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  • For once I'm speechless.......

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    • I'm quite disappointed. I want Ursula to stay around for a little longer. 

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    • Pretty strong episode!

      I wonder where all of this is going! 

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    • wow what a great story...but it's weird that a "villian" just got happy and left with her dad in the middle of plans haha..

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    • But at least the explained the difference between the statue Ursula and this Ursula. That's like the only satisfying part of the episode.... that and Cruella being knocked out by a frying pan (Tangled reference??).

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    • Why are you speechless?

      I loooooved the episode! Ursula is my favorite Disney character and The Little Mermaid my favorite movie and Once did great on her episode! Though this is nothing like the Ursula we know, it was amazing!

      They used a lot of Disney Ariel's story for Ursula and it did perfectly fine. I loved how she sang 'Fathom's Below'. <3 

      I also liked the appearance of Ariel. It was nice to see her and get a little mention of Elsa and what has been going on. Now she's back with Eric again, I guess. Hope to see her again next season. It is lovely to see her turn up once in a while. 

      THAT CLIFFHANGER though. So the Author is trapped inside the book. Didn't expect that. Amazing! And suddenly The Sorcerer doesn't sound as good anymore. Why did he trap the author? 

      EDIT: I am a little confused, because it seemed like Ursula left but she is confirmed to have filmed for multiple more episodes. Guess something keeps her in town after all. 

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    • Loved this episode.

      I am SO excited that the door is actually a page in the book. How clever! The author is trapped inside!

      I enjoyed the twist on Ursla's story being so identical to the Little Mermaid. Very much. But I wish I u ser stood how Ursula got banished to LWM.

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    • Ok I picked my mouth up off the floor....

      GOD EM IS SO DENSE!!!!!!!!

      URSULA DONT GO!!!!

      DEAR LORD I FORGOT HOW HOT ERNIE WAS!!! 😍💗

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    • Vinc3ntN wrote:
      But at least the explained the difference between the statue Ursula and this Ursula. That's like the only satisfying part of the episode.... that and Cruella being knocked out by a frying pan (Tangled reference??).

      That's what I thought too, so the statue Ursula is not this Ursula, to me it just seems weird that there are three versions of the sea witch on the show, Regina, Ursula, and the statue Ursula, so does this mean that similar with Briar Rose and Aurora Ursula is Hans Christen Andersen's Little Mermaid and Ariel is Disney's Little Mermaid 

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    • I enjoyed the episode. Although Ursula is leaving early, they told of the Goddess of Old Ursula and Ursula, princess of the sea.

      Rumple was his most evil yet. The torture was rough and intense for this show, and I loved it. But, does this throw a wrench in the "Villains don't get happy endings". You could by pass it because Ursula didn't do anything evil, just change her forms from a mermaid to a cecaelia. Clever that the Author and the Sorcerer are in a battle and the Sorcerer trapped the Author behind a door in his own book!

      Lol Cruella knocked out by a pan! Why can't she have some animal companions with her?!

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    • TheEDIT: I am a little confused, because it seemed like Ursula left but she is confirmed to have filmed for multiple more episodes. Guess something keeps her in town after all. 

      I wonder if it meAns she'll be in flashbacks?

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    • ShadowLian wrote:

      EDIT: I am a little confused, because it seemed like Ursula left but she is confirmed to have filmed for multiple more episodes. Guess something keeps her in town after all. 

      Flashbacks!!!!

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    • ^could be that when the search leads outside of storybrooke, ursela comes back to open a water portal for them?

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    • She can't be in all the flashbacks that are coming in the next few episodes, can she? Next week, yes. But in two weeks is the Robin Hood episode. I don't think she's involved in those flashbacks? Then comes Cruella's episode. Then "Lily" which is her last episode, as it seems. 

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    • Em to Killian: "You found your happy ending, what is it???....

      Every Oncer & CSer on earth: 😲 "................. YOU!!!!!!!! IDIOT!!!!! Y...O...U!!!!! GEEZ!!!"

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    • What did Ariel say to Hook about some queen doing something to Blackbeard? What did she say exactly?

      And I have a feeling things may not end up well for Ursula after crossing the others. And I want to know more about the Dragon.

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    • Eruciform wrote:
      What did Ariel say to Hook about some queen doing something to Blackbeard? What did she say exactly?

      And I have a feeling things may not end up well for Ursula after crossing the others. And I want to know more about the Dragon.

      Blackbeard was attackng people so the queen ELSA somehow trapped the ship in a bottle 

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    • However she did that. 

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    • DZAV21 wrote: Em to Killian: "You found your happy ending, what is it???....

      Every Oncer & CSer on earth: 😲 "................. YOU!!!!!!!! IDIOT!!!!! Y...O...U!!!!! GEEZ!!!"

      I don't like Hook or ship anything, but that would have crushed my soul if I were Hook! , Emma wonders why every man leaves her, lol.

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    • I'm just wondering here, it seems like eventually it will just be down to Maleficent so do you think Cruella will find her happy ending like Ursula or do you think she'll die or something, it might be a little dark for the show, but it would be interesting if Cruella ended up being eaten alive by dalmatians or something 

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    • I think she will get her happy ending. 

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    • ^speaking of relationships...when Belle found out she was deceived by rumple....again...:0

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    • ShadowLian wrote: However she did that. 

      Clearly she used Ice magic to contract the size after Kristoff to a new job of glassmaking.

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    • Am I the only one who felt uncomfortable with that transition between Ursula and Hook in the cabin and her throwing him overboard?? Like a powerpoint presentation, side swipe.

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    • I cant believe tha author is in that page! why would the sorcerer trap the author in there? were they like mortal enemies or something?

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    • Vinc3ntN wrote: Am I the only one who felt uncomfortable with that transition between Ursula and Hook in the cabin and her throwing him overboard?? Like a powerpoint presentation, side swipe.

      Lol, I guess since she can't poof or splash-water teleport (like her father, lol), they decided let's go with an unconventional side-swipe of comedic effect.

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    • Vinc3ntN wrote:
      Am I the only one who felt uncomfortable with that transition between Ursula and Hook in the cabin and her throwing him overboard?? Like a powerpoint presentation, side swipe.


      LOL I thought that too

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    • I think it'll just be Rumple (and maybe evil Em) by the end of the season. I think once Cruella gets whatever she wants and Mal gets Lily back then they'll be Navengers...

      Crazy thought, what if Pongo is someone important to Cruella who was turned into a dog.

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    • TeamAli143 wrote:
      I cant believe tha author is in that page! why would the sorcerer trap the author in there? were they like mortal enemies or something?

      So that's why he has the author's books, that makes sense, this a weird theory, but could the sorcerer possibly be the Blue Fairy, also there's this new Gorrin character appearing next episode, could he be the sorcerer or author 

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    • I called the sorcerer being evil and the author good in a previous thread! Blue said they were two VERY different people in a way that made it sound like that. i just can't figure out why

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    • i think in the end itll be Rumple and Evil Emma

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    • They mentioned Peter Pan. I'm so happy!!

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    • Anubis16 wrote:
      TeamAli143 wrote:
      I cant believe tha author is in that page! why would the sorcerer trap the author in there? were they like mortal enemies or something?
      So that's why he has the author's books, that makes sense, this a weird theory, but could the sorcerer possibly be the Blue Fairy, also there's this new Gorrin character appearing next episode, could he be the sorcerer or author 


      Blue's interaction with Regina when she questioned her seems pretty like that Blue is not the sorcerer but probably knows who is...like why the heck did Regina not flat out ask her who it was?

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    • So , the sorcerer is evil , or the author is evil ??

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    • Isis Wolf wrote:
      So , the sorcerer is evil , or the author is evil ??

      im asking myself that same question

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    • Theauthorforsure wrote:

      Anubis16 wrote:
      TeamAli143 wrote:
      I cant believe tha author is in that page! why would the sorcerer trap the author in there? were they like mortal enemies or something?
      So that's why he has the author's books, that makes sense, this a weird theory, but could the sorcerer possibly be the Blue Fairy, also there's this new Gorrin character appearing next episode, could he be the sorcerer or author 


      Blue's interaction with Regina when she questioned her seems pretty like that Blue is not the sorcerer but probably knows who is...like why the heck did Regina not flat out ask her who it was?

      All Regina heard was blah blah blah sorcerer not author blah blah blah find him. It's a plothole, because after the fight they could have asked her. Maybe they'll talk to her now with this new clue.

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    • i'd say sorcerer...but i guess it COULD be the other way around. watch the scene of Blue adn Regina. based on that is seems like the Sorcerer is the bad one

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jktw3_yUq-c 

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    • Isis Wolf wrote:
      So , the sorcerer is evil , or the author is evil ??


      yes... me too.. i'm asking a same question here

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    • Oh yeah, The Dragon was mentioned! Season two callback!

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    • Elsa had help from the Rock Trolls to keep her kingdom safe, My guess is, since Disney made it clear that Elsa is good, her heart too pure to stain with any black, she shrank and trapped the ship rather then destroy it and everyone on it to protect her kingdom. Not knowing at the time that Ariel was there and in range of the spell at the time

      It was good that Elsa got a mention though

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    • Teyilia wrote: Elsa had help from the Rock Trolls to keep her kingdom safe, My guess is, since Disney made it clear that Elsa is good, her heart too pure to stain with any black, she shrank and trapped the ship rather then destroy it and everyone on it to protect her kingdom. Not knowing at the time that Ariel was there and in range of the spell at the time

      It was good that Elsa got a mention though

      But she can't shrink things. Maybe the trolls had mushrooms and Elsa snowed it onto the ship and put it and Ariel in a bottle.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Teyilia wrote: Elsa had help from the Rock Trolls to keep her kingdom safe, My guess is, since Disney made it clear that Elsa is good, her heart too pure to stain with any black, she shrank and trapped the ship rather then destroy it and everyone on it to protect her kingdom. Not knowing at the time that Ariel was there and in range of the spell at the time

      It was good that Elsa got a mention though

      But she can't shrink things. Maybe the trolls had mushrooms and Elsa snowed it onto the ship and put it and Ariel in a bottle.

      Exactly! So its possible of two things had been done, She used the Wishing Star, as we KNOW for a fact her heart is pure enough to use it, OR she went to the trolls for help

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    • I just find it hilarious that various people basically called this whole episode. Young Ursula being like Ariel, check. Jolly Roger in a bottle, check. Ursula losing her voice to Hook, check. Robin Hood and Regina seeing her Evil Queen self in a dream sequence, check. August talking about The Dragon, check. The only surprise of this episode was the reveal that The Sorcerer has trapped The Author in the book.

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    • Teyilia wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Teyilia wrote: Elsa had help from the Rock Trolls to keep her kingdom safe, My guess is, since Disney made it clear that Elsa is good, her heart too pure to stain with any black, she shrank and trapped the ship rather then destroy it and everyone on it to protect her kingdom. Not knowing at the time that Ariel was there and in range of the spell at the time

      It was good that Elsa got a mention though

      But she can't shrink things. Maybe the trolls had mushrooms and Elsa snowed it onto the ship and put it and Ariel in a bottle.

      Exactly! So its possible of two things had been done, She used the Wishing Star, as we KNOW for a fact her heart is pure enough to use it, OR she went to the trolls for help

      Yeah, wow is she abusing magic! I wish for chocolate, and maybe more chocolate...then Elsa would be Anna level of excitement!

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    • Now thanks to Elsa & Ursula, Killian is no longer homeless...

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Teyilia wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Teyilia wrote: Elsa had help from the Rock Trolls to keep her kingdom safe, My guess is, since Disney made it clear that Elsa is good, her heart too pure to stain with any black, she shrank and trapped the ship rather then destroy it and everyone on it to protect her kingdom. Not knowing at the time that Ariel was there and in range of the spell at the time

      It was good that Elsa got a mention though

      But she can't shrink things. Maybe the trolls had mushrooms and Elsa snowed it onto the ship and put it and Ariel in a bottle.
      Exactly! So its possible of two things had been done, She used the Wishing Star, as we KNOW for a fact her heart is pure enough to use it, OR she went to the trolls for help
      Yeah, wow is she abusing magic! I wish for chocolate, and maybe more chocolate...then Elsa would be Anna level of excitement!

      Well, to me, she did it to protect her kingdom from Blackbeard, not Hook; and she accidently trapped Ariel with the ship in the bottle

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    • Teyilia wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Teyilia wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Teyilia wrote: Elsa had help from the Rock Trolls to keep her kingdom safe, My guess is, since Disney made it clear that Elsa is good, her heart too pure to stain with any black, she shrank and trapped the ship rather then destroy it and everyone on it to protect her kingdom. Not knowing at the time that Ariel was there and in range of the spell at the time

      It was good that Elsa got a mention though

      But she can't shrink things. Maybe the trolls had mushrooms and Elsa snowed it onto the ship and put it and Ariel in a bottle.
      Exactly! So its possible of two things had been done, She used the Wishing Star, as we KNOW for a fact her heart is pure enough to use it, OR she went to the trolls for help
      Yeah, wow is she abusing magic! I wish for chocolate, and maybe more chocolate...then Elsa would be Anna level of excitement!

      Well, to me, she did it to protect her kingdom from Blackbeard, not Hook; and she accidently trapped Ariel with the ship in the bottle

      I know. She has a pure heart, unlike me. I would wish for world peace, stop the ogres' warring, no more wars, and no more snow!

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    • I cant wait to see what horrible thing Snow and Charming did to Maleficents kid, and I cant wait for the drama thats going to unfold once the secret comes out 

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    • The episode was interesting though. And it was nice they referenced so many characters (Peter Pan, Elsa, Blackbeard, Archie, The Dragon, etc.) and explained various issues in the plot, like why Ursula is a thousand year old goddess, and a somewhat powerful sea witch at the same time (one is a named after the other). I look forward to them fixing more plot issues as this season goes on.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Teyilia wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Teyilia wrote:


      Eskaver wrote:

      Teyilia wrote: Elsa had help from the Rock Trolls to keep her kingdom safe, My guess is, since Disney made it clear that Elsa is good, her heart too pure to stain with any black, she shrank and trapped the ship rather then destroy it and everyone on it to protect her kingdom. Not knowing at the time that Ariel was there and in range of the spell at the time

      It was good that Elsa got a mention though

      But she can't shrink things. Maybe the trolls had mushrooms and Elsa snowed it onto the ship and put it and Ariel in a bottle.
      Exactly! So its possible of two things had been done, She used the Wishing Star, as we KNOW for a fact her heart is pure enough to use it, OR she went to the trolls for help
      Yeah, wow is she abusing magic! I wish for chocolate, and maybe more chocolate...then Elsa would be Anna level of excitement!
      Well, to me, she did it to protect her kingdom from Blackbeard, not Hook; and she accidently trapped Ariel with the ship in the bottle
      I know. She has a pure heart, unlike me. I would wish for world peace, stop the ogres' warring, no more wars, and no more snow!

      Personally I'd wish to join Elsa or have her at my house, magic and memories all intact; but then since I also work sometimes on seasonal at Walt Disney World doing the part of Elsa during the sing along and sometimes during the meet and greet, that wish is pretty much filled for me right now

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    • Excellent ep tinight but one question: How come Ursula{statue} cared enough to step in when Regina impersonated her but not when a sea witch does evil in her name? Then again, she only threatened Regina and never bothered restoring Ariel's voice so I guess she doesn't really care about anything but her own rep.

      Also, I'm calling it that the Sorcerer is evil.

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    • im curious, does anybody know if therell be a season 5? i mean im surprised it hasnt gotten renewed yet, its such a popular show,if it did get renewed I think it should be like: in the last episode of season 4 , Rumple succeeds in filling Emmas heart with darkness, and then Season 5 has Emma as the main antagonist :) I think that would be cool 

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    • TeamAli143 wrote:
      im curious, does anybody know if therell be a season 5? i mean im surprised it hasnt gotten renewed yet, its such a popular show,if it did get renewed I think it should be like: in the last episode of season 4 , Rumple succeeds in filling Emmas heart with darkness, and then Season 5 has Emma as the main antagonist :) I think that would be cool 

      Renewals dont happen until may normally, at least from what I've been told

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    • Teyilia wrote:
      TeamAli143 wrote:
      im curious, does anybody know if therell be a season 5? i mean im surprised it hasnt gotten renewed yet, its such a popular show,if it did get renewed I think it should be like: in the last episode of season 4 , Rumple succeeds in filling Emmas heart with darkness, and then Season 5 has Emma as the main antagonist :) I think that would be cool 
      Renewals dont happen until may normally, at least from what I've been told

      oh ok thnx :) 

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    • the end episode promo showed a clip of the charmings running away with a cloth that appeared to be a child...so i'd say thats almost hope for the baby still being alive...hinting lily (hopeful)

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    • Great episode I guess there's no more Crursula since she left I was happy that King Poseidon was show a LOT more than Stefan last week but it;s a good thing Ursula got her voice back.

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    • I loved this episode so much! Once's take on Ursula and the Little Mermaid story was so cool. The sorcerer and author are going to be really interesting characters. I don't think the Sorcerer is necessarily evil just maybe very righteous and has a strong opinion of what is right and thats were he's a problem for some people.

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    • Avatar Beta wrote: Excellent ep tinight but one question: How come Ursula{statue} cared enough to step in when Regina impersonated her but not when a sea witch does evil in her name? Then again, she only threatened Regina and never bothered restoring Ariel's voice so I guess she doesn't really care about anything but her own rep.

      Also, I'm calling it that the Sorcerer is evil.

      I think it was because Regina pretended to act in her name and be her for selfish reasons. Blasphemy! Princess Ursula only wished to be like Ursula out of respect for her. Plus, Princess Ursula (in my theory) is related to her through Poseidon.

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    • I dunno. A magic stealing hat sounds like the creation of a power addict. 

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    • Teyilia wrote:
      TeamAli143 wrote:
      im curious, does anybody know if therell be a season 5? i mean im surprised it hasnt gotten renewed yet, its such a popular show,if it did get renewed I think it should be like: in the last episode of season 4 , Rumple succeeds in filling Emmas heart with darkness, and then Season 5 has Emma as the main antagonist :) I think that would be cool 
      Renewals dont happen until may normally, at least from what I've been told

      Yes, ABC is annoying that way, and doesn't confirm anything until May. It drives me crazy, but you can't fight the big mouse, lol.

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    • Avatar Beta wrote: I dunno. A magic stealing hat sounds like the creation of a power addict. 

      But we never saw him sending the Apprentice out to collect magic. All the Apprentice does is sweep, live a peaceful life, until someone wants to try to take the hat. The Sorcerer likely made the Dark Curse and he had a guardian over it too. He likely just guards powerful magic from the forces of evil, or anyone that's not him.

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    • Avatar Beta wrote:
      Excellent ep tinight but one question: How come Ursula{statue} cared enough to step in when Regina impersonated her but not when a sea witch does evil in her name? Then again, she only threatened Regina and never bothered restoring Ariel's voice so I guess she doesn't really care about anything but her own rep.

      Also, I'm calling it that the Sorcerer is evil.

      Maye the statue WAS this Ursula and the godess that this Ursula was talking about is dead or somethig, something must have happened to her if Poseidon is the ruler of the sea now 

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    • Hook got 2 happy endings. His ship Jolly Roger and Emma Swan!

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    • I'm so confused about the whole 'voice-stealing' at the end. Hook stole Ursula's voice so why did he need Poseidon to give it back? 

      They said that only the person who took it could give it back :/

      Huh? 

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    • Nuryas cullen wrote:
      Hook got 2 happy endings. His ship Jolly Roger and Emma Swan!

      Except, Gold plans to take it away by turning Emma evil.

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    • DSidd wrote:
      I'm so confused about the whole 'voice-stealing' at the end. Hook stole Ursula's voice so why did he need Poseidon to give it back? 

      They said that only the person who took it could give it back :/

      Huh? 

      It was "Who ever casted the spell"

      Killian may have used it, but poisedon enchanted the shell.

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    • DSidd wrote:
      I'm so confused about the whole 'voice-stealing' at the end. Hook stole Ursula's voice so why did he need Poseidon to give it back? 

      They said that only the person who took it could give it back :/

      Huh? 


      they said it was the one who enchanted it, not took it

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    • Vinc3ntN wrote:
      DSidd wrote:
      I'm so confused about the whole 'voice-stealing' at the end. Hook stole Ursula's voice so why did he need Poseidon to give it back? 

      They said that only the person who took it could give it back :/

      Huh? 

      It was "Who ever casted the spell"

      Killian may have used it, but poisedon enchanted the shell.


      Thanks for clearing that up! I was majorly confused!

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    • Nice tie-in with Ariel episode, with the bracelet that lets mermaids walk on land.

      Jolly Roger in a bottle!!!!

      So Ursula says she was banished to this (LWM) world. hmmm...

      (Still watching, so this will be a WIP, I guess) 

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    • Lol, Regina possessing people. Guess she watched Supernatural!

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    • Oh Snow is in twbule... I can't believe the Charming's are so pompous that they stole a child from her mother and sent her away just to prevent the small chance that their kid might be evil. Clearly the Charming's have never listened to Phil Collins or they'd know "No Words Describe A Mothers Tears, No Words Can Heal A Broken Heart."

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    • DZAV21 wrote: Oh Snow is in twbule... I can't believe the Charming's are so pompous that they stole a child from her mother and sent her away just to prevent the small chance that their kid might be evil. Clearly the Charming's have never listened to Phil Collins or they'd know "No Words Describe A Mothers Tears, No Words Can Heal A Broken Heart."

      Lol, maybe they were acting like child protective services or whatever and took the toadstool, magic addicted sorceresses baby from her for her own safety.

      I'm sure they regretted it as soon as they did it and they did it with the manipulation of the Sorcerer, since we see his apprentice in the promo.

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    • I love how Ariel is the voice of Hook's conscience.

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    • im a bit confused as to why was Ariel randomly there to save him, can somebody explain that to me?

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    • She was also trapped in the bottle with the ship.

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    • I will excuse this as a explainable thing (cough*plot contrivance), but why would teleporting and godly powered Poseidon not just take the shell from Hook. He could just teleport him away or teleport the shell to his vault. I know Killian is supposed to be clever, but he would be stomped by any magic user or deity out there.

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    • ^i had the same question...also - we know from ursela's "you're still breathing?" to hook at the end that she intended to kill him...why didn't she just choke him with her tenticles rather than throw him off in hopes he could not swim or something?

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    • Theauthorforsure wrote: ^i had the same question...also - we know from ursela's "you're still breathing?" to hook at the end that she intended to kill him...why didn't she just choke him with her tenticles rather than throw him off in hopes he could not swim or something?

      Plot-induced-stupidity, or just villain's cockiness. She knocked him out then dropped him in the water, instead of killing him. She doesn't seem to kill people.

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    • what a noob villain. i'm glad tho. hook has become one of my favorite characters

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    • So if Ursula is POseidon's daughter, Ariel is Triton's daughter? And who is ruling the sea world? and why this Ursulla is a villain? What the hell did she do? She did not do any sh*t except changing her fmermaid tail into tentacles.

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    • So Ursula is no longer a villain? But we never got to see her unleash any actual terrifying magic! I'm so tired of things like his only being mentioned but never seen! She said she's now more powerful then her father after turning herself into an octo-lady (Forgot the correct term for it) but we never got to see her unleash any of that power! All we saw were her tentacles and if anything her ability to retrieve stuff from different lands and almost get her voice back on her own. But I was hoping for thunder storms and ocean storms and stuff like that! I'm glad she got what she wanted and seems to have turned over a new leaf but I just feel like it happened too soon. It was a good episode overall despite what I felt like was still missing.

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    • Teehee.heehee.9 wrote: So if Ursula is POseidon's daughter, Ariel is Triton's daughter? And who is ruling the sea world?

      The Ocean realm is probably like the Enchanted Forest.... there are many different kingdoms.

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    • Teehee.heehee.9 wrote: So if Ursula is POseidon's daughter, Ariel is Triton's daughter? And who is ruling the sea world?

      They may rule separate seas, or there is no Triton.

      Also, we have a new Kingdom of the Fairytale World (or Enchanted Forest), Glowerhaven, which is a kingdom from "The Little Mermaid", the princess of which was an possible interest in Prince Eric.

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    • I loved this episode! Really, really loved it!

      • I'll start off with Regina because I'm a stupid fankid, but she's so amazingly clever, and Lana did an incredible job at looking concerned-with-a-poker-face for August, horrified when Gold was torturing him and suddenly intersted when he spilt that the door is in Storybrooke. That's the conflicted character I love!
      • Season One continuity! I love when they throw some nod back at it!
      • They made Ursula, both flashback and present day, infinitely interesting. I love how she has grown on me with her backstory, I love how once again evil was made and not born. And I also love how they pulled an elegant explanation about the leg-providing Sea Goddess vs Sea Bitch apparent unclerity with the namesake thing. Anyways, I rooted for her so much that, after too much Supernatural and Game of Thrones, I was really afraid they'd kill her off because "villains don't get happy endings".
      • Speaking of which, I really had to force down my throat the Author's existence and the fact he decided of everyone's fate. So not only was I happy for Ursula getting her happy ending because the character grew on me, but also because of what Ariel said: villains don't get happy endings because they go about them in the wrong way. There's still hope for free will and "find your own happiness working for it" in the Onceverse!
      • By the way, Ariel turning out to be actually useful is the greatest twist on her character e-v-e-r.
      • The nod to Elsa: I loved it!
      • August's "interrogation" was the most insanely twisted, sick, creepy and freaking awesome take on the Pinocchio fairytale EVER. THIS is the OUAT I love!

      There were a few things I was underwelmed by, though.

      • I so hoped we could collectively forget about the Dragon, just Rock Troll style, and take it as the plot hole / continuity error it was. But since they brought him up, I hope they're going to address how he could use magic in the Land Without Magic, why he was there in the first place and thus close the biggest inconsistency still pending from Season Two, courtesy of the ever-damned Home Office subplot.
      • Killian and Emma's scene. Yeah, I know it was supposed to be a big turning point in their relationship and a huge growth occasion for Emma as a character, but it just fell flat. It felt rushed and contrived to me, but perhaps because I was anxious to know whether Ursula would make it for the last five minutes or Gold would get her first. Maybe I'll change my mind rewatching the episode and knowing she's going to be fine.
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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Teehee.heehee.9 wrote: So if Ursula is POseidon's daughter, Ariel is Triton's daughter? And who is ruling the sea world?

      They may rule separate seas, or there is no Triton.

      Also, we have a new Kingdom of the Fairytale World (or Enchanted Forest), Glowerhaven, which is a kingdom from "The Little Mermaid", the princess of which was an possible interest in Prince Eric.

      Glowerhaven? When was this mentioned?

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    • Eskaver wrote: Also, we have a new Kingdom of the Fairytale World (or Enchanted Forest), Glowerhaven, which is a kingdom from "The Little Mermaid", the princess of which was an possible interest in Prince Eric.

      Though on OUaT, Glowerhaven is probably the name of Eric's kingdom.

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    • Beekee404 wrote:
      So Ursula is no longer a villain? But we never got to see her unleash any actual terrifying magic! I'm so tired of things like his only being mentioned but never seen! She said she's now more powerful then her father after turning herself into an octo-lady (Forgot the correct term for it) but we never got to see her unleash any of that power! All we saw were her tentacles and if anything her ability to retrieve stuff from different lands and almost get her voice back on her own. But I was hoping for thunder storms and ocean storms and stuff like that! I'm glad she got what she wanted and seems to have turned over a new leaf but I just feel like it happened too soon. It was a good episode overall despite what I felt like was still missing.

      Well, we may see something in flashback.

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    • I love how Cruella just flirts with everyone. First Charming and now August.

      Come on Cruella, he was underaged only a couple hours ago. 

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    • Teehee.heehee.9 wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Teehee.heehee.9 wrote: So if Ursula is POseidon's daughter, Ariel is Triton's daughter? And who is ruling the sea world?

      They may rule separate seas, or there is no Triton.

      Also, we have a new Kingdom of the Fairytale World (or Enchanted Forest), Glowerhaven, which is a kingdom from "The Little Mermaid", the princess of which was an possible interest in Prince Eric.

      Glowerhaven? When was this mentioned?

      Ursula wanted to travel there and Hook said he'll provide passage. Nothing major, but it was mentioned at least once. Now in Once it could still be a kingdom or just a town far away.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Eskaver wrote: Also, we have a new Kingdom of the Fairytale World (or Enchanted Forest), Glowerhaven, which is a kingdom from "The Little Mermaid", the princess of which was an possible interest in Prince Eric.

      Though on OUaT, Glowerhaven is probably the name of Eric's kingdom.

      Quick! Someone with a twitter go ask Adam and Eddy! Then we can finally not call it Maritime Kingdom, when it was said to be a maritime kingdom. I might just make on to ask. Or it'll be a neighboring maritime kingdom.

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    • Beekee404 wrote:
      So Ursula is no longer a villain? But we never got to see her unleash any actual terrifying magic! I'm so tired of things like his only being mentioned but never seen! She said she's now more powerful then her father after turning herself into an octo-lady (Forgot the correct term for it) but we never got to see her unleash any of that power! All we saw were her tentacles and if anything her ability to retrieve stuff from different lands and almost get her voice back on her own. But I was hoping for thunder storms and ocean storms and stuff like that! I'm glad she got what she wanted and seems to have turned over a new leaf but I just feel like it happened too soon. It was a good episode overall despite what I felt like was still missing.


      I'm kinda glad she's out of the picture, tbh. We can't take three villains + bonus Rumple at a time. Cruella was being awesome, Ursula was a wallflower (and Maleficent still ashes). Maleficent was being awesome, Cruella and Ursula were wallflowers. Ursula was being awesome, Maleficent and Cruella were wallflowers. Narrowing it down to two awesome villains + bonus Rumple, maybe both Cruella and Maleficent will be awesome at the same time.

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    • That awkward moment you realize that Rumple is the only true villain... Killian & Regina just lost there first loves but are redeemed by finding there true ones. TQOD'S just lost what there most beloved possessions. Cora pulled her own heart out. Auntie Vanilla just wanted her sisters love. Zelena,.... Was just bat s@it crazy. Rumple only wants power.

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    • I like this episode. Ursula got her happy ending and I think Cruella is next. also I think Maleficent is going to get her happy ending is episode 19 or 20.

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    • I'm just so happy that Ursually didn't die. This gives me hope that Cruella won't die as well. She barely has any screentime this episode, but every lines of her is awesome!

      A very great episode! Every scenes is spectacular. August and Emma's friendship warms my heart. Ursula and Poseidon's reunion almost made me shed a tear, and let's not forgert about CaptainSwan moment. Priceless! 

      Next episode is looking awesome as well! Damn, 4b is totally at par with Season 1's greatness, and it may becomes even better in my opinion. 

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    • well for once I'm interested in Ursula and this episode was great.

      • Ursula getting her happy ending was great. I love the whole sequence and the sound was just like in the little mermaid
      • ARIEL! so glad she was back, even for a few seconds.
      • at least Once knows that the Frozen arc happened.
      • this Poseidon was awesome. him being the Ursula role n the story was cool
      • speaking about Ursula, at least the know about the plot-hole and fixed it. it was kind of a god twist on the character.
      • August being back was great. made me remember how much I loved him in season 1
      • Best Laid Plans promo- I am so excited for this. we get to see Snowing be more annoying and Mal being nice. sleeping curse on Storybrooke was an idea I had a while ago.

      so all and all, a fantastic episode, next week shall be great.

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    • Eruciform wrote:
      What did Ariel say to Hook about some queen doing something to Blackbeard? What did she say exactly?

      And I have a feeling things may not end up well for Ursula after crossing the others. And I want to know more about the Dragon.

      Ariel told Hook about how Blackbeard shook down Arendelle Royals (Anna and Kristoff in Fall), then Elsa shrunk his ship and the surrounding water (in which Ariel was swimming) as punishment, trapping it in the bottle.

      This part is speculation; Apparently, since the ship was empty, Elsa probably imprisoned Blackbeard and crew in Arendelle or left him stranded on land. Ariel probably teamed up with her, as she knew enough about Elsa to tell Hook what happened, and much like Ingrid, Elsa expanded her knowledge of magic to beyond just cryokinesis.

      But why was Ariel away from Eric, is my question. And will we ever see Ursula the Deity ever again? The YNB version?

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    • "be careful mate. it's unwise to insult the size of a pirate's ship" oh I see what you did there Once XD

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Eruciform wrote:
      What did Ariel say to Hook about some queen doing something to Blackbeard? What did she say exactly?

      And I have a feeling things may not end up well for Ursula after crossing the others. And I want to know more about the Dragon.

      Ariel told Hook about how Blackbeard shook down Arendelle Royals (Anna and Kristoff in Fall), then Elsa shrunk his ship and the surrounding water (in which Ariel was swimming) as punishment, trapping it in the bottle.

      This part is speculation; Apparently, since the ship was empty, Elsa probably imprisoned Blackbeard and crew in Arendelle or left him stranded on land. Ariel probably teamed up with her, as she knew enough about Elsa to tell Hook what happened, and much like Ingrid, Elsa expanded her knowledge of magic to beyond just cryokinesis.

      But why was Ariel away from Eric, is my question. And will we ever see Ursula the Deity ever again? The YNB version?

      Personally I am thinkiing that Elsa either had the Trolls do it, or use the Wishing Star, My personal prefernce is the Wishing Star makes the most sense to do such magic as Elsa has the heart pure enough to use it without paying a price, since the only price the Wishing Star needs is a pure heart, Elsa has just that. Best case scenario she marooned Blackbeard and his crew or imprisoned them; but until we know FOR SURE of how she got the ship into that bottle, I'm keeping with my Using the Wishing Star or Troll Magic to do it

      And no, Disney company stated that Elsa knows only Ice Magic

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    • Teyilia wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Eruciform wrote:
      What did Ariel say to Hook about some queen doing something to Blackbeard? What did she say exactly?

      And I have a feeling things may not end up well for Ursula after crossing the others. And I want to know more about the Dragon.

      Ariel told Hook about how Blackbeard shook down Arendelle Royals (Anna and Kristoff in Fall), then Elsa shrunk his ship and the surrounding water (in which Ariel was swimming) as punishment, trapping it in the bottle.

      This part is speculation; Apparently, since the ship was empty, Elsa probably imprisoned Blackbeard and crew in Arendelle or left him stranded on land. Ariel probably teamed up with her, as she knew enough about Elsa to tell Hook what happened, and much like Ingrid, Elsa expanded her knowledge of magic to beyond just cryokinesis.

      But why was Ariel away from Eric, is my question. And will we ever see Ursula the Deity ever again? The YNB version?

      Personally I am thinkiing that Elsa either had the Trolls do it, or use the Wishing Star, My personal prefernce is the Wishing Star makes the most sense to do such magic as Elsa has the heart pure enough to use it without paying a price, since the only price the Wishing Star needs is a pure heart, Elsa has just that. Best case scenario she marooned Blackbeard and his crew or imprisoned them; but until we know FOR SURE of how she got the ship into that bottle, I'm keeping with my Using the Wishing Star or Troll Magic to do it

      And no, Disney company stated that Elsa knows only Ice Magic

      But Once Elsa isn't the same as Disney Elsa. Disney Elsa apparently changes out of that god-awful ice dress into a flowery one in Frozen Fever, and presumably into some more in the sequel, both of which I'm assuming happen before Once's story apparently does.

      So who's to say she didn't learn some cool magic tricks from Ingrid's library?

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Teyilia wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Eruciform wrote:
      What did Ariel say to Hook about some queen doing something to Blackbeard? What did she say exactly?

      And I have a feeling things may not end up well for Ursula after crossing the others. And I want to know more about the Dragon.

      Ariel told Hook about how Blackbeard shook down Arendelle Royals (Anna and Kristoff in Fall), then Elsa shrunk his ship and the surrounding water (in which Ariel was swimming) as punishment, trapping it in the bottle.

      This part is speculation; Apparently, since the ship was empty, Elsa probably imprisoned Blackbeard and crew in Arendelle or left him stranded on land. Ariel probably teamed up with her, as she knew enough about Elsa to tell Hook what happened, and much like Ingrid, Elsa expanded her knowledge of magic to beyond just cryokinesis.

      But why was Ariel away from Eric, is my question. And will we ever see Ursula the Deity ever again? The YNB version?

      Personally I am thinkiing that Elsa either had the Trolls do it, or use the Wishing Star, My personal prefernce is the Wishing Star makes the most sense to do such magic as Elsa has the heart pure enough to use it without paying a price, since the only price the Wishing Star needs is a pure heart, Elsa has just that. Best case scenario she marooned Blackbeard and his crew or imprisoned them; but until we know FOR SURE of how she got the ship into that bottle, I'm keeping with my Using the Wishing Star or Troll Magic to do it

      And no, Disney company stated that Elsa knows only Ice Magic

      But Once Elsa isn't the same as Disney Elsa. Disney Elsa apparently changes out of that god-awful ice dress into a flowery one in Frozen Fever, and presumably into some more in the sequel, both of which I'm assuming happen before Once's story apparently does.

      So who's to say she didn't learn some cool magic tricks from Ingrid's library?

      Elsa does still have the Wishing Star, which I am sticking to that theory until shown otherwise on the show as the season finishes of where the Wishing Star currently is. If there is no more mention of the Wishing Star, nor mention of how Elsa trapped the ship, be it a spell from her aunts books, or Troll Magic, or the Wishing Star, then we can all just agree to disagree on the topic. Elsa only knows Ice Magic, and her heart is too pure to kill anyone; Ingrid knew more because she had more time to learn. I am glad for the mention though, I'm happy for that much

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    • Teyilia wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Teyilia wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Eruciform wrote:
      What did Ariel say to Hook about some queen doing something to Blackbeard? What did she say exactly?

      And I have a feeling things may not end up well for Ursula after crossing the others. And I want to know more about the Dragon.

      Ariel told Hook about how Blackbeard shook down Arendelle Royals (Anna and Kristoff in Fall), then Elsa shrunk his ship and the surrounding water (in which Ariel was swimming) as punishment, trapping it in the bottle.

      This part is speculation; Apparently, since the ship was empty, Elsa probably imprisoned Blackbeard and crew in Arendelle or left him stranded on land. Ariel probably teamed up with her, as she knew enough about Elsa to tell Hook what happened, and much like Ingrid, Elsa expanded her knowledge of magic to beyond just cryokinesis.

      But why was Ariel away from Eric, is my question. And will we ever see Ursula the Deity ever again? The YNB version?

      Personally I am thinkiing that Elsa either had the Trolls do it, or use the Wishing Star, My personal prefernce is the Wishing Star makes the most sense to do such magic as Elsa has the heart pure enough to use it without paying a price, since the only price the Wishing Star needs is a pure heart, Elsa has just that. Best case scenario she marooned Blackbeard and his crew or imprisoned them; but until we know FOR SURE of how she got the ship into that bottle, I'm keeping with my Using the Wishing Star or Troll Magic to do it

      And no, Disney company stated that Elsa knows only Ice Magic

      But Once Elsa isn't the same as Disney Elsa. Disney Elsa apparently changes out of that god-awful ice dress into a flowery one in Frozen Fever, and presumably into some more in the sequel, both of which I'm assuming happen before Once's story apparently does.

      So who's to say she didn't learn some cool magic tricks from Ingrid's library?

      Elsa does still have the Wishing Star, which I am sticking to that theory until shown otherwise on the show as the season finishes of where the Wishing Star currently is. If there is no more mention of the Wishing Star, nor mention of how Elsa trapped the ship, be it a spell from her aunts books, or Troll Magic, or the Wishing Star, then we can all just agree to disagree on the topic. Elsa only knows Ice Magic, and her heart is too pure to kill anyone; Ingrid knew more because she had more time to learn. I am glad for the mention though, I'm happy for that much

      Considering Anna is wearing a completely different necklace with her wedding dress, and the fact that it's not seen again after Elsa uses it, I'm assuming the Wishing Star is a one-time use item which was probably destroyed.

      But like you said, agree to disagree.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Teyilia wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Teyilia wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Eruciform wrote:
      What did Ariel say to Hook about some queen doing something to Blackbeard? What did she say exactly?

      And I have a feeling things may not end up well for Ursula after crossing the others. And I want to know more about the Dragon.

      Ariel told Hook about how Blackbeard shook down Arendelle Royals (Anna and Kristoff in Fall), then Elsa shrunk his ship and the surrounding water (in which Ariel was swimming) as punishment, trapping it in the bottle.

      This part is speculation; Apparently, since the ship was empty, Elsa probably imprisoned Blackbeard and crew in Arendelle or left him stranded on land. Ariel probably teamed up with her, as she knew enough about Elsa to tell Hook what happened, and much like Ingrid, Elsa expanded her knowledge of magic to beyond just cryokinesis.

      But why was Ariel away from Eric, is my question. And will we ever see Ursula the Deity ever again? The YNB version?

      Personally I am thinkiing that Elsa either had the Trolls do it, or use the Wishing Star, My personal prefernce is the Wishing Star makes the most sense to do such magic as Elsa has the heart pure enough to use it without paying a price, since the only price the Wishing Star needs is a pure heart, Elsa has just that. Best case scenario she marooned Blackbeard and his crew or imprisoned them; but until we know FOR SURE of how she got the ship into that bottle, I'm keeping with my Using the Wishing Star or Troll Magic to do it

      And no, Disney company stated that Elsa knows only Ice Magic

      But Once Elsa isn't the same as Disney Elsa. Disney Elsa apparently changes out of that god-awful ice dress into a flowery one in Frozen Fever, and presumably into some more in the sequel, both of which I'm assuming happen before Once's story apparently does.

      So who's to say she didn't learn some cool magic tricks from Ingrid's library?

      Elsa does still have the Wishing Star, which I am sticking to that theory until shown otherwise on the show as the season finishes of where the Wishing Star currently is. If there is no more mention of the Wishing Star, nor mention of how Elsa trapped the ship, be it a spell from her aunts books, or Troll Magic, or the Wishing Star, then we can all just agree to disagree on the topic. Elsa only knows Ice Magic, and her heart is too pure to kill anyone; Ingrid knew more because she had more time to learn. I am glad for the mention though, I'm happy for that much
      Considering Anna is wearing a completely different necklace with her wedding dress, and the fact that it's not seen again after Elsa uses it, I'm assuming the Wishing Star is a one-time use item which was probably destroyed.

      But like you said, agree to disagree.

      Emma held it briefly in Fall after Elsa wished Anna to safety so it wasn't destroyd; when Elsa returned to Arendelle she had it still is my guessing due to the cloth pouch on Elsas... belt thing... on her dress, and yes Anna had a differnet necklace on for her wedding, her mothers actual necklace. I dont think the wishing star was a one time use item though. but yeah, agree to disagree is good :)

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    • DZAV21 wrote: That awkward moment you realize that Rumple is the only true villain... Killian & Regina just lost there first loves but are redeemed by finding there true ones. TQOD'S just lost what there most beloved possessions. Cora pulled her own heart out. Auntie Vanilla just wanted her sisters love. Zelena,.... Was just bat s@it crazy. Rumple only wants power.

      Well, Rumplestiltskin was only trying to save his son in the beginning. In that way, he's not so different from the other villains. I think the only thing that separates him from the others is that he cannot let go of the power he was given, and he's been evil so much longer.

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    • Nice to see Ursula and her father reconciled, and the kid finally got her own page.

      Now, in H.A.W.X Language, I'll make a rundown of the episode result (I'll call Regina "Allied Bomber", Rumple "Enemy Bomber Lead", and the remaining Queens of Darkness are "Wings 1,2, and 3", depending on the order of recruitment):

      "Report: Allied Bomber infiltration unit maintaining position. Enemy still combat effective at 84%. Bomber Wing 1 has turned ally and broke formation, but Enemy Bomber Lead, Wings 2 and 3 are still active and have set new bombing run course directly on target Emma Swan. Enemy bombers presence acknowledged but currently untrackable. This is now a confirmed Tier-III Threat. Advise raising Storybrooke Alert Status to Cisco("C")."

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    • TeamAli143 wrote:
      Isis Wolf wrote:
      So , the sorcerer is evil , or the author is evil ??
      im asking myself that same question


      Have you ever thought, that the sorcerer and the Author could have been in a relationship? Maybe one of them is actually the grown up Lily character or someone else and was betraied by the other party, the author, therfore imprissioning him/her?

      BTW There is still a possability, eventhough it is very very slight, that Emma is Mal's baby.


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    • This is the first time that they released a poster for an episode

      http://40.media.tumblr.com/be55c18ce2795196634b6da6cee179b9/tumblr_nlmnhoELkB1rt41q9o1_1280.png

      Maybe "Sympathy for the De Vil" will have it, too

      But it's so unfair that "Enter The Dragon" didn't get one

      Or they're saving it for "Best Laid Plans" ???

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    • MBrody wrote:

      DZAV21 wrote: That awkward moment you realize that Rumple is the only true villain... Killian & Regina just lost there first loves but are redeemed by finding there true ones. TQOD'S just lost what there most beloved possessions. Cora pulled her own heart out. Auntie Vanilla just wanted her sisters love. Zelena,.... Was just bat s@it crazy. Rumple only wants power.

      Well, Rumplestiltskin was only trying to save his son in the beginning. In that way, he's not so different from the other villains. I think the only thing that separates him from the others is that he cannot let go of the power he was given, and he's been evil so much longer.


      Agreed that he wanted to save Neal at first, but now its like he doesn't even care about his son anymore, he is constantly dishonoring Neal's memory his legacy and the deathbed promise he made to him.

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    • Killian said himself he was a villain, so how can he get his happy ending with Emma? And if Killian can get his happy ending, why can't Regina or the others?

      And seriously, why on earth they don't make a Will centred episode, as in the OUAT view, he bumped up from nowhere...

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    • Disneian wrote: Killian said himself he was a villain, so how can he get his happy ending with Emma? And if Killian can get his happy ending, why can't Regina or the others?

      And seriously, why on earth they don't make a Will centred episode, as in the OUAT view, he bumped up from nowhere...

      The crazy thing is that Killian gets all his ships, lol. He sacrifices his ship for Emma and then he gets it back. It sort of ruins a powerful sacrifice for Emma to just get it back again. I think it is more that villains don't get continuous happiness, which is just what real-life is.

      Will is given the Belle role, of useful do-gooder, while Belle looks sad.

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    • Something important I took away from the episode was Ariel telling Hook that villans never get their happy endings because they go about getting them the wrong way.  It's not their intention, but the way they act (threats, lies, kidnapping, murder, etc.).  So that meant that any of the villans could just stop being villanous and get their happy ending.  Urusla got her voice back, but she also made peace with her father.  So kind of like the whole you need to deserve your happy ending.

      I loved Hook being all you're my happy ending, and she's totally cluesless.  Typical Emma.  

      Also, I noticed that Ursula said she had been banished to this land.  I hope we'll see how she ended up in NYC.  Did she not have the ability to travel through different worlds because she was outside of Storybrook (no magic)?  Seemed like she could have found a way home, or somewhere she'd have a better life, so probably she needed magic.  

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    • Vinc3ntN wrote: I'm quite disappointed. I want Ursula to stay around for a little longer. 

      Ursula is not done yet, she is listed for more episodes.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      Vinc3ntN wrote: I'm quite disappointed. I want Ursula to stay around for a little longer. 

      Ursula is not done yet, she is listed for more episodes.


      I think it's going to be in flashbacks, but I kinda hope she'll come back to help the heroes every now and then.

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    • Oh good, maybe she'll become a Navengers.

      Regina said Cruella use to play with pups. Am I the only one thinking Pongo is really Cruella's dog?

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    • First of all, I like how characters come and go for minor scenes (Aurora, Ariel, Robin Hood), anyone knows if Sarah Bogler is coming back? I thought she was listed for more than one episode. 

      Also, this episode felt different. I suppose its because it was not Maleficent-centric like most of the other 4B episodes. I loved it anyway .

      I also loved that "Happy Ending" means various things for our characters and not just "true love". 

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      Vinc3ntN wrote: I'm quite disappointed. I want Ursula to stay around for a little longer. 

      Ursula is not done yet, she is listed for more episodes.

      Quite likely, at least for the remainder of this arc, we will only see Ursula in reference to TQoD in flashbacks.  Her presence in Storybrooke, at least for now, is done.  But, they didn't kill her, they gave her a happy ending, so we can possibly look forward to seeing her again in the future, possibly.  Maybe Ursula (the sea witch) and Ariel can become friends.

      Overall, a very satisfying episode, and (imho) Colin really deserves at least an Emmy nomination for his performances that past 2 weeks.  He has REALLY brought his game to the table.

      I loved the growing nose Pinnochio, and it was just the right amount of comic relief needed for an otherwise very dark interrogation.

      The pacing still could be better, but I like that they are starting to allow it to slow down so that we can really FEEL the emotions, rather than rushing those scenes.

      Once really seems to be taking care to tie up continuity issues. Goddess Ursula vs Mermaid Ursula; the Jolly Roger; call outs for Elsa, Pan, Neverland.  The show seems to have found it's stride this half season.

      And, the use of Ariel's theme from TLM for Ursula's voice was, at least imo, priceless.

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    • Really ? One of the best episodes ever got 1.8 rating ?

      I mean ... C'mon !!! For real ???

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    • Nicolas Frost wrote: Really ? One of the best episodes ever got 1.8 rating ?

      I mean ... C'mon !!! For real ???

      It's not bad considering almost every other program for the night was lower than that. It simply means few people watch tv.

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    • Nicolas Frost wrote: Really ? One of the best episodes ever got 1.8 rating ?

      I mean ... C'mon !!! For real ???

      Well, I would say that that must be the consistent audience for Once, to get a 1.7-2.0. I assume that the season premiere was Frozen influx, and the midseason premeire was the casual interest in the Queens of Darkness. Other than that, TV viewership is on the decline anyway.

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    • This episode was great from beginning to end :D did anyone else noticed the jabberwocky soundtrack in the scene where gold is taking august close to the fire? It was great, a i got a lot stress in that scene. For a moment I thought they had caught Regina (they way they looked at her) XD

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    • D.Prince wrote: This episode was great from beginning to end :D did anyone else noticed the jabberwocky soundtrack in the scene where gold is taking august close to the fire? It was great, a i got a lot stress in that scene. For a moment I thought they had caught Regina (they way they looked at her) XD

      I definitely did. I was watching it and was like this sounds like Jabber's theme, but a bit slower.

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    • I also heard Wonderland's theme song when Ursula dropped the potion on the bottle, am I correct ?

      And yes, they reused Evil Queen's costume :)

      I thought they would waste money making another new dress for just one scene only as usual

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    • Pinocchio's nose scene was hard to watch. The CGI nose was so bad, and the scene was trying to be so serious, it was comical. 

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    • and I'm sure Ariel's reason for leaving Eric was that she saved Blackbeard (with a good reason, of course) and felt the responsibilty to help stop him from terrorizing people. 


      And, as far as Gold being a villian without good intentions, my hope is they give us a reason for him being the way he is... Maybe he is trying to get Neal written back into the story, or maybe he feels he has actually lost everything, so he might as well go all out. He still has a grandson he loves(?) so that's confusing. 

      It's just kind of weird having a character/antihero with so much depth, that you felt like you understood, go to being a villian without cause. 

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    • I don't think Elsa shrunk the Jolly Roger. I think she just froze it but then it got shrunk somehow. Because it looks like the water in the bottle is frozen over. 

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    • AppleTree23 wrote:
      Pinocchio's nose scene was hard to watch. The CGI nose was so bad, and the scene was trying to be so serious, it was comical. 


      Was it though? I think it's because we all know its CGI that it looked fake and couldn't really look believable. I think it looked ok.

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    • Am I the only one wondering if Regina could always posses people then why didn't she use that to kill Snow all along??

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    • DZAV21 wrote: Am I the only one wondering if Regina could always posses people then why didn't she use that to kill Snow all along??

      Great power, but it, like most magic, is a plot contrivance. Or she got that idea from watching Supernatural. Nice Purple and green cloud. I thought purple and black was her color.

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    • DZAV21 wrote:
      Am I the only one wondering if Regina could always posses people then why didn't she use that to kill Snow all along??

      I don't think it was a possession, I think it was just channeling her voice through Mary Margaret.

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    • I thought this episode was interesting. From the singing of Ursula, to the voice channeling by Regina, to that twisty ending. It was overall an 8.5. Judging from the promo I really think Emma will go dark at the end of the 16th episode and since there's no Easter episode, that will be the cliffhanger we will be left with for 2 weeks. I also thought it extremely random how Ursula got her happy ending this fast. It makes me wonder if hers was just really simple, and that is why it was able to be done easily, or what. It kind of overrides the villains not getting happy endings, like with Hook. Regina seems to believe the world is out to get her and the Author holds her fate and somehow I think that might destroy her happy ending. I also think the author controlling everyone, seems to be getting in everyone except Belle and Will's heads. I am really surprised Belle isn't all over this because she is so into books.

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    • I loved this episode. I have to say, I laughed when Regina used Snow like her own little speaker. Also, I'm happy that they found a way to not kill Ursula. Lastly, I'm glad that we got little mentions of Arendale, and also that Black Beard got punished for his part in the attempted murder of Anna and Kristoff.

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    • Charmcityreader wrote: 

      Also, I noticed that Ursula said she had been banished to this land.  I hope we'll see how she ended up in NYC.  Did she not have the ability to travel through different worlds because she was outside of Storybrook (no magic)?  Seemed like she could have found a way home, or somewhere she'd have a better life, so probably she needed magic.  

      I don't think it's a matter of not having magic. Rumple mentioned in Neverland that all the waters are connected, and Ariel had no problem moving to and from Neverland. But in Ursula's case, she said she "hadn't set a toe in the sea since [she] was banished to this land." So there might be a sort of imposed exile, whether by Ursula herself, or a condition of her banishment.

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    • Dan Fox wrote:
      I thought this episode was interesting. From the singing of Ursula, to the voice channeling by Regina, to that twisty ending. It was overall an 8.5. Judging from the promo I really think Emma will go dark at the end of the 16th episode and since there's no Easter episode, that will be the cliffhanger we will be left with for 2 weeks. I also thought it extremely random how Ursula got her happy ending this fast. It makes me wonder if hers was just really simple, and that is why it was able to be done easily, or what. It kind of overrides the villains not getting happy endings, like with Hook. Regina seems to believe the world is out to get her and the Author holds her fate and somehow I think that might destroy her happy ending. I also think the author controlling everyone, seems to be getting in everyone except Belle and Will's heads. I am really surprised Belle isn't all over this because she is so into books.

      Hmmm...perhaps the Author is somehow manipulating things to secure his/her freedom?

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    • DZAV21 wrote:
      Am I the only one wondering if Regina could always posses people then why didn't she use that to kill Snow all along??

      probably because possessing a body exposed her to the same dangers that body faces, i.e., if Snow were to die with Regina possessing her, Regina would die as well? Also,

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      I don't think it was a possession, I think it was just channeling her voice through Mary Margaret.

      ... and I would agree. We don't know if Regina actually shifted her consciousness into Mary Margaret, or used her as conduit/relay. When Regina creates/releases the smoke, we see her concentrating, but the camera shifts before we see if she goes into a trance or something. Lastly, she said she had "to make this fast", and whether that is a condition of the spell or just to avoid discovery, we can't say.

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    • Nakis91 wrote:
      AppleTree23 wrote:
      Pinocchio's nose scene was hard to watch. The CGI nose was so bad, and the scene was trying to be so serious, it was comical. 

      Was it though? I think it's because we all know its CGI that it looked fake and couldn't really look believable. I think it looked ok.



      I guess you have a point about the cgi. I know the show can't afford movie level aminations (which is why King Trition comes out of a sprinkler lol). I guess to me, the premise of his nose growing was so silly in such a dramatic scene, it came off odd. 

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    • DZAV21 wrote:
      Am I the only one wondering if Regina could always posses people then why didn't she use that to kill Snow all along??


      Well, they have kind of said that Regina didn't really want to kill Snow, deep down, because she had so many oppurtunities and didn't take them. Like in that flashback scene where Regina is "Wilma" and asks Snow if she wants to be a family again. Or when Snow stops Regina's execution. I also feel like that's why she wanted to "give her a fate worse than death", because she somewhere in her heart didn't have it in her to kill Snow. 

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    • I really didn't get how changing her tail into tentacles suddenly made her more powerful then her father.

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    • The Silent Whoopie Cushion wrote:
      I really didn't get how changing her tail into tentacles suddenly made her more powerful then her father.

      I think it's either the form actually imparted more powers while strengthening others (thereby being more powerful than "ordinary merfolk"), or, by assuming the form of the ancient sea-goddess Ursula granted her some of the goddess' powers. Or a combination of both. just my thoughts.

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    • Fragile Daydreamer wrote:

      The Silent Whoopie Cushion wrote:
      I really didn't get how changing her tail into tentacles suddenly made her more powerful then her father.

      I think it's either the form actually imparted more powers while strengthening others (thereby being more powerful than "ordinary merfolk"), or, by assuming the form of the ancient sea-goddess Ursula granted her some of the goddess' powers. Or a combination of both. just my thoughts.

      Well, that's nice, but we never saw her do much of anything with those supposed powers. Even Regina dismissed Ursula and Cruella's powers. Poseidon teleported, restrained (like Cora's blue magic), enchanted and etc. Ursula pretty much had her mermaid powers and forever long tentacles.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Fragile Daydreamer wrote:

      The Silent Whoopie Cushion wrote:
      I really didn't get how changing her tail into tentacles suddenly made her more powerful then her father.
      I think it's either the form actually imparted more powers while strengthening others (thereby being more powerful than "ordinary merfolk"), or, by assuming the form of the ancient sea-goddess Ursula granted her some of the goddess' powers. Or a combination of both. just my thoughts.
      Well, that's nice, but we never saw her do much of anything with those supposed powers. Even Regina dismissed Ursula and Cruella's powers. Poseidon teleported, restrained (like Cora's blue magic), enchanted and etc. Ursula pretty much had her mermaid powers and forever long tentacles.

      there's still a possibility of seeing them, as Merrin is listed for a number of episodes more. 

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    • Fragile Daydreamer wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Fragile Daydreamer wrote:


      The Silent Whoopie Cushion wrote:
      I really didn't get how changing her tail into tentacles suddenly made her more powerful then her father.
      I think it's either the form actually imparted more powers while strengthening others (thereby being more powerful than "ordinary merfolk"), or, by assuming the form of the ancient sea-goddess Ursula granted her some of the goddess' powers. Or a combination of both. just my thoughts.
      Well, that's nice, but we never saw her do much of anything with those supposed powers. Even Regina dismissed Ursula and Cruella's powers. Poseidon teleported, restrained (like Cora's blue magic), enchanted and etc. Ursula pretty much had her mermaid powers and forever long tentacles.
      there's still a possibility of seeing them, as Merrin is listed for a number of episodes more. 

      I really hope so, her part in acquiring the Dark Curse was the most unnecessary tbh. There were literally stairs leading up to the orb but they needed her tentacles? Like were they just lazy walking up to it?

      When i first saw the scene I initially thought she would have dowse the flames with her sea-witch powers and Maleficent gets the orb with would account for her having the curse in her staff.

      No hating on the character herself though, I like her design and back story. Just disapointed in her lack of development.

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    • First, on Ursula being the one grabbing the orb.  We had already seen the Scarabs and Dragon Fire, and I got the impression that, like some Indiana Jones movie, just walking up to the Curse would trigger some even more devastating Trap.  And Magic was certainly out, as it was probably protected by some anti-magic spell. So that orb had to be physically grabbed, and preferabbly from a distance to avoid the trap. That was Ursula's part, because she could phyically grab the orb without setting of the trap.

      Oh, and she was needed to rescue Maleficent. :-)

      As to Pinnochio's nose being comical, I honestly think that it was intended that way. That scene was extremely dark and intense, and the slight bit of humor from "The Nose" provided enough comic relief without actually breaking the tension of the scene. (My opinion, anyway).

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      First, on Ursula being the one grabbing the orb.  We had already seen the Scarabs and Dragon Fire, and I got the impression that, like some Indiana Jones movie, just walking up to the Curse would trigger some even more devastating Trap.  And Magic was certainly out, as it was probably protected by some anti-magic spell. So that orb had to be physically grabbed, and preferabbly from a distance to avoid the trap. That was Ursula's part, because she could phyically grab the orb without setting of the trap.

      Oh, and she was needed to rescue Maleficent. :-)

      As to Pinnochio's nose being comical, I honestly think that it was intended that way. That scene was extremely dark and intense, and the slight bit of humor from "The Nose" provided enough comic relief without actually breaking the tension of the scene. (My opinion, anyway).

      Totally agree about why Ursula had to grab the orb, I just wish Rumple would have said, "We can't walk up there, it springs a trap. Ursula, if you'd please?" It would have made so much more sense.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      First, on Ursula being the one grabbing the orb.  We had already seen the Scarabs and Dragon Fire, and I got the impression that, like some Indiana Jones movie, just walking up to the Curse would trigger some even more devastating Trap.  And Magic was certainly out, as it was probably protected by some anti-magic spell. So that orb had to be physically grabbed, and preferabbly from a distance to avoid the trap. That was Ursula's part, because she could phyically grab the orb without setting of the trap.

      Oh, and she was needed to rescue Maleficent. :-)

      As to Pinnochio's nose being comical, I honestly think that it was intended that way. That scene was extremely dark and intense, and the slight bit of humor from "The Nose" provided enough comic relief without actually breaking the tension of the scene. (My opinion, anyway).

      Totally agree about why Ursula had to grab the orb, I just wish Rumple would have said, "We can't walk up there, it springs a trap. Ursula, if you'd please?" It would have made so much more sense.

      I don't doubt on the trap part although like what CoolDudeAI said, more exposition would have helped.

      Then again, maybe her tentacles are special and may have dispelling properties like the squids or even be indestructible, I just wish there was more explanation which hopefullly comes in the following episodes.

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    • I'm happy Ursula got her happy ending, but it would have been cool to see her rip someone's heart out with her tentacles, maybe in a flashback 

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    • I think they arent done with Ursula, lets see how it all plays out. We never knew why she is considered a villain neither why she was banished. She must have done something evil.

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    • D.Prince wrote:
      I think they arent done with Ursula, lets see how it all plays out. We never knew why she is considered a villain neither why she was banished. She must have done something evil.

      Right! I assumed she'd killed her father, thus why she said "You should fear me." And she called herself a monster. Why? And I can't keep calling her Ursula, when she's so obviously Ariel. Why, Once? Why confuse me this way?

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      D.Prince wrote:
      I think they arent done with Ursula, lets see how it all plays out. We never knew why she is considered a villain neither why she was banished. She must have done something evil.

      Right! I assumed she'd killed her father, thus why she said "You should fear me." And she called herself a monster. Why? And I can't keep calling her Ursula, when she's so obviously Ariel. Why, Once? Why confuse me this way?

      Lol, what? She's Ursula. Ariel's the white red-headed mermaid that has Ariel's personality. Just not the story.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      D.Prince wrote:
      I think they arent done with Ursula, lets see how it all plays out. We never knew why she is considered a villain neither why she was banished. She must have done something evil.
      Right! I assumed she'd killed her father, thus why she said "You should fear me." And she called herself a monster. Why? And I can't keep calling her Ursula, when she's so obviously Ariel. Why, Once? Why confuse me this way?
      Lol, what? She's Ursula. Ariel's the white red-headed mermaid that has Ariel's personality. Just not the story.

      Ursula is more Ariel than Ariel is. Ariel just has the Eric love story aspect, whereas Ursula encompasses like 90% of the original Ariel's story. And then there's the three different Ursula we have to keep track of, Lana, Merrin and Yvette. So yes, I'm confused and Once made us that way.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      D.Prince wrote:
      I think they arent done with Ursula, lets see how it all plays out. We never knew why she is considered a villain neither why she was banished. She must have done something evil.
      Right! I assumed she'd killed her father, thus why she said "You should fear me." And she called herself a monster. Why? And I can't keep calling her Ursula, when she's so obviously Ariel. Why, Once? Why confuse me this way?
      Lol, what? She's Ursula. Ariel's the white red-headed mermaid that has Ariel's personality. Just not the story.

      Ursula is more Ariel than Ariel is. Ariel just has the Eric love story aspect, whereas Ursula encompasses like 90% of the original Ariel's story. And then there's the three different Ursula we have to keep track of, Lana, Merrin and Yvette. So yes, I'm confused and Once made us that way.

      Well, I'm sorry for your confusion. I love the Ursula confusion (inside the story of course) because it creates a depth of story? mythology?. Lana pretending to be Ursula and Merrin being named after and taking the form of Ursula and then the goddess herself.

      My theory is that Ursula was a titan and then the gods took over, leaving Poseidon in charge. Now, why would Poseidon name his daughter after a potential enemy, who knows!

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    • And maybe Urs & Poseiden will stay close by. They may be under water, but are just a sea-shell summons away. (And of course, flashbacks.)

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    • I think people get confused because everyone keeps confusing stuff. There are only two Ursulas, the sea goddess gold statue and Merrin the sea witch. Regina is Regina, just because she pose as Ursula once that doesnt make her the third ursula. In conclusion we only have two. And im glad the golden statue is a separated ursula than merrin, they are different for sure. Now I understand why the golden statue is by far more intimidating

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:


      D.Prince wrote:
      I think they arent done with Ursula, lets see how it all plays out. We never knew why she is considered a villain neither why she was banished. She must have done something evil.
      Right! I assumed she'd killed her father, thus why she said "You should fear me." And she called herself a monster. Why? And I can't keep calling her Ursula, when she's so obviously Ariel. Why, Once? Why confuse me this way?
      Lol, what? She's Ursula. Ariel's the white red-headed mermaid that has Ariel's personality. Just not the story.
      Ursula is more Ariel than Ariel is. Ariel just has the Eric love story aspect, whereas Ursula encompasses like 90% of the original Ariel's story. And then there's the three different Ursula we have to keep track of, Lana, Merrin and Yvette. So yes, I'm confused and Once made us that way.

      Maybe they want 8 characters that are someway Ursula, because of the octopus thing, lol.

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    • I guess this episode is the closest we'll get to a musical episode...

      That cover of Fathoms Below was beautiful though.

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    • SnowKingTE wrote:
      I guess this episode is the closest we'll get to a musical episode...

      That cover of Fathoms Below was beautiful though.

      I want a complete musical episode where everyone goes to Disneyland

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    • SnowKingTE wrote:

      That cover of Fathoms Below was beautiful though.

      Agreed.


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    • SnowKingTE wrote:
      I guess this episode is the closest we'll get to a musical episode...

      That cover of Fathoms Below was beautiful though.

      My thoughts exactly

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    • I didn't catch the credits. Did Tiffany Boone actually sing Fathoms Below, or was that voiced by someone else?

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    • Theauthorforsure wrote:
      the end episode promo showed a clip of the charmings running away with a cloth that appeared to be a child...so i'd say thats almost hope for the baby still being alive...hinting lily (hopeful)

      That cloth was actually an egg. Just saying. 

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I didn't catch the credits. Did Tiffany Boone actually sing Fathoms Below, or was that voiced by someone else?

      Tiffany Boone tweeted, that it was not her singing voice.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I didn't catch the credits. Did Tiffany Boone actually sing Fathoms Below, or was that voiced by someone else?
      Tiffany Boone tweeted, that it was not her singing voice.

      And Merrin replied to that tweet saying it wasn't her voice either.

      https://twitter.com/RealMerrinD/status/579857988434853888

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    • UNIQUE10124 wrote:
      Theauthorforsure wrote:
      the end episode promo showed a clip of the charmings running away with a cloth that appeared to be a child...so i'd say thats almost hope for the baby still being alive...hinting lily (hopeful)
      That cloth was actually an egg. Just saying. 

      looks like it. but it does look like it had an opening for the baby's face???

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    • The backstory is short and It isn't so dark (I imagined Ursula would be a very cruel witch with a sad backstory, not a capricious little girl!) and Ursula is so weak (She is endured for four episodes!!!). I don't like this season: first Frozen and now that

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    • Being forced to use your last connection to a lost loved one as a weapon and then having it stripped from you out of spite by someone you trusted is pretty dark actually.

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    • Agreed. 

      Sooo looking forward to the snowing, baby steeling, emma gone dark stuff. It's about time they realised that people are people and not just hero's or villans. 

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    • DZAV21 wrote:

      MBrody wrote:

      DZAV21 wrote: That awkward moment you realize that Rumple is the only true villain... Killian & Regina just lost there first loves but are redeemed by finding there true ones. TQOD'S just lost what there most beloved possessions. Cora pulled her own heart out. Auntie Vanilla just wanted her sisters love. Zelena,.... Was just bat s@it crazy. Rumple only wants power.

      Well, Rumplestiltskin was only trying to save his son in the beginning. In that way, he's not so different from the other villains. I think the only thing that separates him from the others is that he cannot let go of the power he was given, and he's been evil so much longer.


      Agreed that he wanted to save Neal at first, but now its like he doesn't even care about his son anymore, he is constantly dishonoring Neal's memory his legacy and the deathbed promise he made to him.

      Well, I meant initially it was for Baelfire. But I do agree that now it has become more about power than his son.

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