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  • The title for episode 19 of Season Four is Lily.

    Source: https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/568098986852134913/photo/1

    Thoughts?

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    • Well, I know who's who now! I didn't expect that at all!

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    • Well at least we know Lily will return, grown up or not, whose to say. This episode title reminds me of Lacey, we all suspected it to be cursed Belle's name after the title's release, both were episdoe 19 and both used a name begining with L and ending in y. Probably a coincidence but it is still a cool one.

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    • That's awesome trivia

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    • So Agnes Brucker is undoubtedly playing Lily. I don't understand why they felt the need to keep her character's identity under wraps if they were just gonna provide us with a dead giveaway in the form of this episode's title days afterwards. This show does terrible episode titles. Anyway, since it's clearly a centric episode of hers, I guess this means Nicole Muñoz must reprise her role as young Lily in flashbacks. It'd be dumb if she didn't. Hope this means more Abby Ross as young Emma too, she's great.

      I am curious as to what they're doing with Lily, but not so much excited. If she turns out to be an iconic fairytale character, it'll be trite. If she doesn't, it'll just be a waste, cos, why bother with another ordinary person? Especially seeing how much Greg and Tamara sucked.

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    • So Agnes Bruckner must be playing an adult Lily for 3 episode

      Wonder who the flashback of this episode will be about? Maybe it's about Emma again, the Swan family, the role of Lily and stuff like that in the Land Without Magic

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    • Let's hope it does not mean she is the Sorcerer or the Author <<

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    • ^ She does have a star mark, just like the stars in the hat XD

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    • I definitely hope she doesn't turn out to be another Greg/Tamara, or the sorcerer/author (what? i want it to be a new character). If possible another fairytale characters works for me :P But idk, I kind of want her to just be "Lily", and see where she goes from there. But that looks like it'll go Greg/Tamara ._.

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    • Farfetched possibility, but does anyone kinda ship Emma/Lily? Please don't make me out to be a pervert, but I swear to God, when Emma and Lily co-starred in the flashbacks in 405 it always seemed like they were about to start making out at any given second.

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    • or maybe they're friends, and female friends like hanging out together. Shocker.

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    • Colin might not renew his contract? Where'd did that come from? I ship SwanLily but I still like Hook. Maybe they could become a threesome.

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    • Stop trolling.

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    • Perhaps Lily is a niece of the Sorcerer or the Author or even the Apprentice so she might have some magic abilities but yeah great to see her again.

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    • We all realize the sorcerer is confirmed to be, like, 12048902167309285031 years old, right? Unless he reincarnates or takes over people's bodies or something like that, Lily probably isn't the sorcerer. She may be related to him somehow, I guess, maybe all descendants of the sorcerer have that star tattoo? Or "chosen ones"? This could set up an entire Season 5 plot where they have to find the sorcerer's chosen ones/descendants or something stupid like that :P Idk it could be cool :P

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    • Yeah, SwanLily is just perfect. Abby and Nicole were incredibly close to kissing. I wanted that XD

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    • Great, Lily is important enough to get an episode named after her, not sure how I feel about this. I agree with others, the star mark is probably because she has something to do with the Sorcerer and his hat.

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    • So she would be the Sorcerer/Author's daughter, then? Since she was put up for adoption maybe he lost her, or... déjà vu, Rumple and Bae. Sigh. Hope not.

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    • Rena Charming wrote:
      So she would be the Sorcerer/Author's daughter, then? Since she was put up for adoption maybe he lost her, or... déjà vu, Rumple and Bae. Sigh. Hope not.

      I don't know if she nessisarily has to be a direct relative of the Sorcerer. Maybe the hat (or someone in the hat) created a child. Do you thing people can have *ahem* relations while in the hat? lol

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    • I strongly doubt Lily will be main cast, or Emma's girlfriend. also evidently all of my female friends are gay if what emma and lily did counts as evidence that they're gay

      It's looking likely for her to be an antagonist, considering the fact that Emma basically betrayed her and now she's coming to storybrooke years later as an adult with evidence that she's magical (in the star tattoo).

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    • Nutty, you don't get it. What Emma and Lily actually did wasn't gay, that's not what I was getting at, but the two actors, when they co-starred, always had their faces in such close proximity it felt like they were always on the verge of making out. A lot of people thought that.

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    • Here's the thing. What do we know about Lily as of this moment.

      1. She was adopted in the LWM.

      2. She ran away from home. (and this was apparantly not the first time)

      3. She lied to Emma in order to get Emma's acceptance.

      4. She appeared to be approximately the same age as Emma.

      5. She enjoys video games.

      6. She seems reasonably well able to take care of herself.

      7. She appeared right before Emma went to Ingrid's foster home.

      8. She has a mysterious Star mark on her arm.

      She pretty much came across as most any other teenage girl in her situation (Adopted, Adoptive family sucks for whatever reason, etc).

      That is all, of course, assuming that everything said was, in fact the truth. What if the only true statement in the above is #3, and we just don't know the extent of the lie?

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:

      That is all, of course, assuming that everything said was, in fact the truth. What if the only true statement in the above is #3, and we just don't know the extent of the lie?

      You forgot the most important "fact" about Lily.... her full name is actually Lilith. OUaT does not give charaters ramdon names. Unless the character is named after their Disney counterpart, their name usually references their story or personality. 

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    • Episode 4x05 implied it was EmmaXLily when they were young, now Emma has friendship issues with Regina, so Lily is pretty much out, I don't know where she fits.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:

      That is all, of course, assuming that everything said was, in fact the truth. What if the only true statement in the above is #3, and we just don't know the extent of the lie?

      You forgot the most important "fact" about Lily.... her full name is actually Lilith. OUaT does not give charaters ramdon names. Unless the character is named after their Disney counterpart, their name usually references their story or personality. 

      We actually don't know that, and if she had a longer name it is most likely Lilian, not Lilith.

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    • Lillith's on the page so in theory there's some evidence behind it, I haven't seen it though.

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    • Yeah I never saw Lillith anywhere. Maybe her adoptive father called her that at some point? Beats me.

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    • Rena Charming wrote:
      Yeah I never saw Lillith anywhere. Maybe her adoptive father called her that at some point? Beats me.

      No, someone was just looking up name origins and that's where they got Lilith from, if anything though Adam and Eddy are using it to refer to Lily, a flower of purity.

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    • if her name isn't Lillith it probably shouldn't be mentioned on the page. Just saying.

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    • The page calls her Lillith as if there's evidence that that is her name.

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    • DatNuttyKid wrote:
      if her name isn't Lillith it probably shouldn't be mentioned on the page. Just saying.

      Yeah, just looked at her page, that shouldn't be like that. No where has she officially been called anything other than Lily.

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    • I thought I heard her adopted father call her Lilith when he found them in the abandoned house. I'm sure he did, because I haven't read that page and I immeadiately made the assumtion. Could be wrong.

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    • Prof. Draco wrote:
      I thought I heard her adopted father call her Lilith when he found them in the abandoned house. I'm sure he did, because I haven't read that page and I immeadiately made the assumtion. Could be wrong.

      Lillith is her full name, but like most people within recent decades, she goes by a shortening of her name as a nickname. Lilly.

      I'm so incredibly disappointed that Nicole Muñoz is obviously Latina, and Agnes Bruckner, who is most likely playing adult Lilly looks about as Latina as JMo does... It's like when they turned Ursula black instead of painting her lavender. They did it with Zelena, what gives?

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Prof. Draco wrote:
      I thought I heard her adopted father call her Lilith when he found them in the abandoned house. I'm sure he did, because I haven't read that page and I immeadiately made the assumtion. Could be wrong.

      Lillith is her full name, but like most people within recent decades, she goes by a shortening of her name as a nickname. Lilly.

      I'm so incredibly disappointed that Nicole Muñoz is obviously Latina, and Agnes Bruckner, who is most likely playing adult Lilly looks about as Latina as JMo does... It's like when they turned Ursula black instead of painting her lavender. They did it with Zelena, what gives?

      Well, it isn't Disney Ursula. Ouat Ursula is a sea goddess and not purple of pride or something. In all truth, I don't even think the original Wicked Witch of the West was even green. Plus purple and green would probably clash.

      Lily and a ethnicity change = the magic of Once aka discontinuity.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Prof. Draco wrote:
      I thought I heard her adopted father call her Lilith when he found them in the abandoned house. I'm sure he did, because I haven't read that page and I immeadiately made the assumtion. Could be wrong.
      Lillith is her full name, but like most people within recent decades, she goes by a shortening of her name as a nickname. Lilly.

      I'm so incredibly disappointed that Nicole Muñoz is obviously Latina, and Agnes Bruckner, who is most likely playing adult Lilly looks about as Latina as JMo does... It's like when they turned Ursula black instead of painting her lavender. They did it with Zelena, what gives?

      Well, it isn't Disney Ursula. Ouat Ursula is a sea goddess and not purple of pride or something. In all truth, I don't even think the original Wicked Witch of the West was even green. Plus purple and green would probably clash.

      Lily and a ethnicity change = the magic of Once aka discontinuity.

      True. Disney's Ursula is actually Regina, but even with her, she wasn't lavender-skinned. And IIRC, the original unnamed WWotW was silver-skinned to match the slippers. And Green clothing with Purple skin would look tacky unless you're Barney the dinosaur, which is why they should've kept Ursula in black... Or at least let her keep the Disney incarnation's platinum blonde bob, because the honey colored weave they gave Merrin is not cute.

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    • Prof. Draco wrote:
      I thought I heard her adopted father call her Lilith when he found them in the abandoned house. I'm sure he did, because I haven't read that page and I immeadiately made the assumtion. Could be wrong.

      No. You're absolutely right. Her adopted father called her Lilith when he found her in the abandoned house. So, there might be a reason behind her name after all. I'm hoping for her to be the spawn of an evil witch or something, like Morgan le Fay.

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    • Nicole Munoz recently tweeted that she's headin' to Vancouver. 

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    • The Red-Orange-Fuschia-Queen wrote:
      Prof. Draco wrote:
      I thought I heard her adopted father call her Lilith when he found them in the abandoned house. I'm sure he did, because I haven't read that page and I immeadiately made the assumtion. Could be wrong.
      No. You're absolutely right. Her adopted father called her Lilith when he found her in the abandoned house. So, there might be a reason behind her name after all. I'm hoping for her to be the spawn of an evil witch or something, like Morgan le Fay.

      Did he really? I'll have to listen for that when I rewatch the episode.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Prof. Draco wrote:
      I thought I heard her adopted father call her Lilith when he found them in the abandoned house. I'm sure he did, because I haven't read that page and I immeadiately made the assumtion. Could be wrong.
      Lillith is her full name, but like most people within recent decades, she goes by a shortening of her name as a nickname. Lilly.

      I'm so incredibly disappointed that Nicole Muñoz is obviously Latina, and Agnes Bruckner, who is most likely playing adult Lilly looks about as Latina as JMo does... It's like when they turned Ursula black instead of painting her lavender. They did it with Zelena, what gives?

      Don't jump to conclusions, Once is useally very good with casting, so until Agnes is confirmed to be Lily, I don't think she is. I'm kind of wondering if Lily will not have aged because she's not a normal human, so Lily may still be played by Nicole in present day.

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    • I'm excited for when Emma and Lily meet again.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Prof. Draco wrote:
      I thought I heard her adopted father call her Lilith when he found them in the abandoned house. I'm sure he did, because I haven't read that page and I immeadiately made the assumtion. Could be wrong.
      Lillith is her full name, but like most people within recent decades, she goes by a shortening of her name as a nickname. Lilly.

      I'm so incredibly disappointed that Nicole Muñoz is obviously Latina, and Agnes Bruckner, who is most likely playing adult Lilly looks about as Latina as JMo does... It's like when they turned Ursula black instead of painting her lavender. They did it with Zelena, what gives?

      Don't jump to conclusions, Once is useally very good with casting, so until Agnes is confirmed to be Lily, I don't think she is. I'm kind of wondering if Lily will not have aged because she's not a normal human, so Lily may still be played by Nicole in present day.

      Well, it's a sure thing Agnes is playing Autmn. Autmn first debuts in Lily. She might not be an adult Lily, but she's definitely someone important. But at least Nicole Muñoz apparently is coming back, as mentioned above. That's exciting.

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    • Agnes is playing a bruntette girl

      Autumn is a brutnette girl

      It's not 100 % that Agnes will play Autumn

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    • So with Nicole returning, we can definitely say the backstory will be about Lily? If there was still any doubt...

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    • Unfortunately, I can't see how they can bring Abby Ross into the back story, since she pretty much abandoned Lily at the end of 4x5, and I would guess that Lily's backstory will go beyond the short time she and Emma were hanging out.  Which is too bad, because once again, Once has done an outstanding job casting a child version of the already established adult.

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    • I posted this theory on another forum but, what if Lily is the daughter of Merlin? It would make sense if when Rumple visited Camelot he planned to destroy his rival Merlin. But when he found the gauntlet it led him to the thing Merlin loved most, Lily. Then to protect Lily Merlin was forced to send her to LWM. It also would make sense if Merlin was the sorcerer cause then Lily's birthmark would make even more sense.

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    • Hype intensifies: https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/568310907387817987

      My theory is that these tattoos have "properties", RH's is about its connection to Regina, Lily's is about a connection to magic/hat/sorcerer.

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    • Colette French wrote:
      Agnes is playing a bruntette girl

      Autumn is a brutnette girl

      It's not 100 % that Agnes will play Autumn

      I agree. So maybe Agnes is Lily and Autumn is Drizella.

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    • What if...

      What if Lily never ages between when we saw her in Minnesota and now?

      we are all assuming that she 'grew up' in the intervening years. Makes sense, right? People grow up. At least that's how it works in the LWM. And in most other realms (except Neverland, but that is another topic), though the rate of growth can vary.

      But what if there is some charm, or some other special something, that causes Lily to never age (or to age so slowly that she does not appear to age)?  How would that play out?

      Let the theories commence.

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    • Perhaps the shadow took her, since she definitely was a Lost Girl.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      What if...

      What if Lily never ages between when we saw her in Minnesota and now?

      we are all assuming that she 'grew up' in the intervening years. Makes sense, right? People grow up. At least that's how it works in the LWM. And in most other realms (except Neverland, but that is another topic), though the rate of growth can vary.

      But what if there is some charm, or some other special something, that causes Lily to never age (or to age so slowly that she does not appear to age)?  How would that play out?

      Let the theories commence.

      I had just mentioned that yesterday, lol. I wouldn't be surprised, we've had tons of characters that have stopped aging for various reasons on this show.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Hype intensifies:

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/568310907387817987

      My theory is that these tattoos have "properties", RH's is about its connection to Regina, Lily's is about a connection to magic/hat/sorcerer.

      A crazy theory, Lily is RH and Regina's child from an alternate universe. 

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    • The Red-Orange-Fuschia-Queen wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Hype intensifies:

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/568310907387817987

      My theory is that these tattoos have "properties", RH's is about its connection to Regina, Lily's is about a connection to magic/hat/sorcerer.

      A crazy theory, Lily is RH and Regina's child from an alternate universe. 

      I hope not! I wish not! I can not! They barely can travel across space and time, so dimensions I think not. Plus, why? IT wouldn't help anything, it'll just mean they get separated from their daughter and why come to the land without magic during the cursed years?

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    • The Red-Orange-Fuschia-Queen wrote:
      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Hype intensifies:

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/568310907387817987

      My theory is that these tattoos have "properties", RH's is about its connection to Regina, Lily's is about a connection to magic/hat/sorcerer.

      A crazy theory, Lily is RH and Regina's child from an alternate universe. 

      Not so crazy, I think there's a mile long thread dedicated to it on here.

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    • WorldHopper22 wrote:
      Colette French wrote:
      Agnes is playing a bruntette girl

      Autumn is a brutnette girl

      It's not 100 % that Agnes will play Autumn

      I agree. So maybe Agnes is Lily and Autumn is Drizella. 

      Who is Autumn?

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    • The Red-Orange-Fuschia-Queen wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Hype intensifies:

      https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/568310907387817987

      My theory is that these tattoos have "properties", RH's is about its connection to Regina, Lily's is about a connection to magic/hat/sorcerer.

      A crazy theory, Lily is RH and Regina's child from an alternate universe. 

      This theory again... not sure what to make of it, I don't think it's THAT crazy, but it's random. You mean because Nicole is latina like Lana? But if she is non-magical, she ages, and if she ages she turns into Agnes and that's not latina anymore. lol, this is confusing.

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    • Just because an actress, Nicole, is latina doesn't mean she's related to anyone. That's like saying Ingrid and Emma are actually related, probably her mother because they are both with blonde hair (People even theorized this craziness!). Plus, she might not be who she appears to be, given that Emma is surrounded by magical and EF people throughout her childhood apparently in this magicless world.

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    • Ruby ridinghood wrote:
      WorldHopper22 wrote:
      Colette French wrote:
      Agnes is playing a bruntette girl

      Autumn is a brutnette girl

      It's not 100 % that Agnes will play Autumn

      I agree. So maybe Agnes is Lily and Autumn is Drizella. 
      Who is Autumn?

      http://onceuponatime.wikia.com/wiki/Autumn

      There's her page.

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    • This shooting is from this episode: http://yvrshoots.com/2015/02/shoot-once-upon-a-times-robert-carlyle-emilie-de-ravin-michael-socha-film-in-fort-langley.html#.VOaEC005A_6

      What the hell is going on? Oh hi, Gorin. And Anastacia must have done something awful if Will is doing this...

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    • 101Pugs2015 wrote:
      I posted this theory on another forum but, what if Lily is the daughter of Merlin? It would make sense if when Rumple visited Camelot he planned to destroy his rival Merlin. But when he found the gauntlet it led him to the thing Merlin loved most, Lily. Then to protect Lily Merlin was forced to send her to LWM. It also would make sense if Merlin was the sorcerer cause then Lily's birthmark would make even more sense.


      Great theory! It makes sense

      Or maybe Lily is also Morgan le Fay aka Black Fairy, who is the sister of... Merlin. After Blue Fairy defeated her and took her wand, she became "normal" and non-magical, but Merlin still loved her. And Rumple came to Camelot and everything happened as you say...

      I also guess some characters such as Merlin, Blue, Black Fairy and The Original Dark One ( I think it's Chernaborg) are the "original creation" of the fairytale world

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    • I don't think there's anything suspicious about those pictures. Belle is the town librarian, Will is the guy who broke into the library and slept with a book. She probably talked to him and asked him what was up and he confided in her about Ana.

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    • Rumbelle meets Wonderland? This looks awesome. 

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      This shooting is from this episode: http://yvrshoots.com/2015/02/shoot-once-upon-a-times-robert-carlyle-emilie-de-ravin-michael-socha-film-in-fort-langley.html#.VOaEC005A_6

      What the hell is going on? Oh hi, Gorin. And Anastacia must have done something awful if Will is doing this...

      Yes, I'm sure we're destroying Rumbelle and ScarletQueen (is that the ship name?, if not it should be), and starting WillBelle. I mean is the article serious, we know both of the existing relationships are not over (RB due to Adam and Eddy talking about it, and SQ due to the epilogue of Wonderland), so why even try to make random pictures something they are not. It's like a bad tabloid.

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    • I think that according to the photos, Belle has become friends with Will and she is helping him locate Anastasia when Rumple sees them together and jumps to conclusion. I'm also very interested in the Peddler talking to Rumple in his car.

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    • Why can't people just be friends? Belle could just be friends with Will. I mean Alice and Will were just friends (maybe best friends) despite massive chemistry and scenes with one another. I think some are jumping to conclusions like Rumple will in those pics. IT's not what it seems, or is it? I guess if the peddler is the author or sorcerer, he's already pathetic. He's with the Dark One, lol.

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    • I don't think good or even new friends would hold hands and walk donwn the street. I'm not saying its totally out of the question, but they are not five years old.

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    • I call them " ScarletBeauty "

      A lot can happen in 6 weeks

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    • #Knavelle ...just kidding, I hate it as well xD

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    • Let's call them #BookThief

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    • I like "Book Thief". And I'm with those people who say they can't be arsed with this random pairing (random as of yet, since we've seen no build-up to it whatsoever). Belle needs to end up with Rumple - or alone, cos, lol yeah - and Will with Ana. Why bother with this, like... romantic triangles/squares are so overdone. The Hook/Emma/Neal triangle was just frustratingly boring, those scenes in 3.07 were ugh. Regardless, I'm happy with anything that could bring either Will or Belle to the forefront. However, since they are both supporting characters, despite being regulars, I doubt they'll get that much focus. You put two supporting characters together and you get a C-plot.

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    • Couple or not, I've got to say Emilie looks a lot more beautiful than she did in season 4A, and it pleases me.

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    • lol no way. They're just friends, for sure. There will be no romantic entanglement whatsoever. But yeah I agree, Emilie is looking more beautiful than the first half os season 4.

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    • Budloopy4 wrote:
      I don't think good or even new friends would hold hands and walk donwn the street. I'm not saying its totally out of the question, but they are not five years old.

      I think they are just holding hands between takes.

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    • You got to be real careful with the pictures.  a Picture paints a thousand words, but sometimes we don't get the right thousand words. (In other words, I can look at a picture and tell a story, but it may not be the actual story the picture is supposed to tell).

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      You got to be real careful with the pictures.  a Picture paints a thousand words, but sometimes we don't get the right thousand words. (In other words, I can look at a picture and tell a story, but it may not be the actual story the picture is supposed to tell).

      So what do you think these pictures are saying? I think Belle is trying to help Will find Ana and then Rumple eventually decides to help them (reuniting Will and Ana helps Rumple and Belle grow closer). I can see Rumple trying to help someone so he can be with the ones he loves (he agreed to save Wendy because Belle wanted him too).

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    • We don't know what's going on - but don't have to wait too much longer!  Will was trying to find Ana via the library, so it's a fairly safe assumption that Belle would help him.  And that they're just friends.  Maybe working on some sort of dance routine?  That silly walk might not be in between takes :) All I can say for sure is, I'm getting really anxious for 4B to start!!
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    • Or what is Lily is Tiger Lily from Peter Pan? I'm getting a little too excited

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    • More Young Emma: https://twitter.com/srssydney/status/568616267361333250

      Excited to see Abby Ross again, I guess the story could take place somewhere inside Breaking Glass's flashback.

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    • ^^Yay!

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    • Agnes Bruckner recently tweeted a picture of herself during her first day of filming and there appears to be green screen behind her. So she can't be an older Lily, since her grown up self is doing a flashback scene at a place that requires CGI. 

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    • What? It's a door, so it can be Storybrooke. It can very well be Lily.

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    • I just can't believe it would be Lily, because it would be one of the worst castings I ever saw.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:

      That is all, of course, assuming that everything said was, in fact the truth. What if the only true statement in the above is #3, and we just don't know the extent of the lie?

      You forgot the most important "fact" about Lily.... her full name is actually Lilith. OUaT does not give charaters ramdon names. Unless the character is named after their Disney counterpart, their name usually references their story or personality. 

      We actually don't know that, and if she had a longer name it is most likely Lilian, not Lilith.

      See the episode again. When her adoptive father find her and Emma in the house, he call her Lilith.

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    • Who thinks Vanessa Hudgens is great as older Lily?

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      What if...

      What if Lily never ages between when we saw her in Minnesota and now?

      we are all assuming that she 'grew up' in the intervening years. Makes sense, right? People grow up. At least that's how it works in the LWM. And in most other realms (except Neverland, but that is another topic), though the rate of growth can vary.

      But what if there is some charm, or some other special something, that causes Lily to never age (or to age so slowly that she does not appear to age)?  How would that play out?

      Let the theories commence.



      Plot twist : Henry has a crush on Lily (who hasn't aged since Emma left her) :)

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    • Plot twist : Henry has a crush on Lily (who hasn't aged since Emma left her) :)

      If that were true, and considering we saw Paige's bike, there would be another triangle: Paige-Henry-Lily. lol

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    • http://yvrshoots.com/2015/02/shoot-once-upon-a-times-jennifer-morrison-colin-odonoghue-lana-parrilla-ginnifer-goodwin-josh-dallas-jared-gilmore-at-fort-langley-community-hall.html#.VOiVivmsXAn

      From this, I want to know where Emma and Regina are going. I think they'll leave town to find the author and/or Robin and when in New York, they'll meet Lily.

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    • Is it possible that Lily also came in the wardrobe?  I don't think that they would really use the old "there was another kid hiding in there" again, but maybe.  Or like Bae she was somewhere for a while, maybe even neverland.  

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      http://yvrshoots.com/2015/02/shoot-once-upon-a-times-jennifer-morrison-colin-odonoghue-lana-parrilla-ginnifer-goodwin-josh-dallas-jared-gilmore-at-fort-langley-community-hall.html#.VOiVivmsXAn

      From this, I want to know where Emma and Regina are going. I think they'll leave town to find the author and/or Robin and when in New York, they'll meet Lily.

      I'm guessing the same thing.

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    • The flashback could possibly take place after Emma running away from Ingrid

      Then, at the bus station, she met Lily, who had escaped from her home AGAIN @@@

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    • Most likely. LOL I wonder if this is after 1999... Like 2000? Or maybe even 2001, with Emma just about to leave for Portland (and meeting Neal)?

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    • They need to have Abby with glasses, otherwise 18-Emma will look awkward in the continuity.

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    • Maybe Lily is the savior of Darkness to balance Emma who is the savior of Light.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      They need to have Abby with glasses, otherwise 18-Emma will look awkward in the continuity.

      Actually, she probably wore glasses as a disguise. People in the early 2000's tended to underestimate people with glasses, especially girls with glasses. Also, Emma was 17 when she gave birth to Henry and Abby would probably be 16 year old Emma. So she turns into Jen on the bus ride to Portland LOL

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    • Was rewatching "Ariel" and I thought something. In that episode, where a character's name is the title, the main flashback focused on the title character and they only appeared in the present day timeline in the last scene. What if this will happen again in this episode?

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    • Well, if that's the case, then I would imagine the other part of the Ariel setup will be true, in that the next episode was centric (at least partially) to the new character in the present day.

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    • True. I hope this happens. It would make sense if Agnes Bruckner is Lily, then it makes sense for a 3 episode arc like Ariel's was (3x06, 3x07, 3x10)

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    • Joanna did not do very much with 3x10.  Most of her work was in 3x6 and 3x7, and then 3x17. Although I think she is rumored to be resurfacing during the current arc.

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    • I hope Lily isn't the sorcerer or author.  I don't mind if she has a connection to either.  But I'd be let down if she were one of them.

      Maybe Lily is being used a pawn to lure Emma to the Dark Side.  Guilt, regret, shame.  Grown-up Emma could be shown or faced w/ what happened to Lily and decide that there's no point in trying to be good.

      I'm not 100% sold that Agnes Bruckner is a grown up Lily.  If she is, ok.  But I could see her as an ugly step-sister (while she's far from ugly.  but you know what i mean.)

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Joanna did not do very much with 3x10.  Most of her work was in 3x6 and 3x7, and then 3x17. Although I think she is rumored to be resurfacing during the current arc.

      Sorry, meant in 3x10, she got her happy ending so to me meant she completed Ariel's Arc. Sorry if not clear.

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    • Did ya'll see that on our wiki "Lily" episode page that there is a casting for Lily's daughter???  Fascinating.  Does this solidfy that Agnes B is playing a grown up Lily? 

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Joanna did not do very much with 3x10.  Most of her work was in 3x6 and 3x7, and then 3x17. Although I think she is rumored to be resurfacing during the current arc.

      Nice pun

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    • DarlingDavies wrote:
      Did ya'll see that on our wiki "Lily" episode page that there is a casting for Lily's daughter???  Fascinating.  Does this solidfy that Agnes B is playing a grown up Lily? 


      Exactly :) There is a scene where grown up Lily takes back her daughter when she comes back after school with a bus :) However, even on the set, it is not 100% confirmed that Agnes is Lily so we can't add her :)

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      DarlingDavies wrote:
      Did ya'll see that on our wiki "Lily" episode page that there is a casting for Lily's daughter???  Fascinating.  Does this solidfy that Agnes B is playing a grown up Lily? 

      Exactly :) There is a scene where grown up Lily takes back her daughter when she comes back after school with a bus :) However, even on the set, it is not 100% confirmed that Agnes is Lily so we can't add her :)


      oh wow.  i must be behind on my spoilers!!!  i didnt' realize there was a scene spoiler out there.  well, this is exciting stuff, even if not official just yet. 

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      DarlingDavies wrote:
      Did ya'll see that on our wiki "Lily" episode page that there is a casting for Lily's daughter???  Fascinating.  Does this solidfy that Agnes B is playing a grown up Lily? 

      Exactly :) There is a scene where grown up Lily takes back her daughter when she comes back after school with a bus :) However, even on the set, it is not 100% confirmed that Agnes is Lily so we can't add her :)

      So if we're not sure Agnes is Lily, how do we know we know Lily has a daughter? Couldn't this be Drizella's daughter, for example?

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    • Wow, you're really deadset on Drizella showing up, aren't you? Where's this coming from?

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    • I have nothing against Lily showing as an adult but I just think seeing Drizella show up is pretty much confirmation that we'll see Anastasia. I will probably consider this season a failure if Ana doesn't show up.

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    • Well, I have to say I agree with that. I want Ana (and Ella, again) to appear this season more than anything. I think there's a chance that they might be saving her for the last episode(s), and they're still only working on episode 19 atm. Of course that also depends on Emma Rigby. Has anyone been hitting her up on Twitter lately? Does she even have an account there? But yeah, if the producers don't even reach out to her to get her on on-board, I'll be sorely remiss. Especially if the Will story doesn't lead to anything big. Book Thief doesn't cut it.

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    • Rena Charming wrote:
      Well, I have to say I agree with that. I want Ana (and Ella, again) to appear this season more than anything. I think there's a chance that they might be saving her for the last episode(s), and they're still only working on episode 19 atm. Of course that also depends on Emma Rigby. Has anyone been hitting her up on Twitter lately? Does she even have an account there? But yeah, if the producers don't even reach out to her to get her on on-board, I'll be sorely remiss. Especially if the Will story doesn't lead to anything big. Book Thief doesn't cut it.

      They confirmed in 4A that they were talking to Emma Rigby to get her on main Once, whether as a guest or recurring was unconfirmed, as was her answer. She does have a Twitter, but it's severly underused, and I don't believe she's currently working on anything. Which is a shame because she's wonderful.

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    • Rena Charming wrote:
      Wow, you're really deadset on Drizella showing up, aren't you? Where's this coming from?

      I'm just not convinced Agnes is Adult Lily. I'm fine with Adult Lily showing up, but I want to make sure we are not all jumping to conclusions about Agnes's role. As far as my Drizella therorizing, I firmly believe that Anastasia is Cinderella's stepsister, and that part of the reason Will is on this season is to confirm that. If we get Drizella, that will come with Anastasia and Cinderella, and the confirmation of their relationship. And as WorldHopper stated above Ana not appearing this season would also seem like somewhat of a failure.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Rena Charming wrote:
      Wow, you're really deadset on Drizella showing up, aren't you? Where's this coming from?

      I'm just not convinced Agnes is Adult Lily. I'm fine with Adult Lily showing up, but I want to make sure we are not all jumping to conclusions about Agnes's role. As far as my Drizella therorizing, I firmly believe that Anastasia is Cinderella's stepsister, and that part of the reason Will is on this season is to confirm that. If we get Drizella, that will come with Anastasia and Cinderella, and the confirmation of their relationship. And as WorldHopper stated above Ana not appearing this season would also seem like somewhat of a failure.

      But failure is so sweet. I think Agnes is adult Lily (that somehow changed her ethnicity and everything) or somehow related. She's not Drizella. I mean, it would be cool to see, but I doubt Will is going to get much focus whatsoever and to bring a character for just Will would not make since unless it's Anastasia. Will right now is a glorified extra. They use him for comic relief and side plots. So if Drizella actually appears it'll be with her sisters too, once he takes a serious role or centric in the show. And hopefully if she ever appears (which I doubt) they should change her name so her short name wouldn't be Ella or ....shudders...Drizzy.

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    • Maybe Cinderella is Drizella. Just speculating her of course, but probably in Once there is only 1 mean step sister and that would be Anastacia. Ella's real name could be Drizella, before her family started calling her Cinderella, to mock that she's dirty of ashes. Anyway, I just want Anastasia. She's the reason I kept on watching Once:Wonderland because Will and Anastasia are just awesome. Alice and Cyrus? Meh...

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    • The Red-Orange-Fuschia-Queen wrote: Maybe Cinderella is Drizella. Just speculating her of course, but probably in Once there is only 1 mean step sister and that would be Anastacia. Ella's real name could be Drizella, before her family started calling her Cinderella, to mock that she's dirty of ashes. Anyway, I just want Anastasia. She's the reason I kept on watching Once:Wonderland because Will and Anastasia are just awesome. Alice and Cyrus? Meh...

      Intrigued by this

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Rena Charming wrote:
      Wow, you're really deadset on Drizella showing up, aren't you? Where's this coming from?
      I'm just not convinced Agnes is Adult Lily. I'm fine with Adult Lily showing up, but I want to make sure we are not all jumping to conclusions about Agnes's role. As far as my Drizella therorizing, I firmly believe that Anastasia is Cinderella's stepsister, and that part of the reason Will is on this season is to confirm that. If we get Drizella, that will come with Anastasia and Cinderella, and the confirmation of their relationship. And as WorldHopper stated above Ana not appearing this season would also seem like somewhat of a failure.
      But failure is so sweet. I think Agnes is adult Lily (that somehow changed her ethnicity and everything) or somehow related. She's not Drizella. I mean, it would be cool to see, but I doubt Will is going to get much focus whatsoever and to bring a character for just Will would not make since unless it's Anastasia. Will right now is a glorified extra. They use him for comic relief and side plots. So if Drizella actually appears it'll be with her sisters too, once he takes a serious role or centric in the show. And hopefully if she ever appears (which I doubt) they should change her name so her short name wouldn't be Ella or ....shudders...Drizzy.

      Well, that's the point, they said Will becomes more important in 4B, so a Cinderella subplot may be in the wings, among other things. Also, I think her shortened name would be Dri, Driz, or Zel. So Ana, Dri, and Ella. It sounds good.

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    • The Red-Orange-Fuschia-Queen wrote:
      Maybe Cinderella is Drizella. Just speculating her of course, but probably in Once there is only 1 mean step sister and that would be Anastacia. Ella's real name could be Drizella, before her family started calling her Cinderella, to mock that she's dirty of ashes. Anyway, I just want Anastasia. She's the reason I kept on watching Once:Wonderland because Will and Anastasia are just awesome. Alice and Cyrus? Meh...

      There has to be at least 2 stepsisters to Cinderella. We saw extras playing them in 104, and Ana's mother refered to sisters (plural) when talking to Ana. So the other sister may not be called Drizella (although I think she will be), but she has to be there.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      The Red-Orange-Fuschia-Queen wrote:
      Maybe Cinderella is Drizella. Just speculating her of course, but probably in Once there is only 1 mean step sister and that would be Anastacia. Ella's real name could be Drizella, before her family started calling her Cinderella, to mock that she's dirty of ashes. Anyway, I just want Anastasia. She's the reason I kept on watching Once:Wonderland because Will and Anastasia are just awesome. Alice and Cyrus? Meh...
      There has to be at least 2 stepsisters to Cinderella. We saw extras playing them in 104, and Ana's mother refered to sisters (plural) when talking to Ana. So the other sister may not be called Drizella (although I think she will be), but she has to be there.

      Really? Then, opps, I must have missed that. Having two stepsisters is even better! So let's all be in a praying circle, hoping for more Ana. 

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    • I also hope that it is confirmed that Anastasia is indeed Cinderella's step sister. I really want to see their interaction before Cinderella became a princess.Before Rumpel actually zapped fairy godmotehr into ashes. *Shudder*

      I also really want to see what Jabberwocky was refering - that abusive / mental trauma Anastasia experienced with her mom to the point she was tearing during the interrogation. 

      I think it will be cool to see that! And myabe Drizzy will be the strong beyotchy one, while Anastasia will be the weak one - following Drizzy everywhere. After all in Cinderella III, It was portrayed that Anastasia was not that bad. She was just misunderstood. 

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    • I believe that Ana is Ella's stepsister and I find it funny that Cinderella was happy that she became a princess while her stepsister became a queen.

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    • Well, there's no reason why Ella should even know Ana became a queen. What surprises me is that Ashley is fine being a maid or waitress and working at Granny's when she used to be a princess. Like, why is everyone in Storybrooke perfectly content with their lives, even those who used to be royals? Eric is a fishmonger, for Christ's sake. I'd hate it if my life got turned around like that.

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    • Some people like the simplicity of their Storybrooke lives rather than the whole fairytale kingdom drama.

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    • Simplicity? They just got rid of the Snow Queen who cast a spell that made everyone go batpoop crazy and try to kill each other (though no one apparently died, how lucky) and now they've got a fricking hellbeast to worry about when the show returns. Seems like things are even worse now. But with Internet. Internet makes things bearable.

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      Some people like the simplicity of their Storybrooke lives rather than the whole fairytale kingdom drama.

      Agreed.... Ginny mentioned in one of the specials, that Snow White is happiest in Storybrooke because it lacks the pomp and circumstance of the Enchanted Forest.

      I would not be surprised, if all the royals love Storybrooke, just because they could be normal. Aurora wanted a fresh strart, back in Season 2. While she is confused about technoloy, she seems perfectly content with the quiet life. If Eric was unhappy, it was because he was alone.... which had nothing to do, with being the town finshmonger. 

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    • The real question is why do other royals have no say in the town, when Snow and co. seem to rule it and them. It'll be nice if their was a council of royalty every now and then. Because we now Storybrooke isn't a democracy, have a regular justice system, or any fundamental infrastructure/ bureaucracy. The power stays in Snow or Regina's hands and the Sheriff and deputy are family to the acting mayor and related to the mayor. Why is it the mayor's job to fix a generator?

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    • Rena Charming wrote:
      Well, there's no reason why Ella should even know Ana became a queen. What surprises me is that Ashley is fine being a maid or waitress and working at Granny's when she used to be a princess. Like, why is everyone in Storybrooke perfectly content with their lives, even those who used to be royals? Eric is a fishmonger, for Christ's sake. I'd hate it if my life got turned around like that.

      This is actually a really good point. While it makes sense that everyone was content (or discontent, if Regina's curse truly worked) when they were under the curse in season 1, once they had their original memories back in season 2, wouldn't the royals want to be royals again? I mean a King got turned into a DA, and he's just okay with it. People who lived in giant palaces now live in modest suburban homes, and they are just okay with it. Sure the peasants lives sugnificatly improved, and I'm sure everyone apprecates modern convinences like flush toilets and instant coffee, but for the royals, living in StoryBrooke is still a downgrade to their life in the Enchanted Forest.

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    • As for Aurora, I think she's happiest in Storybrooke simply because that's where almost everyone is these days. The Enchanted Forest became a barren place after the curse. A lot of the people who were spared in her quarter of the land were either killed by ogres or by Cora (those in the safe haven). She wanted to follow her new friends (Mary Margaret and Emma) back to their land to keep from being alone, until she learned she couldn't, and that there was a chance at getting Phillip back. Now that she has her family and she can be in Storybrooke, I'm sure she's happier. Until Maleficent resurfaces, of course. :P

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    • Here's the thing that I see.  The royals are perfectly content, because they don't have to make the decisions on a daily basis.  They can go hunting, horseback riding, or whatever, without the constant reminder of ruling over the lives of others.  Regina and Snow want that, they can have it.

      Even Charming seems more content with being the Sheriff than with being King. And honestly, I think it fits his personality better anyway.

      As to the "Royal Council", That may be coming up with the QOD and Chernabog all coming to Storybrooke (as well as the eventual return of Gold).  There's going to be enough stuff to go around to keep everyone busy.  From a story perspective it makes sense.  Now the question becomes whether A & E can get the actors together, and make the story flow correctly for TV.

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    • I doubt we'd ever see every royal in the show all in one place. LOL

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    • Nicole Munoz has been retweeting OUAT promo a lot lately. Maybe she will reprise her role as Lily.. maybe she's just a fan of the show. 

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    • Nakis91 wrote:
      Nicole Munoz has been retweeting OUAT promo a lot lately. Maybe she will reprise her role as Lily.. maybe she's just a fan of the show. 


      She is reprising her role, it is already confirmed :) Just check the episode page :)

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Nakis91 wrote:
      Nicole Munoz has been retweeting OUAT promo a lot lately. Maybe she will reprise her role as Lily.. maybe she's just a fan of the show. 

      She is reprising her role, it is already confirmed :) Just check the episode page :)


      Ooooh ok, I haven't been able to check the forum lately thanks. 

      So, the whole "Agnes Bruckner is Old Lily" dicussion has ended? Because Bruckner posted some pics from the set and she actually looks like Old Lily hahahaha.

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    • We still don't have the confirmation Agnes is old Lily :)

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    • I see. Thank you :)

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    • I know everybodies been complaining if Agnes is playing Adult Lily, but if you look at the pictures on her Instagram, when she has dark hair and the right makeup she does look like a Latina.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      I know everybodies been complaining if Agnes is playing Adult Lily, but if you look at the pictures on her Instagram, when she has dark hair and the right makeup she does look like a Latina.

      True. As disappointing as them white-washing the role is, if Agnes was cast over actual Latina actresses, it must be because she was the most talented (like how Jamie is Korean, but was so talented, they hired her to play Chinese Mulan regardless). If she has the talent and she can look Latina, I'll be fine with this.

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    • It also goes beyond race and talent: she has to LOOK like Nicole Muñoz, the actress who originated the role. OUaT has ALWAYS done a wonderful job casting younger (and sometimes older) versions of characters, starting by hiring young actors who have similar facial features and who can mimick the mannerisms of the original actors. Bailee Madison as young Snow White was perfect casting. Maybe Agnes Bruckner - if she does play old Lily, which she most likely does - just has similar facial features to Muñoz's.

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    • From that pic on Twitter, I'd say she resembles Lily closely enough. And let's put it this way: if she wasn't gonna play Lily, they'd probably already shot down that theory. They don't usually let us think something that's wrong, not for a long time anyway. Which is why I will always be confident that Ana is Ella's stepsister: because Jane Espenson said she couldn't confirm it. If it were false, she'd probably just say it was false.

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    • Rena Charming wrote:
      From that pic on Twitter, I'd say she resembles Lily closely enough. And let's put it this way: if she wasn't gonna play Lily, they'd probably already shot down that theory. They don't usually let us think something that's wrong, not for a long time anyway. Which is why I will always be confident that Ana is Ella's stepsister: because Jane Espenson said she couldn't confirm it. If it were false, she'd probably just say it was false.

      Right on both accounts.

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    • Good points, Edward and Rena. Time will tell, but I think all signs point to Agnes playing Adult Lily, which, based on Once's previous casting choices, was probably the right call.

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    • Rena Charming wrote:
      It also goes beyond race and talent: she has to LOOK like Nicole Muñoz, the actress who originated the role. OUaT has ALWAYS done a wonderful job casting younger (and sometimes older) versions of characters, starting by hiring young actors who have similar facial features and who can mimick the mannerisms of the original actors. Bailee Madison as young Snow White was perfect casting. Maybe Agnes Bruckner - if she does play old Lily, which she most likely does - just has similar facial features to Muñoz's.


      OH MY GOD Watching Bailee Madison feels like a time machine thing. They look SO much alike its scary..

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    • I hope Lily will be a pretty important character.... I don't want this episode being like the Lacey episode: a totally pointless episode near to end of the season.

      This season sounds pretty promising, but Lily getting an episode instead of Will or the Author is kinda lackluster 

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      I hope Lily will be a pretty important character.... I don't want this episode being like the Lacey episode: a totally pointless episode near to end of the season.

      This season sounds pretty promising, but Lily getting an episode instead of Will or the Author is kinda lackluster 

      Will is definitly getting an episode, we just don't know when, and Lily may very well be The Author, so that would take care of that as well. Also, I don't think Lacey is a pointless episode, especially considering how important Robin is to the plot now.

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    • Meh, the Robin Hood story could have been told quite well without 2.19 having been a thing, even though I liked the circling back to Snow's arrow (that never missed its target) introduced in 1.16. Nice continuity there. I agree that 2.19 is a pretty pointless episode, because the whole thing with the persona of Lacey never amounted to anything worthwhile. Just a poor excuse to keep Belle relatively occupied during one of the many periods of the series in which the writers didn't know what to do with her. I'm sure it was fun for Emilie to play yet a different persona within the same role, but for us as viewers it was just ugh.

      And are we SURE that Will gets an episode? Cos, I very much doubt that 4.20 ("Mother") is about him. Would the writers really dedicate one (or both) of the last two episodes to a character who has been so useless all season long? I wouldn't mind that, I love Will, I loved Wonderland, but I just can't picture that happening, especially if the Queens of Darkness are all still around.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Will is definitly getting an episode, we just don't know when

      I do not think so.... we are probably just going to see how Will Scarlet met Robin Hood, which is going to be in 4.17.

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    • Especially considering that 4x22 (the season finale) could be an episode without flashbacks scenes, like the Season 3 finale.They need time to solve this season storyline and set up the next season 

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    • Will can get 421, because maybe some of his backstory leads into Season 5. Besides, Baelfire got 221, and did any of us expect that. Answer: No.

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    • Like I said before, if Anastasia doesn't show up at least once, this whole season will automatically be considered a failure.

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    • WorldHopper22 wrote: Like I said before, if Anastasia doesn't show up at least once, this whole season will automatically be considered a failure.

      ...

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    • Why didn't any of us expect Baelfire to have 221? The episode was called "Second Star to the Right" and we knew that way before it aired, I think a lot of us gathered that Baelfire had ties to Neverland because of his age thingy and because he knew Hook. I don't remember anymore, season 2 was a while ago. :P

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    • WorldHopper22 wrote:
      Like I said before, if Anastasia doesn't show up at least once, this whole season will automatically be considered a failure.

      Why?

      It is not like Will Scarlet is important to the plot. Just because Michael Socha is on contract, does not mean anything.

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    • I agree. However, this is not the place to discuss the relative merits of Michael Socha/Will Scarlet/Knave.  Let's keep this focused on Lily, the episode.

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    • Rena Charming wrote:
      Why didn't any of us expect Baelfire to have 221? The episode was called "Second Star to the Right" and we knew that way before it aired, I think a lot of us gathered that Baelfire had ties to Neverland because of his age thingy and because he knew Hook. I don't remember anymore, season 2 was a while ago. :P

      I meant before we knew the episode title. No one would be like: So the penultimate episode of season 2, that's going to be Baelfire-centric. Actually, the last two episodes will be. lol

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      I meant before we knew the episode title. No one would be like: So the penultimate episode of season 2, that's going to be Baelfire-centric. Actually, the last two episodes will be. lol

      Really? Everyone knew that the Season 2 finale would be about Neverland. It was so obvious, OUaT was leading up to Peter Pan, ever since Hook debuted.

      Considering Lily's storyline will be tied up, in the penultimate episode; she will probably be revealed, as the Sorcerer's daughter. Her star birthmark implied, that she was connected to the Hat. Emma never had a true connection to "normal people", before she came to Storybrooke. ;)

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    • I have a feeling that there are going to be some interesting scenes with Lily.  Assuming for the moment that Agnes Bruckner is portraying the adult Lily, there have been BTS photos of her with Kristen, Bex, and JMo (just to name a few). Now, those may be just the stars chatting off camera, but just the simple fact that all 4 women are in Vancouver at the same time would seem to imply at least a little bit of shared screen time. (or in this case, massive scenery chewing.)

      And, if Lily is the sorcerer's daughter, she is likely (though Not Guaranteed) to be magical herself.  Just what we need, another Queen of Darkness.  Can we get a call out for at least ONE more King of Darkness besides Rumple? :)

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      I meant before we knew the episode title. No one would be like: So the penultimate episode of season 2, that's going to be Baelfire-centric. Actually, the last two episodes will be. lol

      Really? Everyone knew that the Season 2 finale would be about Neverland. It was so obvious, OUaT was leading up to Peter Pan, ever since Hook debuted.

      Considering Lily's storyline will be tied up, in the penultimate episode; she will probably be revealed, as the Sorcerer's daughter. Her star birthmark implied, that she was connected to the Hat. Emma never had a true connection to "normal people", before she came to Storybrooke. ;)

      Well, we suspected Neverland was coming, but I don't think anyone specifically predicted that Baelfire would be the lead character in the flashbacks. I'm sure people mentioned Hook (and he did play a role in the season finale flashback), but the main character for both 221 and 222 flashbacks was Bae.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I have a feeling that there are going to be some interesting scenes with Lily.  Assuming for the moment that Agnes Bruckner is portraying the adult Lily, there have been BTS photos of her with Kristen, Bex, and JMo (just to name a few). Now, those may be just the stars chatting off camera, but just the simple fact that all 4 women are in Vancouver at the same time would seem to imply at least a little bit of shared screen time. (or in this case, massive scenery chewing.)

      And, if Lily is the sorcerer's daughter, she is likely (though Not Guaranteed) to be magical herself.  Just what we need, another Queen of Darkness.  Can we get a call out for at least ONE more King of Darkness besides Rumple? :)

      I think Jafar was our one taste of a good male villain for now. The majority of fairy tale and Disney villains are female. So unless Once does a Hamlet/Lion King, Hercules, Princess & The Frog, or Tarzan arc, or decides to expand on Gaston, Hans or Hook as major male antagonists, we probably won't get too many male Disney villains on Once anytime soon.

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    • Well I think Hook is too much of a hero now to go back, and we wouldn't want him to go back either. Can't imagine what could drive him over the edge and back to full-blown villainous side, especially cos it seems he was never all that evil to begin with (attempting to gut Belle like a fish in the 2.09 flashback kinda seems like the worst thing he ever attempted to do...). I don't see them ever doing a Lion King story, especially because the movie was directly mentioned in the 3rd season finale - I think that might be all we ever get, just references. Hercules I guess could be a thing cos of Medusa having already appeared, but it's still hard to imagine either Hercules or Tarzan figuring into the story, but it was also hard to imagine Cruella and they're doing her now. I doubt Gaston ever appears again, and Hans is done with along with the rest of the Frozen arc's characters. I think it could be really cool if they did Dr. Facilier because of the whole voodoo thing - eerie stuff, could be awesome if done well, giving the show a more otherworldy supernatural feel, like ep 3.18, which was pretty good. That being said, I so wish they do more classic fairytale/old tale characters like the Snow Queen, rather than actual Disney villains, since they're doing THREE of them at once now. Next villain should maybe be someone who isn't named by Disney works.

      As for the Author, I SO want it to be Scheherazade, like, I will probably be incredibly disappointed if it isn't her.

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    • And as far as Lily goes - to get back on track with the thread's topic - I guess I'd be fine with her being Maleficent's daughter, if it's done right. I just kinda hope Maleficent doesn't have a romantic history with King Stefan but I think that's gonna happen, probably making Lily and Aurora siblings. If the theory (which seems to be random) is proven correct. Has Aurora even been filming? I want more of her like crazy. :(

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    • Rena Charming wrote:
      And as far as Lily goes - to get back on track with the thread's topic - I guess I'd be fine with her being Maleficent's daughter, if it's done right. I just kinda hope Maleficent doesn't have a romantic history with King Stefan but I think that's gonna happen, probably making Lily and Aurora siblings. If the theory (which seems to be random) is proven correct. Has Aurora even been filming? I want more of her like crazy. :(

      She was filming for 414 and 415. That's all we know right now, but I would be suprised if we don't see her again after those episodes.

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    • I wonder who this Parker Magnumson is, on the Wiki page for this episode. Looks like he's a little blonde boy. Intrigue.

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    • DarlingDavies wrote:
      I wonder who this Parker Magnumson is, on the Wiki page for this episode. Looks like he's a little blonde boy. Intrigue.

      Maybe he's Lily's son, and the person saw him from far away and thought he was a girl, thus saying Lily's daughter was shooting. Of course, we don't actually know if Agnes is Lily yet, but it looks pretty likely at this point.

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    • Maybe Lily's son? I know she has a child, it seems. I thought they said daughter though.

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    • Wiki page still has a listing for Lily's daughter. Hmm. She could have 2 children?

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    • I think CoolDude keeps ninja'ing me. :P

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    • Rena Charming wrote:
      I think CoolDude keeps ninja'ing me. :P

      I really do, not on purpose though. lol

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    • DarlingDavies wrote:
      Wiki page still has a listing for Lily's daughter. Hmm. She could have 2 children?

      That's possible as well. And knowing this show the father will be August. lol

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      DarlingDavies wrote:
      Wiki page still has a listing for Lily's daughter. Hmm. She could have 2 children?

      That's possible as well. And knowing this show the father will be August. lol

      Wouldn't that be the way? August WAS very...worldly.

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    • DarlingDavies wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      DarlingDavies wrote:
      Wiki page still has a listing for Lily's daughter. Hmm. She could have 2 children?
      That's possible as well. And knowing this show the father will be August. lol

      Wouldn't that be the way? August WAS very...worldly.

      So is the ship name WoodenLily or FlowerPuppet? lol

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      DarlingDavies wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      DarlingDavies wrote:
      Wiki page still has a listing for Lily's daughter. Hmm. She could have 2 children?
      That's possible as well. And knowing this show the father will be August. lol

      Wouldn't that be the way? August WAS very...worldly.

      So is the ship name WoodenLily or FlowerPuppet? lol

      I greatly enjoy FlowerPuppet.

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    • DarlingDavies wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      DarlingDavies wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:


      DarlingDavies wrote:
      Wiki page still has a listing for Lily's daughter. Hmm. She could have 2 children?
      That's possible as well. And knowing this show the father will be August. lol
      Wouldn't that be the way? August WAS very...worldly.
      So is the ship name WoodenLily or FlowerPuppet? lol

      I greatly enjoy FlowerPuppet.

      Flower Puppet makes me tingle with hope for romance.

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    • What if Lily is the daughter of Maleficent and the Sorcerer, and I'm really loving #FlowerPuppet

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    • Ok. Here's a funny thought.  Let's say for a minute that Mal is Lily's Mom (yet to be determined). August (in his worldly ways) knocks up Lily say about 12 or so years ago (about the same time as Neal knocks up Emma).  Lily has a daughter that is around the same age as Henry. (It would be almost freaky if they have the same exact birthdate).

      Now, a few years down the road, Henry and Lily end up getting married.  You think Thanksgiving sucks now, just wait until that dinner. add Mal and Lily to the Mix, and who knows who else, depending on who Lily's dad is.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      DarlingDavies wrote:
      I wonder who this Parker Magnumson is, on the Wiki page for this episode. Looks like he's a little blonde boy. Intrigue.
      Maybe he's Lily's son, and the person saw him from far away and thought he was a girl, thus saying Lily's daughter was shooting. Of course, we don't actually know if Agnes is Lily yet, but it looks pretty likely at this point.


      IMDb website says the character this young boy will play is named Zach. So we get a new clue here.

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    • Assuming they're correct :3

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    • Isn't IMDb edited by the actors' representatives too or something like that? That Parker Magnuson must have been added to the episode by someone related to him somehow, and therefore a more reliable source.

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    • If I'm not mistaken, anyone can "suggest" an edit to any imdb page. They're supposedly reviewed and approved first. As a generality, they're a decent source, but some bad information does slip in.

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    • Does anyone else think that this is the episode where Ursula is defeated? Her name isn't listed anymore after this.

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    • MyPretties wrote: Does anyone else think that this is the episode where Ursula is defeated? Her name isn't listed anymore after this.

      possibly, she may be in episodes after but it is possible. she may be the first QOD to be taken out and she is the least interesting one of the three. also according to the synopsis for Poor Unfortunate Soul, she is just a second-rate Ariel (the episode may change my mind).

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    • SnowKingTE wrote:

      MyPretties wrote: Does anyone else think that this is the episode where Ursula is defeated? Her name isn't listed anymore after this.

      possibly, she may be in episodes after but it is possible. she may be the first QOD to be taken out and she is the least interesting one of the three. also according to the synopsis for Poor Unfortunate Soul, she is just a second-rate Ariel (the episode may change my mind).

      Cruella isn't listed in any episodes after Sympathy for the DeVill so it is very likely the QoD will die too soon
      
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    • The queens don't have to die to disappear. WIth the one sneak peek from Poor Unfortunate Soul, one possibility that I could see them taking with Ursula is that Hook is actually able to deliver what Ursula wants. It sure looks like he knows what it is, and is probably responsible for whatever happened. Having gotten what she wants, she is satisfied to take her winnings and go home.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      The queens don't have to die to disappear. WIth the one sneak peek from Poor Unfortunate Soul, one possibility that I could see them taking with Ursula is that Hook is actually able to deliver what Ursula wants. It sure looks like he knows what it is, and is probably responsible for whatever happened. Having gotten what she wants, she is satisfied to take her winnings and go home.

      Or at least leave the QoD. Because whatever she wants probably wouldn't work in the LWM.

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    • also aren't some actors not listed until the press release? maybe they be listed until then. (but i don't follow filming pics/videos so i wouldn't know if she's not in those)

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    • Even following the filming pics, you don't see everything.  Some of the filming is done behind closed doors, some of it in studio (green screen).  In either of these cases, you probably would not know who's in a scene until at least Promo Pics (where ABC releases some of studio shots) are released. That is usually Tuesday or Wednesday the week leading up to the airing.

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    • ^so then it would be safe to say that just because they aren't listed doesn't mean they won't appear. (and Lily airs in April, so we have time to find out if they are, especially if the pics aren't usually released until the tues/wed before said episode)

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    • Kncooper wrote:
      ^so then it would be safe to say that just because they aren't listed doesn't mean they won't appear. (and Lily airs in April, so we have time to find out if they are, especially if the pics aren't usually released until the tues/wed before said episode)

      Yes, exactly, I love how everybody freaks out that characters are gone when they could just be in buildings all these episodes, and thus were not seen filming. I mean look at Sympathy for the De Vil, we have 5 staring cast confirmed, and Cruella as the only guest star. I'm pretty sure we will see more than 6 characters in that episode.

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    • I must say, angry, pale, red-eyed Emma is FIRE! The promo gives me life.

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    • The best promo part is ............The Sorcerer and Apprentice scene.


      Oh, right there is Lily and Emma.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      The best promo part is ............The Sorcerer and Apprentice scene.


      Oh, right there is Lily and Emma.

      Well no... hahaha I need more from the Sorcerer to get excited. The best part for me is Emma vs Lily and what's to come from that.

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    • Nakis91 wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:
      The best promo part is ............The Sorcerer and Apprentice scene.


      Oh, right there is Lily and Emma.

      Well no... hahaha I need more from the Sorcerer to get excited. The best part for me is Emma vs Lily and what's to come from that.

      Well, for me they started with the Sorcerer and then...I was trying to maintain for the rest I had to rewatch the promo.

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    • The best part of the promo for me was when Lily punched Emma. Lily is my new favorite Character just for that reason. lol. Now if only she can punch Mary Margaret. 

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    • The way I see it.... Lily deserves revenge. And someone start the Mortal Combat theme song!

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    • I don't know if it is just a coincidence but the Sorcerer's voice reminds me of Mufasa from Lion King. And that smoke was so familiar I looked up where I saw it before. It was in Pocahontas 1. The scene with the gathering of Native Americans around a fire.

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    • Magician123 wrote: I don't know if it is just a coincidence but the Sorcerer's voice reminds me of Mufasa from Lion King. And that smoke was so familiar I looked up where I saw it before. It was in Pocahontas 1. The scene with the gathering of Native Americans around a fire.

      Interesting. Maybe they are going for a more spiritual vibe. At least we know the Apprentice isn't a nutjob in the woods talking to himself about the Sorcerer. All we need now are names....and freeing him from the hat! Plus, where is the Sorcerer? Why is he speaking through a cauldron, like the Black Cauldron?

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Magician123 wrote: I don't know if it is just a coincidence but the Sorcerer's voice reminds me of Mufasa from Lion King. And that smoke was so familiar I looked up where I saw it before. It was in Pocahontas 1. The scene with the gathering of Native Americans around a fire.

      Interesting. Maybe they are going for a more spiritual vibe. At least we know the Apprentice isn't a nutjob in the woods talking to himself about the Sorcerer. All we need now are names....and freeing him from the hat! Plus, where is the Sorcerer? Why is he speaking through a cauldron, like the Black Cauldron?

      Plot Twist: The Sorceror is the Horned King, trapped in the Cauldron and corrupted after thousands of years in suspended animation.

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    • Since Ursula will appear in this episode... I wonder if Maleficent will go after her to kill her

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    • I doubt she will appear. A lot of our guessing has been wrong. Like we thought the Hoods would appear in Best Laid Plans, and that Aurora would appear in Poor Unfortunate Soul.

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    • Edzz wrote: I doubt she will appear. A lot of our guessing has been wrong. Like we thought the Hoods would appear in Best Laid Plans, and that Aurora would appear in Poor Unfortunate Soul.

      I think Ursula will appear because I have a theory that Ursula went back to the forest and saved Lily.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Rena Charming wrote:
      Well, there's no reason why Ella should even know Ana became a queen. What surprises me is that Ashley is fine being a maid or waitress and working at Granny's when she used to be a princess. Like, why is everyone in Storybrooke perfectly content with their lives, even those who used to be royals? Eric is a fishmonger, for Christ's sake. I'd hate it if my life got turned around like that.

      This is actually a really good point. While it makes sense that everyone was content (or discontent, if Regina's curse truly worked) when they were under the curse in season 1, once they had their original memories back in season 2, wouldn't the royals want to be royals again? I mean a King got turned into a DA, and he's just okay with it. People who lived in giant palaces now live in modest suburban homes, and they are just okay with it. Sure the peasants lives sugnificatly improved, and I'm sure everyone apprecates modern convinences like flush toilets and instant coffee, but for the royals, living in StoryBrooke is still a downgrade to their life in the Enchanted Forest.

      I'd like to add that King George still had a position of power as DA. His fate wasn't that different from Regina's, in how his Storybrooke identity changed from his Enchanted Forest one.

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    • MBrody wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Rena Charming wrote:
      Well, there's no reason why Ella should even know Ana became a queen. What surprises me is that Ashley is fine being a maid or waitress and working at Granny's when she used to be a princess. Like, why is everyone in Storybrooke perfectly content with their lives, even those who used to be royals? Eric is a fishmonger, for Christ's sake. I'd hate it if my life got turned around like that.
      This is actually a really good point. While it makes sense that everyone was content (or discontent, if Regina's curse truly worked) when they were under the curse in season 1, once they had their original memories back in season 2, wouldn't the royals want to be royals again? I mean a King got turned into a DA, and he's just okay with it. People who lived in giant palaces now live in modest suburban homes, and they are just okay with it. Sure the peasants lives sugnificatly improved, and I'm sure everyone apprecates modern convinences like flush toilets and instant coffee, but for the royals, living in StoryBrooke is still a downgrade to their life in the Enchanted Forest.

      I'd like to add that King George still had a position of power as DA. His fate wasn't that different from Regina's, in how his Storybrooke identity changed from his Enchanted Forest one.

      You guys seem to have forgotten that THEY COULDN'T LEAVE! That was the whole point of We Are Both. Everyone wanted to go back, but they couldn't and so they just had to get back to what they were doing during the curse. And remember this: they were still in a world where they know nothing except what their counterparts did. They might have decided that it would be easier to do what they know about in a strange world...

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I have a feeling that there are going to be some interesting scenes with Lily.  Assuming for the moment that Agnes Bruckner is portraying the adult Lily, there have been BTS photos of her with Kristen, Bex, and JMo (just to name a few). Now, those may be just the stars chatting off camera, but just the simple fact that all 4 women are in Vancouver at the same time would seem to imply at least a little bit of shared screen time. (or in this case, massive scenery chewing.)

      And, if Lily is the sorcerer's daughter, she is likely (though Not Guaranteed) to be magical herself.  Just what we need, another Queen of Darkness.  Can we get a call out for at least ONE more King of Darkness besides Rumple? :)

      I think Jafar was our one taste of a good male villain for now. The majority of fairy tale and Disney villains are female. So unless Once does a Hamlet/Lion King, Hercules, Princess & The Frog, or Tarzan arc, or decides to expand on Gaston, Hans or Hook as major male antagonists, we probably won't get too many male Disney villains on Once anytime soon.

      The villain of Hercules was female. Hercules's nemesis was Juno.

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    • MBrody wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:


      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I have a feeling that there are going to be some interesting scenes with Lily.  Assuming for the moment that Agnes Bruckner is portraying the adult Lily, there have been BTS photos of her with Kristen, Bex, and JMo (just to name a few). Now, those may be just the stars chatting off camera, but just the simple fact that all 4 women are in Vancouver at the same time would seem to imply at least a little bit of shared screen time. (or in this case, massive scenery chewing.)

      And, if Lily is the sorcerer's daughter, she is likely (though Not Guaranteed) to be magical herself.  Just what we need, another Queen of Darkness.  Can we get a call out for at least ONE more King of Darkness besides Rumple? :)

      I think Jafar was our one taste of a good male villain for now. The majority of fairy tale and Disney villains are female. So unless Once does a Hamlet/Lion King, Hercules, Princess & The Frog, or Tarzan arc, or decides to expand on Gaston, Hans or Hook as major male antagonists, we probably won't get too many male Disney villains on Once anytime soon.
      The villain of Hercules was female. Hercules's nemesis was Juno.

      In the real myth, that's true. But in the Disney universe, his villain is Hades.

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    • Dr. Kangaroo wrote:

      MBrody wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:


      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I have a feeling that there are going to be some interesting scenes with Lily.  Assuming for the moment that Agnes Bruckner is portraying the adult Lily, there have been BTS photos of her with Kristen, Bex, and JMo (just to name a few). Now, those may be just the stars chatting off camera, but just the simple fact that all 4 women are in Vancouver at the same time would seem to imply at least a little bit of shared screen time. (or in this case, massive scenery chewing.)

      And, if Lily is the sorcerer's daughter, she is likely (though Not Guaranteed) to be magical herself.  Just what we need, another Queen of Darkness.  Can we get a call out for at least ONE more King of Darkness besides Rumple? :)

      I think Jafar was our one taste of a good male villain for now. The majority of fairy tale and Disney villains are female. So unless Once does a Hamlet/Lion King, Hercules, Princess & The Frog, or Tarzan arc, or decides to expand on Gaston, Hans or Hook as major male antagonists, we probably won't get too many male Disney villains on Once anytime soon.
      The villain of Hercules was female. Hercules's nemesis was Juno.

      In the real myth, that's true. But in the Disney universe, his villain is Hades.

      Well, I was mainly thinking that if Heracles's story came onto Once Upon a Time, it would be Hera as the villain, not Hades. The fact that they switched that in the Disney film had always annoyed me. I'm very particular when it comes to Greek mythology.

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    • MBrody wrote:

      Dr. Kangaroo wrote:

      MBrody wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:


      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I have a feeling that there are going to be some interesting scenes with Lily.  Assuming for the moment that Agnes Bruckner is portraying the adult Lily, there have been BTS photos of her with Kristen, Bex, and JMo (just to name a few). Now, those may be just the stars chatting off camera, but just the simple fact that all 4 women are in Vancouver at the same time would seem to imply at least a little bit of shared screen time. (or in this case, massive scenery chewing.)

      And, if Lily is the sorcerer's daughter, she is likely (though Not Guaranteed) to be magical herself.  Just what we need, another Queen of Darkness.  Can we get a call out for at least ONE more King of Darkness besides Rumple? :)

      I think Jafar was our one taste of a good male villain for now. The majority of fairy tale and Disney villains are female. So unless Once does a Hamlet/Lion King, Hercules, Princess & The Frog, or Tarzan arc, or decides to expand on Gaston, Hans or Hook as major male antagonists, we probably won't get too many male Disney villains on Once anytime soon.
      The villain of Hercules was female. Hercules's nemesis was Juno.

      In the real myth, that's true. But in the Disney universe, his villain is Hades.

      Well, I was mainly thinking that if Heracles's story came onto Once Upon a Time, it would be Hera as the villain, not Hades. The fact that they switched that in the Disney film had always annoyed me. I'm very particular when it comes to Greek mythology.

      Well the thing about the Disneyfied Hercules movie is that they made Hera Hercules' biological mother. All of the changes they made to the Hercules story to make it child friendly, I'm thinking that the only logical villain was Hades.

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    • Dr. Kangaroo wrote:

      You guys seem to have forgotten that THEY COULDN'T LEAVE! That was the whole point of We Are Both. Everyone wanted to go back, but they couldn't and so they just had to get back to what they were doing during the curse. And remember this: they were still in a world where they know nothing except what their counterparts did. They might have decided that it would be easier to do what they know about in a strange world...

      That montage at the end of "We Are Both" showed everyone going to back to some kind of life, including putting up a sign for a new cobbler. They melded their lives when they could.

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    • Wait, how does Lily know all those things about Emma's parents and her story? I'm curious, and I'm also glad we don't have to don't have to go through the "believe in fairy tales" story again.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote: Wait, how does Lily know all those things about Emma's parents and her story? I'm curious, and I'm also glad we don't have to don't have to go through the "believe in fairy tales" story again.

      I'm thinking that Ursula found Lily and told her everything.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Wait, how does Lily know all those things about Emma's parents and her story? I'm curious, and I'm also glad we don't have to don't have to go through the "believe in fairy tales" story again.

      Maybe Rumple found her and told her everything during his brief exile from Storybrooke

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    • I  doubt Rumple found her during his NYC Visit.  He spent his time trying to locate Ursula and Cruella. Particularly since, unlike the QOD, it seems that Lily and her adoptive family did not hang around the NE area.  Remember that Emma encounters Lily in Hopkins, MN. So it would probably take quite a bit to find her. 

      I see Ursula possibly returning and rescuing Lily and dropping her off at the adoption agency, but that is about the extent of it. and that still would not explain why the ladies lied about finding Lily.

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    • it better be a good explanation. It took emma an entire first season to believe all the magic stuff and who she was. If they boil everything down to one conversation where lily simply believes and gets mad, it would be a real shame...but i guess they don't have time to draw it all out.

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    • There is a slight difference between Season 1 and Now.  In season 1, All Emma had to go on was the word of a 10 year old kid, who claimed that he was her son. Emma was someone who had trust issues (still does, for that matter), and did not believe anything without solid proof.

      we don't know much about Lily, but when she arrives in Storybrooke, she is going to know Emma. She may be pissed at her, and rightfully so, but she is going to have a whole lot more to go on than Emma did. She may also not have the belief issues that Emma had.

      Also, I doubt Lily will just "up and believe".  we have 2 episodes ("Lily" and "Mother") to introduce the Adult version of Lily, and those will probably involve her coming to terms with HER EF heritage, and the fact that she is the daughter of "the Mistress of all Evil".

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    • You guys are making some theories based on a 30 seconds promo.

      For all we know, Maleficent reunited with Lily and told her everything then Lily meets with Emma. 

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    • Nakis91 wrote:
      You guys are making some theories based on a 30 seconds promo.

      For all we know, Maleficent reunited with Lily and told her everything then Lily meets with Emma. 

      That's what we do. :-)  And your theory is just as valid as many others that have been posted.

      Though in all honesty, it's not usually based on JUST the 30 seconds of Promo. There are tweets from the actors and the producers, interviews posted, BTS pictures, and various other "spoilage" that starts the theorizing long before we ever see the promo.  The Promo just reveals additional details that were (probably) not previously known, and some of which confirm or deny previous theories.

      Also, a lot of the theories I've seen posted here are the result of not only information on the Episode, but also from examination of the previous episodes and understanding the particular writer's style. While there have been some really out there theories (and I am just as guilty as the next person), there have also been some really accurate guesses (at least regarding the broader strokes).  There is a certain amount of predictability in the way that the plots progress, but it is still a fun predictability seeing the exact method used, which is where some of the surprises occur.

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    • Press release for this episode:

      "Emma’s potential for darkness is looming over everyone, but when Emma realizes Maleficent's daughter Lily is in fact her closest friend from her foster care days, she resolves to find Lily and reunite her with her mother. Regina joins forces with Emma and together they set out to track down Lily and to warn Robin about Zelena. However, neither of them is prepared for the harsh realities they’ll encounter in the outside world. Meanwhile, in Storybrooke, Gold faces a crisis involving Belle. In a foster care flashback, things are looking up for young Emma with her new family until Lily’s appearance threatens to destabilize everything."

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    • The most interseting and new thing from this is the crisis involving Belle. We kinda knewa all of the other stuff would happen from the promo. ALso, they defiitely arrive in New York in this ep as Robin, Zelena and Marian are credited.

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    • (Note that I haven't seen any promos) I'm most interested by flashbacks with young Emma and Lily. I'm excited

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    • Did we know Zelena and Robin will be in this episode?

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    • I wonder if the flashbacks are set after Emma ran away from Ingrid?

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      There is a slight difference between Season 1 and Now.  In season 1, All Emma had to go on was the word of a 10 year old kid, who claimed that he was her son. Emma was someone who had trust issues (still does, for that matter), and did not believe anything without solid proof.

      we don't know much about Lily, but when she arrives in Storybrooke, she is going to know Emma. She may be pissed at her, and rightfully so, but she is going to have a whole lot more to go on than Emma did. She may also not have the belief issues that Emma had.

      Also, I doubt Lily will just "up and believe".  we have 2 episodes ("Lily" and "Mother") to introduce the Adult version of Lily, and those will probably involve her coming to terms with HER EF heritage, and the fact that she is the daughter of "the Mistress of all Evil".

      What do you mean Lily has the right to be pissed at Emma? Lily was the one who lied in Breaking Glass. If anyone has the right to be pissed, it's Emma...

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    • Yes, but Lily reached out to her, which was probably very difficult for her, and Emma rejected her. That kind of thing hurts, especially at that age.

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    • Nakis91 wrote:
      Did we know Zelena and Robin will be in this episode?

      We didn't before today, but we knew they would be in Mother.

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    • We've actually been wrong quite a bit lately with our predictions. (granted, Robin and Marian wouldn't have been seen in Steveston) we've been wrong about Ursula for two episodes now.

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    • Dark Fantasy1990 wrote:
      I wonder if the flashbacks are set after Emma ran away from Ingrid?

      I doubt it. Emma when she met Lilly the first time was September or October of 1998 (her 15th year). We also know that it was 1999 by the time she got to Ingrid (her 16th year) and she met Neal when she was 17 (in 2001, her 18th year). After she ran away from Ingrid, she probably decided to live on her own and then fast-forward to Tallahasse.

      Since she has a new family in "Lily", I'm betting this is in-between "Breaking Glass" and "Shattered Sight".

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    • MyPretties wrote:

      MBrody wrote:

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      MBrody wrote:

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      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I have a feeling that there are going to be some interesting scenes with Lily.  Assuming for the moment that Agnes Bruckner is portraying the adult Lily, there have been BTS photos of her with Kristen, Bex, and JMo (just to name a few). Now, those may be just the stars chatting off camera, but just the simple fact that all 4 women are in Vancouver at the same time would seem to imply at least a little bit of shared screen time. (or in this case, massive scenery chewing.)

      And, if Lily is the sorcerer's daughter, she is likely (though Not Guaranteed) to be magical herself.  Just what we need, another Queen of Darkness.  Can we get a call out for at least ONE more King of Darkness besides Rumple? :)

      I think Jafar was our one taste of a good male villain for now. The majority of fairy tale and Disney villains are female. So unless Once does a Hamlet/Lion King, Hercules, Princess & The Frog, or Tarzan arc, or decides to expand on Gaston, Hans or Hook as major male antagonists, we probably won't get too many male Disney villains on Once anytime soon.
      The villain of Hercules was female. Hercules's nemesis was Juno.

      In the real myth, that's true. But in the Disney universe, his villain is Hades.

      Well, I was mainly thinking that if Heracles's story came onto Once Upon a Time, it would be Hera as the villain, not Hades. The fact that they switched that in the Disney film had always annoyed me. I'm very particular when it comes to Greek mythology.

      Well the thing about the Disneyfied Hercules movie is that they made Hera Hercules' biological mother. All of the changes they made to the Hercules story to make it child friendly, I'm thinking that the only logical villain was Hades.

      It's mainly disappointing, because Hades was actually rather decent for a god in the myths. When Heracles enters the Underworld, Hades just lets him have Cerberus, and according to something I read, he took it up with Hera for sending him there. (I also would like to add that the original Snow White fairy tale is an example of a biological mother being a villain.) But I admit that idea might not work for a kids' movie, but I still think there are other villains that could have worked, such as Ares or Kronos, who actually had villainous roles in the myths.

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    • I feel like this episode will answer why the Swan family gave up Emma. I also think Lily has like three kids. I googled the names of new guest stars and three of them are children.

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    • Tails-make-the-fox wrote:
      I feel like this episode will answer why the Swan family gave up Emma. I also think Lily has like three kids. I googled the names of new guest stars and three of them are children.

      Wow ... 3 kids ... I hope she is just a babysitter taking care of 3 children (including her real daughter).

      It looks like Lily will work as a waitress in a restaurant/store ... I don't know how she can afford to raise 3 kids

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    • Tails-make-the-fox wrote: I also think Lily has like three kids. I googled the names of new guest stars and three of them are children.

      They could just be Emma's foster siblings, during the flashback.

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    • Tails-make-the-fox wrote:
      I feel like this episode will answer why the Swan family gave up Emma. I also think Lily has like three kids. I googled the names of new guest stars and three of them are children.

      Lily's child is probably the brunette girl. The other kids are probably with Young Emma and Young Lily in the foster home.

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    • Considering that we are getting teenage Emma and Lily, my first guess is that any child/young actors are going to be flashback friends for Emma and/or Lily.  I have not seen anything (other than speculation here) that Lily has a child. Don't get me wrong, it wouldn't be unreasonable. (And just how would Maleficent take to being called "Grandma", anyway?)

      Of course, you know that if Lily DOES have a daughter, she will most likely be the same age as Henry.  So we finally have a potential ship for Henry (for those that are into that sort of thing).

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      MBrody wrote:

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      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I have a feeling that there are going to be some interesting scenes with Lily.  Assuming for the moment that Agnes Bruckner is portraying the adult Lily, there have been BTS photos of her with Kristen, Bex, and JMo (just to name a few). Now, those may be just the stars chatting off camera, but just the simple fact that all 4 women are in Vancouver at the same time would seem to imply at least a little bit of shared screen time. (or in this case, massive scenery chewing.)

      And, if Lily is the sorcerer's daughter, she is likely (though Not Guaranteed) to be magical herself.  Just what we need, another Queen of Darkness.  Can we get a call out for at least ONE more King of Darkness besides Rumple? :)

      I think Jafar was our one taste of a good male villain for now. The majority of fairy tale and Disney villains are female. So unless Once does a Hamlet/Lion King, Hercules, Princess & The Frog, or Tarzan arc, or decides to expand on Gaston, Hans or Hook as major male antagonists, we probably won't get too many male Disney villains on Once anytime soon.
      The villain of Hercules was female. Hercules's nemesis was Juno.
      In the real myth, that's true. But in the Disney universe, his villain is Hades.

      Well, I was mainly thinking that if Heracles's story came onto Once Upon a Time, it would be Hera as the villain, not Hades. The fact that they switched that in the Disney film had always annoyed me. I'm very particular when it comes to Greek mythology.

      Well the thing about the Disneyfied Hercules movie is that they made Hera Hercules' biological mother. All of the changes they made to the Hercules story to make it child friendly, I'm thinking that the only logical villain was Hades.

      It's mainly disappointing, because Hades was actually rather decent for a god in the myths. When Heracles enters the Underworld, Hades just lets him have Cerberus, and according to something I read, he took it up with Hera for sending him there. (I also would like to add that the original Snow White fairy tale is an example of a biological mother being a villain.) But I admit that idea might not work for a kids' movie, but I still think there are other villains that could have worked, such as Ares or Kronos, who actually had villainous roles in the myths.

      It's because he's the Lord of the Dead, that simple. Death is associated with bad things, the Underworld is associated with Hell. Yeah, they could've gone with other gods, but they made it more Western.

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    • Since Lilly is supposed to be emma's compleat opposite im guessing

      Lily dosent have a stable job

      has a daughter that she kept 

      Maybe an abusive husband 

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    • Darkdude103 wrote: Since Lilly is supposed to be emma's compleat opposite im guessing

      Lily dosent have a stable job

      has a daughter that she kept 

      Maybe an abusive husband 

      What, lol? Emma doesn't even have a husband. If anything, her boyfriends periodically tried to kill or ruin her!

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Darkdude103 wrote: Since Lilly is supposed to be emma's compleat opposite im guessing

      Lily dosent have a stable job

      has a daughter that she kept 

      Maybe an abusive husband 

      What, lol? Emma doesn't even have a husband. If anything, her boyfriends periodically tried to kill or ruin her!

      exactly emma dosent have a husband

      thus lily has one  

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    • Darkdude103 wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:

      Darkdude103 wrote: Since Lilly is supposed to be emma's compleat opposite im guessing

      Lily dosent have a stable job

      has a daughter that she kept 

      Maybe an abusive husband 

      What, lol? Emma doesn't even have a husband. If anything, her boyfriends periodically tried to kill or ruin her!
      exactly emma dosent have a husband

      thus lily has one  

      She had a fiance does that count?

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    • Dark Fantasy1990 wrote:

      Darkdude103 wrote:
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      Darkdude103 wrote: Since Lilly is supposed to be emma's compleat opposite im guessing

      Lily dosent have a stable job

      has a daughter that she kept 

      Maybe an abusive husband 

      What, lol? Emma doesn't even have a husband. If anything, her boyfriends periodically tried to kill or ruin her!
      exactly emma dosent have a husband

      thus lily has one  

      She had a fiance does that count?

      But you said abusive! How is that opposite of no husband? Opposite of a husband is no husband!

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    • Where is this idea that she's the opposite from?

      We've already seen she's not- in their youth, they were both emotionally fragile girls seeking acceptance and friendship. That kind of thing has made Emma who she is, and will have done the same to Lily (albeit differently, she had a stable family) and doesn't exactly go away easily.

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    • Utter solitude wrote: Where is this idea that she's the opposite from?

      We've already seen she's not- in their youth, they were both emotionally fragile girls seeking acceptance and friendship. That kind of thing has made Emma who she is, and will have done the same to Lily (albeit differently, she had a stable family) and doesn't exactly go away easily.

      Since they think that Emma is all light and Lily is darkness, for some reason they have to be opposites, even though they could be the exact same.

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    • I can't help but think of song The Plagues form the Prince of Egypt for Em & Lily.

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    • I've watched that like five times in the past three days XD

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    • I've got the whole soundtrack on my ipod. I've had that song on repeat since I first sawnthe promo....

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    • Didn't the actual promo (either US or Canada) say "They are exactly the same and exactly opposite."? That would imply that dark-haired, tan-skinned Lily is the opposite of blonde, pale Emma. Especially since ALL of Emma's darkness went into Lily.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Considering that we are getting teenage Emma and Lily, my first guess is that any child/young actors are going to be flashback friends for Emma and/or Lily.  I have not seen anything (other than speculation here) that Lily has a child. Don't get me wrong, it wouldn't be unreasonable. (And just how would Maleficent take to being called "Grandma", anyway?)

      Of course, you know that if Lily DOES have a daughter, she will most likely be the same age as Henry.  So we finally have a potential ship for Henry (for those that are into that sort of thing).

      Lily having a daughter is from one of the fans who was watching filming. Agnes was filming with a little girl, and the fan assumed this was Agnes's characters daughter. It makes sense to me.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: Didn't the actual promo (either US or Canada) say "They are exactly the same and exactly opposite."? That would imply that dark-haired, tan-skinned Lily is the opposite of blonde, pale Emma. Especially since ALL of Emma's darkness went into Lily.

      Well, we know Lily isn't so tan-skinned anymore. Almost like she's a different ethnicity (wink, wink).

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    • Yeah, but who know what ethnicity a dragon really is? ;)

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    • Agnes Bruckner did look Lily 10 YEARS AGO!! Adam and Eddy are both Alias fans. She was in Alias for a couple episodes, but I guess was memorable for them to remember her and cast her as older Lily. 

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    • Tails-make-the-fox wrote:
      Agnes Bruckner did look Lily 10 YEARS AGO!! Adam and Eddy are both Alias fans. She was in Alias for a couple episodes, but I guess was memorable for them to remember her and cast her as older Lily. 

      I think you mean Agnes looked like Nicole 10 years ago lol And would you mind sharing a pic?

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Tails-make-the-fox wrote:
      Agnes Bruckner did look Lily 10 YEARS AGO!! Adam and Eddy are both Alias fans. She was in Alias for a couple episodes, but I guess was memorable for them to remember her and cast her as older Lily. 
      I think you mean Agnes looked like Nicole 10 years ago lol And would you mind sharing a pic?

      I meant to say over 10 years ago sorry. ill show u a pic when i get home. 

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    • sorry this may have already been answered, but I read the comments above about emma and lily being opposites. so my question is...

      is the darkness actually gone and transferred tho? the way the wording was (that I remember anyways, could be wrong), emma was to be born with the potential for great evil or great good. The potential to be born of great evil was transferred, but then the apprentice said it was up to the parents to guide her down the path of light. So, the way I interpreted that is that she no longer had the potential to be born with great evil, but that she could jsut as easily become evil later on. If that's the case (and it seems like it based on the emma going dark thing) and lily would turn out to be the opposite of emma, does that mean anything goes in terms of the opposite thing?

      what do you all think?

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    • Theauthorforsure wrote:
      sorry this may have already been answered, but I read the comments above about emma and lily being opposites. so my question is...

      is the darkness actually gone and transferred tho? the way the wording was (that I remember anyways, could be wrong), emma was to be born with the potential for great evil or great good. The potential to be born of great evil was transferred, but then the apprentice said it was up to the parents to guide her down the path of light. So, the way I interpreted that is that she no longer had the potential to be born with great evil, but that she could jsut as easily become evil later on. If that's the case (and it seems like it based on the emma going dark thing) and lily would turn out to be the opposite of emma, does that mean anything goes in terms of the opposite thing?

      what do you all think?

      Emma had the POTENTIAL to go dark. It was never a guarantee that she would. Lilly had Emma's potential transferred into her, making Emma have the potential for light. Emma, as we can now see, is becoming dark. If Lily really is her opposite, then she'd be an anti-hero. Someone who messed up early in life and is now doing the right things.

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    • Just saw this on Twitter that finally answers the Lily has a daughter theory.


      http://oncerstv.tumblr.com/post/117107985908/lily-little-girl-bts-photos

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    • Dark Fantasy1990 wrote:
      Just saw this on Twitter that finally answers the Lily has a daughter theory.


      http://oncerstv.tumblr.com/post/117107985908/lily-little-girl-bts-photos

      Looks like it's official, Mal's a grandma!

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    • Lily has a daughter that looks more like Nicole Munoz that Agnes does ahahahaha

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    • Nakis91 wrote:
      Lily has a daughter that looks more like Nicole Munoz that Agnes does ahahahaha

      LOL Not to mention she's like 6 or 7. So much for Henry's love life unless they bring in Paige or Gretel again. Also, when are we supposed to see Paige's bike?

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    • Nakis91 wrote: Lily has a daughter that looks more like Nicole Munoz that Agnes does ahahahaha

      Isn't sad? Maybe they should have just had Lil.....Maybe they should have planned Lily = Mal's daughter earlier. (Don't debate me on planning earlier, I mean when they planned to introduce Lily probably last summer: Not everything is planned earlier, because we learned that after they killed of Zelena they thought sometime later they should bring her back, which led to Marian not showing any signs or being present (which was quite awkward at the time))

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Nakis91 wrote:
      Lily has a daughter that looks more like Nicole Munoz that Agnes does ahahahaha

      LOL Not to mention she's like 6 or 7. So much for Henry's love life unless they bring in Paige or Gretel again. Also, when are we supposed to see Paige's bike?

      Well, remember Emma was like 17-18 years old when she had Henry! Lily likely waited later, lol. Henry will be forever alone, I mean does he even have friends?

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Nakis91 wrote: Lily has a daughter that looks more like Nicole Munoz that Agnes does ahahahaha

      Isn't sad? Maybe they should have just had Lil.....Maybe they should have planned Lily = Mal's daughter earlier. (Don't debate me on planning earlier, I mean when they planned to introduce Lily probably last summer: Not everything is planned earlier, because we learned that after they killed of Zelena they thought sometime later they should bring her back, which led to Marian not showing any signs or being present (which was quite awkward at the time))

      The weird thing is, I don't really mind Agnes as an adult Nicole Munoz more than I mind Abby Ross as young Jennifer Morrison. But seeing that little girl looking so much like Nicole, it just hit me!

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    • Nakis91 wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Nakis91 wrote: Lily has a daughter that looks more like Nicole Munoz that Agnes does ahahahaha

      Isn't sad? Maybe they should have just had Lil.....Maybe they should have planned Lily = Mal's daughter earlier. (Don't debate me on planning earlier, I mean when they planned to introduce Lily probably last summer: Not everything is planned earlier, because we learned that after they killed of Zelena they thought sometime later they should bring her back, which led to Marian not showing any signs or being present (which was quite awkward at the time))

      The weird thing is, I don't really mind Agnes as an adult Nicole Munoz more than I mind Abby Ross as young Jennifer Morrison. But seeing that little girl looking so much like Nicole, it just hit me!

      Abby Ross looks exactly like Jennifer Morrison! What's the problem?

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    • Tails-make-the-fox wrote:

      Nakis91 wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Nakis91 wrote: Lily has a daughter that looks more like Nicole Munoz that Agnes does ahahahaha

      Isn't sad? Maybe they should have just had Lil.....Maybe they should have planned Lily = Mal's daughter earlier. (Don't debate me on planning earlier, I mean when they planned to introduce Lily probably last summer: Not everything is planned earlier, because we learned that after they killed of Zelena they thought sometime later they should bring her back, which led to Marian not showing any signs or being present (which was quite awkward at the time))
      The weird thing is, I don't really mind Agnes as an adult Nicole Munoz more than I mind Abby Ross as young Jennifer Morrison. But seeing that little girl looking so much like Nicole, it just hit me!

      Abby Ross looks exactly like Jennifer Morrison! What's the problem?

      That was my point hahahaa I don't mind the younger versions of them (she doesn't look exactly like JMo though)

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    • Well I guess know who Henry is destined for. Question is if he is the unity of light & dark then what is she?

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    • DZAV21 wrote: Well I guess know who Henry is destined for. Question is if he is the unity of light & dark then what is she?

      No way, she is a lot younger than Henry. Though maybe... yes, "destined for", maybe when they're 20-30, but there's not gonna be romance between them on the show.

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    • Oh, dear... And Charming was worried about Thanksgiving dinner before... 

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    • Well after all.... Henry, Lilly's daughter, Neal, Alex, Roland, and Philip will be the next generation of SB so who knows what there responsibilities and destiny's will be...

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    • And don't forget Grace/Paige, Ava, Nicholas.  I think they have enough to have a spin-off series. Plus if there ever happens to be a Pirate Princess, a Dark Prince, or an Outlaw Princess, they could also be included.

      and here is the focal for that. All these kids grew up in the LWM, but know of their heritage from the EF.  When they become adults, something happens that calls all of these kids to return to the EF to help save it from some disaster.  It has potential, but would need some good writing to make it effective.

      but again, I digress, as this has nothing to do with Lily at the moment.

      Seeing the picture of Lily with a young girl, and also knowing that we will see Grace's bike in this episode (I believe) could bode well for integration of  Lily and family into the general population of Storybrooke. (after Lily and Emma settle a few differences like real ladies. That right cross that Lily delivers to Emma looks wicked).

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      Too late for April's Fool Day, uh? Horowitz, are you telling me Runaway Swan is CANON?

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      Too late for April's Fool Day, uh? Horowitz, are you telling me Runaway Swan is CANON?

      I think Lily is being sarcastic.

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      Too late for April's Fool Day, uh? Horowitz, are you telling me Runaway Swan is CANON?

      I think Lily is being sarcastic.

      Or talking to her daughter.

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      Too late for April's Fool Day, uh? Horowitz, are you telling me Runaway Swan is CANON?

      I think Lily is being sarcastic.
      Or talking to her daughter.

      I like this idea. and it definitly could be a scene after they get to Storybrooke and meet "Grandma" Mal. Lily's daughter would probably be very confused by everything going on.

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    • A little disappointed for the actress chosen, but whatever... :p

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    • First Sneak peek is out.

      All I gotta say is Regina has really decided to jump into the light and take a swim.

      Anyone that happens to ship SwanQueen (I like them as BFF's personally) will be thrilled with this one.

      Oh, it looks like we can also update Lily's page with her full name. the newspaper fill that Emma was reading showed the clip for Lilith Page.  I wonder if there is any signifigance to the last name of Page for Lily?

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    • ...Maybe she has something to do with the book?

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote: ...Maybe she has something to do with the book?

      What with her last name being page, lol? I wonder what Maleficent would have called her. I wish she named her Lilith (I dislike calling her Lily). Page is her adopted parents' last name, like Swan is Emma's adopted parents' last name. Swan vs Page. Swan Princess (I know, ugly duckling) vs um...baby of immortal shape-shifting witch, Maleficent (Actually what kind of name is that, lol, Enchanted Forest and their weird names).

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    • Maleficent isn't a bad name for a dragon, though. (I'm still glad she isn't a fairy like in the recent movie, dragons are cooler).

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote: Maleficent isn't a bad name for a dragon, though. (I'm still glad she isn't a fairy like in the recent movie, dragons are cooler).

      I was hoping she was like the Dragon which was actually a dragon in human form.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      I wish she named her Lilith (I dislike calling her Lily)

      Yeah. Lilith is much better

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    • So her name is Lilith Page ?

      She got banished to Our World because of the author who wrote lots of story pages.

      Oh, the irony ... LOL

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    • Hang on! Her name is Lilith? They named the incarnation of pure evil after the first demon of Hell???...... Ok, that works.

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    • DZAV21 wrote: Hang on! Her name is Lilith? They named the incarnation of pure evil after the first demon of Hell???...... Ok, that works.

      I thought they said her name in season 4a. And, of course! Sadly Emma isn't a pure light name.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      DZAV21 wrote: Hang on! Her name is Lilith? They named the incarnation of pure evil after the first demon of Hell???...... Ok, that works.

      I thought they said her name in season 4a. And, of course! Sadly Emma isn't a pure light name.

      Yeah but Lucy and Lily is a tad too similar.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      DZAV21 wrote: Hang on! Her name is Lilith? They named the incarnation of pure evil after the first demon of Hell???...... Ok, that works.

      I thought they said her name in season 4a. And, of course! Sadly Emma isn't a pure light name.


      That's a relief... I've always hated the name Emma anyway.

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    • This is shaping up to be a good episode. I love that Lily's last name is Page. Priceless, considering she was forced to this world because of an author.

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    • I agree, this is looking way promising.

      Looking at the picture of Regina and Emma in a coffee shop, since this is not Granny's, I am going to assume that it is one in NYC. And by comparing picture backgrounds, it looks like Lily may very well be a waitress there. So (just guessing) we're going to find out that Lily is a single mother (the BTS pic of Agnes and Zoey sure looks interesting), working a coffee shop (and probably some other job as well), father of the child ran out on them.  Somewhat similar background to Emma, if you ask me, except she kept her child.

      Of course, if they turn around and say that August is the Father of Lily's child, I may just puke.

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    • I have no clue if Emma's on edge or just hormonal! Over a girl she met for at most three days.

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    • anyone have another link for the seconf sneak peek?

      i only get the audio for the one linked on the episode page (even when i watch it on youtube i don't get any visual). it's weird.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      I have no clue if Emma's on edge or just hormonal! Over a girl she met for at most three days.

      All of the above. XD

      Actually, there is more backstory of Emma and Lily this week, and that will (or at least should) fill in some gaps as far as thier relationship is concerned.

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    • Emma turning dark looks interesting to say the least. 

      And also I'm intrigued to find out about Lily.

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    • Regina gets the best one liners! Also, for sure Lily's full name is Lilith Page now, as Emma said it.

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    • We have no idea how much time Lily spent with Emma in that abandoned house. It seemed like one day and one night, but it could've been longer. Not to mention, kids bond insanely fast, especially when they have a lot in common. Lily and Emma were DESTINED to be in each others' lives. So obviously they became quick friends.

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    • Nakis91 wrote:
      Emma turning dark looks interesting to say the least. 


      I really hope she doesn't stay that way too long.   It almost feels too forced.  

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    • Hopefully, Lily will be a main character or at least a recurring but important one like Robin Hood

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