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  • Okay, I loved tonight's ep but was bummed that the Sorcerer didn't appear. We were told that he imprisoned the Author but the Apprentice was the one shown doing it in flashback. Yet, the way the Apprentice kept referring to "we" and the fact that my mom {who introduced me to the show} thinks they're the same person has put  me on the path to a new theory.

    What if they are one and the same but like Jekyll and Hyde? What if putting on the hat transforms the Apprentice into the Sorcerer, yet they treat each other as separate entities?

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    • I just think it was the Sorcerer's decision and the Apprentice just executed it.

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    • The Sorcerer works through his Apprentice. Like the Author, I think the Sorcerer chose his Apprentice (though this is a permanent and forever position). I assume that he's the one who powers the Apprentice, since the Apprentice performs more powerful magic than Rumple. What's even more funny is that he went towards Ingrid and Zoso with just a sword, lol!

      Nice theory, but I assume the simplest of options, usually.

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    • Why has there been no mention of casting for the Socerer?

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    • Magician123 wrote: Why has there been no mention of casting for the Socerer?

      Maybe for secrecy (can't spoil everything/ everyone who saw the peddler knew he would be the Author), Apprentice = Sorcerer, or we'll never see him.

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    • Didn't A+E say we would?

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    • Avatar Beta wrote: Didn't A+E say we would?

      Did they? Or was it the Author?

      Edit: It said the Sorcerer and/or Author will be met in the second half of the season. So, we have the Author.

      http://www.celebeat.com/articles/15690/20141221/once-upon-a-time-abc-season-4-spoilers-with-producer-interview-moving-into-spring-2015-episodes.htm

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    • In the hotseat interview for Entertainment weekly, Adam said we'd see the sorcererer. it was the second question.

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    • Avatar Beta wrote: In the hotseat interview for Entertainment weekly, Adam said we'd see the sorcererer. it was the second question.

      Link?

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    • Sadly, I don't know how.

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    • Avatar Beta wrote: Sadly, I don't know how.

      It's okay, but I do hope we do see the Sorcerer!

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    • Me too. He's so mysterious that he's been on my mind since this season started.

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    • Avatar Beta wrote: Me too. He's so mysterious that he's been on my mind since this season started.

      I actually hope they continually build up to him. Mysterious figures always make for a better plot. But with this show, they'll show some unknown person and he'll be seen for exactly 45 seconds and disappear forever. I mean that's how long guest stars last, right?

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Avatar Beta wrote: Me too. He's so mysterious that he's been on my mind since this season started.

      I actually hope they continually build up to him. Mysterious figures always make for a better plot. But with this show, they'll show some unknown person and he'll be seen for exactly 45 seconds and disappear forever. I mean that's how long guest stars last, right?

      Not always. We've had Kristen since Season 1 (though she did kinda disappear during season 2 and 3). We've had Abby Ross for 3-4 episodes, We'll have Patrick Fischler for a couple more at least,

      Now, granted we had Collette for all of one scene (so far), the fake psychic for all of 1 scene (So far), And a lot of the FTL characters for 1, or maybe 2 episodes at most. But they don't ALL disappear after 1 scene.

      And I agree, that they should keep building up the suspense on the Sorcerer. The suspense on the Author worked out fairly well (particularly if you weren't spoiled on the reveal), and the reveal on Lily was very nice (We only saw her in 1 episode so far, but her name has come up once or twice since then, keeping her just on the edge of secrecy).

      But I digress.

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    • I sort of exaggerated. I mostly was referring to Colette and Stefan because it's hilarious how hyped they were for a scene and then never seen (pun) again!

      I'll adapt it and say guess stars that aren't main characters or major to the current plot. Like Aurora, who was frequently seen in season two, was only seen in short capacity in Mal's backstory. Stefan, Colette likewise. I'm surprise we had more scenes with Poseidon.

      I was spoiled on the reveal, besides the photo on how he looked (which means nothing) when they casted a peddler and said he's important to the show's mythology I was like "Well, don't make this so obvious!"

      The Sorcerer, if used write could be a good subplot for the future or just a mystery even beyond the end of the show. MAybe even to some hints, unless he's an original character.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Avatar Beta wrote: In the hotseat interview for Entertainment weekly, Adam said we'd see the sorcererer. it was the second question.

      Link?

      Here's the interview , so definitely we're going to see the Sorcerer... I guess that the Apprentice is actually the Sorcerer, but I  they also said that they haven't cast him, so idk. It seems that we'll have to wait a bit more to meet him, probably at the season finale

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    • Sorcerer's Owl wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Avatar Beta wrote: In the hotseat interview for Entertainment weekly, Adam said we'd see the sorcererer. it was the second question.

      Link?

      Here's the interview , so definitely we're going to see the Sorcerer... I guess that the Apprentice is actually the Sorcerer, but I  they also said that they haven't cast him, so idk. It seems that we'll have to wait a bit more to meet him, probably at the season finale

      Well, maybe they mean not literal unless the Apprentice is the Sorcerer and has some weird personality disorder/ let himself get controlled by his own employee.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Sorcerer's Owl wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Avatar Beta wrote: In the hotseat interview for Entertainment weekly, Adam said we'd see the sorcererer. it was the second question.

      Link?
      Here's the interview , so definitely we're going to see the Sorcerer... I guess that the Apprentice is actually the Sorcerer, but I  they also said that they haven't cast him, so idk. It seems that we'll have to wait a bit more to meet him, probably at the season finale
      Well, maybe they mean not literal unless the Apprentice is the Sorcerer and has some weird personality disorder/ let himself get controlled by his own employee.

      Yes, that makes sense, or maybe it's just a strategy in order to make people believe that there's a very powerful sorcerer able to beat anyone. Then, people would avoid cross paths with him, as they would think the sorcerer is protecting him

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    • Sorcerer's Owl wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Sorcerer's Owl wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Avatar Beta wrote: In the hotseat interview for Entertainment weekly, Adam said we'd see the sorcererer. it was the second question.

      Link?
      Here's the interview , so definitely we're going to see the Sorcerer... I guess that the Apprentice is actually the Sorcerer, but I  they also said that they haven't cast him, so idk. It seems that we'll have to wait a bit more to meet him, probably at the season finale
      Well, maybe they mean not literal unless the Apprentice is the Sorcerer and has some weird personality disorder/ let himself get controlled by his own employee.

      Yes, that makes sense, or maybe it's just a strategy in order to make people believe that there's a very powerful sorcerer able to beat anyone. Then, people would avoid cross paths with him, as they would think the sorcerer is protecting him

      I mean the Apprentice does cast powerful spells and some spells Rumple can't even cast. So, he is powerful in his own right.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Sorcerer's Owl wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Sorcerer's Owl wrote:


      Eskaver wrote:

      Avatar Beta wrote: In the hotseat interview for Entertainment weekly, Adam said we'd see the sorcererer. it was the second question.

      Link?
      Here's the interview , so definitely we're going to see the Sorcerer... I guess that the Apprentice is actually the Sorcerer, but I  they also said that they haven't cast him, so idk. It seems that we'll have to wait a bit more to meet him, probably at the season finale
      Well, maybe they mean not literal unless the Apprentice is the Sorcerer and has some weird personality disorder/ let himself get controlled by his own employee.
      Yes, that makes sense, or maybe it's just a strategy in order to make people believe that there's a very powerful sorcerer able to beat anyone. Then, people would avoid cross paths with him, as they would think the sorcerer is protecting him
      I mean the Apprentice does cast powerful spells and some spells Rumple can't even cast. So, he is powerful in his own right.

      You're right, that strategy would be odd...

      I agree with your theory, we haven't any information about the Sorcerer's casting, not even set photos or just a name of a new actor, so they have to be the same person, or he will have a very minor role at least on this season, I hope not

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    • ^ that makes sense in light of the original oz where there was a huge face and it was just a man behind a curtain. in the same way, there could be the appearance of a great sorceror, when in reality, the sorcerer really is the apprentice

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    • I love the "Dr Jeckyll and Mr Hyde" theory! 

      What if the Sorcerer isn't born yet or still doesn't know anything about his/her powers? Maybe "the Sorcerer" is a sort of prophecy. Actually it's quite weird we've never seen him/her even in dangerous situations. Why didn't he/she stopped the Author? Why did he/she sent the Apprentice to fetch him? Maybe he/she's imprisoned too, but I don't know, I'd like to see something more original. For example, the Sorcerer could be Henry...he's the owner of the book, isn't it? Maybe he owns the book and he's the one who figured out everything about the curse because of this. He's special even if he still doesn't know. 

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    • Merlinia wrote:
      I love the "Dr Jeckyll and Mr Hyde" theory! 

      What if the Sorcerer isn't born yet or still doesn't know anything about his/her powers? Maybe "the Sorcerer" is a sort of prophecy. Actually it's quite weird we've never seen him/her even in dangerous situations. Why didn't he/she stopped the Author? Why did he/she sent the Apprentice to fetch him? Maybe he/she's imprisoned too, but I don't know, I'd like to see something more original. For example, the Sorcerer could be Henry...he's the owner of the book, isn't it? Maybe he owns the book and he's the one who figured out everything about the curse because of this. He's special even if he still doesn't know. 

      As interesting as "Henry the Sorcerer" would be, they seem to have made it very clear that what makes Henry special isn't magic. He's the glue that seems to hold everyone together. He's the one that motivates everyone and reminds them of who they are. He never gives up on people.

      Henry is a beacon of unconditional hope and love.

      That's what makes him special. 


      Now if anyone turns out to be a future Sorcerer, I'm voting Lilly. She was born with that star shaped birthmark, and the Sorcerer's hat has stars all over it. I think that birthmark might be a clue to her destiny.

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    • According to Rumplestilstkin the Sorcerer has been alive for thousands of years. What if all that time took a toll on him and destoyed his body? So for the last few thousand years he has been a spirit who requires a host to speak and act through. And the Apprentice could be the most recent host. It would explain why the Apprentice talked as if the Sorcerer was there when he locked him up. Its sort of like the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde thory, but not exactly.

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    • Oh and maybe for whatever reason the Sorcerer can't act through the Apprentice in this world, which is why he was captured in the hat, because he could not draw on his power.

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    • A Spy in the Mirror
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