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  • Okay, follow on my train of thoughts.

    So, we have strong implications that the Apprentice wasn't cursed and he travelled to the Land Without Magic on his own account (sucks to be you, Rumple!) to track Lily and help her out a bit. I mean, although it was not confirmed on-screen, we know that a) people in Storybrooke except Regina couldn't leave town with the Curse still on (and we have no on-screen diverging information about this, with Henry being an exception because he wasn't cursed or born in FTL to begin with), and b) he does have realm-jumping powers that reach as far as the Land Without Magic. Therefore, he likely wasn't cursed and the rule for such cases is to only have one page per character.

    BUT – here comes the funny part – the mansion or anything Sorcerer-related wasn't in Storybrooke during the first Curse, as Belle mentioned in 4x01. So what happened? Did the Apprentice get swiped back o Fairy Tale Land with the undoing of the first Curse and then got back, this time, by means of Snow's Curse? In which case, we need The Apprentice (Enchanted Forest) and The Apprentice (Storybrooke) pages as they are now.

    That is, unless he wasn't in Storybrooke at the time, like Cruella and Ursula, so he would remain in the LWM and we would need only one page again.

    This opens a big question about Ingrid: she was native of Fairy Tale Land, she was in Storybrooke when the first Curse was undone (nothing in the show suggests she got out), therefore she must have been swept back to Fairy Tale Land with the undoing of the Curse (we have on-screen evidence that ALL Fairy Tale Land natives except for Emma would be taken back, and zero about Ingrid somehow being able to escape the undoing of the Curse). She is back to Storybrooke after the second Curse, so by logic, that's how she should have returned too. Does this mean we also need an Ingrid (Arendelle) and Ingrid (Storybrooke) page, with the first containing all the information up until and including the first Curse and the second only what happened after the second Curse?

    Yeah, this is a mess. Any thoughts?

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    • The Apprentice could have used some powers from the Sorcerer to go to LWM. So yeah, not cursed during the first curse but as far as we know, he was in SB under the second curse so cursed persona.


      Concerning Ingrid, she could have use the scroll to save herself from the curses.

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    • My thought is that the two pages idea should be revised. I think that it is not necessary that all the characters have two pages. Tinkerbell, Robin Hood, zelena (and other characters) pages seem redundant - They still have the same personalities, same memories - they are the same character whether in Storybrooke or another land.

      I think the two pages need to apply to characters from Season 1 only that had different personality and different traits and name (Mary Margaret, David, Ruby, Archie....) IMO.

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    • In both cases, I myself feel everything is too vague to be sure if the Apprentice and Ingrid should have only one page for each. It's not known what happened to Ingrid after Regina undid the first curse or after the second curse was cast. I mean, we can assume ___ happened, but nothing is 100% until some kind of show confirmation. The Apprentice...I really don't know. His latest appearance in "Lily" raises a lot of questions, but how he travelled to the LWM to talk to Lily is not explained at this time. Maybe by the end of this season we will know. 

      As for revising the idea of what constitutes a character having two pages, I have to disagree with that, Fareb. Others may have the same opinion as you, but for me, I'd rather the rule of "affected by Dark Curse = counterpart page". Admittedly, the rule may not be perfect for every character since the wiki has exceptations for characters that weren't affected by a dark curse and instead assumed a different persona after crossing realms (example: Baelfire/Neal Cassidy, Malcolm/Peter Pan). Then there are the characters that fall into the grayish area (Aurora, Phillip) where it's highly debatable whether they should be considered cursed by a Dark Curse if they came to Storybrooke while still in flying monkey form. 

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    • As far as the Apprentice is concerned, I think he was cursed the second time too. The second Curse adjusted to include Zelena's farm, so the mansion popping up with the second Curse might indicate he was there as well.

      As for Ingrid, the scroll could be a theory, but we usually go with the facts provided by the show. We have no direct reference to her prior to the Frozen arc and her flashbacks don't cover that specific moment, so our best shot are general facts which we know affected everyone. There is nothing which explicitly contradicts the "all FTL natives in Storybrooke, cursed and not cursed alike, went back" rule, nor anything that suggests she took a trip out of town (with such short notice) or that she could in the first place. The only exceptions are Emma, who got away as the Saviour, and Cruella and Ursula who were out of reach because they weren't in Storybrooke. Anything else is speculation.

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    • GothicNarcissus wrote:
      As far as the Apprentice is concerned, I think he was cursed the second time too. The second Curse adjusted to include Zelena's farm, so the mansion popping up with the second Curse might indicate he was there as well.

      As for Ingrid, the scroll could be a theory, but we usually go with the facts provided by the show. We have no direct reference to her prior to the Frozen arc and her flashbacks don't cover that specific moment, so our best shot are general facts which we know affected everyone. There is nothing which explicitly contradicts the "all FTL natives in Storybrooke, cursed and not cursed alike, went back" rule, nor anything that suggests she took a trip out of town (with such short notice) or that she could in the first place. The only exceptions are Emma, who got away as the Saviour, and Cruella and Ursula who were out of reach because they weren't in Storybrooke. Anything else is speculation.


      Except only two non cursed characters went back to the EF via the curse: Hook and Neal. They appeared with the rest of the group, not the case of Ingrid (I know it is a HUGE retco but still :p)

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    • If all FTL natives in Storybrooke went back, then where did Dr. Whale go? The way Regina explained it in "Going Home", she made it sound like undoing the curse would put everyone back to where they were originally were before the curse was cast, so does that mean Dr. Whale went back to the LWM? Did Jefferson get retrapped in Wonderland? I was thinking about the whole "going back" bit in a more literal sense... Yeah, the characters did "go back" and regained their prior clothing/hairstyles/weapons that they had before the curse, but I thought they were all actually going to be transported back to the exact spot each of them were prior to the curse.

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    • I agree with Farerb. I always thought the two pages system was awkward when some people have no change in name or personality. 

      Zelena is the same Zelena of the past and wasn't effected by the curse, just brought here. Otherwise, Neal would have two alone not including Bae) on precedent. The only exceptions to the two page thing from season one is Regina and Rumple, since they have too much info, lol.

      The Apprentice has one name as far as we know and we see that he came here via the Sorcerer. We don't know if he didn't, but regardless he doesn't have a persona, he just had normal clothes. Almost like Maleficent, she has only one persona, becasue her cursed persona was her trapped in Dragon form, likewose Jefferson should have only one page. 

      As for the Sorcerer's Mansion popping up (I have no clue how they know who it belongs to besides guessing.), we do know the Sorcerer can see into the future, so you know he saw that they would need to free the Author and would need the hat so, he just gave them his house to search.

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    • Applegirl wrote:
      If all FTL natives in Storybrooke went back, then where did Dr. Whale go? The way Regina explained it in "Going Home", she made it sound like undoing the curse would put everyone back to where they were originally were before the curse was cast, so does that mean Dr. Whale went back to the LWM? Did Jefferson get retrapped in Wonderland? I was thinking about the whole "going back" bit in a more literal sense... Yeah, the characters did "go back" and regained their prior clothing/hairstyles/weapons that they had before the curse, but I thought they were all actually going to be transported back to the exact spot each of them were prior to the curse.

      By this logic, Neal should have been returned to wherever he was in the Land Without Magic before the Curse was cast, not to Fairy Tale Land. Speaking of which, we've seen one of the Lost Boys at his funeral (the one portrayed by Jack di Blasio), so unless the second Curse reached as far as Neverland, he too should have been returned to his native land and then taken back to Storybrooke.

      As for Ingrid not showing up, neither did Abigail, or Frederick, or Hansel, Gretel and the Woodcutter, or Cinderella… but that's because they could not show every single character on the show in one single episode. And there is as much evidence pointing to them escaping the undoing as the curse as there is for Ingrid.

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    • I agree with not having two pages for everyone, it's true that we're not sure about some characters like the Apprentice, and I understand the situation of Peter Pan/Malcolm, but as Eskaver and GothicNarcissus pointed, several characters shouldn't have two pages imo. I guess this would be a huge change for the wiki, so a great consesus should be needed... maybe we should create a new thread in order to discuss it?

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    • I am always in favor of using one page only for all characters. The collapsible tables and/or tabs are enough to prevent long summaries.

      However, as long as we keep them apart, Ingrid REALLY MUST have two pages. She might have escaped the undoing, yeah, but so might let's say Thomas. We MUST use tbe info we have, which is everyone was sent back, so so was she.

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    • Okay, guys. Please join this thread http://onceuponatime.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:214247 to discuss in-depth about possibly merging or not merging the two characters' pages into one page per character.

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