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  • Eskaver
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    22:45, September 30, 2017

    Present theories on how Merida will be incorporated.

    I'd rather not have the whole "this is dumb once =/= disney why is she here" junk on here (honestly i agree, but it's not gonna change anything). I guess it's your choice but if you disagree, can you just kind of avoid this thread? Gracias.

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    • The most popular theory seems to be that Merida is Robena's daughter (after all, red hair and archery), but how would she get so old so quickly? I'm actually thinking that in some twisted way she's somehow Rumple's mom. She's scottish with curly hair, so why not? :P

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    • ^ I was thinking the same thing, Maybe Evanna is Merida. That'll be an interesting thing on the character. Maybe Evnna's friend though.

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    • I just don't see it. It's one thing to take a generic fairytale character and have twist on their backstory. It's another to take a Disney original character and change her - they might as well call her in adifferent name if she has a different story and personality from the original source material. If they use Merida then she has to be Merida. Not someone who looks like her and has the same name, but with a completely different story.

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    • Well, as a large supporter of Once =/= Disney, I am intrigued by Merida. I knew she was coming and might be used interestingly. I shut down everyone's theory. Merida is not Robin and Regina or Zelena's child.

      Esk's theory: Merida is Rumple's mother. Think about it and it's true.

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    • ...Esk you're the third person to say that, it isn't exactly "your" theory xD

      I guess that makes sense; if she's Robena's daughter, that would change who she is, and that would go completely against everything they established with the Frozen arc. She could be Rumple's mom and the events of Brave could still happen, like with Anna and Elsa.

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    • The girl in the clip, Amy Manson, is actaully going to play her for thoses thinking about who'll be cast: https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/619933217638879232

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    • Yeah, I saw that. She looks a lot like Merida, too. I like the casting.

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    • I think she has a connection with Camelot in some way shape or form. Since she is of royal blood her family would have known of other royal families outside their borders.

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    • If Merida is somewhat connected to Robin there's two possible answers. Merida could be Robin's ancestor or sister.

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    • WAIT OH MY GOSH GUYS WE TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT THIS

      Someone taught Snow archery, right??? But we know it isn't Robin! So obviously it's...

      Rumplestiltskin! Merida!

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    • So Elsa, Anna and Merida are the only 3 Disney's princesses (4 if you count Belle) to wear their exact dresses from their movies

      She could be Evanna since her casting call was released very early

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    • I'm not sure how I feel about this, at least  Elsa was inspired by the Snow Queen while Merida is completley orginal, I did have an intresting idea though, what if when Merida was younger  her hair was blonde so she was  given the nickname of Goldilocks and when she grow older her hair became red, but the nickname still stuck, then Merida accidetnally turns her family into bears or something like that, just an idea

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    • Nate Frostbyte wrote:
      So Elsa, Anna and Merida are the only 3 Disney's princesses (4 if you count Belle) to wear their exact dresses from their movies

      She could be Evanna since her casting call was released very early

      Merida is more of Pixar, but she could still count as Disney. Maybe Merida got into another argument with her mother causing Merida to runaway from Dun Broch, and exile herself to the Enchanted Forest.

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    • Lol, the page didn't load properly on mobile so I didn't see the previous responses.

      So, Evanna or Snow's friend.

      I understand the anger towards having Merida not being based on a Fairytale, but it's pretty darn close, right?

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    • I mean, we could have gotten a teaser for Anger from Inside Out. Or Baymax from Big Hero 6. Out of all the non-fairytale Disney(/Pixar) people they could've chosen, Merida's the best.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote: WAIT OH MY GOSH GUYS WE TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT THIS

      Someone taught Snow archery, right??? But we know it isn't Robin! So obviously it's...

      Merida!

      I'm actually going to agree with that

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    • I have the feeling they can't change Merida's backstory, just like with Anna and Elsa before. Saying that, I also feel they can't give her character some kind of unhappy ending. And I don't think Rumple's mother would have a really happy ending, having Malcolm as a husband, Rumple as a son, and she is not there when Rumple is a kid...

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    • Nate Frostbyte wrote: So Elsa, Anna and Merida are the only 3 Disney's princesses (4 if you count Belle) to wear their exact dresses from their movies

      Actually 5 if you count Ariel in her mermaid form.

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    • MegaWicked wrote:

      Nate Frostbyte wrote: So Elsa, Anna and Merida are the only 3 Disney's princesses (4 if you count Belle) to wear their exact dresses from their movies

      Actually 5 if you count Ariel in her mermaid form.

      What about Cinderella? It might not be the exact same, but it's extremely similar. Even more similar to the one from the 2015 live-action movie (but the episode she appeared aired lon before that).

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    • I have two theories :

      She can be the Rumpel's sister... :D

      Or she can have a link with Robin... ;) Like her sister... Oh please ! I want her with Mulan !!! <3

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    • Gogaste wrote:
      I have two theories :

      She can be the Rumpel's sister... :D

      Or she can have a link with Robin... ;) Like her sister... Oh please ! I want her with Mulan !!! <3

      I actually really want her to be with Mulan... I ship SleepingWarrior (AuroraxMulan) so much, but honestly I just want Mulan to be back on the show and for her to be with someone who makes her happy, and if that someone is Merida I'll be very happy.

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    • I saw that :( Oh well.

      So it's either Snow's friend, Zelena's daughter, or just disconnected completely.

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    • I'll say she is Rumple's AUNT.

      Sister of Evanna.

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    • Since Once's Merida has the same hair, same dresss and same way to shoot arrows, ... I think she's actually Disney/Pixar's Merida

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    • So we have the 3 most amazing archers here : Snow, Merida and Robin Hood ... (4 if you count Charming)

      We need a competition already XD

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    • Aww! I mean possible Scottish and everything. Sadly, then all I see her doing is being a random character that runs into Snow in Snow vs Regina flashback #97.

      Her appearance isn't finalized (aka Elsa's costume changed) and the story can still be totally different (see Cruella).

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    • What if Merida is the woman filming with Rumple and Emma ?

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    • Thank God she is not Rumple's mother

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    • Not sure if people noticed, but Evanna doesn't exist, Rumple's mom will not appear.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Not sure if people noticed, but Evanna doesn't exist, Rumple's mom will not appear.

      Well, she said, at least for now. The showrunners said we would see Rumple's mother. Now, who do I believe?

      The casting call was a red herring (the biggest villain on Once), but that doesn't mean we won't see her. Twist on a Twist.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Not sure if people noticed, but Evanna doesn't exist, Rumple's mom will not appear.
      Well, she said, at least for now. The showrunners said we would see Rumple's mother. Now, who do I believe?

      The casting call was a red herring (the biggest villain on Once), but that doesn't mean we won't see her. Twist on a Twist.

      What does a "red herring" means? Sorry, I'm not familiar with that term.

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    • Nate Frostbyte wrote:
      So we have the 3 most amazing archers here : Snow, Merida and Robin Hood ... (4 if you count Charming)

      We need a competition already XD

      Also Granny if you count her crossbow xD

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    • Nate Frostbyte wrote:
      Since Once's Merida has the same hair, same dresss and same way to shoot arrows, ... I think she's actually Disney/Pixar's Merida

      Adam said on Twitter that she's the "first Pixar character" introduced on OUAT, so I think she'll be like Elsa, Anna and the rest of the Frozen characters (exact same character, with the exact same backstory, clothes, personality, etc)

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    • Andrew Robbins wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Not sure if people noticed, but Evanna doesn't exist, Rumple's mom will not appear.
      Well, she said, at least for now. The showrunners said we would see Rumple's mother. Now, who do I believe?

      The casting call was a red herring (the biggest villain on Once), but that doesn't mean we won't see her. Twist on a Twist.

      What does a "red herring" means? Sorry, I'm not familiar with that term.

      A red herring is something that is misleading or disracting from the real secret.

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    • Andrew Robbins wrote:
      Nate Frostbyte wrote:
      So we have the 3 most amazing archers here : Snow, Merida and Robin Hood ... (4 if you count Charming)

      We need a competition already XD

      Also Granny if you count her crossbow xD

      Well, Robin used a magic bow, so I don't know about him. Snow, Merida, and Granny would be tough, but don't forget David! He was really good too, he just rarely uses the bow (not like they are plentiful in LWM).

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    • A red herring is an unimportant fact, idea, event, etc. that takes people’s attention away from the important ones :)

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    • Eskaver wrote: Sadly, then all I see her doing is being a random character that runs into Snow in Snow vs Regina flashback #97.

      I think she will be more than that because besides the important characters of the season, no one can have their own teaser

      P.S : I'll take it back as Ariel got one and she ...

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    • Nate Frostbyte wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: Sadly, then all I see her doing is being a random character that runs into Snow in Snow vs Regina flashback #97.

      I think she will be more than that because besides the important characters of the season, no one can have their own teaser

      Ariel had a teaser and we know where it got her.

      She'll likely be the Ariel in flashback, but also like a second Ruby.

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    • Andrew Robbins wrote:

      Nate Frostbyte wrote:
      Since Once's Merida has the same hair, same dresss and same way to shoot arrows, ... I think she's actually Disney/Pixar's Merida

      Adam said on Twitter that she's the "first Pixar character" introduced on OUAT, so I think she'll be like Elsa, Anna and the rest of the Frozen characters (exact same character, with the exact same backstory, clothes, personality, etc)

      If we can have Pixar characters, give me Woody.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      Andrew Robbins wrote:

      Nate Frostbyte wrote:
      Since Once's Merida has the same hair, same dresss and same way to shoot arrows, ... I think she's actually Disney/Pixar's Merida
      Adam said on Twitter that she's the "first Pixar character" introduced on OUAT, so I think she'll be like Elsa, Anna and the rest of the Frozen characters (exact same character, with the exact same backstory, clothes, personality, etc)

      If we can have Pixar characters, give me Woody.

      Um, what? I guess you mean as a cameo, but no talking dolls. He could hang around with the marionettes which are likely Geppetto's now dead parents......creeptastic!

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    • Eskaver wrote: Well, she said, at least for now. The showrunners said we would see Rumple's mother. Now, who do I believe?

      I will believe her since the creators "lie" all the time XD

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote: If we can have Pixar characters, give me Woody.

      Well, at least, Merida does look like someone who walks out of fairytale while Woody is just a toy and I doubt the main villian of season 6 will be Annabelle

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    • Maybe Merida will become Mulan's true love?

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      Andrew Robbins wrote:

      Nate Frostbyte wrote:
      Since Once's Merida has the same hair, same dresss and same way to shoot arrows, ... I think she's actually Disney/Pixar's Merida
      Adam said on Twitter that she's the "first Pixar character" introduced on OUAT, so I think she'll be like Elsa, Anna and the rest of the Frozen characters (exact same character, with the exact same backstory, clothes, personality, etc)

      If we can have Pixar characters, give me Woody.


      Well, Merida is in an enchanted world in the film and Woody is in the normal world.

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    • I guess 'BRAVE' just moved up on my to-see list (It was already high, just have not had the opportunity).

      But from everything that I've heard, while Brave is not based on any of the classic fairy tales, it does flow like a fairy tale, and I have heard some consider it a modern fairy tale.

      I remember all the way back in season 2 that people were theorizing that Merida was one of the candidates for Snow's archery tutor. We may very well see that come to pass.

      And A&E did mention that Merida will appear in the season premiere.

      As for the suggestion of an archery contest, I like that idea.  And I know the person to best judge it would be a new character to introduce... William Tell.

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    • So, a flashback with Snow seem certain (I need to see the movie too, lol. Heard it was good, but never seemed interested enough to watch.).

      We all know magic aside, Merida would win based off that promo, unless that's just all show. Then, Granny vs Snow vs Merida vs Robin vs David (I put him their becuase in Snow Falls, it shows that he's really good!) Maybe even a arrow catching contest between Rumple, Zelena and Regina, lol.

      I wonder if she'll be an Ariel at first with Snow's buddy and a bit of their own story or if she'll be like a Frozen character and skip that.

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    • Nate Frostbyte wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      If we can have Pixar characters, give me Woody.

      Well, at least, Merida does look like someone who walks out of fairytale while Woody is just a toy and I doubt the main villian of season 6 will be Annabelle

      Excuse me? He can get the Once twist like (almost) everyone, he wouldn't be a toy, he would be a real cowboy, the new sheriff perhaps.

      Notice I didn't ask for Buzz or talking potatoes, dinosaurs and stuff.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      Nate Frostbyte wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      If we can have Pixar characters, give me Woody.

      Well, at least, Merida does look like someone who walks out of fairytale while Woody is just a toy and I doubt the main villian of season 6 will be Annabelle

      Excuse me? He can get the Once twist like (almost) everyone, he wouldn't be a toy, he would be a real cowboy, the new sheriff perhaps.

      Notice I didn't ask for Buzz or talking potatoes, dinosaurs and stuff.

      Hey, you know....it's off topic. Woody's a toy and belongs in a daycare. Non-issue, not a fairytale or similar to it whatsoever, not even a children's book, so BACK ON TOPIC!

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    • Xtian MadHatter wrote:
      Maybe Merida will become Mulan's true love?

      Yes please.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      So, a flashback with Snow seem certain (I need to see the movie too, lol. Heard it was good, but never seemed interested enough to watch.).

      We all know magic aside, Merida would win based off that promo, unless that's just all show. Then, Granny vs Snow vs Merida vs Robin vs David (I put him their becuase in Snow Falls, it shows that he's really good!) Maybe even a arrow catching contest between Rumple, Zelena and Regina, lol.

      I wonder if she'll be an Ariel at first with Snow's buddy and a bit of their own story or if she'll be like a Frozen character and skip that.

      If you're going to have an arrow catching contest, you have to include Emma.  She can take an arrow with the best of em now.

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    • I think DunBroch like Arendelle is a separate land, and Merida ran away from DunBroch ending up going to the Enchanted Forest.

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    • "Do the brave thing and bravery would follow" - Maybe Merida taught Belle that :)

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    • I think Merida is Rumple's mother. That would be surprising. I never knew that Rumple was from the UK.

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    • Joseph8 wrote:
      I think Merida is Rumple's mother. That would be surprising. I never knew that Rumple was from the UK.

      Merida is already confirmed to not be Rumple's mom. The latter is also confirmed that she won't appear.

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    • I love that Merida's been added. All of the people who've continously said that Once isn't Disney can finally take some seats. Especially a certain annoying someone. :P Merida has no literary basis and was created from scratch by Pixar.

      Anyway, I'm very happy Merida is here because I loved her movie, loved her story and if they don't make Merida Snow's archery instructor, then they are seriously missing out on a MASSIVE opportunity. There's not that many archers in the Disney universe (Mulan, Robin Hood and Merida being the ONLY ones that come to mind without any deep thought) and Merida is the only one left to be introduced. We know Mulan didn't meet Snow before 2A and Robin met Snow during the missing year.

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    • Yeah, those pesky Once isn't Disney people! (Btw I meant Once isn't live action Disney, lol). Merida was talked about prior to season 4 and at least she has a fairytale like story with enchanting elements.

      I'm certain that Merida is Snow's archer buddy, otherwise that's a missed opportunity. We did see a Triqutra/ Celtic Knot when they went to see the Tree of Wisdom. Haven't seen the movie though by clips I like Merida, but was there some tree or witch person?

      So, given that we've seen at least a Celtic kingdom near Snow and Charming's lands, I suppose Merida is not to far. (Note: That isn;t Merida's house sigil.)

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    • There is a witch in Brave, and she's a wood carver who is fond of bears. (There's a theory tying all the Pixar movies together that she's Boo from Monsters Inc. who's time travelling after having learned magic so that she could find Sully, who is featured in one of the witch's wood carvings.)

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      There is a witch in Brave, and she's a wood carver who is fond of bears. (There's a theory tying all the Pixar movies together that she's Boo from Monsters Inc. who's time travelling after having learned magic so that she could find Sully, who is featured in one of the witch's wood carvings.)

      Haha, thanks. (I think those things are just easter eggs, lol)

      Just read up on them on the wiki. I wonder who the witch is on Once? I wonder if that's really a question worth asking? Parents? I doubt we'll get much more than that (becuase triplets I doubt are easy to come by.)

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Yeah, those pesky Once isn't Disney people! (Btw I meant Once isn't live action Disney, lol). Merida was talked about prior to season 4 and at least she has a fairytale like story with enchanting elements.

      I'm certain that Merida is Snow's archer buddy, otherwise that's a missed opportunity. We did see a Triqutra/ Celtic Knot when they went to see the Tree of Wisdom. Haven't seen the movie though by clips I like Merida, but was there some tree or witch person?

      So, given that we've seen at least a Celtic kingdom near Snow and Charming's lands, I suppose Merida is not to far. (Note: That isn;t Merida's house sigil.)

      It is possible that OUaT's Merida is from Camelot, and knows where Merlin is.

      Totally agree that Merida trained Snow White, in the art of archery. Since is it was not Robin Hood, who else would it have been? If so.... Snow White sure has a thing for redheads. ;)

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      There is a witch in Brave, and she's a wood carver who is fond of bears. (There's a theory tying all the Pixar movies together that she's Boo from Monsters Inc. who's time travelling after having learned magic so that she could find Sully, who is featured in one of the witch's wood carvings.)
      Haha, thanks. (I think those things are just easter eggs, lol)

      Just read up on them on the wiki. I wonder who the witch is on Once? I wonder if that's really a question worth asking? Parents? I doubt we'll get much more than that (becuase triplets I doubt are easy to come by.)

      Witch gives Merida a pastry that turns her mother into a bear. Food magic is obviously linked to Regina (the apple), while animal magic is more linked to Rumple and Maleficent (Rumple turning people into snails and pigs, Maleficent turning Philip into a Yaoguai and herself into a dragon).

      So it really could be anyone, honestly. Hell, it could be Morgana La Fay or Mad Madam Mim (because LOLZ). But I doubt they would take out Queen Elinor and King Fergus. Merida's entire story is about her relationship with her mother, which is what the show's about. They would never be so callous with that relationship. I just hope they pair her up with Young MacGuffin on the show (who was originally supposed to be her boyfriend in the movie before they decided she shouldn't fall in love).

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      WAIT OH MY GOSH GUYS WE TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT THIS

      Someone taught Snow archery, right??? But we know it isn't Robin! So obviously it's...

      Rumplestiltskin! Merida!

      This!

      This needs to happen

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    • I mean, we've all kind of assumed it was Merida since Robin was debunked in "Witch Hunt". Unless Eddie and Adam have been trolling us since "The Evil Queen" and Snow was referring to Red, who was pretty savage at times lol

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    • Honestly, I don't want Merida to be Zelena's offspring

      But I would hate it more if her child is just there to be adopted by Regina and that's it

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    • Nate Frostbyte wrote:
      Honestly, I don't want Merida to be Zelena's offspring

      But I would hate it more if her child is just there to be adopted by Regina and that's it

      I don't think that's what will happen.

      First of all, why would they do a 20 year time jump for maybe an episode or two JUST to show Merida? Secondly, why would she have a Scottish accent if both of her parents speak British, while her potential adoptive mother speaks American? Unless Rumple kidnaps her, I highly doubt that's what happens.

      I personally thought it was kind of obvious that Merida's from Camelot and her story with Queen Elinor (her mother) will somehow intersect with Emma and Snow. Maybe Emma's the Witch from Brave and does her first Dark One deal with Merida? Maybe Merida's actually only showing up in flashbacks in one episode like Rapunzel just to teach Snow some archery? Who really knows?

      But she's not GreenHood's child. God. I think I'd be sick.

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    • https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/619996374784831488

      Adam confirmed that Merida will NOT be Zelena and Robin's child :)

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    • I hope they at least merge her with another fairy tale character

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    • Has it actually been confirmed that Merida is a Enchanted Forest characters, because I can also see her fit in Camelot and that DunBorch(?) is just a sub-kingdom of Camelot.

      And I also support the theory that she is Snow's teacher, it just makes sense. Maybe she became Snow's teacher during the time when she ran away from home and went to the Enchanted Forest until Snow said she should go back and get on good terms with her parents (note, I haven't seen Brave so I dunno the story of it)

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    • I haven't watched the movie yet but my Theory: Merdia is Snow's teacher and she visits the DO's cage, where she sees Emma, who shapeshifted into Snow. She tells of the DC and she says that after her daughter broke the curse, Regina put her in this cell! Merdia frees her friend, Emma turns back to herself. She creates a portel to SB, she jumps in, Merdia follows, but as Emma tries to stop her they end up in Camelot instead!!! Where they meet Arthur. 

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      Has it actually been confirmed that Merida is a Enchanted Forest characters, because I can also see her fit in Camelot and that DunBorch(?) is just a sub-kingdom of Camelot.

      And I also support the theory that she is Snow's teacher, it just makes sense. Maybe she became Snow's teacher during the time when she ran away from home and went to the Enchanted Forest until Snow said she should go back and get on good terms with her parents (note, I haven't seen Brave so I dunno the story of it)

      SPOILERS AHEAD (I guess, despite this movie being 3 years old LOL)

      Queen Elinor tries to get Merida married off by her 16th birthday to one of three young men her age: Young Macintosh (hot, but a wimp), Wee Dingwall (stupid and ugly), and Young MacGuffin (the suitor Merida was going to choose before the creators decided to leave her single. The show might hook them up, though, since Merida is 16 in the movie and apparently mid-20's on the show.)

      Merida chooses an archery contest after finding out the first-born of each clan can fight for the princess' hand. Being the first-born of her own clan, Merida fights for herself and beats all three boys, winning her freedom. This causes a massive fight with Queen Elinor which escalates into Elinor throwing Merida's prized bow into a fireplace and Merida slashing a family tapestry.

      Merida then runs away and meets a witch who gives her an enchanted cake that will "change her fate". Elinor eats it and becomes a bear.

      SPOILERS OVER

      So yeah, Merida could possibly run away to the EF, meet Snow who is mother-obsessed, and ultimately go back to mend everything with her mother Elinor. Though this would essentially by-pass the whole movie's plot. But then again, Once does love their plot twists :P

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    • It would be nice if Merida and Snow went together to the witch... I mean the Wood Carver, and she will be the one to give Snow the dark fairy dust, along with that disgusting cake for Merida.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      It would be nice if Merida and Snow went together to the witch... I mean the Wood Carver, and she will be the one to give Snow the dark fairy dust, along with that disgusting cake for Merida.

      The witch could be the Dark Fairy in OUaT

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      It would be nice if Merida and Snow went together to the witch... I mean the Wood Carver, and she will be the one to give Snow the dark fairy dust, along with that disgusting cake for Merida.
      The witch could be the Dark Fairy in OUaT

      Or maybe that Blind witch or whomever, as long as it isn't Rumple because that's not in his character, lol, to give cake....unless Belle made it somehow???!

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      It would be nice if Merida and Snow went together to the witch... I mean the Wood Carver, and she will be the one to give Snow the dark fairy dust, along with that disgusting cake for Merida.
      The witch could be the Dark Fairy in OUaT
      Or maybe that Blind witch or whomever, as long as it isn't Rumple because that's not in his character, lol, to give cake....unless Belle made it somehow???!

      I could see that, if it was a cursed cake that turned people into bears

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    • Anubis16 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      It would be nice if Merida and Snow went together to the witch... I mean the Wood Carver, and she will be the one to give Snow the dark fairy dust, along with that disgusting cake for Merida.
      The witch could be the Dark Fairy in OUaT
      Or maybe that Blind witch or whomever, as long as it isn't Rumple because that's not in his character, lol, to give cake....unless Belle made it somehow???!
      I could see that, if it was a cursed cake that turned people into bears


      The part that gets me is that turning to bears is really random. I know in the prequel stuff in Brave the Witch turned Mordu into a bear because he wanted power and strength of ten men, since his brothers got other gifts and parts of the kingdom. So turning into a bear makes since........keeping people into bears seems like the witch really likes bears or is very limited in power lol

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Anubis16 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      It would be nice if Merida and Snow went together to the witch... I mean the Wood Carver, and she will be the one to give Snow the dark fairy dust, along with that disgusting cake for Merida.
      The witch could be the Dark Fairy in OUaT
      Or maybe that Blind witch or whomever, as long as it isn't Rumple because that's not in his character, lol, to give cake....unless Belle made it somehow???!
      I could see that, if it was a cursed cake that turned people into bears

      The part that gets me is that turning to bears is really random. I know in the prequel stuff in Brave the Witch turned Mordu into a bear because he wanted power and strength of ten men, since his brothers got other gifts and parts of the kingdom. So turning into a bear makes since........keeping people into bears seems like the witch really likes bears or is very limited in power lol

      The movie was different from what I expected from the tailer 

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Anubis16 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      It would be nice if Merida and Snow went together to the witch... I mean the Wood Carver, and she will be the one to give Snow the dark fairy dust, along with that disgusting cake for Merida.
      The witch could be the Dark Fairy in OUaT
      Or maybe that Blind witch or whomever, as long as it isn't Rumple because that's not in his character, lol, to give cake....unless Belle made it somehow???!
      I could see that, if it was a cursed cake that turned people into bears

      The part that gets me is that turning to bears is really random. I know in the prequel stuff in Brave the Witch turned Mordu into a bear because he wanted power and strength of ten men, since his brothers got other gifts and parts of the kingdom. So turning into a bear makes since........keeping people into bears seems like the witch really likes bears or is very limited in power lol

      Well, she's a wood carver and all of her carvings are bears. Seems like she's just really in love with bears.

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    • Merida is a werebear ! Mic drop ...

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    • Here's another crazy thoery. What if Merida is Robin Hood's sister. I mean think about in the movie "Brave" Merida has three triplet brothers, Hubert, Hamish, and Harris. What if Robin Hood was one of them. We really don't know anything about Robin Hood's past before he met Maid Marian and we don't know exactly at what point in the OUAT timeline Merida's scene(s) take place. If i'm not mistaken, in later versions of the "Robin Hood" legend/ballad, Robin is presented as a disgraced nobleman who became an outlaw, so that backstory could work for OUAT's  Robin hood by making him not only one of Merida's triplet brothers but also a disgraced prince from Dunbroch.

      Yes I know Sean's British and Amy's Scottish, therefore their accents are different, but remember they're playing fictional characters fom a fictional world so personally I don't think accents should  really matter when playing a fictional character.

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    • Well considering Will Scarlet is Robin Hood's brother in many versions of the stories and that wasn't carried over to Once, anything could happen with siblings and such.

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    • Accents do matter! I mean roughly. Robin is not related to Merida uless third cousing five times removed.

      Aussie Moe with Aussie Colette makes an Aussie Belle. It's pretty close to being okay.

      Scottish sounds nothing like Britsh, so I doubt it.

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    • Boo was time hopping looking for origin of magic. I see this being part of the plot. Origin of magic or the darkness.

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    • Lol Jon Negroni's Pixar theory... as much as I love it, it's just a theory, so I doubt it'll be featured/referenced on OUAT.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Lol Jon Negroni's Pixar theory... as much as I love it, it's just a theory, so I doubt it'll be featured/referenced on OUAT.

      Actually, he published a book about it. And we all know how Once loves literature. :P

      All jokes aside, I hope the Witch has a focus in Once. I hope it's not like Frozen where every single character is dragged on the show (looking at you, Oaken!) but I hope it's not solely Merida. It was kind of sad when they only brought Rapunzel and her silent parents on the show and excluded Gothel and Flynn.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Lol Jon Negroni's Pixar theory... as much as I love it, it's just a theory, so I doubt it'll be featured/referenced on OUAT.
      Actually, he published a book about it. And we all know how Once loves literature. :P

      All jokes aside, I hope the Witch has a focus in Once. I hope it's not like Frozen where every single character is dragged on the show (looking at you, Oaken!) but I hope it's not solely Merida. It was kind of sad when they only brought Rapunzel and her silent parents on the show and excluded Gothel and Flynn.

      Well I think with Rapunzel they were trying to adapt the actual story and not Tangled, and I think what they were trying to do was that her own fear was keeping her in the tower and not an actual person so only she could escape the tower by facing her fear 

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    • Anubis16 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Lol Jon Negroni's Pixar theory... as much as I love it, it's just a theory, so I doubt it'll be featured/referenced on OUAT.
      Actually, he published a book about it. And we all know how Once loves literature. :P

      All jokes aside, I hope the Witch has a focus in Once. I hope it's not like Frozen where every single character is dragged on the show (looking at you, Oaken!) but I hope it's not solely Merida. It was kind of sad when they only brought Rapunzel and her silent parents on the show and excluded Gothel and Flynn.

      Well I think with Rapunzel they were trying to adapt the actual story and not Tangled, and I think what they were trying to do was that her own fear was keeping her in the tower and not an actual person so only she could escape the tower by facing her fear 

      Yeah, Um, Once =/= Disney....lol. (I'm kidding to an extent. Flynn has no basis and with so many vairations, I'm happy they did the more fairytale like one. Sometimes there isn't even a Gothel, which once cleverly twisted to be the deepest fear.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Anubis16 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Lol Jon Negroni's Pixar theory... as much as I love it, it's just a theory, so I doubt it'll be featured/referenced on OUAT.
      Actually, he published a book about it. And we all know how Once loves literature. :P

      All jokes aside, I hope the Witch has a focus in Once. I hope it's not like Frozen where every single character is dragged on the show (looking at you, Oaken!) but I hope it's not solely Merida. It was kind of sad when they only brought Rapunzel and her silent parents on the show and excluded Gothel and Flynn.

      Well I think with Rapunzel they were trying to adapt the actual story and not Tangled, and I think what they were trying to do was that her own fear was keeping her in the tower and not an actual person so only she could escape the tower by facing her fear 
      Yeah, Um, Once =/= Disney....lol. (I'm kidding to an extent. Flynn has no basis and with so many vairations, I'm happy they did the more fairytale like one. Sometimes there isn't even a Gothel, which once cleverly twisted to be the deepest fear.

      Flynn Rider and Gothel are both in the original Rapunzel tale. Flynn is a prince who falls for Rapunzel's voice and is blinded by the witch of the tower (Gothel) with barbed vines from the tower walls. But he regains his sight when Rapunzel sings to him, which was the basis of Rapunzel's healing powers in Tangled.

      Gothel was just merged with Rapunzel as the personification of her fear, while Charming replaces Flynn as Rapunzel's prince (and then Emma shows allusions to both Tangled's Rapunzel and Flynn during Operation Mongoose).

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Anubis16 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Lol Jon Negroni's Pixar theory... as much as I love it, it's just a theory, so I doubt it'll be featured/referenced on OUAT.
      Actually, he published a book about it. And we all know how Once loves literature. :P

      All jokes aside, I hope the Witch has a focus in Once. I hope it's not like Frozen where every single character is dragged on the show (looking at you, Oaken!) but I hope it's not solely Merida. It was kind of sad when they only brought Rapunzel and her silent parents on the show and excluded Gothel and Flynn.

      Well I think with Rapunzel they were trying to adapt the actual story and not Tangled, and I think what they were trying to do was that her own fear was keeping her in the tower and not an actual person so only she could escape the tower by facing her fear 
      Yeah, Um, Once =/= Disney....lol. (I'm kidding to an extent. Flynn has no basis and with so many vairations, I'm happy they did the more fairytale like one. Sometimes there isn't even a Gothel, which once cleverly twisted to be the deepest fear.
      Flynn Rider and Gothel are both in the original Rapunzel tale. Flynn is a prince who falls for Rapunzel's voice and is blinded by the witch of the tower (Gothel) with barbed vines from the tower walls. But he regains his sight when Rapunzel sings to him, which was the basis of Rapunzel's healing powers in Tangled.

      Gothel was just merged with Rapunzel as the personification of her fear, while Charming replaces Flynn as Rapunzel's prince (and then Emma shows allusions to both Tangled's Rapunzel and Flynn during Operation Mongoose).


      No, I'm talking about Flynn Ryder. He represent's the prince, but to expect a Flynn ryder over a prince is a bit biased towards the recent Tangled movie.

      I mean I like the twist they did to keep it relevant, diverse, and not so obvious, lol.

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    • Well, I wasn't exactly expecting a dashing thief to come swooping in and give Rapunzel the Smolder lol But I was half-expecting a prince-ified version of Flynn to help Charming. I certainly didn't expect Charming to be alone in saving Rapunzel. I did like the whole "Gothel being Rapunzel's personified fear" twist, though. But since it was in the middle of the Zelena arc, I assumed Zelena or Rumple would be Gothel.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Anubis16 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Lol Jon Negroni's Pixar theory... as much as I love it, it's just a theory, so I doubt it'll be featured/referenced on OUAT.
      Actually, he published a book about it. And we all know how Once loves literature. :P

      All jokes aside, I hope the Witch has a focus in Once. I hope it's not like Frozen where every single character is dragged on the show (looking at you, Oaken!) but I hope it's not solely Merida. It was kind of sad when they only brought Rapunzel and her silent parents on the show and excluded Gothel and Flynn.

      Well I think with Rapunzel they were trying to adapt the actual story and not Tangled, and I think what they were trying to do was that her own fear was keeping her in the tower and not an actual person so only she could escape the tower by facing her fear 
      Yeah, Um, Once =/= Disney....lol. (I'm kidding to an extent. Flynn has no basis and with so many vairations, I'm happy they did the more fairytale like one. Sometimes there isn't even a Gothel, which once cleverly twisted to be the deepest fear.
      Flynn Rider and Gothel are both in the original Rapunzel tale. Flynn is a prince who falls for Rapunzel's voice and is blinded by the witch of the tower (Gothel) with barbed vines from the tower walls. But he regains his sight when Rapunzel sings to him, which was the basis of Rapunzel's healing powers in Tangled.

      Gothel was just merged with Rapunzel as the personification of her fear, while Charming replaces Flynn as Rapunzel's prince (and then Emma shows allusions to both Tangled's Rapunzel and Flynn during Operation Mongoose).

      You forgot to mention that in some stories of Rapunzel she heal the prince with a tear, and she had twins or a son from the prince.

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    • Getting a little off-topic here :P

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Getting a little off-topic here :P

      Yep, so back to Merida, who's ten times better and actually the topic of this thread.

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    • I'm running out of speculation room beyond Snow's friend who taught her archery. I really don't want her to be Mulan's new love interest, but at the same time I have this sneaking suspicion she's going to be :/

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    • I doubt it unless Disney allows it. I mean Elsa and Anna weren't given much leeway.

      Just wait and maybe the spoiler pics and things will be seen so we get more info on what the character might do.

      What if she was a Knight of the Round Table? I mean she is good with a sword too.

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    • True... That would require some merging between Camelot and Dunbroch, though, which is a much bigger change than giving her a love interest :P

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      True... That would require some merging between Camelot and Dunbroch, though, which is a much bigger change than giving her a love interest :P

      Well, Camelot is in "England" so, not too far off from happening. Dunbroch was a small kingdom in "Scotland". SO, these fictional places can actually be close. I mean Camelot shouldn't exist by itslef without neighbors....hopefully at least a few.

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    • I think the whole Rumple's mother thing was so no one would think Merida when they heard about the Scottish accent.

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    • WinterWoodsGal wrote:
      I think the whole Rumple's mother thing was so no one would think Merida when they heard about the Scottish accent.

      Yeah ! They confirmed it already

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      True... That would require some merging between Camelot and Dunbroch, though, which is a much bigger change than giving her a love interest :P
      Well, Camelot is in "England" so, not too far off from happening. Dunbroch was a small kingdom in "Scotland". SO, these fictional places can actually be close. I mean Camelot shouldn't exist by itslef without neighbors....hopefully at least a few.

      I actually hope DunBorch is a part of Camelot (a neighboring kingdom) just so that Merida can be from Camelot instead of the Enchanted Forest. We already have too many living in the Enchanted Forest xD

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      True... That would require some merging between Camelot and Dunbroch, though, which is a much bigger change than giving her a love interest :P
      Well, Camelot is in "England" so, not too far off from happening. Dunbroch was a small kingdom in "Scotland". SO, these fictional places can actually be close. I mean Camelot shouldn't exist by itslef without neighbors....hopefully at least a few.
      I actually hope DunBorch is a part of Camelot (a neighboring kingdom) just so that Merida can be from Camelot instead of the Enchanted Forest. We already have too many living in the Enchanted Forest xD

      Well, Camelot is a kingdom and hopefully won't be the name of the world lol.

      There aren't too many in EF, because a region of the world can't only be a townful of people. That is incerdulous, unless it was Wonderland (which was called a tiny, pesky world multiple times).

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    • I think that Merida's kingdom could esially be in the EF. For so far I know there are no official maps (only fanmade for as far as I know), so they could add it to the EF.

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    • Lady Regina wrote:
      I think that Merida's kingdom could esially be in the EF. For so far I know there are no official maps (only fanmade for as far as I know), so they could add it to the EF.


      Truth! I wish they would have a map maybe some clouds covering the unknown part, but I guess they don't want to write themselves into a corner...even though it would be nice.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Lady Regina wrote:
      I think that Merida's kingdom could esially be in the EF. For so far I know there are no official maps (only fanmade for as far as I know), so they could add it to the EF.

      Truth! I wish they would have a map maybe some clouds covering the unknown part, but I guess they don't want to write themselves into a corner...even though it would be nice.

      I hope that if more charcter are added in future seasons they need to be in the EF. I don't like the world traveling that much. But of cource, how would they need to get in SB. Al tough Merida isn't nececirilly going to end upp in SB, I think Mirida is in the EF as well and Emma is obviously in the EF.

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    • I think during Comic Con Jennifer Morrison said that Camelot is in the EF, not a separate world.

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    • Camelot is a part of the EF, or at least the realm of Fairy Tales that encompases the EF (aka Mysthaven), Arendelle, and the Southern Isles, Sherwood/Nottingham, and Agrabah.  and I could easily see the Scottish highlands as another area of the realm.

      What does this have to do with Merida, you ask? Good question? I think the main thing is that allows for Merida to be a part of the EF adventures (including becoming Snow's Mentor) without too much stretching of story.

      I also think that A&E may be given a little more leeway to play with Merida. They won't necessarily touch her backstory from the movie, but there are plenty of opportunities to add details not from the Movie.

      One thing I would like to see in flashback would be an adventure with Red, Snow, and Merida.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:

      One thing I would like to see in flashback would be an adventure with Red, Snow, and Merida.

      We all want Meghan back >.<

      Anyway, I hope Camelot is a part of the Fairy Tale Land and let it be like Arendelle and Agrabah which both seem to be very seperate from Misthaven. Maybe behind the Infinite Forest or something, and have DunBorch close to the Inifinite Forest (that is kinda what I imagined).

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    • I wonder why Emma and Rumple are in Camelot in the first episode (ok, in the EF, but Camelot is probably right there).

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    • Now I have not read all the comments so I don't know if someone else has mentioned this. Is there a link between Merida and the bear that is stuffed/frozen in Rumplestilskin's castle? I Would also like to see a link between the bear and Cruella DeVile. I also really liked the theory someone put on about Merida ends up being called Goldilocks and the whole family being turned into bears thats interesting. She could also be linked to Snow with the archery things. Rumples' mom? Not sure if i like that concept.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:

      One thing I would like to see in flashback would be an adventure with Red, Snow, and Merida.

      We all want Meghan back >.<

      Anyway, I hope Camelot is a part of the Fairy Tale Land and let it be like Arendelle and Agrabah which both seem to be very seperate from Misthaven. Maybe behind the Infinite Forest or something, and have DunBorch close to the Inifinite Forest (that is kinda what I imagined).

      That would explain why the Apprentice lived in the Infinite Forest (or along an edge of it.)

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    • The twins are my favorite characters from the movie, but since Merida is a lot older than 16 here, I presume they would also be older... and it would kinda ruin their characters. So I'm not sure if I want them in Once.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:

      One thing I would like to see in flashback would be an adventure with Red, Snow, and Merida.

      We all want Meghan back >.<

      Anyway, I hope Camelot is a part of the Fairy Tale Land and let it be like Arendelle and Agrabah which both seem to be very seperate from Misthaven. Maybe behind the Infinite Forest or something, and have DunBorch close to the Inifinite Forest (that is kinda what I imagined).

      That would explain why the Apprentice lived in the Infinite Forest (or along an edge of it.)

      I would LOVE that to be true, it would be the most logical. I really hate the portal jumping and world treveling (except when the mad hatter does it), it makes everything so complex and unrealistic! It would be way better to have everythig in one world (IMO). 

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    • DarkCruellaTheFirst wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:

      One thing I would like to see in flashback would be an adventure with Red, Snow, and Merida.

      We all want Meghan back >.<

      Anyway, I hope Camelot is a part of the Fairy Tale Land and let it be like Arendelle and Agrabah which both seem to be very seperate from Misthaven. Maybe behind the Infinite Forest or something, and have DunBorch close to the Inifinite Forest (that is kinda what I imagined).

      That would explain why the Apprentice lived in the Infinite Forest (or along an edge of it.)
      I would LOVE that to be true, it would be the most logical. I really hate the portal jumping and world treveling (except when the mad hatter does it), it makes everything so complex and unrealistic! It would be way better to have everythig in one world (IMO). 

      I agree. I mean Oz travels via Tornado...how do tornadoes travel across realms lol

      I wish Oz was in FTL then it would explain how Zelena got to the Enchanted Forest in the first place.

      Wonderland can stay trapped behind a mirror.

      I wish so too because they make all these worlds when they haven't finished filling up the Enchanted Forest region. And we don't even have names for thos kingdoms!

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    • JMo let it slip that Camelot is in fact in the EF, which was implied in Lost Girl. The only thing contradicting it is the Out Of The Past canon novel, where Jefferson uses his hat to go to Camelot.

      I once suggested that maybe he can travel from point A to point B, regardless of if both locations are in the same world, but everyone pretty much disagreed. Considering Camelot was what I was talking about (going from EF to Camelot) and Camelot is now semi-confirmed to be in the EF, then I was right about my theory.

      And yeah, if Merida is the one who taught Snow to survive in the woods, then she had to have met Red before Red became the Red Cross (LOLZ) of Regina's kingdom, providing food to all of the impoverished villages (established in Shadow Of The Queen). Either that, or Merida meets Snow AFTER Snow and Red split up and before they reunite in Shadow of the Queen (which seems to be before 7:15, when Red brings Snow a supply of food).

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    • Yeah, I mean Arendelle had a door and so did the EF, so maybe even different regions of the world have doors in the Hat.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Yeah, I mean Arendelle had a door and so did the EF, so maybe even different regions of the world have doors in the Hat.

      I would imagine so. If I remember correctly, isn't there a door in the hat shown in 1x17 that we all assumed was for Agrabah, which is across the desert from the EF? And there was also a red door, which we all assumed to be the door to Mulan's world, then season 2 established she lives in a far corner of that continent.

      So yeah, I would say that Jefferson's Hat could (using real world locations) jump from the United States to Japan (different countries incredibly far away) or jump from the Eiffel Tower to the Louvre (two landmarks in Paris just a short distance away from each other).

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Yeah, I mean Arendelle had a door and so did the EF, so maybe even different regions of the world have doors in the Hat.
      I would imagine so. If I remember correctly, isn't there a door in the hat shown in 1x17 that we all assumed was for Agrabah, which is across the desert from the EF? And there was also a red door, which we all assumed to be the door to Mulan's world, then season 2 established she lives in a far corner of that continent.

      So yeah, I would say that Jefferson's Hat could (using real world locations) jump from the United States to Japan (different countries incredibly far away) or jump from the Eiffel Tower to the Louvre (two landmarks in Paris just a short distance away from each other).

      Maybe there aren't that many worlds after all. Probably half to the EF and the other half elsewhere.

      Now to find that hat thread, lol.

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    • I love Merida but I hate that now every character in the show looks exactly like they did in the film. Anna, Elsa, Kristoff, Cruella, Ariel and now Merida

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      I love Merida but I hate that now every character in the show looks exactly like they did in the film. Anna, Elsa, Kristoff, Cruella, Ariel and now Merida

      I dislike that too, but we have to wait and see if she changes clothes. If only movie clothes then we know she is untouchable to the writers to change.

      At least Cruella has a wardrobe of coats and outfits.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      I love Merida but I hate that now every character in the show looks exactly like they did in the film. Anna, Elsa, Kristoff, Cruella, Ariel and now Merida

      To be fair, what else could they have done with Ariel and Cruella? Cruella wears furs and has black and white hair. And were they supposed to make Ariel look like Young Ursula with black hair, black skin and sea-green clothing and fin?

      Frozen I'll give to you. It's probably because of the fact that the movie was like 9 months old when they introduced it and I doubt Disney would let them mess with the wardrobes. Though I wish Elsa would've gotten more screen-time in her coronation outfit.

      Merida's outfit is so simple, it'd be more of a hassle to make something different than the outfit from the movie, which is a plain green dress with a belt wrapped around the waist. Although I do agree that they should've at least tried to make something different.

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    • I'll skip my disappointment for the OUAT ≠ Disney part as requested, but I'll just linger to say that, given what A&E did to Frozen, chances are that if Merida sticks long enough for them to develop the character they'll probably do a better job than Pixar did on the half-baked Brave.

      With this said, I don't have much expectations of her other than product placement, but I have a couple of things that, based on the Pixar character, I hope not to see.

      • Her being Rumple's mother. It would be out of character for her to refuse all those suitors only to end up with such a petty man as Malcom. Thankfully it was confirmed not to be the case.
      • Her getting romantically involved with Mulan. Her refusal to commit because she wants to focus on herself and her own freedom is pretty much anything there is about her character. Having her refuse the suitors because she's secretly a lesbian would take away whatever little complexity she had.
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    • Do you guys think that she'll bring her family along with her in flashbacks?

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    • http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Princess_Merida

      Did you know that Merida is inspired by Katniss Everdeen, the protagonist of "The Hunger Games" trilogy ?

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    • GothicNarcissus wrote:
      • Her getting romantically involved with Mulan. Her refusal to commit because she wants to focus on herself and her own freedom is pretty much anything there is about her character. Having her refuse the suitors because she's secretly a lesbian would take away whatever little complexity she had.

      While I agree, with you.... I can see OUaT making Merida a secret lesbian, just to shut up the SleepingWarrior shippers. This is probably the idea Eddy and Adam mentioned to Jamie Chung, last year, when they asked if she would come back for Season 5.

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    • I don't believe Disney would let them make Merida a lesbian.

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    • Brzoskwinia wrote:
      I don't believe Disney would let them make Merida a lesbian.

      THIS ^^^ Also, Once's Merida could actually be Brave's Merida so she can't be touched too much

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    • Ok, I am going to guess that the first episode that we see Merida, she will be in her iconic outfit from Brave.  Which if you consider does not look that different from some of the other outfits they have used on the show.  She blends in better.  I am betting that they have a couple of additional outfits for her, and if her character is in the EF rather than SB, she can have different dresses and still maintain a lot of the classic look.  Besides, the more iconic piece, in my opinion, is the Frizzy Red Hair, and that is not going to change, nor should it.

      Even if Merida does eventually come to Storybrooke, She can go with a nice pair of Jeans and a plaid shirt, but her hair will not, and probably should not, change that much.

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    • Brzoskwinia wrote:
      I don't believe Disney would let them make Merida a lesbian.

      No one would've believed they'd make Mulan into a lesbian, much less the stereotypical "I'm a tomboy and like fighting" lesbian. But they did. And Merida's a tomboy who likes fighting, too.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Brzoskwinia wrote:
      I don't believe Disney would let them make Merida a lesbian.
      No one would've believed they'd make Mulan into a lesbian, much less the stereotypical "I'm a tomboy and like fighting" lesbian. But they did. And Merida's a tomboy who likes fighting, too.

      Mulan per se isn't a Disney character, she's from a legend and they could take that source material and twist it however they want. Conversely, Merida is an original Disney-Pixar character from a recent franchise, which makes the two quite different.

      It's pretty much like Ingrid, based on the original Snow Queen tale, and Elsa, taken directly from the movie: the former allowed for much more freedom than the latter.

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    • GothicNarcissus wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Brzoskwinia wrote:
      I don't believe Disney would let them make Merida a lesbian.
      No one would've believed they'd make Mulan into a lesbian, much less the stereotypical "I'm a tomboy and like fighting" lesbian. But they did. And Merida's a tomboy who likes fighting, too.
      Mulan per se isn't a Disney character, she's from a legend and they could take that source material and twist it however they want. Conversely, Merida is an original Disney-Pixar character from a recent franchise, which makes the two quite different.

      It's pretty much like Ingrid, based on the original Snow Queen tale, and Elsa, taken directly from the movie: the former allowed for much more freedom than the latter.

      True, Ingrid had much more freedom than the fairly stale-in-Storybrooke Elsa. But then again, what they did with Ingrid was literally take Elsa's story and remix it to get a villain at the end of it.

      And true, Mulan is a historical figure, much like Robin and Blackbeard. But the historical Mulan was feminine enjoyed feminine things. The tomboy aspect comes from Disney's version of Mulan, who'd enjoyed military affairs since youth.

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    • Has anyone thought about this? Merida could be the NEW SAVIOR. A bit random, but it would give her a good role, as much a protagonist as Elsa last season.

      Though, I kinda hope it doesn't happen, I want Regina to be the Savior so we get the opposite of season 1, that would be more fun IMO.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Has anyone thought about this? Merida could be the NEW SAVIOR. A bit random, but it would give her a good role, as much a protagonist as Elsa last season.

      Though, I kinda hope it doesn't happen, I want Regina to be the Savior so we get the opposite of season 1, that would be more fun IMO.

      Yeah, pretty much everyone in the cast has implied Regina's the new savior. Which is based in the fact that Henry said as much when he used her blood to undo Isaac's mess.

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    • Regina was the savior twice already. I'm not sure she qualifies as new at this point. I'm kinda hoping that the new savior isn't Regina, Henry or Hook. Anyone else, not too predictable, not too cliche and a fun twist.

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    • Villains don't seem like they fit for the title. But that doesn't mean they will die as heroes.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      GothicNarcissus wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Brzoskwinia wrote:
      I don't believe Disney would let them make Merida a lesbian.
      No one would've believed they'd make Mulan into a lesbian, much less the stereotypical "I'm a tomboy and like fighting" lesbian. But they did. And Merida's a tomboy who likes fighting, too.
      Mulan per se isn't a Disney character, she's from a legend and they could take that source material and twist it however they want. Conversely, Merida is an original Disney-Pixar character from a recent franchise, which makes the two quite different.

      It's pretty much like Ingrid, based on the original Snow Queen tale, and Elsa, taken directly from the movie: the former allowed for much more freedom than the latter.

      True, Ingrid had much more freedom than the fairly stale-in-Storybrooke Elsa. But then again, what they did with Ingrid was literally take Elsa's story and remix it to get a villain at the end of it.

      And true, Mulan is a historical figure, much like Robin and Blackbeard. But the historical Mulan was feminine enjoyed feminine things. The tomboy aspect comes from Disney's version of Mulan, who'd enjoyed military affairs since youth.

      Disney's Mulan enjoyed it since the youth? She didn't even knew anything about this, and the only reason she went on her adventure was not because she wanted, like in the legend, but because it was the only way to save her father. Once's Mulan is not based on Disney's Mulan.

      Besides, I think that it doesn't even matter. If Disney's Mulan movie debuted less than five years ago, Disney probably wouldn't let them to change her into lesbian as well.

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    • Brzoskwinia wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      GothicNarcissus wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Brzoskwinia wrote:
      I don't believe Disney would let them make Merida a lesbian.
      No one would've believed they'd make Mulan into a lesbian, much less the stereotypical "I'm a tomboy and like fighting" lesbian. But they did. And Merida's a tomboy who likes fighting, too.
      Mulan per se isn't a Disney character, she's from a legend and they could take that source material and twist it however they want. Conversely, Merida is an original Disney-Pixar character from a recent franchise, which makes the two quite different.

      It's pretty much like Ingrid, based on the original Snow Queen tale, and Elsa, taken directly from the movie: the former allowed for much more freedom than the latter.

      True, Ingrid had much more freedom than the fairly stale-in-Storybrooke Elsa. But then again, what they did with Ingrid was literally take Elsa's story and remix it to get a villain at the end of it.

      And true, Mulan is a historical figure, much like Robin and Blackbeard. But the historical Mulan was feminine enjoyed feminine things. The tomboy aspect comes from Disney's version of Mulan, who'd enjoyed military affairs since youth.

      Disney's Mulan enjoyed it since the youth? She didn't even knew anything about this, and the only reason she went on her adventure was not because she wanted, like in the legend, but because it was the only way to save her father. Once's Mulan is not based on Disney's Mulan.

      Besides, I think that it doesn't even matter. If Disney's Mulan movie debuted less than five years ago, Disney probably wouldn't let them to change her into lesbian as well.

      Disney's Mulan was confirmed by her creators to have had a love for military affairs since childhood and would often discuss them with her father, but they took it out of the actual movie as it made her sacrifice for her father seem much more selfish because people would assume she'd always wanted to be a soldier and did it for herself. They took it out of the actual movie, but kept it in her character, which can be clearly seen in storybooks and her sequel where she's seen discussing military matters with both Shang and Fa Zhou (her father).

      Also where in the legend did Hua Mulan go because she wanted an adventure? She went for the same reasons in the movie: Her father was too old, and her little brother was too young, so she went to save them both.

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    • ...We suck at staying on topic.

      Back to Merida... I highly doubt she'll be made lesbian or given any other love interest because she's so recent. Mulan has a bunch of different influences, so she was pretty easily changed (though I kind of disagree with the change because it really doesn't fit any version of Mulan).

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      ...We suck at staying on topic.

      Back to Merida... I highly doubt she'll be made lesbian or given any other love interest because she's so recent. Mulan has a bunch of different influences, so she was pretty easily changed (though I kind of disagree with the change because it really doesn't fit any version of Mulan).

      Well going back to Merida, she's 16 in the movie. On Once, her casting call said mid 20's to early 30's. That means, she'll be 24-33. While they can easily choose not to give her a love interest, they could also go the other route and set her up with Young Macguffin (the chubby one voiced by the hot Scottish guy from Grey's Anatomy). His voice actor confirmed that Young Macguffin was going to be the suitor Merida chose before the Brave crew decided it was better to leave her single.

      But while they left teenage Merida single, that doesn't mean she'll never fall in love.

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    • http://www.tvguide.com/news/mega-buzz-once-upon-a-time-merida-emma/

      This article says that: "Merida really fits in. You see her with Snow, you see her with Ruby, you see her with anyone.". So it means that she may connect with lots of people, or they'd just dropped a hint about Merida's connection with Snow and Red in flashbacks? Gosh I was hoping Ruby would appear for at least one episode.

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    • Wait so Ruby's coming back?

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    • HP7hghrOUaTekscrrF10rrmc wrote:
      Wait so Ruby's coming back?

      No. She won't.

      The article was comparing, and not suggesting. Otherwise the Article would be "Meghan Ory retunrs as Red."

      She's not coming back.

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    •     :(
      

      I really don't know any other way to say what I'm thinking other than that

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      HP7hghrOUaTekscrrF10rrmc wrote:
      Wait so Ruby's coming back?
      No. She won't.

      The article was comparing, and not suggesting. Otherwise the Article would be "Meghan Ory retunrs as Red."

      She's not coming back.

      She might.

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    • Let's hope she does.

      Back to Merida...

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    • Well, going back to the TV Guide article, You have to read what they were saying as "From a story perspective, she fits with Snow and Red".  Merida's crossing of paths with the mains is likely to occur during the time of Bandit Snow (which as we know from Season one, and from one of the Graphic Novels had a huge dose of Red).

      As for present day, I'll be curious to see if, somehow, there was a bold spirited young woman with flaming red hair that just somehow managed to hide in the background of Storybrooke since season 2, or if they will have Merida be one of the few denizens of the EF that somehow avoided BOTH Dark Curses (Maybe she was on a trip to visit Oaken's Spa in Arendelle?).

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      HP7hghrOUaTekscrrF10rrmc wrote:
      Wait so Ruby's coming back?
      No. She won't.

      The article was comparing, and not suggesting. Otherwise the Article would be "Meghan Ory retunrs as Red."

      She's not coming back.

      You can't say that she's not coming back. We don't know for sure and anything could happen between now and April 2016.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      HP7hghrOUaTekscrrF10rrmc wrote:
      Wait so Ruby's coming back?
      No. She won't.

      The article was comparing, and not suggesting. Otherwise the Article would be "Meghan Ory retunrs as Red."

      She's not coming back.

      You can't say that she's not coming back. We don't know for sure and anything could happen between now and April 2016.

      Let go of hope. She's not coming back this half at least is what I meant. She's not coming back according to the article because it says nothing about it.

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    • So much negativity. Lol. This show is supposed to be about hope, and yet it strips so many of us of it.

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    • In all fairness, Eskaver, how do you know? You don't know that she's coming back, none of us do for sure. You also don't know that she's not coming back. Take it easy.

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    • Let me rephrase it. The article doesn't support she's coming back. So, as far as we know, she's not coming back. Fair and safe assumption, right? Especially for this half.

      Eion Bailey was annouced a while beforehand when he would return to Once. nothing of the sort for Meghan. With a shorter first half, I doubt she's coming back or at least there is no proff, evidence or support notifying of her return. We have more comfirmation of the return of Mulan than we have of Red.

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    • Rena Charming wrote:
      So much negativity. Lol. This show is supposed to be about hope, and yet it strips so many of us of it.

      This show isn;t about hope. It's about a few can find happiness while all others suffer. (Kidding!)

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    • It's also a fair assumption to presume that she's coming back based on that very article. From what we can tell, no one inquired about Red, a character who has been noticeably absent for an extended period of time, and yet the showrunner threw her name up in the air with nonchalance, of course people are gonna be up in arms about it over the possible return of a fan favorite. And let me tell you this, if it really means nothing, then it further confirms what I have long been saying, that these showrunners are just straight-up BAD at their jobs, don't mess with your fans' minds like that... Seriously, they continually slap us in the face with their teases and set-ups. I should just stop reading their interviews... And it's not that we are the ones stretching things. If you mention Ruby pictured with Merida in an article, people are gonna expect them to co-star. If you say Will is going to have a surprising connection to a season 1 character, people are not gonna think Belle, they're gonna think Cinderella or something (they probably just dropped that altogether tbf). If they confirm Archie is gonna have to watch his back now that Cruella is in town, people will expect Archie to be featured in S4B.

      It's fair to presume Red will return based on that article. Is it safe? Given their history, hell no.

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    • The only Red you'll see is the infamous villain. No, not the Red Queen, but the Red Herring which effects even us here in the real world.

      Much of their stuff is only seen in their heads, poorly executed or simply red herrings. Like, we'll see Rumple's mother....pysche! We tricked you, it was really Merida. That was clever, but frustrating. That's like a colorful lie.

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    • Lol. :P I concede.

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    • Rena Charming wrote:
      Lol. :P I concede.

      No need to, it was fun. Remember Red in season 3...all two seconds of her.

      Back to Merida!

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    • Honestly, nothing is confirmed one way or another about if Meghan will return. If she does, great, a lot of us will be happy. If she doesn't, we'll be disappointed, but we were never promised her return (on screen).

      However, and I think I said this in a different thread, I think the reference to Snow and Red was more to direct our attention to the Red Herring... I mean the time period of Bandit Snow. We can not deny that Red was a large part of that time, and putting Red and Snow in the same sentence is going to naturally direct our minds to that period of time in the EF (at least it did mine).  And from that perspective, I can see Merida fitting in very well, particularly with Snow.

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    • They said that Merida would be the first Pixar character to appear on the show

      Also, she's an original character so the only way to truly understand her is to see BRAVE

      That's why I think Once's Merida is Brave's Merida

      Once could be BRAVE 1/2

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    • Ummmmm, does no one else realize that when you type in Evanna, Merida pops up? And correct me if I'm wrong but didn't it say that Evanna is Rumples mom? So if we put our facts together it's pretty much 100% sure that Merida is in fact Rumples mom. Idk though maybe the writers are trying to make it difficult for us to figure it out.

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    • The writers confirmed that the casting call for Evanna was actually for Merida. The fact that the casting call called her Rumple's mom was a red herring.

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    • They have also, since then, explicitly stated that Merida is NOT Rumple's mother.

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    • Oh. My bad :)

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    • It was to deter suspicion from the accent.

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    • Somebody else probably already posted clip this somewhere, but I'd just like to say that she has Zelena's crazy smile.

      SDCC Season 5 Merida Promo

      SDCC Season 5 Merida Promo

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    • TrumpetofTheSwan wrote:
      Somebody else probably already posted clip this somewhere, but I'd just like to say that she has Zelena's crazy smile.

      Is that the same video as on the S5 page, I don't know because I can't see it in my country.

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    • Um, every one smiles...I don't get that connection. She's not related to zelena and Zelena hardcore grins. This is more like a small smirk.

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    • Just my opinion. It starts out as a small smirk, but at the end it starts to go full blown crazy. That, and how she moves about and looks around just reminds me of Zelena. On the other hand, it could just be the red hair lol : b. Time will tell whether it was intentional or completely in my imagination.

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    • Yes, it seems to be the same clip.

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    • They confirmed she isn't Zelena's daughter :P https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/619996374784831488

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    • Why would she be Zelena's daughter???

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    • Merida and The Dark Swan wrote:
      Why would she be Zelena's daughter???

      Because she has red hair and can shoot arrows some people think she's Robena's daughter.

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    • WinterWoodsGal wrote:
      Merida and The Dark Swan wrote:
      Why would she be Zelena's daughter???
      Because she has red hair and can shoot arrows some people think she's Robena's daughter.

      I don't see the connection, there are lots of people with red hair and also plenty of people who can shoot an arrow. Plus Zelena's baby is yet to be born and Merida is in her mid twenty's. 

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    • Merida and The Dark Swan wrote:

      Plus Zelena's baby is yet to be born and Merida is in her mid twenty's. 

      Some people theorize that Merida learn how to time travel from her mother so her age doesn't matter here

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    • Why is everyone so intent on them time traveling again...?

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Why is everyone so intent on them time traveling again...?

      Because they wanted a reason for Merida to become Zelena's child

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    • But it comes up all the time, even outside of Merida. I don't get why they can't figure out that it was a one-time thing that if it happened again would get repetitive and/or boring or would totally break the show for good.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      But it comes up all the time, even outside of Merida. I don't get why they can't figure out that it was a one-time thing that if it happened again would get repetitive and/or boring or would totally break the show for good.

      I discussed this on another thread as well. Plot devices (like Time travel, A big curse, a big spell, Alternate Universe, and now this parallel universe stuff, and someone new becoming the Dark One) are used typically once and never frequent or in the same capacity.

      If there is a time travel thing again, they probably won't make such a grand adventure of it again and stuff. The show which is planned for 7 seasons....I can't see them revisiting all these plot devices when they could stretch their arms and create new ones.

      Some people think they'll do a Third (Technically fourth) Dark Curse. That is a bit out there because retreading stuff will get boring because alot of it would be the same. they already tarnished the awesomeness of the Dark Curse....

      Merida isn't Zelena's daughter, so stop with that speculation. They confirmed that she's not. Plus,  she's scottish, grown up, and in the EF apparently (as far as we know). Her hair is too red and she really looks nothing like Zelena etc. Just becuase she smirks, has reddish hair, and has a bow...I guess they never seen the movie (and primary source).

      This is almost as bad as the Emma's really Maleficent/ Ingrid's daughter theories.

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    • Yeahhhh the theories that Emma was actually Mal's biological daughter and she and Lily switched places got a little crazy. (I never heard the Ingrid one though!)

      So yeah, it looks like Merida is just going to be thrown in directly from Dunbroch with no direct connections involved. I would say she will be Snow's archery teacher (i guess that depends on age though) and/or will just be heavily involved in Emma going good because of their similar stories with moms (like how Elsa was involved in Emma accepting her powers)

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote: Yeahhhh the theories that Emma was actually Mal's biological daughter and she and Lily switched places got a little crazy. (I never heard the Ingrid one though!)

      So yeah, it looks like Merida is just going to be thrown in directly from Dunbroch with no direct connections involved. I would say she will be Snow's archery teacher (i guess that depends on age though) and/or will just be heavily involved in Emma going good because of their similar stories with moms (like how Elsa was involved in Emma accepting her powers)

      She was most likely frozen in some way, shape or form for the last 30 years, just like every other land was. And we know that she's been shooting since she was very young. She could still have been Snow's archery teacher even if she is biologically younger than her.

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    • They could do a plot similar to 'It's a Wonderful Life." Where Emma might accidently wish none of this ever happened or something. Shrek Forever After or some other stories and films are similar to It's a Wonderful Life movie.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      They could do a plot similar to 'It's a Wonderful Life." Where Emma might accidently wish none of this ever happened or something. Shrek Forever After or some other stories and films are similar to It's a Wonderful Life movie.

      Wish on what? It's not like she has a genie.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Yeahhhh the theories that Emma was actually Mal's biological daughter and she and Lily switched places got a little crazy. (I never heard the Ingrid one though!)

      So yeah, it looks like Merida is just going to be thrown in directly from Dunbroch with no direct connections involved. I would say she will be Snow's archery teacher (i guess that depends on age though) and/or will just be heavily involved in Emma going good because of their similar stories with moms (like how Elsa was involved in Emma accepting her powers)

      Did Snow run away as an adult or as a kid when she was accused? 

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    • NickyHelp wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Yeahhhh the theories that Emma was actually Mal's biological daughter and she and Lily switched places got a little crazy. (I never heard the Ingrid one though!)

      So yeah, it looks like Merida is just going to be thrown in directly from Dunbroch with no direct connections involved. I would say she will be Snow's archery teacher (i guess that depends on age though) and/or will just be heavily involved in Emma going good because of their similar stories with moms (like how Elsa was involved in Emma accepting her powers)

      Did Snow run away as an adult or as a kid when she was accused? 

      They showed when she ran away, lol. When she was facing the Huntsman, after her father died. Based on what the show said, she was in her 20s, but i think she was a bit younger than that.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:
      DatNuttyKid wrote:
      Yeahhhh the theories that Emma was actually Mal's biological daughter and she and Lily switched places got a little crazy. (I never heard the Ingrid one though!)

      So yeah, it looks like Merida is just going to be thrown in directly from Dunbroch with no direct connections involved. I would say she will be Snow's archery teacher (i guess that depends on age though) and/or will just be heavily involved in Emma going good because of their similar stories with moms (like how Elsa was involved in Emma accepting her powers)

      Did Snow run away as an adult or as a kid when she was accused? 
      They showed when she ran away, lol. When she was facing the Huntsman, after her father died. Based on what the show said, she was in her 20s, but i think she was a bit younger than that.

      So I guess that Merida is probably about Snow's Age.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      NickyHelp wrote:
      They could do a plot similar to 'It's a Wonderful Life." Where Emma might accidently wish none of this ever happened or something. Shrek Forever After or some other stories and films are similar to It's a Wonderful Life movie.
      Wish on what? It's not like she has a genie.

      It doesn't always have to be a genie or a wishing star wish for that. It can be any magical object which can be made up by the creators or where people like Rumple came to posses.

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    • HP7hghrOUaTekscrrF10rrmc wrote:

      DatNuttyKid wrote: Yeahhhh the theories that Emma was actually Mal's biological daughter and she and Lily switched places got a little crazy. (I never heard the Ingrid one though!)

      So yeah, it looks like Merida is just going to be thrown in directly from Dunbroch with no direct connections involved. I would say she will be Snow's archery teacher (i guess that depends on age though) and/or will just be heavily involved in Emma going good because of their similar stories with moms (like how Elsa was involved in Emma accepting her powers)

      She was most likely frozen in some way, shape or form for the last 30 years, just like every other land was. And we know that she's been shooting since she was very young. She could still have been Snow's archery teacher even if she is biologically younger than her.

      You don't have be older to teach someone new techniques. People can be the same age to teach one and another. You what they say: "No matter how old you are, You never stop learning." So Merida may obviously be Snow's age by teaching her how to do archery and swordfighting.

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    • NickyHelp wrote:

      HP7hghrOUaTekscrrF10rrmc wrote:

      DatNuttyKid wrote: Yeahhhh the theories that Emma was actually Mal's biological daughter and she and Lily switched places got a little crazy. (I never heard the Ingrid one though!)

      So yeah, it looks like Merida is just going to be thrown in directly from Dunbroch with no direct connections involved. I would say she will be Snow's archery teacher (i guess that depends on age though) and/or will just be heavily involved in Emma going good because of their similar stories with moms (like how Elsa was involved in Emma accepting her powers)

      She was most likely frozen in some way, shape or form for the last 30 years, just like every other land was. And we know that she's been shooting since she was very young. She could still have been Snow's archery teacher even if she is biologically younger than her.

      You don't have be older to teach someone new techniques. People can be the same age to teach one and another. You what they say: "No matter how old you are, You never stop learning." So Merida may obviously be Snow's age by teaching her how to do archery and swordfighting.

      Exactly what I said. Or meant, anyway...

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    • HP7hghrOUaTekscrrF10rrmc wrote:

      NickyHelp wrote:

      HP7hghrOUaTekscrrF10rrmc wrote:

      DatNuttyKid wrote: Yeahhhh the theories that Emma was actually Mal's biological daughter and she and Lily switched places got a little crazy. (I never heard the Ingrid one though!)

      So yeah, it looks like Merida is just going to be thrown in directly from Dunbroch with no direct connections involved. I would say she will be Snow's archery teacher (i guess that depends on age though) and/or will just be heavily involved in Emma going good because of their similar stories with moms (like how Elsa was involved in Emma accepting her powers)

      She was most likely frozen in some way, shape or form for the last 30 years, just like every other land was. And we know that she's been shooting since she was very young. She could still have been Snow's archery teacher even if she is biologically younger than her.
      You don't have be older to teach someone new techniques. People can be the same age to teach one and another. You what they say: "No matter how old you are, You never stop learning." So Merida may obviously be Snow's age by teaching her how to do archery and swordfighting.
      Exactly what I said. Or meant, anyway...

      I didn't follow what you previously wrote. It didn't sound like it to me, but I gotcha now.

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    • I do have the feeling Merida will be Mulan's love interest. The writers need a good story to compel the actress playing Mulan to return. They made the choice to make Mulan gay so they could very easily do the same to Merida. I actually wouldn't mind it because it does make sense. It was a interesting choice to make the character Mulan gay and I think making Merida her love interest works. 

      I think there is a link between Merida and Robin Hood and no doubt a link between him and Camelot and the fact Mulan was a member of Robin Hoods Merry Men i can see how they Mulan and Merida could be introduced.

      Merida being Snows mentor is also a interesting link as we do know she is connected to Snow. They mention in interviews that Merida is connected to Snow and Red but this could be in reference to the fact Red taught snow how to track and now Merida is the one to have taught Snow archery. And a note about how Red to me seems a year younger or so compared to Snow and she teaches someone older then she how to track, so Merida being younger then Snow is entirely reasonable. 

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    • Haha, that's such a lie. Jjust offer more money and she could come back. JK! XD

      I agreee with your other assessments. I just think Merida won't be with Mulan because that's just random. I would think snobby princess was her type.

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    • I wish it was that simple otherwise We would have Ruby back lol

      Well I think Merida will have a lot of traits that Mulan will be able to relate too, Merida is a princess who despite the stereotype of the typical princess craved adventure, wanted to fight and wanted to show the people around her that she was so much more then what people expected. These are things Mulan has done. Yes she showed love for Aurora, who as you mentioned at times was spoilt but even she showed a certain level of bravery and they shared an adventure which we still haven't seen which was to return Prince Philips soul. This adventure could very well be the moment when Mulans feelings of love came about.

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    • I love Aurora and I think for Mulan is sort of the opposite attracts thing.

      Plus, we don't know what or who Once's Merida is (which 99% will be exactly like Brave).

      Meghan is apparently is a different category of issues.

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    • I also love Aurora and she is my second favourite princess of the show and I dont think the two characters are that dissimilar. They both just have different motivations. 

      Well the character from Brave was believed to be a gay character too, there is a lot of controversy saying she is. 

      I do like the idea of the two characters falling for each other. I am not normally keen on shows who simply add a gay character for the sake of adding a gay character when the character never shows gay tendancies. Clair from Heroes as a prime example and Professor Dumpledore from Harry Potter. But I do appreciate Mulan being gay as it was implied throughout her appearances so I would just love for her to have a real relationship on the show and Merida gives us the best chance of that happening. 

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    • ^Dumbledore is gay? Yikes I need to reread those books, I havent touched them in 6 years. Anyways back on topic, I think it would be more true to Brave to have Merida not worrying about relationships, just wanting to live her life in the moment.

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    • Why do people think that if they aren't interested in a relationship then they are gay. Elsa and Merida both simply never focused on such matters.

      Merida is more of the lone adventurer than a lesbian (because there is really no susbtantial proof other than tomboyish qualities).

      Yeah, Dumbeldore has been gay for a while now. Clearly had a thing for Harry...I'm kidding!

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    • WinterWoodsGal wrote: ^Dumbledore is gay? Yikes I need to reread those books, I haven't touched them in 6 years.

      First of all, that is nothing to say "yikes", about, and second: This was never stated or implied in the books, it's just something that the author said.

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    • Nightlily wrote:

      WinterWoodsGal wrote: ^Dumbledore is gay? Yikes I need to reread those books, I haven't touched them in 6 years.

      First of all, that is nothing to say "yikes", about, and second: This was never stated or implied in the books, it's just something that the author said.

      i don't see why it's a big deal that she said yikes. First off, some people do have different opinions, and secondly she may not have been referring to Dumbledore's sexuality and rather the fact that she (supposedly) forgot/missed that part.

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    • I am not saying Merida in Brave was gay or anything. I just think writing her as gay in once would make sense. Especially if they give a compeling backstory to back that up and she is not just randomly gay. Like how Dumbledore was randomly called gay by the aurthor even tho as you mentioned above it was never mentioned in the book or in the films. :)

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    • Nightlily wrote:

      WinterWoodsGal wrote: ^Dumbledore is gay? Yikes I need to reread those books, I haven't touched them in 6 years.

      First of all, that is nothing to say "yikes", about, and second: This was never stated or implied in the books, it's just something that the author said.

      No no no, you read me wrong. I said Yikes because I thought I was forgetting information from the books, and I love them. I am 100% agreeing with gay marriage and am not against anyone who is gay.

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    • Actually ignore what I said, Mulan (in Disney and I guess in legend) was with a man, so I guess I'm talking rubbish. I think they'll keep it unknown like they did for Elsa.

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    • WinterWoodsGal wrote: No no no, you read me wrong. I said Yikes because I thought I was forgetting information from the books, and I love them. I am 100% agreeing with gay marriage and am not against anyone who is gay.

      That's good to hear :-) I'm sorry that I misunderstood you. My bad :-)

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    • See that is why I think once will do their little twists with the character like they did with Mulan. Everyone assumed Mulan would be straight due to the fact that Disney's Mulan married a man, simples. But it was a really nice suprise when we discover she is into Aurora. 

      Merida is a pretty unique character because we only see a small portion of her life through her movie. As this is the only version of the character. So the writers can do what they want with her as long as it matches what little we see of it through Brave. Yes the characters from Frozen were also unique in the fact these were the only version of the characters but unlike Brave we see almost all the characters lives play out and we see they have their stories completed by the films end. The writers had to keep these characters as close to the film version as these were more defined characters where as with Merida there is more potential for change, IMO that is.

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    • WinterWoodsGal wrote:
      Nightlily wrote:

      WinterWoodsGal wrote: ^Dumbledore is gay? Yikes I need to reread those books, I haven't touched them in 6 years.

      First of all, that is nothing to say "yikes", about, and second: This was never stated or implied in the books, it's just something that the author said.
      No no no, you read me wrong. I said Yikes because I thought I was forgetting information from the books, and I love them. I am 100% agreeing with gay marriage and am not against anyone who is gay.

      Actually, Dumbledore's love for the dark wizard Grindelwald is very subtly hinted at but it's there in the 7th book if one's looking for it. In fact, that's originally what I thought when I read about how close they were, and had long since forgotten that assumption until now.

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    • To me it was very very very subtly hinted at in the 7th book. But even then I don't believe it. They seemed to me like any other male best friends, I really didn't think it was anything romantic AT ALL!! 

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    • Well that would be a harsh break up for Dumbledore, I read on a Harry Potter wiki that Dumbledore had feelings for him, which also made it very dificult to go against him, because Grindewald wanted to take over the mugle world with him. Even though this was never implied in the books.

      Back on topic. I don't think it's neccesary to make Merida gay, Merida didn't want to mary because she wanted to choose herself, she wanted to choose who she was with and when she wanted to marry. If you don't have any love intrest yet, especially when you're still young, doesn't mean you're gay.

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    • I had a nice Merida & Cruella theory before Cruella died.

      In the Enchanted Forest, just after Cruella has arrived there, she begins to look for someone to track down and force Isaac to give her her killing back. Whilst in the woods she finds Merida, and sees her skill with a bow and arrow, and her tracking skills whilst trying to find the bear Mor'du. (Forgive me as I haven't seen Brave, but If what I'm saying about Merida is wrong, then I'm sure someone can tweak my ex-theory to suit the story).

      Anyways, Cruella follows Merida as she continues to track the bear, however as Merida finds it she realises it is too strong for her, and the bear begins to overpower her. Cruella quickly commands the bear to stop, and saves Merida's life. Cruella then makes a deal with Merida that in exchange for her life, Merida will track down the author for her, and kill him if necassary. Merida begrudgingly agrees, and begins to track down Isaac.

      Thinking that she is tracking Isaac, Merida finds a human trail and follows it to find Snow White. Snow White having been let go by the Huntsman is crying by herself, as she has nowhere to go and no idea how to survive in the wild. Taking pity on her Merida teaches her how to hunt, survive in the wild and use a bow and arrow. In return, Snow White talks to Merida and Merida reveals she has to track down and kill someone. Snow White convinces Merida not to kill, as violence is never the answer.

      Cruella, realising that the Merida has given up on trying to kill the Author, sends Mor'du to kill her. However Snow White and Merida defeat Mor'du together. Knowning that Cruella is near, and that would put Snow in danger, Merida tells her to run away and seek shelter. Snow does run away, and she flees to Ruby's village and then the events of 'Red Handed' take place.

      Cruella finally confronts Merida, and to try and scare Merida into complying with her, Cruella attempts to set her dogs on Merida, however Merida escapes.

      The final scene of the episode would be set many years later sort of like the final scenes of the Manhattan and The Crocodile backstories. Cruella would track down Merida again, but this time she would introduce her to her friends, Maleficent and Ursula. Ursula would hold Merida and force her to watch as Maleficent transforms her entire family into bears.

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    • Merida and The Dark Swan wrote:
      Well that would be a harsh break up for Dumbledore, I read on a Harry Potter wiki that Dumbledore had feelings for him, which also made it very dificult to go against him, because Grindewald wanted to take over the mugle world with him. Even though this was never implied in the books.

      Back on topic. I don't think it's neccesary to make Merida gay, Merida didn't want to mary because she wanted to choose herself, she wanted to choose who she was with and when she wanted to marry. If you don't have any love intrest yet, especially when you're still young, doesn't mean you're gay.

      I agree. Merida, in the movie, was faced with an arranged marriage.  She wanted none of that, and she was not even ready to settle into any marriage at the time.  If anything, she strikes me like David back in Season one, who fought against the arranged Marriage to Abigail. And I think Snow and Regina were both against arranged marriages as well.  That whole concept fits right in with the show. Being agianst an arranged marriage does not make one gay, it makes one independent.

      They don't need to "ship" her with anyone romantically.  She can remain the headstrong, somewhat tomboyish, independent person that we saw in the movie, and develop those qualities.

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    • I also totally don't see her with Mulan, she isn't Mulans type at all imo. If they make Merida gay than I would get the feeling they made her gay just to have another gay character. Hiwever it might be interesting if they start dating but end up deciding they don't love each other.

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    • Well so much for Merida teaching Snow archery... -.- Adam confirmed we meet Merida through EMMA, with Merida being a huge part of EMMA's story... What the actual %#$* tbh?

      And Merida was never against marriage. At least, the movie never made that clear. What the movie did make clear was that she didn't want to be married at 16 nor did she want to be a house-bound homemaker. But if she's now in her mid-20's, I'm sure that if she finds another adventurous character, she'd be fine. Male or female.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Well so much for Merida teaching Snow archery... -.- Adam confirmed we meet Merida through EMMA, with Merida being a huge part of EMMA's story... What the actual %#$* tbh?

      And Merida was never against marriage. At least, the movie never made that clear. What the movie did make clear was that she didn't want to be married at 16 nor did she want to be a house-bound homemaker. But if she's now in her mid-20's, I'm sure that if she finds another adventurous character, she'd be fine. Male or female.

      What do you mean by "So Much for Merida teaching Snow Archery?"

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    • Yeah I don't get the connection between what Adam said and Merida not being the one to teach Snow archery. He says WE the views are introduced to Merida through Emma, that could simply mean that she is a huge part of Emmas troubles in Camalot. The comment does not say Merida will not have any past relationship with any character in the enchanted forest before the 1st dark curse was cast. Incuding being the person who teaches Snow archery. Maybe I misunderstood the comment but thats how I interpreted it. 

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    • That's kind of the feeling I got as well, that Merida would be introduced as part of Emma's storyline, but that does not limit her to JUST Emma.

      In fact, it might be kinda interesting if part of the reason that Merida agrees to help Emma is that she finds out that Emma is Snow's daughter.

      Merida being 16 in the movie, and around 21-22 now would be about right. She would have suffered the same stuck in time for 28 years fate that everyone else did. so her age would be close to right on, and having a younger Merida teach Snow archery would not be out of the question, particularly as good as Merida is.

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    • I just recently watched Brave, in order to have a better understanding of the show's adaptation. I have the feeling that this case will be similar to the Frozen one, meaning the events of the movie won't be altered at all, just merged into the OUaT universe with +flashbacks and +sequel to the movie.

      Now, I would totally see the Mor'du legend adapted into the Dark One story. A prince that seeked the strength of 10 men in order to conquer the lands, and sought a magical way of doing so, but who became a monster as a price. Besides, Mor'du is a very badass name that could fit beautifuly carved into the Dark One's dagger, wouldn't it?

      On the other hand, where is Merida's Kingdom? I would like to assume it is either within the Enchanted Forest, or adjacent to it, as a Fairy Tale Land realm. Perhaps it's in Camelot, which should totally be another FTL realm as EF, Agrabah and Arendelle?

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      I just recently watched Brave, in order to have a better understanding of the show's adaptation. I have the feeling that this case will be similar to the Frozen one, meaning the events of the movie won't be altered at all, just merged into the OUaT universe with +flashbacks and +sequel to the movie.

      Now, I would totally see the Mor'du legend adapted into the Dark One story. A prince that seeked the strength of 10 men in order to conquer the lands, and sought a magical way of doing so, but who became a monster as a price. Besides, Mor'du is a very badass name that could fit beautifuly carved into the Dark One's dagger, wouldn't it?

      On the other hand, where is Merida's Kingdom? I would like to assume it is either within the Enchanted Forest, or adjacent to it, as a Fairy Tale Land realm. Perhaps it's in Camelot, which should totally be another FTL realm as EF, Agrabah and Arendelle?

      Well, if Camelot is outside of time, maybe. I would think he could make a second Dark One or so before Zoso (who then escaped timeless Camelot to the EF). Merida's kingdom could be in Camelot's world. Camelot isn't a country, region, or world in Athurian legends. The kingdom is like a Mystical England (Yay! More magical Englands). I would think Merida's kingdom would be amongst Camelot, but on the Scottish side of the region.  Camelot and its world can be a total different place, but it'll be cool if it is also a construct of the Dark Curse (before it was dark). Sadly, Ef kingdoms will still remain nameless and numberless.

      I feel like Brave isn't close to Frozen in rigidity. I'm thinking she'll be inbetween an Anna and an Ariel, in terms of story and involvement.

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    • I don't think Camelot is a world outside of time... I think that's the result of something the writers said being misunderstood xD

      As for the Anna-Ariel thing, I totally agree.

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      I don't think Camelot is a world outside of time... I think that's the result of something the writers said being misunderstood xD

      As for the Anna-Ariel thing, I totally agree.

      That's the only way Mor'du can be the dark One. Would go with the theme: Rumple: crocodile, Emma: swan, Zoso: ???, Mor'du (if he was): Bear

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      I don't think Camelot is a world outside of time... I think that's the result of something the writers said being misunderstood xD

      As for the Anna-Ariel thing, I totally agree.

      What they said was that Camelot is parallel to the timeline of the show. What I took that to mean is that Camelot exists during the entire timeframe of the show. From as far back as Zoso's reign as the Dark One (the point farthest back that we've seen) to as recent as Emma becoming the Dark One.

      As for Merida, I think she's going to be more like Anna rather than Elsa. Elsa wasn't changed too much because there wasn't enough of her character explored in the movie other than fear and love. But Anna was fleshed out in both the movie and show, just like Merida was in her own movie. So I think she'll be fully fleshed out in the show. But they're probably going to make Brave part of the show's canon like they did with Frozen.

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    • Exactly, what they said about Camelot didn't seem to hint at any timey-wimey wibbly-wobbly thing, just that it has a lot of history that runs concurrently with the one's we've been seeing so far.

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      Exactly, what they said about Camelot didn't seem to hint at any timey-wimey wibbly-wobbly thing, just that it has a lot of history that runs concurrently with the one's we've been seeing so far.

      Precisely.

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    • Rwo

      Adam said in latest EW article: "we are sticking to the canon of the movie Brave in terms of who her parents are and where she came from". I guess it means we can mention that Merida is from DunBroch, can't we?

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    • Rwo wrote:
      Adam said in latest EW article: "we are sticking to the canon of the movie Brave in terms of who her parents are and where she came from". I guess it means we can mention that Merida is from DunBroch, can't we?

      Oh, I guess that's ok then, maybe the events of the movie won't ALL happen on the show, isn't this show supposed to be about the actual stories and not the Disney movies, I am a Disney fan but Brave didn't even come from a fairy tale 

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    • Rwo

      The show has always been about the Disney stories. We got seven dwarfs named Grumpy, Doc, Sleepy, Bashful, Sneezy, Dopey and Happy since the very first episode. Get over that useless debate.

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    • With all due respect, the show is NOT about the Disney stories. However, the writers acknowledge the part that Disney has played in popularizing some of the fairy tales. Names of the dwarfs as an example.  Disney has had an impact on the stories that it has taken on.

      But seriousely, is the Snow White story the Disney version? Not even close. It's not the Grimm Brothers version, either. It is Once's take on the fairy tale. Same with sleeping beauty, beauty and the beast, Peter Pan, Robin Hood, the Wizard of Oz, and all the other fairy tales.  They take some of the apsects added by Disney (particularly the easily recognizable ones), some of the aspects of the original tale, and then provide their own spin. (Snow White as the Bandit, Peter Pan as a Villian, etc)

      However, none of this has anything to do with Merida.  In this case, Merida (and Brave) were not based on any existing fairy tale, but is instead a brand new fairy tale. So, all that you have to go on is the Pixar story.  That does not make it any less of a fairy tale. It has all the qualities of the classic fairy tales, and I am willing to allow the story of Brave be included right next to the Snow Queen, Snow White, Cinderella, or Peter Pan.

      I think the question is, how much leeway will A & E have to play with Merida and her family.  And I am going to hope that they can have more fun with her than they had with Elsa and Anna.  Making her Snow's mentor in archery would be a great start.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      With all due respect, the show is NOT about the Disney stories. However, the writers acknowledge the part that Disney has played in popularizing some of the fairy tales. Names of the dwarfs as an example.  Disney has had an impact on the stories that it has taken on.

      But seriousely, is the Snow White story the Disney version? Not even close. It's not the Grimm Brothers version, either. It is Once's take on the fairy tale. Same with sleeping beauty, beauty and the beast, Peter Pan, Robin Hood, the Wizard of Oz, and all the other fairy tales.  They take some of the apsects added by Disney (particularly the easily recognizable ones), some of the aspects of the original tale, and then provide their own spin. (Snow White as the Bandit, Peter Pan as a Villian, etc)

      However, none of this has anything to do with Merida.  In this case, Merida (and Brave) were not based on any existing fairy tale, but is instead a brand new fairy tale. So, all that you have to go on is the Pixar story.  That does not make it any less of a fairy tale. It has all the qualities of the classic fairy tales, and I am willing to allow the story of Brave be included right next to the Snow Queen, Snow White, Cinderella, or Peter Pan.

      I think the question is, how much leeway will A & E have to play with Merida and her family.  And I am going to hope that they can have more fun with her than they had with Elsa and Anna.  Making her Snow's mentor in archery would be a great start.

      But then how come they did the whole Frozen story, Frozen was based off of the Snow Queen, also I feel like for a story to be on Once it should at least come from something that is part of the literary world (Dalmations was at least a book first) but Brave is strictly a movie, although it would be neat if Merida was nicknamed Rose Red and she meet Snow and they met a prince who Merida transformed into a bear like in the orginal tale of Snow White and Rose Red

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    • Ok, so Frozen was 100% canon in the Once-verse (down to Elsa referencing Olaf, and Anna referencing "Love Is An Open Door" of all things), but so far, only DunBroch, Queen Elinor and King Fergus are canon from Brave?

      That gives me much more hope for Merida's story than Elsa and Anna's (though Anna was a true delight, as was Ingrid). And the fact that her dress is both a combination of the plain green gown and her ripped, blue betrothal dress is definitely a welcome step in the right direction.

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    • I don't think DunBroch is canon... xD

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      I don't think DunBroch is canon... xD

      Well, the above user said A&E said they're sticking to who her parents are and where she came from. Wouldn't that mean she is from DunBroch?

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    • Yeah, but they might still take some liberties as to where that is xD If they don't even mention it, DunBroch won't be canon. I mean, Arendelle is the same Arendelle as in the movie... Although in the movie it was supposed to be in our world (northern regions, not sure where), but in the show it's a FTL realm. For all we know, Merida's not from Scotland. That's what I meant xD

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      Yeah, but they might still take some liberties as to where that is xD If they don't even mention it, DunBroch won't be canon. I mean, Arendelle is the same Arendelle as in the movie... Although in the movie it was supposed to be in our world (northern regions, not sure where), but in the show it's a FTL realm. For all we know, Merida's not from Scotland. That's what I meant xD

      Oh, she's definitely not from our world, unless somehow we're traveling back in time again to 900AD (which... isn't it smack dab in the Middle Ages? AKA the Arthurian era?)

      What I meant was her kingdom could be called DunBroch without her being from Scotland. Like how Arendelle is still Arendelle without being Norway.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Killian Jones wrote:
      Yeah, but they might still take some liberties as to where that is xD If they don't even mention it, DunBroch won't be canon. I mean, Arendelle is the same Arendelle as in the movie... Although in the movie it was supposed to be in our world (northern regions, not sure where), but in the show it's a FTL realm. For all we know, Merida's not from Scotland. That's what I meant xD

      Oh, she's definitely not from our world, unless somehow we're traveling back in time again to 900AD (which... isn't it smack dab in the Middle Ages? AKA the Arthurian era?)

      What I meant was her kingdom could be called DunBroch without her being from Scotland. Like how Arendelle is still Arendelle without being Norway.

      Well, then you'd be quit nitpicky as to what "we are sticking to the canon of the movie Brave in terms of who her parents are and where she came from" means xD But yeah, it could be called DunBroch, or it could not even be brought up with a name.

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    • Rwo

      DunBroch couldn't be a part of our world. Among other inaccurate things, the bears aren't black in Europe. It'd be in a fictitious Scotland-inspired magical realm anyway.

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    • I think that by "where she came from" they mean general background. As in, she is a princess, her parents are a king and a queen, and she isn't looking for a love (or set up) interest. I don't think they mean it literally. They never mean anything literally.

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    • Wisps are Coming. http://i.imgur.com/zUcPMtX.jpg

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    • What kind of troll? >///< I got excited lol

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    • Lol, Merlin is the biggest wisp of all. Don't they lead you to your fate and Merlin was leading fates too. So, I guess that counts for something!

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    • So the EW article from two days ago straight up quotes Adam as saying that we meet Merida "some time after the events of the movie". So just like Frozen, Brave is also 100% canon in the world of Once Upon A Time until proven otherwise. -.- Not too happy about that, but at least Brave is more Once-ish than Frozen (since... y'know... Anna referenced "Love Is An Open Door" on Once, meaning that all the singing was canon, too... -_-)

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      So the EW article from two days ago straight up quotes Adam as saying that we meet Merida "some time after the events of the movie". So just like Frozen, Brave is also 100% canon in the world of Once Upon A Time until proven otherwise. -.- Not too happy about that, but at least Brave is more Once-ish than Frozen (since... y'know... Anna referenced "Love Is An Open Door" on Once, meaning that all the singing was canon, too... -_-)

      I don't think they did an actual musical number they may have just been singing to the music playing at the ball or something like that 

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    • Anubis16 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      So the EW article from two days ago straight up quotes Adam as saying that we meet Merida "some time after the events of the movie". So just like Frozen, Brave is also 100% canon in the world of Once Upon A Time until proven otherwise. -.- Not too happy about that, but at least Brave is more Once-ish than Frozen (since... y'know... Anna referenced "Love Is An Open Door" on Once, meaning that all the singing was canon, too... -_-)
      I don't think they did an actual musical number they may have just been singing to the music playing at the ball or something like that 

      He was pretty embarrassed at that comment and his brothers ridiculed him for it. I think it was the actual musical number lol

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      Againnn, I called it.

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    • Callie Kent wrote:

      Yes I know Sean's British and Amy's Scottish, therefore their accents are different, but remember they're playing fictional characters fom a fictional world so personally I don't think accents should  really matter when playing a fictional character.

      Sean's English and Amy's Scottish but they're both still British so not beyond realm of possibility

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