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  • I get after Jafar killed the Sultan's other son, the possibility of a relationship was gone, but I also know it didn't have to come to that. Or Jafar's imprisonent, or the Sultan's death. I think the big reason behind the Sultan not accepting Jafar as his son, is because of a cultural rule/tradition. I know in South Korea it wasn't allowed for unmarried couples to have kids or even if it happened, single motherhood/fatherhood wasn't really accepted. If a new person married the widower, they may not accept thir spouses child as their own. The reason I was given up. The Sultan was shocked (Definitely on the inside. On the outside he held it together) and responded by using that culture rule or something to make it easier to not accept Jafar as his son. I'm also thinking he made sure every one of the workers (That were present when Jafar revealed he was the Sultan's illegitamate son) never spoke a word about it. Cause I'm assuming if any did, The Sultan would have been removed from the throne cause of his presumed one-night stand. Then he went to extreme measures to ensure Jafar would never be a problem again, and that failed miserably. Then during Cyrus' imprisonment, he bonded with him and basically gave him support that he never gave Jafar. Hell he even bonded more with Will, Alice, and Anastasia more than his own son. I just don't get it. Did the Sultan treat Cyrus more like a son to spite Jafar? Did he just find Cyrus more better than Jafar? It is still bothers me even though the series has ended 8 months ago. Almost 9 months ago. 

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    • I would agree with it being the culture/customs. Jafar was an illegitimate child of the Sultan. Jafar made it worse when he outshone the heir to the throne and almost ruined his meeting with other officials, possibly from other sultanates. He was strict and gave Jafar a chance, which Jafar lost. I'm glad that the Sultan was realistic, a grey character. I think he treated Cyrus and the others with a formality and general compassion that he learned throughout the years, but deep down he was still that prideful, stubborn man that Jafar knew.

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    • Jafar was only a boy during that time. It wasn't his fault he was born. I know the Sultan's life was getting turned upside-down, but still he could've at least made Jafar feel like it he wasn't always in the wrong. 

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    • The Sultan was trying to make the best of the situation he didn't want to face. He gave Jafar a place to stay and provided work for him within the castle. That, to him, was the least he could do. Jafar, then outshined his heir, Mirza, in front of officials and almost slipped up. With this already proposing an issue, he found a twisted way to get rid of the issue at hand: to murder his son. I know it's twisted, but I assume the Sultan left Jafar's mother for a reason, whether noble or based on customs. Jafar reminded him of this past which he didn't want to be bothered with and now this problem has disturbed the stability of his court. Jafar didn't do anything wrong and is simply a victim of whatever occurred before.

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    • He definitely was a victim. And the othe runexplained item in that episode... How he was revived. If it was his mother's spirit or really the burning hatred that kept him alive. That I still can't really tell.  

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    • Well, Jafar doesn't know, so I wouldn't take his word for anything other than dramatic verbiage. He just claims that it was his anger. We know that magic can not bring back the dead, so he was likely just unconscious. So I expect that the "spirit dust" simply revived him to regain consciousness.

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    • Who was revived? XD

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    • FrancisPaul wrote: Who was revived? XD

      Well, Jafar regained consciousness after having his head submerged in water by his father.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      FrancisPaul wrote: Who was revived? XD

      Well, Jafar regained consciousness after having his head submerged in water by his father.


      When Jafar's mother died, she emitted off a magical dust in order to protect her son from harm. When his father killed him, the dust did its magic and revived Jafar.

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    • WOW! I totally missed that part. I believed he was not dead, I htought the Sultan had not held his head long enough under the water.

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    • It was the first scene in Bad Blood, when u first see the dust. .-.

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    • To be fair, Cyrus and the Sultan were trapped together for the 28 years of the Curse. Remember, Will was taken to Wonderland by the Rabbit the SECOND the Curse broke, at which point, Cyrus was already captured and Alice was already in the Asylum. Being stuck for 28 years with someone will make you love them or hate them, let's be honest.

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    • But time stood still in all the realms before Emma came to Storybrooke. Does this mean time just didn't move or was everyone in every realm frozen like Hook, Cora, Philip, Mulan, etc. within protection spell?  

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    • Frozen or they would have mentioned it.

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    • Good point.

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    • WorldHopper22 wrote:
      But time stood still in all the realms before Emma came to Storybrooke. Does this mean time just didn't move or was everyone in every realm frozen like Hook, Cora, Philip, Milan, etc. within protection spell?  

      We've actually never had it specified if everyone was frozen in place or if everyone could go about their business but frozen in time like in Storybrooke. I'd imagine frozen in time, with people unaware of the Curse just "going through a routine" like the people of Storybrooke did. (Because otherwise, Alice would've mentioned being in the asylum for 28 years instead of 1. And all evidence points to the Curse having hit during her year in the asylum.)

      It's implied that when Emma arrived in Storybrooke in October 2011, all the lands unfroze (from which of two states I mentioned above is unknown) which was a few months before Emma officially broke the Curse. (She probably broke it about late February, early March of 2012)

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    • To me, the Sultan is one of the worst characters in the OUAT universe. Not only does he attempt to drown and kill his own son (I don't care what cultural reasons he has, it's inexcusable), but he KNOWS what Jafar wants, and he KNOWS the lengths he's going to obtain his goal. All the bloodshed, all the chaos, all the evil could have just been stopped if this man would stop being stubborn and just call the crazy man his son! But instead he chooses not to stop the rampage all just to spite the madman. At first I thought he was Aladdin, aged and Jafar was torturing him for the key to the cave of wonders or something else that would have been necessary for Jafar's ultimate plan to do something truly evil, but instead I got a Sultan who could end the whole thing by saying 4 words: "I love you son." I don't care how proud you are, if a maniac wizard threatens you and thousands of innocents unless you call him your son and say you love him, you say those words!!

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    • Cris joe wrote:
      To me, the Sultan is one of the worst characters in the OUAT universe. Not only does he attempt to drown and kill his own son (I don't care what cultural reasons he has, it's inexcusable), but he KNOWS what Jafar wants, and he KNOWS the lengths he's going to obtain his goal. All the bloodshed, all the chaos, all the evil could have just been stopped if this man would stop being stubborn and just call the crazy man his son! But instead he chooses not to stop the rampage all just to spite the madman. At first I thought he was Aladdin, aged and Jafar was torturing him for the key to the cave of wonders or something else that would have been necessary for Jafar's ultimate plan to do something truly evil, but instead I got a Sultan who could end the whole thing by saying 4 words: "I love you son." I don't care how proud you are, if a maniac wizard threatens you and thousands of innocents unless you call him your son and say you love him, you say those words!!

      It's not just that Jafar wanted the Sultan to say he loved his son, Jafar wanted the Sultan to mean it so that he could be killed by someone he loved.

      Would you ever love someone who killed your other children, took you from your home, imprisoned you in a dungeon for decades and forced you to commit Sysiphisian tasks constantly? I wouldn't.

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    • Jafar was right to want revenge on the Sultan. What he told Jafar... I think it would scar most kids for life.  

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    • A Spy in the Mirror
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