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    19:32, July 18, 2017

    Is it safe to assume that the Sorcerer is the mysterious daddy of Maleficent's child ?

    First, Mal is immortal (confirmed by Adam & Eddy). And before everything happened, there was Merlin. And now, they should find him to fight the darkness. That means the Sorcerer is possbily immortal too

    Second, he is the most powerful wizard in the world (even stronger than the Dark Ones). I think he can turn into a dragon too

    Third, I find it strange when the Apprentice met young Lily on the bus. Of course, he could felt sorry for her so he told her everything. But who knows ? Maybe Merlin have his Apprentice help his daughter understand things

    Fourth, almost everything about the Sorcerer and the Apprentice somehow connects to stars, from the hat to the Star Publishing ... That's why the star birthmark on Lily's wrist somewhat got me thinking ...

    Finally, when they introduce some "mysterious missing characters", they will usually be the same person. For example, Henry's dad and Gold's son, Emma's friend and Maleficent's child, ... Now, they have to find "the Sorcerer" and "Lily's dad". Hmmm ....

    Therofore, there's a high chance that Merlin is actually Liliy's father 

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    • I think they want us to think that. I feel it will turn out to be someone else.

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    • I actually don't want it to be Merlin atm (because I can only imagine a crazy old wizard) but it certainly does hint at him. I've been saying myself since the first episode Lily appeared in that she had a connection to the Sorcerer. Hopefully the Sorcerer does have a tanned skin to explain hy Lily looks nothing like Maleficent.

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    • Or maybe Lily's dad is Arthur Pendragon ...

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    • Before the 414 I thoke King Stefan was the Lily's father but now I prefer your theory.

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    • Lilith Page wrote: First, Mal is immortal (confirmed by Adam & Eddy).

      When did Eddy and Adam "confirm", that Maleficent is immortal?

      The only reason she is not dead, is because of Regina's enchantment on the cave. Maleficent told Lily, that she will turn to dust if she leaves Storybrooke. Maleficent might be immune to natural death, but she can probably be killed.... similar to the Elves of Middle Earth.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Lilith Page wrote: First, Mal is immortal (confirmed by Adam & Eddy).

      When did Eddy and Adam "confirm", that Maleficent is immortal?

      The only reason she is not dead, is because of Regina's enchantment on the cave. Maleficent told Lily, that she will turn to dust if she leaves Storybrooke. Maleficent might be immune to natural death, but she can probably be killed.... similar to the Elves of Middle Earth.

      Kristen Bauer Van Straten has said in interviews that Mal is immortal but I'm not sure if Adam and Eddy have confirmed it.

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    • While Merlin is the main contender for Lily's father, I still have one question.... why would he let Issac and the Charmings corrupt his daughter?

      PS: I prefer the "Lily's father is Arthur Pendragon" theory better.... she would still have a connection to Merlin.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      While Merlin is the main contender for Lily's father, I still have one question.... why would he let Issac and the Charmings corrupt his daughter?

      PS: I prefer the "Lily's father is Arthur Pendragon" theory better.... she would still have a connection to Merlin.

      Maybe because he sees the bigger picture?

      Consider that the Sorcerer apparently sees the future, and sees it clearly (unlike Rumple).  He knows that Lily and Emma's fates are linked, and that they were linked even before the debacle with Isaac and the Charmings.  What if Emma and Lily are both a part of his plan to ultimately defeat the Dark One. Consider:

      Emma - Born without Dark Potential. Possesser of the strongest light magic.  Probably 'bred' (I don't like that word here) to be the ideal vessel to contain the Dark One.

      Lily - her purpose was to absorb Emma's initial dark potential.  Lily probably has a strong light magic inside as well (not to mention the dragon ability), in order to counter the full effect of darkness. and it would make sense that the light in Lily comes from a strong source of light, namely Merlin.

      So they journey together, and when they meet Merlin, Merlin seperates the Dark One from Emma, and then restores the "normal" Darkness from Lily to Emma.  Emma, after surviving the tethering to the DO, is easily able to manage the darkness from her own potential, and with the lifting of the darkness from Lily, both become powerful light sorceresses, and their power, combined with Merlin, is finally enough to deal with the Dark One permanently.

      Just a theory.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:

      So they journey together, and when they meet Merlin, Merlin seperates the Dark One from Emma, and then restores the "normal" Darkness from Lily to Emma.  Emma, after surviving the tethering to the DO, is easily able to manage the darkness from her own potential, and with the lifting of the darkness from Lily, both become powerful light sorceresses, and their power, combined with Merlin, is finally enough to deal with the Dark One permanently.

      The Power of Three will set us free ;)

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    • Last ep said Maleficient did not know who he was because they were dragons at time. Merlin is from Sword and the Stone. He put his DNA into dragon by becoming germ but did not change into one.

      The Dark One is Mad Madame Mim and she impregnated Maleficent by changing into a male dragon.

      Or maybe Mushu.

      If they make it Pete the Dragon then I riot.

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    • Tbh Lily's father is Mad Madam Mim. She turned into a dragon in the movie, and totally looks like an old dude in drag.

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    • I hope they don't adopt the Disney adaption of King Arthur in Once because Mad Madam Mim is a bad character. If there can be a villa in it should just be Morgana. And I secretly hope she is the original Dark One sering as there are other ways to get rid off the Dark One's curse

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    • It would make sense if he's Lily's father. In the Disney version he shapeshifts alot. I don't know about the original books.

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    • Well, if Merlin is the most powerful entity in all the realms then he should be able to use all kinds of magic (ranging from transforming into wolfs and dragons to ice magic)

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    • Mesmermann wrote:
      It would make sense if he's Lily's father. In the Disney version he shapeshifts alot. I don't know about the original books.

      Other than with Frozen.... when was the last time, OUaT was exactly like the source material?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Mesmermann wrote:
      It would make sense if he's Lily's father. In the Disney version he shapeshifts alot. I don't know about the original books.

      Other than with Frozen.... when was the last time, OUaT was exactly like the source material?

      Odd that you ask it like that, when Frozen really wasn't that long ago.

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    • Rena Charming wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Mesmermann wrote:
      It would make sense if he's Lily's father. In the Disney version he shapeshifts alot. I don't know about the original books.
      Other than with Frozen.... when was the last time, OUaT was exactly like the source material?
      Odd that you ask it like that, when Frozen really wasn't that long ago.

      Confused? I'm sure the question is How many times other than Frozen was Once exatly like the source material? 

      Spoilers: The answer is never.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      If there can be a villa in it should just be Morgana. And I secretly hope she is the original Dark One sering as there are other ways to get rid off the Dark One's curse

      It seems many fans are hoping, Morgan Le Fay was the original Dark One.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      If there can be a villa in it should just be Morgana. And I secretly hope she is the original Dark One sering as there are other ways to get rid off the Dark One's curse
      It seems many fans are hoping, Morgan Le Fay was the original Dark One.

      Because it would fit imo. My theory:

      The darkness is an entity on itself, possibly similar to Chernabog, just pure darkness with a conscience. It took on a humanoid form and went by the name Morgana. Merlin was always trying to get rid of the darkness and thus had to find a way to conceal Morgana, so he created the dagger. He sealed Morgana inside of the dagger and the first one that would get in possession of it would be the first Dark One. Thus basically Morgana lends her powers to the current Dark One. However now being in Emma who as no darkness inside of her she is able to slip out of the dagger and take humanoid form again?

      But I digress, this forum is about who Lily's father is.

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    • Merlin can't be Lily's dad because he is a black britt

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    • Darkness Snow wrote:
      Merlin can't be Lily's dad because he is a black britt

      They haven't cast Merlin yet and I'm not quite sure why an actor being British or not would affect the storyline, or which characters are related.

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    • Darkness Snow wrote:
      Merlin can't be Lily's dad because he is a black britt

      They haven't cast Merlin yet and I'm not quite sure why an actor being British or not would affect the storyline, or which characters are related.

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    • Rockchick 19 wrote:
      Darkness Snow wrote:
      Merlin can't be Lily's dad because he is a black britt
      They haven't cast Merlin yet and I'm not quite sure why an actor being British or not would affect the storyline, or which characters are related.

      It's not he is british. It is the fact that he is black that prevent him from being Lily's father, since she is white female.

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    • Rockchick 19 wrote:
      Darkness Snow wrote:
      Merlin can't be Lily's dad because he is a black britt
      They haven't cast Merlin yet and I'm not quite sure why an actor being British or not would affect the storyline, or which characters are related.

      It's not he is british. It is the fact that he is black that prevent him from being Lily's father, since she is white female.

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    • Rockchick 19 wrote:
      Darkness Snow wrote:
      Merlin can't be Lily's dad because he is a black britt
      They haven't cast Merlin yet and I'm not quite sure why an actor being British or not would affect the storyline, or which characters are related.

      It's not he is british. It is the fact that he is black that prevent him from being Lily's father, since she is white female.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Rockchick 19 wrote:
      Darkness Snow wrote:
      Merlin can't be Lily's dad because he is a black britt
      They haven't cast Merlin yet and I'm not quite sure why an actor being British or not would affect the storyline, or which characters are related.
      It's not he is british. It is the fact that he is black that prevent him from being Lily's father, since she is white female.

      Like I said they haven't cast anyone as Merlin yet so we don't know that he is black, yes the actor who did the voice in the episode 'Lily' is black but it doesn't mean that the same actor will be playing Merlin next season, having someone voice a character before they're seen on screen and then casting someone else when the character does appear isn't unusual. Also we saw that when Lily was younger she looked latina so its entirely plausible that she could be mixed race, for all we know her father could be black or latino or arabic etc, especially as it's possible for two people of different races to have a child who doesn't look as though they are mixed race, there have even been cases where a couple have twins and one twin will appear to be the same race as one parent and the other twin will appear to be the same race as the other parent.

      All I meant by commenting on the idea of Merlin being played by a Brit is that an actor's nationality shouldn't affect something like this plotline, if nothing else because Lily grew up in the US and as such would have an American accent, meaning that the nationality of the actor playing her father wouldn't matter.

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    • Rockchick 19 wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      Rockchick 19 wrote:
      Darkness Snow wrote:
      Merlin can't be Lily's dad because he is a black britt
      They haven't cast Merlin yet and I'm not quite sure why an actor being British or not would affect the storyline, or which characters are related.
      It's not he is british. It is the fact that he is black that prevent him from being Lily's father, since she is white female.
      Like I said they haven't cast anyone as Merlin yet so we don't know that he is black, yes the actor who did the voice in the episode 'Lily' is black but it doesn't mean that the same actor will be playing Merlin next season, having someone voice a character before they're seen on screen and then casting someone else when the character does appear isn't unusual. Also we saw that when Lily was younger she looked latina so its entirely plausible that she could be mixed race, for all we know her father could be black or latino or arabic etc, especially as it's possible for two people of different races to have a child who doesn't look as though they are mixed race, there have even been cases where a couple have twins and one twin will appear to be the same race as one parent and the other twin will appear to be the same race as the other parent.

      All I meant by commenting on the idea of Merlin being played by a Brit is that an actor's nationality shouldn't affect something like this plotline, if nothing else because Lily grew up in the US and as such would have an American accent, meaning that the nationality of the actor playing her father wouldn't matter.

      They said in the casting call that he is black. Check before you reply.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Rockchick 19 wrote:
      Farerb wrote:
      Rockchick 19 wrote:
      Darkness Snow wrote:
      Merlin can't be Lily's dad because he is a black britt
      They haven't cast Merlin yet and I'm not quite sure why an actor being British or not would affect the storyline, or which characters are related.
      It's not he is british. It is the fact that he is black that prevent him from being Lily's father, since she is white female.
      Like I said they haven't cast anyone as Merlin yet so we don't know that he is black, yes the actor who did the voice in the episode 'Lily' is black but it doesn't mean that the same actor will be playing Merlin next season, having someone voice a character before they're seen on screen and then casting someone else when the character does appear isn't unusual. Also we saw that when Lily was younger she looked latina so its entirely plausible that she could be mixed race, for all we know her father could be black or latino or arabic etc, especially as it's possible for two people of different races to have a child who doesn't look as though they are mixed race, there have even been cases where a couple have twins and one twin will appear to be the same race as one parent and the other twin will appear to be the same race as the other parent.

      All I meant by commenting on the idea of Merlin being played by a Brit is that an actor's nationality shouldn't affect something like this plotline, if nothing else because Lily grew up in the US and as such would have an American accent, meaning that the nationality of the actor playing her father wouldn't matter.

      They said in the casting call that he is black. Check before you reply.

      As I said even if he is black that still doesn't mean that he couldn't be Lily's father

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    • Yeah cause Black + White = White\Latina. I know it is fiction, but people expect some kind of logic, gene logic. So no, he is not her father. Even if he wasn't black, he still wouldn't be Lily's father because it would be too predictable for them to do, and I am the first person to call on all the shit they do. Merlin being Lily's father is what most people said after season 4 finale, that is too predictable.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Yeah cause Black + White = White\Latina. I know it is fiction, but people expect some kind of logic, gene logic. So no, he is not her father. Even if he wasn't black, he still wouldn't be Lily's father because it would be too predictable for them to do, and I am the first person to call on all the shit they do. Merlin being Lily's father is what most people said after season 4 finale, that is too predictable.

      If you read this article (http://www.buzzfeed.com/richardhjames/people-dont-believe-that-these-teenagers-are-twins#.dd1YBVJz1) you will see what I mean about people of different races having children that look to be the same race as only one of their parents, rather than appearing to be mixed race. I was only mentioning Lily looking latina in regards to the fact that she looks completely different as a teenager and as an adult and that consequently it is an assumption that she is white rather than mixed race.

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    • Farerb wrote:
      Yeah cause Black + White = White\Latina. I know it is fiction, but people expect some kind of logic, gene logic. So no, he is not her father. Even if he wasn't black, he still wouldn't be Lily's father because it would be too predictable for them to do, and I am the first person to call on all the shit they do. Merlin being Lily's father is what most people said after season 4 finale, that is too predictable.

      Black (Marian) + White (Robin) = Latino (Roland). I guess I can give them props for consistency, but with all the wonderful casting that they do...that makes no sense. That world should be close to reality when it comes to races. Austrailian Belle has Austrailian Maurice and Austrailian Colette and like in a pseudo-English Avonlea. Makes sense! But science works like:

      White (Cora) + Latino (Henry) = Latina (Regina), which is how it works, but then...

      White (Alice) + Latino (Cyrus) = White (Alice's daughter)....ok, I guess....but

      White + Black = Latino/a is something that makes no sense when they could just have mixed kids.

      Anyhow, Merlin should not be the father because that would makes zero sense of what we know. Merlin will likely live a simplistic life, like the Apprentice. I don't know why every one thinks these powerful and lonely sorcerers have to be getting around with a dragon witch. It isn't Rumple, It's not the Apprentice, and it's not Merlin.......I wish they just had her be a virgin birth........

      Speaking of that, Dragon's don't have sex. They lay eggs and then the male dragon fertilizes it. This whole concept must be lost to the showrunners. Maleficent was pregnant before she laid the egg., therefore it should have happened in human form. Or maybe their magic smoke mingled leading to her pregnancy, but then she would know who the father is. This case is easily solved because they just need to go get the magic globe that Cora gave Rumple and then Lily gives more blood and finds her father. But we all know they will drag it out and do it in a way that makes no sense.

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    • I don't get this whole thing with Lily being Latina. Yes, Nicole Munoz is half Latina but Once doesn't see Mixed Race or Ethnicity. They also don't see Culture. Monoracial characters as well as American or 'Fantasyland' Culture is more or less the de facto on the show (unless when it's obvious that it's not...such as Marion who is Hispanic and Roland who is mixed but even then it's not really addressed; just like with Lily's supposedly Hispanic heritage, Marion & Roland's Hispanic Heritage is just left there hanging in the air).

      I never saw Lily as Latina. There's nothing in either her appearance or her background that screams Latina. Same for Regina. If Once really wanted to give their characters some flavor they would focus a little more on culture and a little less on race (yes, I'm glad that they cast Black characters every now and then, and to a much lesser extent, Hispanic & Asian characters, but the show doesn't just need skin tone diversity, it also needs cultural diversity, especially since some people seem to be so upset that White Lily is supposedly Latina, and especially since I'm upset that Marion, Roland, Mulan, Ursula & even Zelena just blend in like background scenery when they've all got some cultural, ethnic & national roots to explore; Same for Merlin who's gonna be a Black Brit that just blends in and Guinevere who's gonna be a Latina, hopefully a Black Latina, that's just gonna blend in as well).

      As for the topic at hand, it's not too farfetched for Merlin to be Lily's father even if he does wind up being dark skinned. I used to know someone with a black father and a white mother and he turned out almost as white as his mom even though his dad was really dark. Also, Dwayne Johnson (The Rock) who is mixed but has brown skin had a white daughter in the San Andreas movie. It doesn't always make sense but it doesn't have to. It is what it is. As for Hollywood, let's just be glad that they're at least trying to highlight mixed race families just like they're trying to highlight minorities as well as different cultures & ethnicities. Are they doing a good job at it though? That's debatable.

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    • ^^^^^ You make great points, but most seem to not count the whole "Hollywood does weird logic" thing, because Once generally had belivable and wonderful casting that usually made true since and more.

      Regina is played by a Latina. Cora is White, but Young Barbara Hershey really looks similar to Regina. Henry Sr is Latino, Henry Sr the younger is Latino. Xavier is close enough.

      The probablem with Lily's racial/ ethnic "change" was less of there being a change, but more to poor planning. Lily was only Latina to parallel with Regina in 4x05 and then it would seem they casted older Lily to look more like Maleficent. It seems that they didn't plan on them being the same character because they probably wouldn't have casted Nicole or Agnes (though they are great). Disregarding how disproportionately minority characters are treated, it still makes little sense for Lily to have Merlin as a father before the casting call.

      We already went the Sorcerer != Author, so Merlin != Father

      Merlin showed no concern with Lily (even the Apprentice was more fatherly than he would ever be), plus most fans need to understand that most of these old sorcerers, Merlin, Rumple, and Apprentice don't go around fathering children across the land. Most times they are involved in magic and the other times the political affairs, and the other times asleep or menial tasks like sweeping.

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    • How about this:

      Lily's father is Toothless, which is Hiccup's dragon form!

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    • Lobsterdeer wrote:
      How about this:

      Lily's father is Toothless, which is Hiccup's dragon form!

      Who? I'm kidding! I know who he is and I know why he does not belong.

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    • While OUAT has brought in a few non traditional fairy tale characters I feel that toothless and hiccup would be pushing it

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    • Also as far as I know Arthur can't turn into a dragon

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    • Personally I don't think Merlin is Lily's father. I think Kilgharrah might be the most likely choice since he is the dragon that befriended Merlin. So since the show is going towards Camelot the only dragon I can think of is Kilgharrah. Stupid theory?

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    • NatHarvs wrote:
      Personally I don't think Merlin is Lily's father. I think Kilgharrah might be the most likely choice since he is the dragon that befriended Merlin. So since the show is going towards Camelot the only dragon I can think of is Kilgharrah. Stupid theory?

      Not at all. Yours is fairly reasonable. The only reason against it is that it's long lof a name lol

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      NatHarvs wrote:
      Personally I don't think Merlin is Lily's father. I think Kilgharrah might be the most likely choice since he is the dragon that befriended Merlin. So since the show is going towards Camelot the only dragon I can think of is Kilgharrah. Stupid theory?
      Not at all. Yours is fairly reasonable. The only reason against it is that it's long lof a name lol

      Yeah but if Kilgharrah is Lily's father than they would probably change his name like they do with most of the fairy tale characters such as Mal/Maleficent, David/Prince Charming, Mary Margaret/Snow White and you get the idea

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    • NatHarvs wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      NatHarvs wrote:
      Personally I don't think Merlin is Lily's father. I think Kilgharrah might be the most likely choice since he is the dragon that befriended Merlin. So since the show is going towards Camelot the only dragon I can think of is Kilgharrah. Stupid theory?
      Not at all. Yours is fairly reasonable. The only reason against it is that it's long lof a name lol
      Yeah but if Kilgharrah is Lily's father than they would probably change his name like they do with most of the fairy tale characters such as Mal/Maleficent, David/Prince Charming, Mary Margaret/Snow White and you get the idea

      Kilgharrah is a character from BBC's Merlin, rather than from the original legend and as such ABC wouldn't be able to use him in OUAT. However, they could potentially use the Red Dragon from Welsh mythology, possibly the basis for the character of Kilgharrah, which is connected to Merlin. However, Merlin didn't befriend the dragon, he supposedly deciphered the meaning of a fight between the Red Dragon and the White Dragon, who had both been imprisoned underneath a hill. The Red Dragon also served as a prophecy of sorts about the birth of King Arthur.

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    • I bet it's "The Dragon" from Season 2, episode 18.

      Note: This is my first comment on this wiki! :)

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    • i honestly dont think this is gonna b revaled until the second half

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    • I think it's out there but seeing how everything in this is so unexpected I have a theory about who Lily's father might be. There are lots of references to traditional fairy tales and newer blockbuster successes eg Frozen, Brave etc. Shrek's sidekick, Donkey managed to procreate with a dragon... Just saying...

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    • ConnieThePooh wrote:
      I think it's out there but seeing how everything in this is so unexpected I have a theory about who Lily's father might be. There are lots of references to traditional fairy tales and newer blockbuster successes eg Frozen, Brave etc. Shrek's sidekick, Donkey managed to procreate with a dragon... Just saying...

      lool look at this @ConnieThePooh: https://www.facebook.com/alwaysfound7/photos/pb.607625019251780.-2207520000.1445104471./1063756523638625/?type=3&theater

      Anyway... I assume it's not Merlin coz he's black (unless he's mixed race), i thought it mightv been Sir Kay, but i dont think he can turn into a dragon, maybe Madam Mim's son? probly a new chatacter in the second half of season 5

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    • ConnieThePooh wrote:
      I think it's out there but seeing how everything in this is so unexpected I have a theory about who Lily's father might be. There are lots of references to traditional fairy tales and newer blockbuster successes eg Frozen, Brave etc. Shrek's sidekick, Donkey managed to procreate with a dragon... Just saying...

      Shrek is owned by Dreamworks, however, which means it will never be done on the show.

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    • How long has Merlin been in that tree? I'm not sure he could have fathered Lily at the time she was concieved.

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    • TrumpetofTheSwan wrote: How long has Merlin been in that tree? 

      I would guess a for millennia.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      TrumpetofTheSwan wrote: How long has Merlin been in that tree? 
      I would guess a for millennia.

      Yeah, I'd say not the father.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      TrumpetofTheSwan wrote: How long has Merlin been in that tree? 
      I would guess a for millennia.

      I don't think it can be more than about 20ys, after all he encountered Emma in the LWM when she was about 6, so its technically possible that he was in the EF when Lily was concieved.

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    • Rockchick 19 wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      TrumpetofTheSwan wrote: How long has Merlin been in that tree? 
      I would guess a for millennia.
      I don't think it can be more than about 20ys, after all he encountered Emma in the LWM when she was about 6, so its technically possible that he was in the EF when Lily was concieved.

      Magic. Merlin was likely in the tree for a millenia and he is the most powerful sorcerer in the world---astral projection. Clearly he was still in the tree because Arthur and them were frozen in time and they said Merlin wa sin the tree then as well.

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    • Rockchick 19 wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      TrumpetofTheSwan wrote: How long has Merlin been in that tree? 
      I would guess a for millennia.
      I don't think it can be more than about 20ys, after all he encountered Emma in the LWM when she was about 6, so its technically possible that he was in the EF when Lily was concieved.

      Good point.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Rockchick 19 wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      TrumpetofTheSwan wrote: How long has Merlin been in that tree? 
      I would guess a for millennia.
      I don't think it can be more than about 20ys, after all he encountered Emma in the LWM when she was about 6, so its technically possible that he was in the EF when Lily was concieved.
      Magic. Merlin was likely in the tree for a millenia and he is the most powerful sorcerer in the world---astral projection. Clearly he was still in the tree because Arthur and them were frozen in time and they said Merlin wa sin the tree then as well.

      Except if Merlin used astral projection then the body he created for himself would be made of magic and so couldn't exist in a world where magic doesn't exist; we've seen that the only way that magic can exist in the LWM is in the form of an enchanted object and I doubt that an object could be enchanted in such a way that would allow him to astral project. Even if two enchanted objects like that were paired, one in with Merlin in Camelot and say one with the Apprentice in the LWM, to allow Merlin to operate outside of Camelot I don't see how they would stay connected across realms.

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    • Rockchick 19 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Rockchick 19 wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      TrumpetofTheSwan wrote: How long has Merlin been in that tree? 
      I would guess a for millennia.
      I don't think it can be more than about 20ys, after all he encountered Emma in the LWM when she was about 6, so its technically possible that he was in the EF when Lily was concieved.
      Magic. Merlin was likely in the tree for a millenia and he is the most powerful sorcerer in the world---astral projection. Clearly he was still in the tree because Arthur and them were frozen in time and they said Merlin wa sin the tree then as well.
      Except if Merlin used astral projection then the body he created for himself would be made of magic and so couldn't exist in a world where magic doesn't exist; we've seen that the only way that magic can exist in the LWM is in the form of an enchanted object and I doubt that an object could be enchanted in such a way that would allow him to astral project. Even if two enchanted objects like that were paired, one in with Merlin in Camelot and say one with the Apprentice in the LWM, to allow Merlin to operate outside of Camelot I don't see how they would stay connected across realms.

      The Apprentice used magic in LWM. Emma's manifest as sparks and energy surges and Merlin is the most powerful peron in all the realms. Merlin also put his house in SB and he was in a tree.

      Even the quill altered the reality in the Land without Magic and Merlin created that quill.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      Rockchick 19 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      Rockchick 19 wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      TrumpetofTheSwan wrote: How long has Merlin been in that tree? 
      I would guess a for millennia.
      I don't think it can be more than about 20ys, after all he encountered Emma in the LWM when she was about 6, so its technically possible that he was in the EF when Lily was concieved.
      Magic. Merlin was likely in the tree for a millenia and he is the most powerful sorcerer in the world---astral projection. Clearly he was still in the tree because Arthur and them were frozen in time and they said Merlin wa sin the tree then as well.
      Except if Merlin used astral projection then the body he created for himself would be made of magic and so couldn't exist in a world where magic doesn't exist; we've seen that the only way that magic can exist in the LWM is in the form of an enchanted object and I doubt that an object could be enchanted in such a way that would allow him to astral project. Even if two enchanted objects like that were paired, one in with Merlin in Camelot and say one with the Apprentice in the LWM, to allow Merlin to operate outside of Camelot I don't see how they would stay connected across realms.
      The Apprentice used magic in LWM. Emma's manifest as sparks and energy surges and Merlin is the most powerful peron in all the realms. Merlin also put his house in SB and he was in a tree.

      Even the quill altered the reality in the Land without Magic and Merlin created that quill.

      Tbh I'd forgotten about the Apprentice using magic in the LWM, but, to me at least, there's a difference between magically opening/re-opening a portal using a wand (that appears to be enchanted/imbued with magic and as such should work in the LWM anyway), or even the sparks and energy surges that Emma causes, and projecting a body made entirely of magic into the LWM from another realm. Tbh as much as we've heard about Merlin's abilities I'm not convinced that he is as powerful as everyone in SB seems to think he is, if nothing else it seems strange that if he really is that powerful that he's been stuck in a tree for so long. Though tbf, at the same time I'm also not entirely convinced that Merlin is in the tree, I mean we've only got Arthur's word on that and I wouldn't exactly call him trustworthy :/

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    • Or it could be the genie from aladdin - he can take all forms and would explain the genealogy you're all so caught up with! And is Disney...

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    • Lobsterdeer wrote:
      How about this:

      Lily's father is Toothless, which is Hiccup's dragon form!

      that's exactly what my sister keeps saying. is that movie even disney?

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    • EvaC wrote:
      Lobsterdeer wrote:
      How about this:

      Lily's father is Toothless, which is Hiccup's dragon form!

      that's exactly what my sister keeps saying. is that movie even disney?

      Nope, it's Dreamworks :)

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    • The better question should be how old was Merlin when he got stuck/trapped in tree form?(on the show not in the legend because the once upon a time writers could made the story for his character slightly different with when he was trapped in a tree)

      Plus to those who think Merlin would be black might be right because he was kind of shown in the dark swan when he was talking to Emma his actor Elliot knight's favorite Disney Villian is Maleficent so I can kind of see how the whole Merlin/Maleficent being Lily's parents would make sense. But then again I do not think Lily's father would be from Camelot , plus in the dark swan Merlin looked young clearly younger then he would look when he and if he ever gets free from being a tree he might not look the same as he did when he was turned into a tree.i would think it would be safer to say lily has connections to Merlin probably because he is a friend to her father without actually being her father. Plus noone knows how he will look once he gets out of the tree,he might end up being recasted around the time he gets saved from being a tree. Plus we should add in the fact that we have no idea when or where Lily was born(but I highly doubt it was Camelot).

      Noone really knows who the writers have in mind for Lily's father.

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    • They do not take fourth season before releasing Merlin. It will happen in this season and why should they recast Merlin? If Merlin can transform himself to a dragon, there is a big chance he is. But it could also be one from 5B.

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    • GirlMeetsWorldFan123 wrote:
      The better question should be how old was Merlin when he got stuck/trapped in tree form?(on the show not in the legend because the once upon a time writers could made the story for his character slightly different with when he was trapped in a tree)

      Plus to those who think Merlin would be black might be right because he was kind of shown in the dark swan when he was talking to Emma his actor Elliot knight's favorite Disney Villian is Maleficent so I can kind of see how the whole Merlin/Maleficent being Lily's parents would make sense. But then again I do not think Lily's father would be from Camelot , plus in the dark swan Merlin looked young clearly younger then he would look when he and if he ever gets free from being a tree he might not look the same as he did when he was turned into a tree.i would think it would be safer to say lily has connections to Merlin probably because he is a friend to her father without actually being her father. Plus noone knows how he will look once he gets out of the tree,he might end up being recasted around the time he gets saved from being a tree. Plus we should add in the fact that we have no idea when or where Lily was born(but I highly doubt it was Camelot).

      Noone really knows who the writers have in mind for Lily's father.

      What? No Merlin is not getting recast, Merlin does not age because of magic. Elliot Knight is playing Merlin, we know this to be fact. Merlin will be the same age going in to the tree as he is coming out of it. And we know exactly when and where Lily was born, we saw Snow and Charming steal her egg.

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    • I think he was already in the tree when Maleficent was pregnant. I know he met Emma, but a vision is a thing, and to make a child you need more than a vision.

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    • Hey, now that I have a theory that Dracula is Lily's father, because:

      - Dracul means Dragon!

      - It fits the LUS and Jekyll/Hyde theme

      - Dracula can shapeshift. He's also powerful and manipulating with a large army making him a great villain to counter Maleficent and the Storybrooke gang.

      - Lily may ask Hyde to find her father because he knows lots of people. And/Or Hyde may release Dracula if Hyde's nearly defeated by the Storybrooke gang.

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    • Wait what?? Maleficent is immortal?? Can someone please leave a link to that. I need to know more

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    • Batuhan03 wrote:
      Wait what?? Maleficent is immortal?? Can someone please leave a link to that. I need to know more

      They never said immortal. Just that she lived a very long time.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Batuhan03 wrote:
      Wait what?? Maleficent is immortal?? Can someone please leave a link to that. I need to know more

      They never said immortal. Just that she lived a very long time.

      Oh ok, i didn't see that, i just saw: Mal is immortal (adam and eddy confirmed it) and Went to comment straight away, thanks for clearing that up or else I'd be like: Maleficent is a deity

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    • Batuhan03 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Batuhan03 wrote:
      Wait what?? Maleficent is immortal?? Can someone please leave a link to that. I need to know more
      They never said immortal. Just that she lived a very long time.
      Oh ok, i didn't see that, i just saw: Mal is immortal (adam and eddy confirmed it) and Went to comment straight away, thanks for clearing that up or else I'd be like: Maleficent is a deity

      Immortal doesn't mean deity. Merlin was essentially Immortal, as are the Dark Ones, but what makes them not be Deities is the fact that they are not venerated or worshipped.

      I believe Kristen (the actress) said that Maleficent is immortal (but when was she born? Who knows). Mal was a prominent Sorceress in Cora's day (As Cora had her spell book) and she burned a tree for about as long as Aurora has been alive (about 20 to 30 years). She clearly hasn't aged unless she was a really young witch back then. But then, it wouldn't make sense for her to be so accomplished.

      So, she's probably long-lived or the "Norse God" kind of immortal, where you live very long but can still die rather conventionally.

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    • i think lily's father is the Dragon because he also lost a daughter and can change in a real dragon 

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    • In the Disney Lore, Maleficent was one of the fairies, just not a "good" fairy.

      This makes me wonder about the Black Fairy in the present season. Could there be some link between her and Maleficent?

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    • I'm betting on the Dragon being Lily's father. He even says he has a daughter.

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    • Tycio wrote:
      In the Disney Lore, Maleficent was one of the fairies, just not a "good" fairy.

      This makes me wonder about the Black Fairy in the present season. Could there be some link between her and Maleficent?

      As interesting as that would be it's not very likely as it's been confirmed that OUAT's version of Maleficent isn't a faerie :/

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    • I have a pretty strong feeling that The Dragon (the Chinese man from New York) is Lily's father!

      Think about it, both him and Maleficent can both turn into dragons and that would explain why Lily isnt as pale as her mum because she is mixed race

      What do other people think?

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    • Bexyxox wrote:

      I have a pretty strong feeling that The Dragon (the Chinese man from New York) is Lily's father!

      Think about it, both him and Maleficent can both turn into dragons and that would explain why Lily isnt as pale as her mum because she is mixed race

      What do other people think?

      Writers already confirmed The Dragon isn't Lily's father. Best theory for him is he is Mulan's father.

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    • I have been watching all of Once upon a Time from the beginning recently. I think Lily Page's father actually is the Dragon. 

      1- Maleficent doesn't know who the father is because conception of Lily happened while both mother and father were in Dragon form.

      2- Lily's necklace is a dragon scale.

      3- season 6 episode of "I'll be your Mirror" the Dragon talks about a daughter he has lost because of a mistake he had done.

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    • Is the star birthmark connected to the crescent scar somehow?

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    • TrumpetofTheSwan wrote:
      Is the star birthmark connected to the crescent scar somehow?

      I was thinking the same. More than that, I think Lily is the one that is supposed to fight the Savior : in the prophecie it says that he/she will be born on the same day as the Savior and she also has this mark.

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    • 86.221.8.84 wrote:
      TrumpetofTheSwan wrote:
      Is the star birthmark connected to the crescent scar somehow?
      I was thinking the same. More than that, I think Lily is the one that is supposed to fight the Savior : in the prophecie it says that he/she will be born on the same day as the Savior and she also has this mark.

      Lily and Emma weren't born on the same day, they were born at least several months apart; Lily was baptised sometime in August 1983 (going by the newspaper clipping in the episode 'Lily') and given the time that it takes to finalise an adoption etc she was probably already several months old at that point. Emma wasn't born until October 1983 :)

      Also if the prophecy you're referring is the one about the 'great evil' that was mentioned in 'The Black Fairy' then it actually stated that that great evil would be 'born' in the same winter as the Saviour, neither Emma nor Lily were born in the winter. The prophecy also specified that the great evil could be identified by a crescent scar, rather than a star shaped birth mark :) I'm still not convinced that the Saviour mentioned in the prophecy is Emma (not unless Fiona managed to completely change the prophecy or render it invalid when she severed Rumple from his destiny) :/

      At this point in time I'm more inclined to think that the star birth mark was either just a way for the writers to ensure that the audience made the connection between Emma's childhood friend and Maleficent's daughter or, they did have something planned that involved the star birth mark but, since they've left that plotline unfinished, nothing came of their plans and by the time that they were planning the Black Fairy stuff they'd potentially forgotten about Lily's birth mark anyway :/

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    • Gusy dose  anybody else think that the european dragon that was featured in Season Six Episodes 21&22 " The Finale Battle Part 1 and 2 " in Giants Lair there was actually a male european dragon and possibliy Liliy Page Father,because Merlin and The Dragon as we know now and its confirmd from A&E thatthey both  arent Liliys Father so it can be possible that we actually on a brief look  have seen Lilisy Father in his dragon form.As for his names i have disscused about this on other threads, the A&E chould eithere use his name from Welsh poems,Beowulf poems or Norse mythology wich has 2 ( Fafnir and Nigghok ) or Writters will just give us his human LWM name and not EF name,or Writters can once again suprise us that they might actully use the name of dragon from BBC Merlin Tv Series

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    • I thought the girl who came to fetch adult Henry was Lilly. She said he was her dad. Maybe this means a much older Henry marries a younger Maleficent with time travel?

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    • Tycio wrote:
      I thought the girl who came to fetch adult Henry was Lilly. She said he was her dad. Maybe this means a much older Henry marries a younger Maleficent with time travel?

      The little girl's name was Lucy :)

      Also, EW have now confirmed the identity of her mother/Henry's wife and it's not a younger version of Maleficent :)

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