't we put mermaid magic?

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    • I don't think I ever said that Mermaid magic couldn't be it's own category. I was just specifically calling out the shell communication and suggesting that it might be more of a general magic rather than mermaid specific.

      However, I can see both sides of that argument. Which just shows that that Once has a real problem with its magic building. just like it has a real problem with world building (topic for a different thread).

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    • I dont actually think Mermaids have any specifically individual magic with the exception of creating portals between worlds and their voices. This is a by product of their species, similar as to how Dragons can breath fire. The shells being used to summon storms and communicate with other sea creatures is a water based magic. I think the seas of the Enchanted Forest are as full as magic as the air around the surface that generate Dragons, Dwarfs, Ogres, Trolls, Fairies, Werewolves and Enchanted Trees. I mean in the oceans we have Giant Squids (which generate extremely powerful squid ink), we have Monstro, Ursula (sea witch) Sirens and Mermaids. Poseidon or even Ursula may have created the shells and I believe that only she or Posidon can turn Mermaid's human. I know we saw Regina give Ariel a bracelet but I doubt she created that herself and prob got it from Poseidon at some point or while in her Ursula guise stole the bracelet from his vault. 

      It is also worth noting that Poseidon does not seem to have the ability to create a portal to other worlds and needed a mermaid to do it for him, so even his powers have their limits.

      This theory comes from what August tells Emma about that if anything had magic in it it would be water. 

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    • i don't think it's necessarily true that Poseidon doesn't have the abiltiy to make portals (though I could see an argument that the ability is limited to female mer-people, but that would require magic building). I think it is more of a situation that he was led to the specific location by Ariel, who had already been to Storybrooke, and therefore knew the way. Or maybe it was just that Ariel summoned Triton, which led him to the waters in Storybrook's bay.

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