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  • Eddy anf Adam gave an interview with TVLine, where they spoke about the rest of the season. One of the thing they confirmed was Ariel's return, within the first few episodes. The also hinted, at what Cruella's powers might be.

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    • Thanks for the link. They confirmed that The Sorcerer is not Yen Sid, and Ariel and other old characters is coming back. Yay!

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    • I loved that they finally confirmed, that Rumplestiltskin is the Big Bad of Season 4. The audience may have figured it out a while ago, but it still nice to know that the writers are saying it as well. Rumple is extremely complex, but he is still power hungry.

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    • I get it. Maleficent burns them, Ursula drowns them, and Curella skins them... Her coat must be made from the skin of some magical creatures.

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    • They also say Rumple just wants freedom, if he is bound to the dagger, he will Always fear of being controlled.

      Also they confirmed we will know who the author is very soon. *hype*

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote: They also say Rumple just wants freedom, if he is bound to the dagger, he will Always fear of being controlled.

      If Rumple would just give up power and change, then he would be free. He is the one who always says, that all magic comes with a price.... and this is no exception.

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    • One of the things that I saw between the tvline interview, and another interview on Entertainment Weekly is that they intend on spending more time working with the main cast, and less on trying to bring in new characters.  Between the main cast (Snow, Charming, Emma, Hook, Henry, Belle, Gold, Regina), the Regulars (Robin, Archie, Granny, Leroy and friends, Will), and throw in the recurring characters (Ariel, Whale, Ruby, Maleficent, Cinderella, Tinker Bell, and others that I may not be thinking of), the have a killer cast.  They don't need to go and pull an outside storyline, like Neverland, Oz, or Frozen.  Some of the best scenes in have not been with the additional characters, but with the core group Interacting with each other.

      Don't get me wrong, I like the other characters (sometimes), but they can also be a distraction. Elsa, Anna, Kristoff, Zelena, even Peter Pan, were great as characters (and in all cases were cast very well), but their presence did take away from the interaction of the main characters.

      Depending on how they go with the Author arc, they could have a good premise to work with for several seasons. Emma's role as Savior has been better defined now as someone who will make sure that everyone gets their happy endings (or at least all the heroes), and she is going to be working against those forces that try to prevent others from getting their happy endings.

      Bringing the Queens of Darkness may very well be a stroke of Genius, providing they don't kill these ladies off (if they were to elevate one or more of them to a series regular status).  Between them and Rumple, you could have various one-off stories of one or maybe two episodes where the antagonist(s) tries to get their happy ending at the expense of one or more of the main core, and is stopped by one of the heroes.  There are story lines aplenty in that approach, and I think it can still provide a cohesive framework from which to expand and build on the core characters.

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    • Mesmermann wrote:
      Thanks for the link. They confirmed that The Sorcerer is not Yen Sid, and Ariel and other old characters is coming back. Yay!

      I was so happy about the Yen Sid deconfirmation, because that strenthens my Merlin argument.

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    • The wording of that interview bugs me still. The Sorcerer is very much still playing the role of The Sorcerer in the The Sorcerer's Apprentice. Yen Sid is just the Disney name of that character. I get the idea of making it so the originally unnamed Sorceror is also another fictional character (like Merlin) which is pretty cool and not just the a random sorcerer.

      It's just saying "he's not the disney character but he's still technically our equivalent of the character that disney based him off of" is just going to be confusing on some levels to say.

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    • Anybody else think that Cruella is a shapeshifter? Hear me out. 

      1. Adam and Eddie have said that Cruella's power has to do with animals, and what she wears on her back. 

      2. Adam and Eddie also say that Cruella has a "dollop" of magic.

      3. In Heroes and Villains, a dalmatian appears out of nowhere, draws Belle out, and disappears. 

      4. The dalmatian disappears and we see a person wearing gloves grab Belle. Note that the gloves seem to have diamonds/Swarovsky crystals on them. [Either that, or tiny metal rivets].

      These may seem circumstancial at the moment, but we can infer that one, Cruella may have magic, but not as much as the other two Queens of Darkness. Which could mean that she has either a limited ability, or have less raw power. Second, with A&E saying that her power has to do with animals and the fur she wears (limited ability, for now), it would seem to point to Cruella being some sort of Skin-walker. That would explain her "penchant for furs".

      In-universe, the circumstances of Belle's kidnapping allowed each of the Queens of Darkness to make their presence known to Rumple (and the audience)via something connected to their power/magic: Maleficent via her servant raven (Diablo?) and Ursula via the sand dollar. So where is Cruella's signature (for lack of a better word)? The dalmatian. Now, one may argue that the dalmatian may be Cruella's servant, but Cruella doesn't keep animals around, she keeps their pelts/fur. And it is curious that the dalmatian disappears a few seconds before Belle is nabbed--- by someone who seems to be wearing woman's gloves.

      Granted, this is all speculation and we still need more in-universe evidence and confirmation, and A&E could throw us a curveball, but for now, Cruella being a skin-walker is a very likely possibility.  

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    • Fragile Daydreamer wrote:
      Anybody else think that Cruella is a shapeshifter? Hear me out. 

      1. Adam and Eddie have said that Cruella's power has to do with animals, and what she wears on her back. 

      2. Adam and Eddie also say that Cruella has a "dollop" of magic.

      3. In Heroes and Villains, a dalmatian appears out of nowhere, draws Belle out, and disappears. 

      4. The dalmatian disappears and we see a person wearing gloves grab Belle. Note that the gloves seem to have diamonds/Swarovsky crystals on them. [Either that, or tiny metal rivets].

      These may seem circumstancial at the moment, but we can infer that one, Cruella may have magic, but not as much as the other two Queens of Darkness. Which could mean that she has either a limited ability, or have less raw power. Second, with A&E saying that her power has to do with animals and the fur she wears (limited ability, for now), it would seem to point to Cruella being some sort of Skin-walker. That would explain her "penchant for furs".

      In-universe, the circumstances of Belle's kidnapping allowed each of the Queens of Darkness to make their presence known to Rumple (and the audience)via something connected to their power/magic: Maleficent via her servant raven (Diablo?) and Ursula via the sand dollar. So where is Cruella's signature (for lack of a better word)? The dalmatian. Now, one may argue that the dalmatian may be Cruella's servant, but Cruella doesn't keep animals around, she keeps their pelts/fur. And it is curious that the dalmatian disappears a few seconds before Belle is nabbed--- by someone who seems to be wearing woman's gloves.

      Granted, this is all speculation and we still need more in-universe evidence and confirmation, and A&E could throw us a curveball, but for now, Cruella being a skin-walker is a very likely possibility.  

      You aren't the first person to suggest shapeshifting magic for her, but you do have the most well reasoned response. I also like how you found the skin-walker thing, it makes sense that she can only shapeshift into an animal if she has a pelt from one, and gives her a reason to be so fur obsessed. Good job.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Fragile Daydreamer wrote:
      Anybody else think that Cruella is a shapeshifter? Hear me out. 

      1. Adam and Eddie have said that Cruella's power has to do with animals, and what she wears on her back. 

      2. Adam and Eddie also say that Cruella has a "dollop" of magic.

      3. In Heroes and Villains, a dalmatian appears out of nowhere, draws Belle out, and disappears. 

      4. The dalmatian disappears and we see a person wearing gloves grab Belle. Note that the gloves seem to have diamonds/Swarovsky crystals on them. [Either that, or tiny metal rivets].

      These may seem circumstancial at the moment, but we can infer that one, Cruella may have magic, but not as much as the other two Queens of Darkness. Which could mean that she has either a limited ability, or have less raw power. Second, with A&E saying that her power has to do with animals and the fur she wears (limited ability, for now), it would seem to point to Cruella being some sort of Skin-walker. That would explain her "penchant for furs".

      In-universe, the circumstances of Belle's kidnapping allowed each of the Queens of Darkness to make their presence known to Rumple (and the audience)via something connected to their power/magic: Maleficent via her servant raven (Diablo?) and Ursula via the sand dollar. So where is Cruella's signature (for lack of a better word)? The dalmatian. Now, one may argue that the dalmatian may be Cruella's servant, but Cruella doesn't keep animals around, she keeps their pelts/fur. And it is curious that the dalmatian disappears a few seconds before Belle is nabbed--- by someone who seems to be wearing woman's gloves.

      Granted, this is all speculation and we still need more in-universe evidence and confirmation, and A&E could throw us a curveball, but for now, Cruella being a skin-walker is a very likely possibility.  

      You aren't the first person to suggest shapeshifting magic for her, but you do have the most well reasoned response. I also like how you found the skin-walker thing, it makes sense that she can only shapeshift into an animal if she has a pelt from one, and gives her a reason to be so fur obsessed. Good job.


      Thanks. Now we can only wait. If she does turn out to be a skin-walker of sorts, I want to see how they would show that and what spin they would put on it. 

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    • Fragile Daydreamer wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Fragile Daydreamer wrote:
      Anybody else think that Cruella is a shapeshifter? Hear me out. 

      1. Adam and Eddie have said that Cruella's power has to do with animals, and what she wears on her back. 

      2. Adam and Eddie also say that Cruella has a "dollop" of magic.

      3. In Heroes and Villains, a dalmatian appears out of nowhere, draws Belle out, and disappears. 

      4. The dalmatian disappears and we see a person wearing gloves grab Belle. Note that the gloves seem to have diamonds/Swarovsky crystals on them. [Either that, or tiny metal rivets].

      These may seem circumstancial at the moment, but we can infer that one, Cruella may have magic, but not as much as the other two Queens of Darkness. Which could mean that she has either a limited ability, or have less raw power. Second, with A&E saying that her power has to do with animals and the fur she wears (limited ability, for now), it would seem to point to Cruella being some sort of Skin-walker. That would explain her "penchant for furs".

      In-universe, the circumstances of Belle's kidnapping allowed each of the Queens of Darkness to make their presence known to Rumple (and the audience)via something connected to their power/magic: Maleficent via her servant raven (Diablo?) and Ursula via the sand dollar. So where is Cruella's signature (for lack of a better word)? The dalmatian. Now, one may argue that the dalmatian may be Cruella's servant, but Cruella doesn't keep animals around, she keeps their pelts/fur. And it is curious that the dalmatian disappears a few seconds before Belle is nabbed--- by someone who seems to be wearing woman's gloves.

      Granted, this is all speculation and we still need more in-universe evidence and confirmation, and A&E could throw us a curveball, but for now, Cruella being a skin-walker is a very likely possibility.  

      You aren't the first person to suggest shapeshifting magic for her, but you do have the most well reasoned response. I also like how you found the skin-walker thing, it makes sense that she can only shapeshift into an animal if she has a pelt from one, and gives her a reason to be so fur obsessed. Good job.

      Thanks. Now we can only wait. If she does turn out to be a skin-walker of sorts, I want to see how they would show that and what spin they would put on it. 

      I like the Skin-walker theory, but I also get the feeling that her coat might be the source of her power (like Zelena's necklace)

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    • I love that theory! I was thinking that she could control the species she was wearing, but this is much more exciting!

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    • Rwo

      Belle is not only nabbed by someone "who wears gloves", she does wear fur too!

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    • All I got to say is, if she IS a skin walker (which is a very cool theory), Don't let her get a dragon skin coat. Or any other powerful mythical beast skin for that matter.  That power, used right, could be more powerful than just about anything, and definitely puts her on par with the other ladies.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      All I got to say is, if she IS a skin walker (which is a very cool theory), Don't let her get a dragon skin coat. Or any other powerful mythical beast skin for that matter.  That power, used right, could be more powerful than just about anything, and definitely puts her on par with the other ladies.

      I believe the correct term is dragon hide. :)

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    • Yeah, if there were a dragon around, I'd hide too! ;)

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    • Anyone else wish that Eddy was serious about forty min of CS kissing? (Well, I am fairly sure DZAV21 does. Just a hunch, correct me if I'm wrong xD)

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    • MagicKaty1 wrote: Anyone else wish that Eddy was serious about forty min of CS kissing? (Well, I am fairly sure DZAV21 does. Just a hunch, correct me if I'm wrong xD)

      I don't need a 40 minute ep of CS making out darlin... What I need a the little pirate princess and a 40 minute ep of Killian teaching her how to sail with Em & Henry by their side...... Haha

      Btw, I fond this and knew you'd love it... https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9826862/1/The-Princess-Bride

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Yeah, if there were a dragon around, I'd hide too! ;)

      Ba-dum-tiss.

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    • I always wanted a dragon..... And a centar....

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      All I got to say is, if she IS a skin walker (which is a very cool theory), Don't let her get a dragon skin coat. Or any other powerful mythical beast skin for that matter.  That power, used right, could be more powerful than just about anything, and definitely puts her on par with the other ladies.

      Definitely no dragon skin coat. haha

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      I love that theory! I was thinking that she could control the species she was wearing, but this is much more exciting!

      That could still be a possibility. Especially if she doesn't turn out to be a skin-walker, but a summoner instead. But we'll need further information.

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    • DZAV21 wrote:
      I always wanted a dragon..... And a centar....

      Me too! Dragons are so cool!!!

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    • Dr. Kangaroo wrote:
      DZAV21 wrote:
      I always wanted a dragon..... And a centar....
      Me too! Dragons are so cool!!!


      Did you know there is a little lizard with wings thats considered a real dragon? They are so cute! I've been looking for one but they are kinda hard to come by.... Sadly I settle for reading the Eragon series and watching Flight Of Dragons. Haha

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    • I just started re-reading the Dragon Riders of Pern series (going to read them chronologically this time through).  I think one of THOSE dragons would be just cool to have. (either the big ones or the little dragonettes).

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I just started re-reading the Dragon Riders of Pern series (going to read them chronologically this time through).  I think one of THOSE dragons would be just cool to have. (either the big ones or the little dragonettes).

      Are those books good? I've wanted to read them for so long, but I can't find them anywhere...:(

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    • Well, good is a subjective term, but I definitely enjoyed them.  You might check your local library (The books are written by Anne McCaffrey) and see if they have them.

      If this is your first time through, I would start with DragonFlight, then DragonQuest.  From there, even though the White Dragon is the 3rd of that trilogy, it is recommended that you read DragonSong, DragonSinger, and DragonDrums, then read the White Dragon. And after reading the entire series, that order actually makes sense chronologically.

      you might find both sets in combined volumnes called the Dragon Riders of Pern and the Harper Hall of Pern.

      You can also find them on Amazon. (The Kindle Fire version of Dragon Riders is $7.99 US)

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Well, good is a subjective term, but I definitely enjoyed them.  You might check your local library (The books are written by Anne McCaffrey) and see if they have them.

      If this is your first time through, I would start with DragonFlight, then DragonQuest.  From there, even though the White Dragon is the 3rd of that trilogy, it is recommended that you read DragonSong, DragonSinger, and DragonDrums, then read the White Dragon. And after reading the entire series, that order actually makes sense chronologically.

      you might find both sets in combined volumnes called the Dragon Riders of Pern and the Harper Hall of Pern.

      You can also find them on Amazon. (The Kindle Fire version of Dragon Riders is $7.99 US)

      Well, I live in Belgium, and the local library doesn't have a lot of English fantasy books, so...

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    • Dr. Kangaroo wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Well, good is a subjective term, but I definitely enjoyed them.  You might check your local library (The books are written by Anne McCaffrey) and see if they have them.

      If this is your first time through, I would start with DragonFlight, then DragonQuest.  From there, even though the White Dragon is the 3rd of that trilogy, it is recommended that you read DragonSong, DragonSinger, and DragonDrums, then read the White Dragon. And after reading the entire series, that order actually makes sense chronologically.

      you might find both sets in combined volumnes called the Dragon Riders of Pern and the Harper Hall of Pern.

      You can also find them on Amazon. (The Kindle Fire version of Dragon Riders is $7.99 US)

      Well, I live in Belgium, and the local library doesn't have a lot of English fantasy books, so...

      I don't know what's more interesting, that people are on this site and live in countries where the show is not even airing (seriously, how are you watching the show?) or that their English is better than a lot of Americans.

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    • Both. I mean seriously, some of these people have a better grasp of the english language than I do. (Though I blame that on being raised in Texas, which has it's own dialect of english. ;) )

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    • Thanks for the compliments on my English guys XD

      (And I watch it online, just like all the other series I'm following. Though I have to wait till Mondays...)

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote: One of the things that I saw between the tvline interview, and another interview on Entertainment Weekly is that they intend on spending more time working with the main cast, and less on trying to bring in new characters.  Between the main cast (Snow, Charming, Emma, Hook, Henry, Belle, Gold, Regina), the Regulars (Robin, Archie, Granny, Leroy and friends, Will), and throw in the recurring characters (Ariel, Whale, Ruby, Maleficent, Cinderella, Tinker Bell, and others that I may not be thinking of), the have a killer cast.  They don't need to go and pull an outside storyline, like Neverland, Oz, or Frozen.  Some of the best scenes in have not been with the additional characters, but with the core group Interacting with each other.

      Don't get me wrong, I like the other characters (sometimes), but they can also be a distraction. Elsa, Anna, Kristoff, Zelena, even Peter Pan, were great as characters (and in all cases were cast very well), but their presence did take away from the interaction of the main characters.

      Depending on how they go with the Author arc, they could have a good premise to work with for several seasons. Emma's role as Savior has been better defined now as someone who will make sure that everyone gets their happy endings (or at least all the heroes), and she is going to be working against those forces that try to prevent others from getting their happy endings.

      Bringing the Queens of Darkness may very well be a stroke of Genius, providing they don't kill these ladies off (if they were to elevate one or more of them to a series regular status).  Between them and Rumple, you could have various one-off stories of one or maybe two episodes where the antagonist(s) tries to get their happy ending at the expense of one or more of the main core, and is stopped by one of the heroes.  There are story lines aplenty in that approach, and I think it can still provide a cohesive framework from which to expand and build on the core characters.

      I think all of those arcs were meant to push the group closer. Even though Gold decided to go off on his own and drag Hook with him. The Neverland arc forced them all to work out their differences also with the slight exception of Gold and Belle. The Oz arc forced them all to work together again. With the big exception of Gold, Neal, and slightly MM due to her pregnancy. And then during the Frozen arc, they kind of went their separate ways but still United together. Some of the time. Idk, I think there weren't a lot of scenes featuring the main cast. The weird thing is that there were literally only 5 scenes between Gold and Regina all of 2014. Their scenes in 3.16, 3.20, 3.21, and 4.11. I think there was one more but I can't remember exactly which one. Now that they can and have worked together, it shouldn't be too difficult going up against Gold and the Queens of Darkness.

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    • DZAV21 wrote:

      MagicKaty1 wrote: Anyone else wish that Eddy was serious about forty min of CS kissing? (Well, I am fairly sure DZAV21 does. Just a hunch, correct me if I'm wrong xD)

      I don't need a 40 minute ep of CS making out darlin... What I need a the little pirate princess and a 40 minute ep of Killian teaching her how to sail with Em & Henry by their side...... Haha

      Btw, I fond this and knew you'd love it... https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9826862/1/The-Princess-Bride

      Too bad......but if CS doesn't get a happy ending with a pirate princess (or more than one xD), A&E, watch out! On another note, is your house even big enough to hold a dragon????

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    • MagicKaty1 wrote:

      DZAV21 wrote:

      MagicKaty1 wrote: Anyone else wish that Eddy was serious about forty min of CS kissing? (Well, I am fairly sure DZAV21 does. Just a hunch, correct me if I'm wrong xD)

      I don't need a 40 minute ep of CS making out darlin... What I need a the little pirate princess and a 40 minute ep of Killian teaching her how to sail with Em & Henry by their side...... Haha

      Btw, I fond this and knew you'd love it... https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9826862/1/The-Princess-Bride

      Too bad......but if CS doesn't get a happy ending with a pirate princess (or more than one xD), A&E, watch out! On another note, is your house even big enough to hold a dragon????


      Well I guess it depends on how big a dragon we're talkin. I already have a 2800 lbs. Pet bull that I raised from a bottle baby, but he sleeps outside. Not to mention the three 120 lbs. Dog that sleep on my floor by my bed. And my 6 horses...... I have a foundness for over large animals so I know I could handle one. Haha

      Btw did you see that our partner in crime started the perkups tread in the off topic fun section??

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    • Dr. Kangaroo wrote:
      Thanks for the compliments on my English guys XD

      (And I watch it online, just like all the other series I'm following. Though I have to wait till Mondays...)

      Ah, of course, good old online, lol.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Mesmermann wrote:
      Thanks for the link. They confirmed that The Sorcerer is not Yen Sid, and Ariel and other old characters is coming back. Yay!
      I was so happy about the Yen Sid deconfirmation, because that strenthens my Merlin argument.


      Same with me!! Happiness!!!

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    • OMG the skinwalker/dalmatian/cruelle theory would be so cool o_o. Id totally scream if they'd do that. 

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    • Just as long as Curella doesn't turn into Perdita I don't re what she is...

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    • DZAV21 wrote:

      Dr. Kangaroo wrote:
      DZAV21 wrote:
      I always wanted a dragon..... And a centar....
      Me too! Dragons are so cool!!!


      Did you know there is a little lizard with wings thats considered a real dragon? They are so cute! I've been looking for one but they are kinda hard to come by.... Sadly I settle for reading the Eragon series and watching Flight Of Dragons. Haha

      Yeah the Draco Volans, I've wanted one for ages but they seem to be rare and/or endangered. Too bad they don't breathe fire.

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Dr. Kangaroo wrote:
      Thanks for the compliments on my Enhlish guys XD

      (And I watch it online, just like all the other series I'm following. Though I have to wait till Mondays...)

      Ah, of course, good old online, lol.

      Yeah I watch it online too. And like Dr. Kangaroo, I have to wait till Mondays. Though my English is only good because I'm Australian and it's my first and only language XD

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    • yeah, mate, but Australian is only a dialect of english, same as American and Queen's English. (Although I will admit, I enjoy listening to someone from Australia, their accent is really cool, imo).

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    • DZAV21 wrote:

      MagicKaty1 wrote:

      DZAV21 wrote:

      MagicKaty1 wrote: Anyone else wish that Eddy was serious about forty min of CS kissing? (Well, I am fairly sure DZAV21 does. Just a hunch, correct me if I'm wrong xD)

      I don't need a 40 minute ep of CS making out darlin... What I need a the little pirate princess and a 40 minute ep of Killian teaching her how to sail with Em & Henry by their side...... Haha

      Btw, I fond this and knew you'd love it... https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9826862/1/The-Princess-Bride

      Too bad......but if CS doesn't get a happy ending with a pirate princess (or more than one xD), A&E, watch out! On another note, is your house even big enough to hold a dragon????


      Well I guess it depends on how big a dragon we're talkin. I already have a 2800 lbs. Pet bull that I raised from a bottle baby, but he sleeps outside. Not to mention the three 120 lbs. Dog that sleep on my floor by my bed. And my 6 horses...... I have a foundness for over large animals so I know I could handle one. Haha

      Btw did you see that our partner in crime started the perkups tread in the off topic fun section??

      Both of my dogs are like 80 lbs, but I did have a pet horse (she lived at my grandparent's farm, though) once. And I'm guessing you mean Teyilia as our "partner in crime"?

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote: yeah, mate, but Australian is only a dialect of english, same as American and Queen's English. (Although I will admit, I enjoy listening to someone from Australia, their accent is really cool, imo).

      My mom is American and my dad is British/Australian (his mom is from London and his dad is from Sydney), so I kind of speak all three. (My dad has a really cool accent, it enjoy listening to it)

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    • I find 3 accents beyond attactive.. Cajon, Australia & Irish..... My accent is think southern haha. Ever wonder why a call everyone I like Darlin and leave the G off at the end? Haha

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    • DZAV21 wrote: I find 3 accents beyond attactive.. Cajon, Australia & Irish..... My accent is think southern haha. Ever wonder why a call everyone I like Darlin and leave the G off at the end? Haha

      I sure wish Colin would use his accent on the show. The British accent is still really cute, but I like his Irish one better :)

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    • Both Colin's and Robert Carlyle's native accents are very easy on the ears.  Of coiurse, I love that Emily can use her Austrailian accent with Belle. What would have been nice is if they could have used a French accent for Aurora and Philip. And maybe given Whale a bit more of a German or Austrian Acccent. A little extra homage to the origins of the Fairy Tales.

      But that's just me.

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    • I actually personally cannot stand the sound of Emilie De Ravin's voice.  There, I finally said it.  Admitting it, probably opening myself to backlash and disagreements, feels so good.  I feel free and alive.

      You know who sounds amazing w/ her native accent?  Victoria Smurffit.

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    • No backlash needed. Everyone is entitled to express their opinion in a respectful manner.

      And I do agree with your assessment of Victoria.

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    • omg Victoria Smurffit's voice <3 @DarlingDavies, if anyone was going to disagree with you about Emilie's voice, you've won them over by mentioning this beautiful voice :D

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    • thanks HMCoop & Killian!!!

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    • Killian Jones wrote: omg Victoria Smurffit's voice <3 @DarlingDavies, if anyone was going to disagree with you about Emilie's voice, you've won them over by mentioning this beautiful voice :D

      I have honestly never heard Victoria's voice clear enough, so I can't say my opinion :)

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    • I watched Dracula, loved it. Victoria was amazing in it, she had great style.

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    • So now that we have King Stefan cast, who else do we need for 4B. I think I have a pretty good list. Feel free to give your opinion of my list and if you have a wish list for who would play them. Here's what I think (I will sort by the story where they come from):

      Sleeping Beauty

      - Queen Leah aka the original Sleeping Beauty, she would also be King Stefan's wife and Aurora's mother.

      - Flora, Fauna, and Merryweather, the three good fairies, I think Blue may be one of them, along with two other fairies.

      - King Hubert, Phillip's father

      The Little Mermaid

      - Triton, Ariel's father and possibly a desendant of Posiden

      101 Dalmations

      - Anita, an enemy of Cruella and possibly Red's mother (played by the same actress if they go this route)

      - Roger, Anita's husband and Red's father

      - Horace and Jasper, Cruella's underlings

      Cinderella

      - Lady Tremaine, stepmother to Cinderella (played by Ana's mother's actress if relationship is confirmed)

      - Drizella, Ana's sister and Cinderella's stepsister

      King Arthur

      - Merlin, who is The Sorcerer and possibly The Author

      - Arthur

      - Gwenavire

      - Morgan Le Fay

      • Some of the King Arthur characters may not appear in this season and be saved for Season 5.
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    • I guess they are gonna make Leah, not Aurora's biological mom (i hope they don't retcon it and make Malifcent her mother and her dad a single and/or widowed dad, since she already mentioned her mom in the first episode of season 2.

      I hope Archie is also the guy from 101 Dalmatiars, and maybe Cruella is also Anita and falls in love with him? (Idk i want a love interest for him too o.o, but i some how i never aw him as straight tho lol) 

      And i think Blue is gonna be take the Flora role in the Sleeping Beauty story (with Tink being the merryweather type who changes the death cruse to a sleeping curse?) Idk who the third one is hope a new one or maybe they can bring a fairly over from the Disney Fairly's francise or just get three from there but idk this show likes to have characters be multiple characters. 

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    • Actually, in regards to the fairies, I doubt that A & E will be concerned with matching colors (if they do decide to go with 3, which at this point is unclear).

      Blue, being the leader of the Fairies, would definitly, imo, be the one that would change the curse, if it needs changing. And Once has 3 Named Fairies already, assuming the corresonding actresses have any availability.  You have Blue (who is all but confirmed for 4B), Tink (Availablity extremely limited, though they are filiming their show in the same general location as Once), and Nova/Astrid. Plus they had a bunch of other fairies (as soon as they are all released from the hat), so it would not be too hard to intruduce a new fairy.

      Personally, I think that they can twist the story enough without pulling in Flora, Fauna, and Merriweather from the Disney version.  Just leave it as a group of Unnamed fairies (as it was in the original story).

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    • Levi.goodliff wrote:
      I guess they are gonna make Leah, not Aurora's biological mom (i hope they don't retcon it and make Malifcent her mother and her dad a single and/or widowed dad, since she already mentioned her mom in the first episode of season 2.

      I hope Archie is also the guy from 101 Dalmatiars, and maybe Cruella is also Anita and falls in love with him? (Idk i want a love interest for him too o.o, but i some how i never aw him as straight tho lol) 

      And i think Blue is gonna be take the Flora role in the Sleeping Beauty story (with Tink being the merryweather type who changes the death cruse to a sleeping curse?) Idk who the third one is hope a new one or maybe they can bring a fairly over from the Disney Fairly's francise or just get three from there but idk this show likes to have characters be multiple characters. 

      Actually, Nova is suitable as Fauna. But I doubt Amy Acker is available.

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    • Bafa wrote:
      Levi.goodliff wrote:
      I guess they are gonna make Leah, not Aurora's biological mom (i hope they don't retcon it and make Malifcent her mother and her dad a single and/or widowed dad, since she already mentioned her mom in the first episode of season 2.

      I hope Archie is also the guy from 101 Dalmatiars, and maybe Cruella is also Anita and falls in love with him? (Idk i want a love interest for him too o.o, but i some how i never aw him as straight tho lol) 

      And i think Blue is gonna be take the Flora role in the Sleeping Beauty story (with Tink being the merryweather type who changes the death cruse to a sleeping curse?) Idk who the third one is hope a new one or maybe they can bring a fairly over from the Disney Fairly's francise or just get three from there but idk this show likes to have characters be multiple characters. 

      Actually, Nova is suitable as Fauna. But I doubt Amy Acker is available.

      Nova was a novice fairy though, it doesn't make sense that she would be one of three fairies attending a royal birth many years ago.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote: yeah, mate, but Australian is only a dialect of english, same as American and Queen's English. (Although I will admit, I enjoy listening to someone from Australia, their accent is really cool, imo).

      Yeah, but Australian accents are extremely different to the stereotype. And Australian English, while it has a different accent, is Queen's English. No one really uses slang. And no one throws a shrimp on the barbie. Ever. Anyways what were we talking about?

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Actually, in regards to the fairies, I doubt that A & E will be concerned with matching colors (if they do decide to go with 3, which at this point is unclear).

      Blue, being the leader of the Fairies, would definitly, imo, be the one that would change the curse, if it needs changing. And Once has 3 Named Fairies already, assuming the corresonding actresses have any availability.  You have Blue (who is all but confirmed for 4B), Tink (Availablity extremely limited, though they are filiming their show in the same general location as Once), and Nova/Astrid. Plus they had a bunch of other fairies (as soon as they are all released from the hat), so it would not be too hard to intruduce a new fairy.

      Personally, I think that they can twist the story enough without pulling in Flora, Fauna, and Merriweather from the Disney version.  Just leave it as a group of Unnamed fairies (as it was in the original story).

      I don't think Nova and Tink make sense if they do 3 named fairies. Nova was a novice fairy, and Tink was banished for helping Regina. Plus, the actresses schedules also lead to a problem. So I think it's either Blue with two other new named fairies, or random unnamed fairies like you said.

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    • Interesting thought. Blue's name is not known. They always call her "The Blue Fairy" or just Blue. Maybe her name is actually Merryweather...

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    • Bafa wrote: Interesting thought. Blue's name is not known. They always call her "The Blue Fairy" or just Blue. Maybe her name is actually Merryweather...

      Reul Ghorm is the Blue Fairy's name :P

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    • Killian Jones wrote:

      Bafa wrote: Interesting thought. Blue's name is not known. They always call her "The Blue Fairy" or just Blue. Maybe her name is actually Merryweather...

      Reul Ghorm is the Blue Fairy's name :P

      I thought that just meant Blue Star, so it may not be her actual name.

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    • Killian Jones wrote:

      Bafa wrote: Interesting thought. Blue's name is not known. They always call her "The Blue Fairy" or just Blue. Maybe her name is actually Merryweather...

      Reul Ghorm is the Blue Fairy's name :P

      That sounds like some evil troll name or something :)

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    • MagicKaty1 wrote:

      Killian Jones wrote:

      Bafa wrote: Interesting thought. Blue's name is not known. They always call her "The Blue Fairy" or just Blue. Maybe her name is actually Merryweather...

      Reul Ghorm is the Blue Fairy's name :P

      That sounds like some evil troll name or something :)

      Well, isn't she? xD

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    • Killian Jones wrote:

      MagicKaty1 wrote:

      Killian Jones wrote:

      Bafa wrote: Interesting thought. Blue's name is not known. They always call her "The Blue Fairy" or just Blue. Maybe her name is actually Merryweather...

      Reul Ghorm is the Blue Fairy's name :P

      That sounds like some evil troll name or something :)

      Well, isn't she? xD

      Well, evil? No. A troll? Yes :)

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    • My Maleficent theory

      Maleficent and Stefan were friends, Stefan was a prince, and Maleficent was a young fairy godmother who likes to sneak in to the castle with her small body and wings. (Much like Tinkerbell visiting Regina in her castle). Maleficent fell in love with Stefan one day, and thinks Stefan reciprocated her feelings, but in truth, does not. Stefan only see Maleficent as a friend. Stefan then met Princess Leah,and they fell in love for each other. Maleficent was jealous, and she cursed Leah with the sleeping curse, with the help of Rumpelstiltskin, using a spindle. Stefan found out Maleficent's doings and became mad at her, breaking their friendship and his trust. Luckily, Stefan could wake Leah with True Love's Kiss. Years later, Stefan and Leah had a baby daughter, named Aurora. As a revenge, Maleficent prophesized Aurora's death on her christening, angering Stefan more. Stefan trusted Aurora with three fairies, Flora, Fauna, and Merryweather. But with Maleficent's status as a fairy godmother, Blue assigned Maleficent with Aurora as her charge. Maleficent is then caught up in between her duties and vengeance. Maleficent grew close to Aurora, as far as trying to reverse the prophecy, but with no luck, as Maleficent had said no power on earth can change it. In this season, we found out that fairies can prophesize things to happen, such as when Blue stated that Emma will be a saviour and will break the dark curse on the first season. Due to Maleficent prophesizing Aurora's sleeping curse, a servant who was also a witch puts a sleeping curse on a spindle, trying to test her sleeping curse spell, and puts it up in the highest tower of the castle, hoping that another servant or palace worker finds it and eventually fall into the sleeping curse. Maleficent admits to Aurora on prophesizing her death, which saddens Aurora and makes her mad at Maleficent. However, Aurora was returned to the palace a day soon, and she was the one to find the spinning wheel, and pricks her finger, and eventually fall into the sleeping curse. The servant witch was also punished by King Stefan. With Maleficent caught in the evil act, Blue takes her wings away and cast her out, leading to a fully evil Maleficent.

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    • OR QUEEN LEAH AND MALIFCENT WERE LOVERS AND MALIFCENT CURSED AURORA CAUSE WELL LEAH LEFT HER FOR STEFAN O.O 

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    • Yeah I like that theory, there's always a first for everything, especially LGBT couples. Hey, isn't this show about true love? True love comes in many forms, it doesn't have a gender

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    • If they do that, i hope they don't make Malifcent the angry ex gf (if they go for Malifcent x Leah or even Malifcent x Stefan) Like that there was a actual relationship between them and that just one dat Leah (or Stefan) is torn between Malifcent ant the other. 

      So it doesn't end like Sleeping Warrior. xD

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    • Levi.goodliff wrote:
      OR QUEEN LEAH AND MALIFCENT WERE LOVERS AND MALIFCENT CURSED AURORA CAUSE WELL LEAH LEFT HER FOR STEFAN O.O 

      Or Queen Leah/Briar Rose does not exist? The Sleeping Beauty story was a lie spread by King Stefan, to hide the identity of Aurora's mother.... who is actually Maleficent.

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    • That could be a possibilty too, that Stefan always has told Aurora that Malifcent killed her mother while Malifcent is actually Aurora's mother, which explains why she said in 2x01 something like "First she goes after my mother.." cause she doesn't know better. 

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    • Levi.goodliff wrote:
      That could be a possibilty too, that Stefan always has told Aurora that Malifcent killed her mother while Malifcent is actually Aurora's mother, which explains why she said in 2x01 something like "First she goes after my mother.." cause she doesn't know better. 

      Exactly.... plus, OUaT loves when everyone is related.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Levi.goodliff wrote:
      OR QUEEN LEAH AND MALIFCENT WERE LOVERS AND MALIFCENT CURSED AURORA CAUSE WELL LEAH LEFT HER FOR STEFAN O.O 
      Or Queen Leah/Briar Rose does not exist? The Sleeping Beauty story was a lie spread by King Stefan, to hide the identity of Aurora's mother.... who is actually Maleficent.

      I already commented on this theory on the other thread, but I'll put it here as well. I agree that King Stefan may be a liar. Regina and Maleficent are not however (well, not to each other anyway). And they specifically referenced a Sleeping Beauty that Maleficent had cursed, which was confirmed by Adam and Eddy to be a different one than Aurora, because Aurora said it was her mother. It may not be Aurora's mother, or biological mother, but there was definitly a woman who Maleficent "sleeping cursed" before Aurora. So in that way she does exist.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: I already commented on this theory on the other thread, but I'll put it here as well. I agree that King Stefan may be a liar. Regina and Maleficent are not however (well, not to each other anyway). And they specifically referenced a Sleeping Beauty that Maleficent had cursed, which was confirmed by Adam and Eddy to be a different one than Aurora, because Aurora said it was her mother. It may not be Aurora's mother, or biological mother, but there was definitly a woman who Maleficent "sleeping cursed" before Aurora. So in that way she does exist.

      I have to disagree, as the Evil Queen was the biggest liar of them all. There are probably only two people who know what happened.... Maleficent and King Stefan. Regina could have just heard the made-up story, and assumed it was true. From the flashback timeline, Aurora should have already been asleep, when the audience was introduced to Maleficent, in 1.02. 

      Similar to how deleted scenes are not canon, interviews cannot be considered canon either. There have been plenty of times, where Eddy and Adam were misquoted by "reporters", or just decided to go in a different direction. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote: I already commented on this theory on the other thread, but I'll put it here as well. I agree that King Stefan may be a liar. Regina and Maleficent are not however (well, not to each other anyway). And they specifically referenced a Sleeping Beauty that Maleficent had cursed, which was confirmed by Adam and Eddy to be a different one than Aurora, because Aurora said it was her mother. It may not be Aurora's mother, or biological mother, but there was definitly a woman who Maleficent "sleeping cursed" before Aurora. So in that way she does exist.
      I have to disagree, as the Evil Queen was the biggest liar of them all. There are probably only two people who know what happened.... Maleficent and King Stefan. Regina could have just heard the made-up story, and assumed it was true. From the flashback timeline, Aurora should have already been asleep, when the audience was introduced to Maleficent, in 1.02. 

      Similar to how deleted scenes are not canon, interviews cannot be considered canon either. There have been plenty of times, where Eddy and Adam were misquoted by "reporters", or just decided to go in a different direction. 

      I still doubt we won't have an "original Sleeping Beauty", as it seemed Adam and Eddy already had the story line for it as of 1x02 and I don't think they have plans or reasons to change that. Plus, a romance between Maleficent and Stefan would just read "we don't have any of our own creativity, and so we have to steal plot points from recent Disney movies". I don't know, I just don't see what your seeing, I guess. lol

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: I already commented on this theory on the other thread, but I'll put it here as well. I agree that King Stefan may be a liar. Regina and Maleficent are not however (well, not to each other anyway). And they specifically referenced a Sleeping Beauty that Maleficent had cursed, which was confirmed by Adam and Eddy to be a different one than Aurora, because Aurora said it was her mother. It may not be Aurora's mother, or biological mother, but there was definitly a woman who Maleficent "sleeping cursed" before Aurora. So in that way she does exist.

      I have to disagree, as the Evil Queen was the biggest liar of them all. There are probably only two people who know what happened.... Maleficent and King Stefan. Regina could have just heard the made-up story, and assumed it was true. From the flashback timeline, Aurora should have already been asleep, when the audience was introduced to Maleficent, in 1.02. 

      Similar to how deleted scenes are not canon, interviews cannot be considered canon either. There have been plenty of times, where Eddy and Adam were misquoted by "reporters", or just decided to go in a different direction. 

      Yeah but she was talking to Maleficent, and if she was the one who cursed the original Sleeping Beauty, then she would know if it was a lie.

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    • WinterWoodsGal wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote: I already commented on this theory on the other thread, but I'll put it here as well. I agree that King Stefan may be a liar. Regina and Maleficent are not however (well, not to each other anyway). And they specifically referenced a Sleeping Beauty that Maleficent had cursed, which was confirmed by Adam and Eddy to be a different one than Aurora, because Aurora said it was her mother. It may not be Aurora's mother, or biological mother, but there was definitly a woman who Maleficent "sleeping cursed" before Aurora. So in that way she does exist.
      I have to disagree, as the Evil Queen was the biggest liar of them all. There are probably only two people who know what happened.... Maleficent and King Stefan. Regina could have just heard the made-up story, and assumed it was true. From the flashback timeline, Aurora should have already been asleep, when the audience was introduced to Maleficent, in 1.02. 

      Similar to how deleted scenes are not canon, interviews cannot be considered canon either. There have been plenty of times, where Eddy and Adam were misquoted by "reporters", or just decided to go in a different direction. 

      Yeah but she was talking to Maleficent, and if she was the one who cursed the original Sleeping Beauty, then she would know if it was a lie.

      And on that note, Regina is also one of Maleficent's friend. Probably Maleficent told all about her the curse she put on the original sleeping beauty during sleepovers they have in the forbidden fortress, cursing apples and spinning wheels together. 

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    • Hot seat: http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/12/26/once-upon-time-hot-seat-spoilers-2/

      Discuss.

      I think "maybe" and "can't say" mean yes but obviously it's too spoilerous for them to give a direct answer. While "no" and "I don't know" mean no.

      Now I think there will be both an episode for Robin and for Will: in Robin's episode we will see his life with Marian in LWM and his return to Storybrooke (maybe) and his flashback will be about his time in the EF with Will, so we can have Will in more than one flashback; while Will's episode will be about his mysterious plot and his flashback will be about what happened to Anastacia, since they said we might see her.

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    • So we already know based on process of elimination (Maleficent gets 414, Ursula gets 415) that Cruella is probably getting backstory in 416, and Jane tweeted out that she is writing Snow and Charming, and a dragon or a lion or something. I think this is even more proof, in the form of a tease from Jane, that Cruella is a skinwalker (which is a person that can transform into animals once they have the animals pelt to wear). This is a genius move as it is a great reason to explain Cruella's obsession with furs. So excited!

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    • I would agree that Cruella is likely to get 4x16, but I don't think 4x14 is going to be all of Maleficent's backstory.  Part of the reasoning for that is that, from what I have heard, those flashbacks are going to be dealing with Regina and Maleficent's relationship.  I think there will be another episode later where we will see other aspects of Maleficent's backstory (and possiblty we'll finally get to see the twist that they have in store for us on the Sleeping Beauty tale).

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    • What's a skin walker?

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    • Skin walker is a person that is able to transform into any animal, so long as they wear the skin of said animal. and unlike a lycanthrope (like Ruby), they have control over when they transform.

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    • cool

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    • 4x14 is a Regina episode, Maleficent is just part of her backstory.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I would agree that Cruella is likely to get 4x16, but I don't think 4x14 is going to be all of Maleficent's backstory.  Part of the reasoning for that is that, from what I have heard, those flashbacks are going to be dealing with Regina and Maleficent's relationship.  I think there will be another episode later where we will see other aspects of Maleficent's backstory (and possiblty we'll finally get to see the twist that they have in store for us on the Sleeping Beauty tale).

      I agree, I think we will get more backstory for all 3 villians. Here's my prediction for the breakdown of the flashbacks (I imagine other characters will be seen as well, but I haven't fingured all that out yet, lol):

      412 - Rumple

      413 - Snow and Charming

      414 - Maleficent and Regina

      415 - Ursula and maybe Hook

      416 - Cruella and Snow and Charming

      417 - Emma or Belle

      418 - Maleficent and Aurora

      419 - Ursula and somebody

      420 - Cruella and somebody

      421 - Merlin (The Sorcerer) and Rumple

      422 - Merlin and somebody

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    • Interesting that you did the list, I thought of one today as well, based on what's been confirmed:

      412 - The Queens of Darkness and Rumple - how they teamed up in the past and how they meet again in the present.

      413 - Snow and Charming, with their past with the QOD, they will also be tempted by darkness

      414 - Regina, her flashbacks features the first meeting with Maleficent

      415 - Ursula, the mithology, her family, what made her a villain

      416 - Maleficent, the first part of her story

      417 - Robin Hood, his life in the LWM with Marian in the present, his past as a thief, that includes Will

      418 - Cruella, her EF version, her past with Rumple

      419 - Hook, his past with Ursula centuries ago

      420 - Will, his conflict with Maleficent, why he left Wonderland and what happened to Anastacia

      421 - Maleficent and Aurora, the second part of the Sleeping Beauty storyline

      422 - ???

      I didn't include a proper Rumple episode or a Belle or Emma episode because they all got 2 in the Frozen arc. The final episode could be about Emma, or about the next arc, though it could also be about any characters we already know, don't forget the season 2 finale was about Hook.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      421 - Maleficent and Aurora, the second part of the Sleeping Beauty storyline

      I have a feeling that will be shown during 4.14. Regina probably met Maleficent around the time, Aurora was cursed. Though, I agree that Maleficent and King Stefan origin, might be during 4.16.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Interesting that you did the list, I thought of one today as well, based on what's been confirmed:

      412 - The Queens of Darkness and Rumple - how they teamed up in the past and how they meet again in the present.

      413 - Snow and Charming, with their past with the QOD, they will also be tempted by darkness

      414 - Regina, her flashbacks features the first meeting with Maleficent

      415 - Ursula, the mithology, her family, what made her a villain

      416 - Maleficent, the first part of her story

      417 - Robin Hood, his life in the LWM with Marian in the present, his past as a thief, that includes Will

      418 - Cruella, her EF version, her past with Rumple

      419 - Hook, his past with Ursula centuries ago

      420 - Will, his conflict with Maleficent, why he left Wonderland and what happened to Anastacia

      421 - Maleficent and Aurora, the second part of the Sleeping Beauty storyline

      422 - ???

      I didn't include a proper Rumple episode or a Belle or Emma episode because they all got 2 in the Frozen arc. The final episode could be about Emma, or about the next arc, though it could also be about any characters we already know, don't forget the season 2 finale was about Hook.

      And Baelfire, he was actually the main of 221 and 222. And on Will, I totally blanked, but he needs an episode, I'm going to guess 417, that makes more sense than Emma or Belle. And by Aurora I should have specified, I meant Aurora getting cursed as a baby, so it would show more of the early stuff like Stefan and Leah. Also, 416 is almost certainly Cruella with Snow and Charming based on what Jane E. said on Twitter.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: Also, 416 is almost certainly Cruella with Snow and Charming based on what Jane E. said on Twitter.

      Really? I thought, that was referring to 4.13.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote: Also, 416 is almost certainly Cruella with Snow and Charming based on what Jane E. said on Twitter.
      Really? I thought, that was referring to 4.13.

      Jane's first episode she is writing during the second half is 416. Furthermore, she used present tense, and they would be working on 416 now time wise.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Interesting that you did the list, I thought of one today as well, based on what's been confirmed:

      412 - The Queens of Darkness and Rumple - how they teamed up in the past and how they meet again in the present.

      413 - Snow and Charming, with their past with the QOD, they will also be tempted by darkness

      414 - Regina, her flashbacks features the first meeting with Maleficent

      415 - Ursula, the mithology, her family, what made her a villain

      416 - Maleficent, the first part of her story

      417 - Robin Hood, his life in the LWM with Marian in the present, his past as a thief, that includes Will

      418 - Cruella, her EF version, her past with Rumple

      419 - Hook, his past with Ursula centuries ago

      420 - Will, his conflict with Maleficent, why he left Wonderland and what happened to Anastacia

      421 - Maleficent and Aurora, the second part of the Sleeping Beauty storyline

      422 - ???

      I didn't include a proper Rumple episode or a Belle or Emma episode because they all got 2 in the Frozen arc. The final episode could be about Emma, or about the next arc, though it could also be about any characters we already know, don't forget the season 2 finale was about Hook.

      Nice list.  However, based on what we have confirmed (both in terms of story up throuh 4x15, and in terms of "promised" backstories) there are a couple of modifications (My personal opinion, please feel free to disagree)

      416 - In keeping with the apparent trend, and based on the info from Jane E., 4x16 is likely going to be some sort of back story for Cruella.

      418 - Sleeping Beauty (aka Maleficent/Aurora/Stefan), this is primarily based on having Stefan cast already, though he may very well appear in Storybrooke as well earlier than the season.

      419 - I agree with Hook, but I question whether he has a past with Ursula. (Even though she is the most logical of the 3 to have had a past with). This could be a flashback that sets up future arcs (maybe a pirates arc with Long John Silver and Blackbeard, We'll call that one Pirates of Storybrook Harbor).

      420 - Rumple and The Sorcerer - I see this episode as a sort of wrap on the QOD arc (and hopefully with no villain deaths for a change), and an introduction to the sorcerer (a big player in season 5)

      421 - Will - I think that, particularly with this half of the season, we will be getting morsels of the OuATiW, and specifically Will and Anastasia.  This is the big reveal on that story line, and may very well also be a jumping off point for another future story arc.

      422 - Arthur/Merlin/Camelot - Not detailed (since that would be for Season 5) but enough to introduce them and set up for the season 5 arc.

      422 alternate idea - Zoso, or other previous Dark Ones. Definitely a Rumple-centric episode setting up for addressing his being the current Dark One.

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    • Will kinda needs to be one of the last episodes, since he has a big reveal coming, it will be by the end of the season.

      The Zoso idea... I dunno, seems a bit like a filler, it could happen but not in the last episode. Camelot or whatever the next arc is... is more likely.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Hot seat: http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/12/26/once-upon-time-hot-seat-spoilers-2/

      Discuss.

      I think "maybe" and "can't say" mean yes but obviously it's too spoilerous for them to give a direct answer. While "no" and "I don't know" mean no.

      Now I think there will be both an episode for Robin and for Will: in Robin's episode we will see his life with Marian in LWM and his return to Storybrooke (maybe) and his flashback will be about his time in the EF with Will, so we can have Will in more than one flashback; while Will's episode will be about his mysterious plot and his flashback will be about what happened to Anastacia, since they said we might see her.

      Going with the above thought.......anyone's ideas on the following?

      "Should we expect another pregnancy on the show after Snow (Ginnifer Goodwin) and Aurora (Sarah Bolger)?"

      HOROWITZ: Can't say.

      KITSIS: I mean, at some point, someone is going to get knocked up. That's just the way life works.

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    • For starters, I just love Kitsis' response. But if someone's to get pregnant, I'd rather it be Belle, not Regina. I'm not a fan of the whole "affair that occurred when his wife was in an ice coma, but when she awoke, he became a 'man of honor' again" If Belle is pregnant though, that would be the perfect thing to turn Rumple good again. The last thing he would want is to abandon another child.

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    • Either way it would be interesting if either one got pregnant. Or if Emma did. Yeesh. But Unlike Emma, Regina and Belle have never been pregnant. The downside of one of them being pregnant... They kind of get a demoted role. Belle has been put on the back burner a lot, so she would only fall further behind if she were to get pregnant. As for Regina, I am not a fan of her getting a demoted role, but I also think it would be interesting having a child that was born from her. It would also be interesting to see what traits that child obtain. If the child obtains the magic genes from Regina's side or not.

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    • Dan Fox wrote:
      Either way it would be interesting if either one got pregnant. Or if Emma did. Yeesh. But Unlike Emma, Regina and Belle have never been pregnant. The downside of one of them being pregnant... They kind of get a demoted role. Belle has been put on the back burner a lot, so she would only fall further behind if she were to get pregnant. As for Regina, I am not a fan of her getting a demoted role, but I also think it would be interesting having a child that was born from her. It would also be interesting to see what traits that child obtain. If the child obtains the magic genes from Regina's side or not.

      Agreed, Belle should never have a baby.... especially, with Rumplestiltskin. The Stiltskin genes are cursed, and the Rumbelle relationship is incredibly unhealthy. The best thing Belle did for herself, was kick her husband to the curb.

      Regina having a baby could be interesting, since her genes are magical. Though, I am not too sure, she can even have children. We need to remember, that Regina is a lot older than she looks. Then again, her genes are magical.... so, who really knows?

      As for Emma.... she deserves giving birth to a baby, while not in prison. Though I doubt, she would want to get pregnant, without knowing she has security in her relationship. Emma may have received the closure she needed with Neal, but those scars will always remain. 

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    • While I wouldn't be surprised if Regina is pregnant after the whole Robin drama I think its to soon.... However since the beanstalk, there's never been one doubt in my mind there'll be a "pirate princess" at some point. And its not just the CSer in me, its just a given seeing how there relationship is.

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    • I just don't want to see Emma got pregnant. It's way too early for both her and Hook to be heading to the parenthood department together. 

      I can see Regina getting pregnant though, which is unfrotunate for me. I'm not the biggest fan of Robin and his man of honour act.

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    • Dan Fox wrote: Either way it would be interesting if either one got pregnant. Or if Emma did. Yeesh. But Unlike Emma, Regina and Belle have never been pregnant. The downside of one of them being pregnant... They kind of get a demoted role. Belle has been put on the back burner a lot, so she would only fall further behind if she were to get pregnant. As for Regina, I am not a fan of her getting a demoted role, but I also think it would be interesting having a child that was born from her. It would also be interesting to see what traits that child obtain. If the child obtains the magic genes from Regina's side or not.

      That's exactly why I don't want another pregnancy. Though, if season 4B takes place during a single month, and Belle/Regina finds out she's pregnant, it shouldn't be a big problem.

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    • Am I the only one thinking Rumple might want the author to rewrite Neal alive?

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    • DZAV21 wrote: Am I the only one thinking Rumple might want the author to rewrite Neal alive?

      You might be on to something

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    • DZAV21 wrote:
      Am I the only one thinking Rumple might want the author to rewrite Neal alive?

      Gold better not do that, because Neal would kill him. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      DZAV21 wrote:
      Am I the only one thinking Rumple might want the author to rewrite Neal alive?
      Gold better not do that, because Neal would kill him. 


      I just was thinking because of one of the questions in the last spoiler chat..

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    • DZAV21 wrote:

      I just was thinking because of one of the questions in the last spoiler chat..

      I think that was more in reference, to how Maleficent will be resurrected.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      DZAV21 wrote:

      I just was thinking because of one of the questions in the last spoiler chat..

      I think that was more in reference, to how Maleficent will be resurrected.


      Good point but let's be honest, Rumple's delusional enough to believe if he brought Neal back to life he'd forgive him for trying to corrupt his son and kill the women he loved and the man that raised him....

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    • DZAV21 wrote: Rumple's delusional enough to believe if he brought Neal back to life he'd forgive him for trying to corrupt his son and kill the women he loved and the man that raised him....

      There is no denying, that Rumple is that delusional now. As weird as this sounds, Neal got his happy ending when he died.... because he did not have to see his father destroy himself. The poor guy, must be turning in his grave.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      DZAV21 wrote: Rumple's delusional enough to believe if he brought Neal back to life he'd forgive him for trying to corrupt his son and kill the women he loved and the man that raised him....
      There is no denying, that Rumple is that delusional now. As weird as this sounds, Neal got his happy ending when he died.... because he did not have to see his father destroy himself. The poor guy, must be turning in his grave.


      I've been saying that since Rumple found that Damn hat. Corse if they did bring Neal back then CS would have more drama, and we all know they can't catch to long a break. Not that I didn't like Neal but I'm die hard CS...... Which begs another question. WHY THE SAM HELL WILL KILLIAN LOOK FOR REVENGE ON RUMPLE AGAIN!!!??? He got his heart back, he got the women he loves, Rumple's suffering... What gives?

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    • DZAV21 wrote: Which begs another question. WHY THE SAM HELL WILL KILLIAN LOOK FOR REVENGE ON RUMPLE AGAIN!!!??? He got his heart back, he got the women he loves, Rumple's suffering... What gives?

      Gold is coming back to Storybrooke, that is what gives. While he might not have Belle, he will have his powers again. According to spoilers, Belle is going to give Hook the dagger. It will probably be a petty revenge.... ie: Hook rubbing it in Gold's face. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      DZAV21 wrote: Which begs another question. WHY THE SAM HELL WILL KILLIAN LOOK FOR REVENGE ON RUMPLE AGAIN!!!??? He got his heart back, he got the women he loves, Rumple's suffering... What gives?
      Gold is coming back to Storybrooke, that is what gives. While he might not have Belle, he will have his powers again. According to spoilers, Belle is going to give Hook the dagger. It will probably be a petty revenge.... ie: Hook rubbing it in Gold's face. 


      Ohhh..... Good point.

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    • Rumple already said there is no point in changing the story when Zelena said she was gonna bring Neal back, he died a hero, there's no point in resurrecting him, and even Rumple (as you said) wouldn't want his son to see him as he is now, power addicted and without wife.

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    • And, if they were to bring Neal back (which I highly doubt), I really don't see that as adding tension to the CS relationship. Neal pretty much told Emma to find love again when he died. And given the final state of Neal and Killian's relationship, I see Neal as being happy it's his friend that is bringing happiness to Emma.  The only tension that I would see is the bachelor party that Neal (as the Best Man) would throw for Killian right before the wedding.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      And, if they were to bring Neal back (which I highly doubt), I really don't see that as adding tension to the CS relationship. Neal pretty much told Emma to find love again when he died. And given the final state of Neal and Killian's relationship, I see Neal as being happy it's his friend that is bringing happiness to Emma.  The only tension that I would see is the bachelor party that Neal (as the Best Man) would throw for Killian right before the wedding.


      Darlin, have you seen Em?? If Neal came back the problems wouldn't come from him they'd come from her. She'd probably feel guilty or confused or like she owed something to Henry. Em's like a deer, the slightest rustle and she freaks then bolts.....

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    • True, Em could be a problem.  And it probably doesn't help that Henry is not completely in favor of Killian. But I think Neal, Killian, with a little help from David, will help Emma get over her Deer in the Headlights reaction.  I think David and Killian's 'talk' in white out convinced David that he's the real deal, not to mention his comment after Killian and Emma's date.

      And believe me, I know about deer as well.  I was driving in to work this morning and saw a 4 point buck standing on the side of the road, and I was just praying that he stayed right where he was. Beautiful, almost regal, creature, but nothing between those small ears. (fyi, he was content to watch me drive by and then turn and walk back into the woods).

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      True, Em could be a problem.  And it probably doesn't help that Henry is not completely in favor of Killian. But I think Neal, Killian, with a little help from David, will help Emma get over her Deer in the Headlights reaction.  I think David and Killian's 'talk' in white out convinced David that he's the real deal, not to mention his comment after Killian and Emma's date.

      And believe me, I know about deer as well.  I was driving in to work this morning and saw a 4 point buck standing on the side of the road, and I was just praying that he stayed right where he was. Beautiful, almost regal, creature, but nothing between those small ears. (fyi, he was content to watch me drive by and then turn and walk back into the woods).


      My parents have always told me if one is on the road or jumps out, keep driving never swerve or your the one that dies. As awful as it sounds its true, everyone in my family tell each other "Never force me to say Bambi killed you."

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    • This is getting terribly off topic for a Spoilers thread... but I need to say I'd rahter die than kill a deer xD I couldn't help the guilt afterwards.

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    • DZAV21 wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      True, Em could be a problem.  And it probably doesn't help that Henry is not completely in favor of Killian. But I think Neal, Killian, with a little help from David, will help Emma get over her Deer in the Headlights reaction.  I think David and Killian's 'talk' in white out convinced David that he's the real deal, not to mention his comment after Killian and Emma's date.

      And believe me, I know about deer as well.  I was driving in to work this morning and saw a 4 point buck standing on the side of the road, and I was just praying that he stayed right where he was. Beautiful, almost regal, creature, but nothing between those small ears. (fyi, he was content to watch me drive by and then turn and walk back into the woods).


      My parents have always told me if one is on the road or jumps out, keep driving never swerve or your the one that dies. As awful as it sounds its true, everyone in my family tell each other "Never force me to say Bambi killed you."

      That's true for small animals, but with deer hitting them can actually damage your car. Obviously, you should try not to kill any animals with your car, if you can safely avoid it.

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    • Now really, let's get this thread in topic again xD

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      Now really, let's get this thread in topic again xD

      Okay... back on topic: I'm waiting for a Adam to announce the next episode title and see if they clues us in if it's Cruella-centric. And I'm also waiting for news sites to announce new and returning characters for 4B. My top guesses for things we'll see is Queen Leah casting (or a casting call), Anita coming back, and Anastatia from Wonderland coming back.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: My top guesses for things we'll see is Queen Leah casting 

      Do not hold you breath, because there is a possibility that she does not exist.

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    • Hopefully, now that the holiday's are done, we can get back to some semblence of spoiler order.  It's been too dang quiet that past couple of weeks. (Not that I'm complaining, I've gotten some good reading in, plus rewatching S4.)

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote: My top guesses for things we'll see is Queen Leah casting 
      Do not hold you breath, because there is a possibility that she does not exist.

      Well, possibly not by that name, and she may not be Aurora's biological mother, but King Stefan will have a queen, and Aurora will think this is her mother (if she is not her actual biological mother). I'm like 100% sure of this based on things Maleficent, Regina, and Aurora have said on the show.

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    • I'm pretty sure that King Stefan would definitely have a queen. The name, and the importance of that character though is still ambigous. 

      I'm really excited for a possible Cruella episode as she is definitely my favourite out of the 3 QOD from the brief appearance we got. Totally could see her as a skinwalker, as many have suggested.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Well, possibly not by that name, and she may not be Aurora's biological mother, but King Stefan will have a queen, and Aurora will think this is her mother (if she is not her actual biological mother). I'm like 100% sure of this based on things Maleficent, Regina, and Aurora have said on the show.

      King Stefan does not need to have a queen. He could just pretend to be a widower, to save face. Assuming Maleficent is Aurora's biological mother.... King Stefan could have told Aurora, that Maleficent killed "the queen" shortly after her birth. The original Sleeping Beauty could be a lie Stefan made up, to keep everyone from finding out the truth.

      PS: I had the strangest thought, that Maleficent's unicorn pony is actually Stefan.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Well, possibly not by that name, and she may not be Aurora's biological mother, but King Stefan will have a queen, and Aurora will think this is her mother (if she is not her actual biological mother). I'm like 100% sure of this based on things Maleficent, Regina, and Aurora have said on the show.

      King Stefan does not need to have a queen. He could just pretend to be a widower, to save face. Assuming Maleficent is Aurora's biological mother.... King Stefan could have told Aurora, that Maleficent killed "the queen" shortly after her birth. The original Sleeping Beauty could be a lie Stefan made up, to keep everyone from finding out the truth.

      But we know about the original Sleeping Beauty due to Maleficent and The Evil Queens conversation.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Well, possibly not by that name, and she may not be Aurora's biological mother, but King Stefan will have a queen, and Aurora will think this is her mother (if she is not her actual biological mother). I'm like 100% sure of this based on things Maleficent, Regina, and Aurora have said on the show.

      King Stefan does not need to have a queen. He could just pretend to be a widower, to save face. Assuming Maleficent is Aurora's biological mother.... King Stefan could have told Aurora, that Maleficent killed "the queen" shortly after her birth. The original Sleeping Beauty could be a lie Stefan made up, to keep everyone from finding out the truth.

      PS: I had the strangest thought, that Maleficent's unicorn pony is actually Stefan.

      And no one else would question the King about his dead wife no one ever saw? Furthermore, why would Maleficent spread this lie, the lie that according to you is keeping her from her own daughter. It doesn't make sense. And why would she curse Aurora, if Aurora was her daughter? Why would she even give Stefan her daughter if they were not getting along? Maleficent had a whole castle, it's not like she was poor and Stefan was rich. She would have raised her daughter without Stefan. Your theory is interesting, but it doesn't fit in with what we have already seen on Once.

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    • It would only make sense for Stefan to be Malefient's pet unicorn if she both hated and loved him. Why else would she have protected her unicorn (Which could have been Stefan) from Regina? Or it could just be a regular unicorn. We saw another one of those in the episode "The Doctor."

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    • Dan Fox wrote: It would only make sense for Stefan to be Malefient's pet unicorn if she both hated and loved him. 

      It is very possible, to both love and hate the same person. Besides, Maleficent does have a penchant for turning people into animals.

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    • http://tvline.com/gallery/tv-spoilers-2015-season-premieres-photos/#!18/winterpreview_onceuponatime/

      Some more spoilers along with old ones. They are saying again that we will know who the author is pretty soon (probably no one), the QoD have a conenctions to the Charmings, and Emma will explore her heritage... what does this mean? Her role as the Savior? I hope so, because she hasn't really defeated any villains directly. "who she was/is and will be" cool, I want to see more of her role, and perhaps this means there's a flashback about her, it was hinted in other interviews, I'm adding an Emma episode to the chart then.

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    • I agree that the spoiler seems to indicate that we will see more of Emma's Pre-Storybrooke history.  The fact that the spoiler says something along the lines of "Who she was, is, and will be", makes me think this could be a setup for the future as well as an Emma-Centric, and with that in mind, it could be a good season ending episode (since that seems to be the only one that has not already been spoken for).

      I'm also betting that we may see more of Lily in this episode (which ever one it is), Maybe a little as teenage Lily, and then introduce an Adult Lily that plays some role in an upcoming arc.

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    • One thing we need to remember is that Em is not just the Savior but also a princess, a future queen. She's also the product of true love and therefore could possibly be even more powerful then Rumple. She may also have to take over the authors job one day. Her heritage is krushal, and a major part of her destiny. Plus you add in that Em is still discovering who she is, of course she's looking for more answers.

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    • Emma is a future queen, but isn't Snow a queen? David and Snow have never been referred to as king and queen. Are A&E against calling them King David and Queen Snow White? David even called himself a prince in 3x14.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I agree that the spoiler seems to indicate that we will see more of Emma's Pre-Storybrooke history.  The fact that the spoiler says something along the lines of "Who she was, is, and will be", makes me think this could be a setup for the future as well as an Emma-Centric, and with that in mind, it could be a good season ending episode (since that seems to be the only one that has not already been spoken for).

      I'm also betting that we may see more of Lily in this episode (which ever one it is), Maybe a little as teenage Lily, and then introduce an Adult Lily that plays some role in an upcoming arc.

      Yes we could end the season with that Emma episode, that's what I thought. Lily will return but I don't think it will be an adult version of her, you know why? Because when we saw the casting call, it said it was for a recurring role, meaning that her actress would do an audiction for this character and she would appear in various episodes. Considering she is magical in some way, she may not have aged. Or... she has aged but we may still see her young self in a couple more flashbacks.

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    • Maybe Lily is a fallen star?

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    • Oh, I definitely agree that we will see young LIly again (and maybe more than once). Given as how we don't know which fairy tale character she is tied to (if any), I'm not as positive on the eternal youth aspect.  ANd particularly if we do get an adult Lily at some point, we'll need young Lily for her background story.  So it's possible that the role is recurring, just as Abby Ross and Bailee Madison have recurring roles.

      As for Snow being Queen and David being King. While they did have the huge celebration of their wedding in front of the Kingdom, I'm not sure that they have been 'officially' crowned as King and Queen. Prior to the first curse, they were kinda busy trying to defend against Regina (and others) to bother wtih the details of a coronation ceremony. since the first curse was broken, the entire gang has gone from 1 crisis to the next.

      The have also only referred to Emma as a princess one time that I can recall (the end of There's No Place like Home), and techncially she has not been announced formally. 

      I think it would be a good side story on an Emma-centric episode to have her 'official' presentation as a princess be a part of the story.

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    • I'm not well versed in Arthurian legend, but is there any character that gives a baby girl up or anything like that. If so, that could be who Lily is. And her character can tie into Season 5A, presuming it's Camelot.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      Emma will explore her heritage... what does this mean? Her role as the Savior? I hope so, because she hasn't really defeated any villains directly.

      Emma's destiny is not to defeat villains, it is to bring back the happy endings. Like @DZAV21 said, Emma might become the new author.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      and Emma will explore her heritage...



      When I think of heritage, I think about ancestry, background, "where did my parents come from and where did their parents come from?".  I get visions of those Ancestry.com commercials where people find out their great, great grandfather was a war vet who married a woman that grew up down the block from where you currently live.  And she had red hair just like you.  Wow!

      So I'm thinking Emma's gotta go back (not in time, but maybe she has to research, or go to the EF) and find out all about her heritage in order to form who she is and will be.  (And obviously let's hope that who she WILL be, will be Mrs Killian Jones).  wink wink.  But seriously.

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    • DarlingDavies wrote:

      And obviously let's hope that who she WILL be, will be Mrs Killian Jones.  wink wink.  

      Hahahahaha.... knowing Hook; he is going to buy the biggest, gaudiest ring he can find.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      DarlingDavies wrote:

      And obviously let's hope that who she WILL be, will be Mrs Killian Jones.  wink wink.  

      Hahahahaha.... knowing Hook; he is going to buy the biggest, gaudiest ring he can find.


      hopefully by the time this rolls around, he'll be friends w/ Will Scarlet.  and Hook will ask Will to help him shop for a ring.  those 2, a couple bottles o' rum and a trip to Storybrooke Mall...lol.  "hey Hook, what's an Orange Julius?".

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    • DarlingDavies wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      and Emma will explore her heritage...


      When I think of heritage, I think about ancestry, background, "where did my parents come from and where did their parents come from?".  I get visions of those Ancestry.com commercials where people find out their great, great grandfather was a war vet who married a woman that grew up down the block from where you currently live.  And she had red hair just like you.  Wow!

      So I'm thinking Emma's gotta go back (not in time, but maybe she has to research, or go to the EF) and find out all about her heritage in order to form who she is and will be.  (And obviously let's hope that who she WILL be, will be Mrs Killian Jones).  wink wink.  But seriously.

      It could be that, or it could be more Heritage about her life in LWM, it was hinted in the interviews that more of Emma's past was in the cards, particularly the Swan family, I'm curious as to why she has that surname, outside of the LOST reference. Maybe they're important and they aren't just "nice people Emma got affectioned to but who abandoned her for some reason" and this generic stuff, I mean... I'm pretty sure the Swan family has a meaning, considering Emma has been encountering a huge number of fairy tales characters before Storybrooke: Baelfire, August, Ingrid and now Lily.

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    • Hahaha ok

      1. Killian can just pull one of those many rings off his hand.

      2. Will & Killian shopping together? An outlaw & pirate SHOPPING? Em would have them both locked up. Haha

      3. I think Em will struggle with her destiny to give everyone happy endings and wanting one of her ow..

      4. I think this whole Sorser Author thing is like a nest of hornets, something tells me their all playing with fire trying to find him. Obviously making him change everyones out comes could lead to a dangerous domino effect that could be what S5 is about, fixing the mess.

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    • DZAV21 wrote: Hahaha ok

      1. Killian can just pull one of those many rings off his hand.

      2. Will & Killian shopping together? An outlaw & pirate SHOPPING? Em would have them both locked up. Haha

      3. I think Em will struggle with her destiny to give everyone happy endings and wanting one of her ow..

      4. I think this whole Sorser Author thing is like a nest of hornets, something tells me their all playing with fire trying to find him. Obviously making him change everyones out comes could lead to a dangerous domino effect that could be what S5 is about, fixing the mess.

      My only concern about a CS wedding is where Killian will put his ring, probably around his neck or on his right hand. But since we've resolved that mostly, I am all game for a Mr. and Mrs. Killian Jones! (and a little princess if we are so lucky)

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    • MagicKaty1 wrote:

      DZAV21 wrote: Hahaha ok

      1. Killian can just pull one of those many rings off his hand.

      2. Will & Killian shopping together? An outlaw & pirate SHOPPING? Em would have them both locked up. Haha

      3. I think Em will struggle with her destiny to give everyone happy endings and wanting one of her ow..

      4. I think this whole Sorser Author thing is like a nest of hornets, something tells me their all playing with fire trying to find him. Obviously making him change everyones out comes could lead to a dangerous domino effect that could be what S5 is about, fixing the mess.

      My only concern about a CS wedding is where Killian will put his ring, probably around his neck or on his right hand. But since we've resolved that mostly, I am all game for a Mr. and Mrs. Killian Jones! (and a little princess if we are so lucky)


      a little princess - yes.  i see them having a baby girl, too.  hook would fall alllllll over himself w/ happiness to have Swan and a little girl just like her.  oh, to dream.  writers: i hope you're listening to us!!!

      (ps - i just rewatched the episode in S3 where Bae and Hook fight over Emma.  oh my lord, the lines they wrote for Hook.  melt my heart why don't you.  oh man.)

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    • DarlingDavies wrote:
      MagicKaty1 wrote:

      DZAV21 wrote: Hahaha ok

      1. Killian can just pull one of those many rings off his hand.

      2. Will & Killian shopping together? An outlaw & pirate SHOPPING? Em would have them both locked up. Haha

      3. I think Em will struggle with her destiny to give everyone happy endings and wanting one of her ow..

      4. I think this whole Sorser Author thing is like a nest of hornets, something tells me their all playing with fire trying to find him. Obviously making him change everyones out comes could lead to a dangerous domino effect that could be what S5 is about, fixing the mess.

      My only concern about a CS wedding is where Killian will put his ring, probably around his neck or on his right hand. But since we've resolved that mostly, I am all game for a Mr. and Mrs. Killian Jones! (and a little princess if we are so lucky)

      a little princess - yes.  i see them having a baby girl, too.  hook would fall alllllll over himself w/ happiness to have Swan and a little girl just like her.  oh, to dream.  writers: i hope you're listening to us!!!

      (ps - i just rewatched the episode in S3 where Bae and Hook fight over Emma.  oh my lord, the lines they wrote for Hook.  melt my heart why don't you.  oh man.)


      Here watch these, sums up every CSer in S3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrxWHWvNeXM

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2ref5PnpA8

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    • http://tvline.com/2015/01/15/once-upon-a-time-season-4-cast-patrick-fischler-peddler/

      A new recurring character, but it's not actually the peddler from Aladdin it seems, another website says his name is Gorin and he is a key character to Once's mythology... so, the Author and/or the Sorcerer.

      I hope he is the Author, and that the Sorcerer and/or Merlino are different characters, because I want Terry O'Quinn to interpret them, or one of them if they're not the same person.

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    • If this peddler is the author, it would be a nice homage to Disney's Aladdin.... as that peddler was actually the genie.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      http://tvline.com/2015/01/15/once-upon-a-time-season-4-cast-patrick-fischler-peddler/A new recurring character, but it's not actually the peddler from Aladdin it seems, another website says his name is Gorin and he is a key character to Once's mythology... so, the Author and/or the Sorcerer.


      oooooh!  I great enjoy this casting.  I like that actor.  a great look, a great voice.  quirky."quick-witted, arrogant man with reckless impulses" - INTRIGUE to the max. 

      i was just trying to research "Gorin" to see if anything came up.  nothing found w/ stories about anyone w/ this name.  on my end.  but it did lead me on a wild goose chase to read about the Green Knight and the Canary Prince.  Never heard of these fairytales. 

      i like the idea of this actor as the Peddler, though. i think he'd be good.  that being said, i would not want to see a full on Aladdain storyline. 

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    • Very interesting announcement, and from the little I read in the article, this Peddler seems to be more of an original character.  Though if he is related to the Sorcerer/Author arc, it could be a very fitting tribute to the Aladdin movie.  I never actually saw the Peddler and the Genie as the same character, even though both were voiced by Robin Williams.  But the Peddler was also the Storyteller for Aladdin, and if they take the Peddler towards a role of Storyteller, that could be an interesting twist.

      Or, maybe, the Peddler is a disguise, and he really is the Sorcerer/Author.

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    • @DarlingDavies: I want to see a full Aladdin storyline. xD I still don't think Jafar's father is the Sultan.

      @Hmcooper4: I agree with ya there. The sorcerer/author (I pray it's Merlin), disguised himself as the Peddler. The characters would never suspect he would be the writer. I also think Rumple and Regina bumped into him long ago. Have you ever wondered where they got ingredients for potions? He is a peddler after all, selling rare magical items throughout the Enchanted Forest.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      http://tvline.com/2015/01/15/once-upon-a-time-season-4-cast-patrick-fischler-peddler/

      A new recurring character, but it's not actually the peddler from Aladdin it seems, another website says his name is Gorin and he is a key character to Once's mythology... so, the Author and/or the Sorcerer.

      I hope he is the Author, and that the Sorcerer and/or Merlino are different characters, because I want Terry O'Quinn to interpret them, or one of them if they're not the same person.

      Finally, we got another new character confirmed, I was starting to get worried we weren't going to get anything before the show starts up again.

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    • Also, it looks like Patrick Fischler is also a Lost alumni, I was wondering when we'd have another one of them pop up.

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    • I have a feeling that near the end of season 4, Will is going to reunite with Ana, they are going to be crowned the White KIng and Queen in Wonderland (by this time Will has gotten somewhat close to the rest of the Storybrooke Gang) with some people from Storybrooke there watching (maybe Emma, Hook, Robin, Mary Margaret, David, and maybe Regina). If the coronation of Will and Ana is shown, then I think either Tweedledum or the White Rabbit crown them and then the Storybrooke Gang returns to Storybrooke. I heard a theory that the Author turns out to be bad at the end of the season. The only reason I think Author wouldn't destroy any enemies is because I believe that he has a magical quill (from Zeus's eagle form) that he wrote Henry's book with and maybe someone destroys the quill and he loses his ability to write people's fate. So maybe at the beginning of Season 5, if the Author is a villain then it would be cool if he has Jafar's bottle and uses him as a servant for a majority of Season 5. So maybe Emma will have to go back to Wonderland to retrieve Will and Ana because they have already dealt with him before.And then at the end, the Storybrooke Gang free Jafar and he helps them fight the Author. I have a feeling Jafar would join the others because the Author is definently more powerful than him and in OUaTiW you never saw anyone who was more powerful than Jafar (except the Jabberwocky but she doesn't count because she was his slave). This is pretty much how I want the series to end.    

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    • I hope he isn't evil, an arrogant personality makes him more colorful but we already have an evil god-like character: Rumple, we need a positive powerful one.

      And actually, if this Peddler has still something to do with Aladdin, that would be the best way to bring Jafar back (Adam said #nospoilers when asked about his return).

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      I hope he isn't evil, an arrogant personality makes him more colorful but we already have an evil god-like character: Rumple, we need a positive powerful one.

      And actually, if this Peddler has still something to do with Aladdin, that would be the best way to bring Jafar back (Adam said #nospoilers when asked about his return).

      Yeah, no way are we not getting genie Jafar, along with Aladdin and Jasmine on Once at some point, I just don't know when.

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    • I think he might be the guy that turned Cruella into who she is today, or her lover. I mean we already have Poseidon coming (He's Ursula's Dad), King Stefan (Has a connection to Maleficent), and so Cruella is the only one with no male connection left besides Rumple (Whom they all know).

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    • QuinnHeartly wrote: @DarlingDavies: I want to see a full Aladdin storyline. xD I still don't think Jafar's father is the Sultan.

      @Hmcooper4: I agree with ya there. The sorcerer/author (I pray it's Merlin), disguised himself as the Peddler. The characters would never suspect he would be the writer. I also think Rumple and Regina bumped into him long ago. Have you ever wondered where they got ingredients for potions? He is a peddler after all, selling rare magical items throughout the Enchanted Forest.

      Yeah, it's possible they all already met the Author but didn't know who he was, I think it could be another Jacob, though I hope he stays around for a good while in this case.

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    • Fragile Daydreamer wrote:
      Anybody else think that Cruella is a shapeshifter? Hear me out. 

      1. Adam and Eddie have said that Cruella's power has to do with animals, and what she wears on her back. 

      2. Adam and Eddie also say that Cruella has a "dollop" of magic.

      3. In Heroes and Villains, a dalmatian appears out of nowhere, draws Belle out, and disappears. 

      4. The dalmatian disappears and we see a person wearing gloves grab Belle. Note that the gloves seem to have diamonds/Swarovsky crystals on them. [Either that, or tiny metal rivets].

      These may seem circumstancial at the moment, but we can infer that one, Cruella may have magic, but not as much as the other two Queens of Darkness. Which could mean that she has either a limited ability, or have less raw power. Second, with A&E saying that her power has to do with animals and the fur she wears (limited ability, for now), it would seem to point to Cruella being some sort of Skin-walker. That would explain her "penchant for furs".

      In-universe, the circumstances of Belle's kidnapping allowed each of the Queens of Darkness to make their presence known to Rumple (and the audience)via something connected to their power/magic: Maleficent via her servant raven (Diablo?) and Ursula via the sand dollar. So where is Cruella's signature (for lack of a better word)? The dalmatian. Now, one may argue that the dalmatian may be Cruella's servant, but Cruella doesn't keep animals around, she keeps their pelts/fur. And it is curious that the dalmatian disappears a few seconds before Belle is nabbed--- by someone who seems to be wearing woman's gloves.

      Granted, this is all speculation and we still need more in-universe evidence and confirmation, and A&E could throw us a curveball, but for now, Cruella being a skin-walker is a very likely possibility.  

      I agree 100% with this theory and I hope everyone else does too.

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    • https://twitter.com/onceabc/status/557220978829565954

      "Something magical coming this friday", okay, I'm hooked! (sorry, it's actually the first time I say it). I presume we will see a tease every day this week.

      A Marvel crossover? I hope not. I want actual Once news.

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    • I just think it is Out of the Past, the next OUAT comics. Hook is confirmed to have one of the four stories ^^

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      https://twitter.com/onceabc/status/557220978829565954

      "Something magical coming this friday", okay, I'm hooked! (sorry, it's actually the first time I say it). I presume we will see a tease every day this week.

      A Marvel crossover? I hope not. I want actual Once news.

      I saw this on tumblr. I think we'll just be getting either concept arts for the comic, a sneak peek of a page, or a synopsis for the four stories.

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    • This how I think the storyline about the Author should go: I think it would be cool if the Author was originally a Greek god but was cast out of Mount Olympus by the gods for some reason. What if the Author was the father of Athena and Hephaestus (even though it doesn't match up with Greek mythology). The gods say that in ancient times they bestowed the gift of magic to mortals so they (mortals) can dream to be like the gods because magic is like a minimum form if the gods' power. But Zeus asks the Author (or whatever his original name is as a god) to create an object that can consume and hold magic because the gods see the act of giving mortals magic as a mistake. So, the Author creates the powerful hat by sucking all the magic from Earth, giving it the nickname Land Without Magic. The Author teaches Hephaestus how to make Pandora's Box and when Hephaestus accidentally opens it and releases a lot of demons, monsters, etc., the Author takes the blame for it and is kicked out of Olympus. Before he leaves, Zeus gives him the job of controlling the mortals' (within FTL) lives, deaths, and fates; but not their faith. Zeus then gives him a magical feather from from his eagle form that the Author uses to write the storybook. He was also allowed to keep his immortality. In one of the last episodes of season 4, Emma, Hook, David, MM, Henry, Will, Regina, Belle, Rumple, and the QoD find the Author in his house and he is mysterious and kind. In his house there is a giant version of the storybook that the Author originally wrote in that defines the fates of those in FTL. Next to the book is a magical white shimmering quill that is called the Quill of Fate. The Author represents the god of FTL and the giant book represents the Tree of Knowledge and the quill is like the forbidden fruit. The Author warns the others not to mess with the quill, but they can read the book. Of course Rumple is tempted to take the quill and rewrite his story so when he takes it, the Author immediately finds out and starts to destroy his house (kinda like in the end of 'The Last Crusade'). The Author demands Rumple to give the quill back but the QoD try to attack the Author but he easily transforms them into small miniature statues on his shelf. The Author then magically holds Belle hostage and once again demands the quill and as it appears Rumple is about to hand it over, he burns it instead, outraging the Author. Rumple uses this opportunity to grab Belle and tells the Author before they teleport away: "You may be immortal, but you no longer control our fates." This would be cool because by making the choice of destroying the quill and taking the Author's ability away to control fates, he chooses Belle and love over power. After Rumple and Belle are gone, the Author stops the destruction of his house. Later, we see Rumple reenter the remains of the house and we wonder if he hasn't changed at all when it looks like he is trying to retrieve the miniatures of the QoD when he sees that their missing, and the Author is behind him holding the miniatures.The Author: "Looking for these?"Rumple turns around to face him.Rumple: "You know I am. They wanted the same as me, to not be tangled in strings by you anymore. "Hearing this, the Author crushes the miniatures in his hand. Author: "You are all ungrateful. I meant to guide you all to a better place. But, you choose to take fate into your own hands." Rumple remains silent. Author: "You think stopping my power of the book will matter?! I had lived countless lifetimes before your kind were born." More dialogue. Rumple soon leaves.In a later scene, the Author enters another room and pulls a small black genie's bottle off of a shelf and blows some dust off of it. He then takes the cork out of the bottle's top and Jafar comes out.Jafar: "What the-, Master mine, my will is thine. Tell me your wishes three."Author: "Hello there Jafar. I must be your first master, but don't worry. I have no plans to keep you in the bottle." Jafar looks both intrigued and confused. "You see Jafar, a war will be starting soon, and I have a feeling you can be of great use to me. You prove to be so, and I free you of your imprisonment."Jafar: "Who will be fought in this war, exactly?"Author: "Everyone."  What do you think?

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      I just think it is Out of the Past, the next OUAT comics. Hook is confirmed to have one of the four stories ^^

      I am so here for this. I want more information.

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    • http://hookier.tumblr.com/post/108673913429/who-are-the-heroes-and-who-are-the-villains-in

      By the looks of these pictures, Maleficent is holding a storybook page. Possibly a new page like the one Robin found. It looks like the picture on the page is of the looking glass portal to Wonderland seen in Hat Trick. I hope I'm right because I really want to see Anastasia.

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    • Yes, Maleficent also had a looking glass that brought both Will and Anastacia to Wonderland.

      I wonder why Ursula is missing in these scenes, I'm sure she is still alive, it'd be too early in the arc to kill one of them.

      Also, the article says Regina joins the Queens of Darkness, but obviously it doesn't mean it that way...?

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    • WorldHopper22 wrote:
      http://hookier.tumblr.com/post/108673913429/who-are-the-heroes-and-who-are-the-villains-in

      By the looks of these pictures, Maleficent is holding a storybook page. Possibly a new page like the one Robin found. It looks like the picture on the page is of the looking glass portal to Wonderland seen in Hat Trick. I hope I'm right because I really want to see Anastasia.

      Looks like Mal got all the clothes in Zelena's closet, lol.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      WorldHopper22 wrote:
      http://hookier.tumblr.com/post/108673913429/who-are-the-heroes-and-who-are-the-villains-in

      By the looks of these pictures, Maleficent is holding a storybook page. Possibly a new page like the one Robin found. It looks like the picture on the page is of the looking glass portal to Wonderland seen in Hat Trick. I hope I'm right because I really want to see Anastasia.

      Looks like Mal got all the clothes in Zelena's closet, lol.

      She found the bleach. Guess she didn't want the green skin.

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    • Maleficent looks a lot like Zelena in the BTS photos. At first I thought it was the Wicked Witch in the pictures.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Yes, Maleficent also had a looking glass that brought both Will and Anastacia to Wonderland.

      I wonder why Ursula is missing in these scenes, I'm sure she is still alive, it'd be too early in the arc to kill one of them.

      Also, the article says Regina joins the Queens of Darkness, but obviously it doesn't mean it that way...?

      Maybe Ursula left via the sea in SB, she probably has powers similar to mermaids, and they can go to any world via the sea.

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    • Iove Maleficent's modern outfit!!!

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    • I agree that she looks like Zelena. By the way, it looks like Emma's red jacket is back on set.

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    • Okay guys!!!!! I think ABC just revealed on their website one new potential title card for 4b :D After the snow for Elsa and Ingrid, we're gonna have brambles for Maleficent :D

      http://static.east.abc.go.com/service/image/ratio/id/6103ee26-9522-444d-b3df-f25ce87de821/dim/320.16x9.jpg

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    • Ok so CS is doing the classic scene from 40's movies where the girl runs around frantically on the docks looking for the guy then when she sees him, runs into his embrace and have a big emotional talk???.... Yeah I'm down with that..

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Okay guys!!!!! I think ABC just revealed on their website one new potential title card for 4b :D After the snow for Elsa and Ingrid, we're gonna have brambles for Maleficent :D

      http://static.east.abc.go.com/service/image/ratio/id/6103ee26-9522-444d-b3df-f25ce87de821/dim/320.16x9.jpg

      OH MY GOSH!!! (caps are needed here). That looks amazing.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Okay guys!!!!! I think ABC just revealed on their website one new potential title card for 4b :D After the snow for Elsa and Ingrid, we're gonna have brambles for Maleficent :D

      http://static.east.abc.go.com/service/image/ratio/id/6103ee26-9522-444d-b3df-f25ce87de821/dim/320.16x9.jpg

      Very nice, indeed! Makes you wonder what they're gonna come up with for Cruella and Ursula.

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Okay guys!!!!! I think ABC just revealed on their website one new potential title card for 4b :D After the snow for Elsa and Ingrid, we're gonna have brambles for Maleficent :D

      http://static.east.abc.go.com/service/image/ratio/id/6103ee26-9522-444d-b3df-f25ce87de821/dim/320.16x9.jpg

      Yeah, they had that on the most recent cut of the commercial on ABC. I'm guessing that's our promo title card for 4B, like 3B had the yellow brick road and 4A had snow, but it will probably be used for an actual episode at some point.

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    • Apparently this is an official poster, it was seen in Disneyland: https://twitter.com/luxuxurious24/status/558346170641027073/photo/1

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    • Mal is smiling too much. Isn't she supposed to be the villain of this arc? LOL I kind of have hopes that she'll keep her semi-redemption that we've seen in the franchise up to now and that she'll only be evil in flashbacks.

      In fact, since Maleficent has seemed semi-redeemed and she is Regina's only friend from the EF, I could see her be the only QoD that survives.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Mal is smiling too much. Isn't she supposed to be the villain of this arc? LOL I kind of have hopes that she'll keep her semi-redemption that we've seen in the franchise up to now and that she'll only be evil in flashbacks.

      In fact, since Maleficent has seemed semi-redeemed and she is Regina's only friend from the EF, I could see her be the only QoD that survives.

      Of the three Queens of Darkness, Maleficent is the most likely to be truly redeemed. Disney even redeemed her, and would probably prefer if OUaT dos the same. While she does practice the Dark Arts, I doubt Maleficent will even be viewed as a villain is the flashbacks.... the villain title will be given to King Stefan.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Mal is smiling too much. Isn't she supposed to be the villain of this arc? LOL I kind of have hopes that she'll keep her semi-redemption that we've seen in the franchise up to now and that she'll only be evil in flashbacks.

      In fact, since Maleficent has seemed semi-redeemed and she is Regina's only friend from the EF, I could see her be the only QoD that survives.

      Of the three Queens of Darkness, Maleficent is the most likely to be truly redeemed. Disney even redeemed her, and would probably prefer if OUaT dos the same. While she does practice the Dark Arts, I doubt Maleficent will even be viewed as a villain is the flashbacks.... the villain title will be given to King Stefan.

      oh god i hope they don't do the plot of Maleficent.

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    • Kncooper wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Mal is smiling too much. Isn't she supposed to be the villain of this arc? LOL I kind of have hopes that she'll keep her semi-redemption that we've seen in the franchise up to now and that she'll only be evil in flashbacks.

      In fact, since Maleficent has seemed semi-redeemed and she is Regina's only friend from the EF, I could see her be the only QoD that survives.

      Of the three Queens of Darkness, Maleficent is the most likely to be truly redeemed. Disney even redeemed her, and would probably prefer if OUaT dos the same. While she does practice the Dark Arts, I doubt Maleficent will even be viewed as a villain is the flashbacks.... the villain title will be given to King Stefan.

      oh god i hope they don't do the plot of Maleficent.

      I hope they don't. But I have enough belief that they will replicate a portion of it. I like how they even got rid of the orb on top of her staff because, in canon, she got the orb to hid the dark curse in it.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Mal is smiling too much. Isn't she supposed to be the villain of this arc? LOL I kind of have hopes that she'll keep her semi-redemption that we've seen in the franchise up to now and that she'll only be evil in flashbacks.

      In fact, since Maleficent has seemed semi-redeemed and she is Regina's only friend from the EF, I could see her be the only QoD that survives.

      Of the three Queens of Darkness, Maleficent is the most likely to be truly redeemed. Disney even redeemed her, and would probably prefer if OUaT dos the same. While she does practice the Dark Arts, I doubt Maleficent will even be viewed as a villain is the flashbacks.... the villain title will be given to King Stefan.

      I hope the true villain is the Queen. The original Sleeping Beauty (let's call her Briar Rose for simplicity's sake, since I forgot the name of Disney's Queen...). After Frozen, if they replicated "Maleficent" for 4B, I think that would fall flat since the theater version was so gorgeous (it's Angelina Jolie's best-selling movie to date, I believe...) so I would much rather have Briar Rose be the villain, which made Maleficent come after her, then her daughter, since Aurora must've done something to piss her off, too.

      But yeah, Maleficent is the most likely of the Queens of Darkness to be redeemed. Ironically, none of them are queens. Cruella's a fashion designer, Ursula's a sea witch and Maleficent is a fairy LOL Seems like Ursula is now being Once-ified as a Sea Princess/Goddess, Maleficent is now a witch and Cruella is a... Cruella is a... ?

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    • Kncooper wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Mal is smiling too much. Isn't she supposed to be the villain of this arc? LOL I kind of have hopes that she'll keep her semi-redemption that we've seen in the franchise up to now and that she'll only be evil in flashbacks.

      In fact, since Maleficent has seemed semi-redeemed and she is Regina's only friend from the EF, I could see her be the only QoD that survives.

      Of the three Queens of Darkness, Maleficent is the most likely to be truly redeemed. Disney even redeemed her, and would probably prefer if OUaT dos the same. While she does practice the Dark Arts, I doubt Maleficent will even be viewed as a villain is the flashbacks.... the villain title will be given to King Stefan.
      oh god i hope they don't do the plot of Maleficent.

      They shouldn't do the plot of Maleficent, and if they do do anything related to it, it is because they had it planned that way before the movie came out. Remember Once had mythology for Maleficent since episode 2 of the first season, they just haven't been able to show it yet due to Kristen's commitments to other shows like True Blood. Now that she is free we are getting the backstory they have had in their heads for several years.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Mal is smiling too much. Isn't she supposed to be the villain of this arc? LOL I kind of have hopes that she'll keep her semi-redemption that we've seen in the franchise up to now and that she'll only be evil in flashbacks.

      In fact, since Maleficent has seemed semi-redeemed and she is Regina's only friend from the EF, I could see her be the only QoD that survives.

      Of the three Queens of Darkness, Maleficent is the most likely to be truly redeemed. Disney even redeemed her, and would probably prefer if OUaT dos the same. While she does practice the Dark Arts, I doubt Maleficent will even be viewed as a villain is the flashbacks.... the villain title will be given to King Stefan.
      I hope the true villain is the Queen. The original Sleeping Beauty (let's call her Briar Rose for simplicity's sake, since I forgot the name of Disney's Queen...). After Frozen, if they replicated "Maleficent" for 4B, I think that would fall flat since the theater version was so gorgeous (it's Angelina Jolie's best-selling movie to date, I believe...) so I would much rather have Briar Rose be the villain, which made Maleficent come after her, then her daughter, since Aurora must've done something to piss her off, too.

      But yeah, Maleficent is the most likely of the Queens of Darkness to be redeemed. Ironically, none of them are queens. Cruella's a fashion designer, Ursula's a sea witch and Maleficent is a fairy LOL Seems like Ursula is now being Once-ified as a Sea Princess/Goddess, Maleficent is now a witch and Cruella is a... Cruella is a... ?

      All signs point to Cruella being a skinwalker.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Mal is smiling too much. Isn't she supposed to be the villain of this arc? LOL I kind of have hopes that she'll keep her semi-redemption that we've seen in the franchise up to now and that she'll only be evil in flashbacks.

      In fact, since Maleficent has seemed semi-redeemed and she is Regina's only friend from the EF, I could see her be the only QoD that survives.

      Of the three Queens of Darkness, Maleficent is the most likely to be truly redeemed. Disney even redeemed her, and would probably prefer if OUaT dos the same. While she does practice the Dark Arts, I doubt Maleficent will even be viewed as a villain is the flashbacks.... the villain title will be given to King Stefan.
      I hope the true villain is the Queen. The original Sleeping Beauty (let's call her Briar Rose for simplicity's sake, since I forgot the name of Disney's Queen...). After Frozen, if they replicated "Maleficent" for 4B, I think that would fall flat since the theater version was so gorgeous (it's Angelina Jolie's best-selling movie to date, I believe...) so I would much rather have Briar Rose be the villain, which made Maleficent come after her, then her daughter, since Aurora must've done something to piss her off, too.

      But yeah, Maleficent is the most likely of the Queens of Darkness to be redeemed. Ironically, none of them are queens. Cruella's a fashion designer, Ursula's a sea witch and Maleficent is a fairy LOL Seems like Ursula is now being Once-ified as a Sea Princess/Goddess, Maleficent is now a witch and Cruella is a... Cruella is a... ?

      All signs point to Cruella being a skinwalker.

      YES! Glad somebody else is seeing/saying it! I made an argument for this awhile back.... and it would be awesome if she really turned out to be one.

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    • Fragile Daydreamer wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Mal is smiling too much. Isn't she supposed to be the villain of this arc? LOL I kind of have hopes that she'll keep her semi-redemption that we've seen in the franchise up to now and that she'll only be evil in flashbacks.

      In fact, since Maleficent has seemed semi-redeemed and she is Regina's only friend from the EF, I could see her be the only QoD that survives.

      Of the three Queens of Darkness, Maleficent is the most likely to be truly redeemed. Disney even redeemed her, and would probably prefer if OUaT dos the same. While she does practice the Dark Arts, I doubt Maleficent will even be viewed as a villain is the flashbacks.... the villain title will be given to King Stefan.
      I hope the true villain is the Queen. The original Sleeping Beauty (let's call her Briar Rose for simplicity's sake, since I forgot the name of Disney's Queen...). After Frozen, if they replicated "Maleficent" for 4B, I think that would fall flat since the theater version was so gorgeous (it's Angelina Jolie's best-selling movie to date, I believe...) so I would much rather have Briar Rose be the villain, which made Maleficent come after her, then her daughter, since Aurora must've done something to piss her off, too.

      But yeah, Maleficent is the most likely of the Queens of Darkness to be redeemed. Ironically, none of them are queens. Cruella's a fashion designer, Ursula's a sea witch and Maleficent is a fairy LOL Seems like Ursula is now being Once-ified as a Sea Princess/Goddess, Maleficent is now a witch and Cruella is a... Cruella is a... ?

      All signs point to Cruella being a skinwalker.
      YES! Glad somebody else is seeing/saying it! I made an argument for this awhile back.... and it would be awesome if she really turned out to be one.

      I'm not the only person besides you who thinks so either. Several people on various threads have been discussing this as a very real and quite interesting possiblily.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Fragile Daydreamer wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Mal is smiling too much. Isn't she supposed to be the villain of this arc? LOL I kind of have hopes that she'll keep her semi-redemption that we've seen in the franchise up to now and that she'll only be evil in flashbacks.

      In fact, since Maleficent has seemed semi-redeemed and she is Regina's only friend from the EF, I could see her be the only QoD that survives.

      Of the three Queens of Darkness, Maleficent is the most likely to be truly redeemed. Disney even redeemed her, and would probably prefer if OUaT dos the same. While she does practice the Dark Arts, I doubt Maleficent will even be viewed as a villain is the flashbacks.... the villain title will be given to King Stefan.
      I hope the true villain is the Queen. The original Sleeping Beauty (let's call her Briar Rose for simplicity's sake, since I forgot the name of Disney's Queen...). After Frozen, if they replicated "Maleficent" for 4B, I think that would fall flat since the theater version was so gorgeous (it's Angelina Jolie's best-selling movie to date, I believe...) so I would much rather have Briar Rose be the villain, which made Maleficent come after her, then her daughter, since Aurora must've done something to piss her off, too.

      But yeah, Maleficent is the most likely of the Queens of Darkness to be redeemed. Ironically, none of them are queens. Cruella's a fashion designer, Ursula's a sea witch and Maleficent is a fairy LOL Seems like Ursula is now being Once-ified as a Sea Princess/Goddess, Maleficent is now a witch and Cruella is a... Cruella is a... ?

      All signs point to Cruella being a skinwalker.
      YES! Glad somebody else is seeing/saying it! I made an argument for this awhile back.... and it would be awesome if she really turned out to be one.
      I'm not the only person besides you who thinks so either. Several people on various threads have been discussing this as a very real and quite interesting possiblily.

      Yeah, I know. It's just always fun to find another person who sees the same possibilities. 

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    • I also want Mal redeemed and the only one of the QoD who should survive, though I also want her evil for this arc, she is supposed to be the leader of the gang.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      They shouldn't do the plot of Maleficent, and if they do do anything related to it, it is because they had it planned that way before the movie came out. Remember Once had mythology for Maleficent since episode 2 of the first season, they just haven't been able to show it yet due to Kristen's commitments to other shows like True Blood. Now that she is free we are getting the backstory they have had in their heads for several years.

      Maleficent was in production before OUaT premiered, and many people already know what the plotline would be. One cannot use what was said in 1.02, as proof of the mythology. Did you know, that Mary Margaret was originally written to be a nun? The writers had to put a joke about it in 1.03, because the character had been marketed that way. 

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote: I also want Mal redeemed and the only one of the QoD who should survive, though I also want her evil for this arc, she is supposed to be the leader of the gang.

      I actually don't think Mal is the leader. I sort of think it's Cruella, or a partnership between all three. I want all of them to survive since none should necessarily die. Mal died too many times so far. Ursula is a goddess, and by nature shouldn't die. Cruella can just go to the asylum and everyone's happy.

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    • Eskaver wrote: Cruella can just go to the asylum and everyone's happy.

      LOL XD.

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    • I wouldn't be.

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    • Actually, having Stefan be a "villian" would not be a bad idea.  Going back to the original material, it was rather dark, with the king, shall we say, taking advantage of the Sleeping beauty. Not that I would want to see them go that far, but twisting Stefan to a villian would not be a stretch at all, and would not necessarily have anything to do with the recent movie.

      And I agree that it might be nice to keep all the Queens of Darkness around. and have at least 2 sets of villianous groups. (one led by Rumple, another led by Cruella). Let Ursula be a free agent between the 2 groups. and let Mal become friends with Regina and Emma, joining the Nevengers.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Actually, having Stefan be a "villian" would not be a bad idea.  Going back to the original material, it was rather dark, with the king, shall we say, taking advantage of the Sleeping beauty. Not that I would want to see them go that far, but twisting Stefan to a villian would not be a stretch at all, and would not necessarily have anything to do with the recent movie.

      You are 100% correct.... the origins of the Sleeping Beauty fairytale were incredibly dark, due to the King's intentions. It would not surprise me if that is how Linda Woolverton, and Angelina Jolie came up with the premise for the backstory in Maleficent. 

      OUaT already paid tribute to the 1959 film. It was Prince Phillip who woke Aurora, with True Love's Kiss. Maleficent was able to transform into a dragon. Those things were changed, in the 2014 film. Having King Stefan be a villain, does not mean OUaT is adapting Maleficent. If anything they will be combining both versions, while adding in a few unique twists. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:

      They shouldn't do the plot of Maleficent, and if they do do anything related to it, it is because they had it planned that way before the movie came out. Remember Once had mythology for Maleficent since episode 2 of the first season, they just haven't been able to show it yet due to Kristen's commitments to other shows like True Blood. Now that she is free we are getting the backstory they have had in their heads for several years.

      Maleficent was in production before OUaT premiered, and many people already know what the plotline would be. One cannot use what was said in 1.02, as proof of the mythology. Did you know, that Mary Margaret was originally written to be a nun? The writers had to put a joke about it in 1.03, because the character had been marketed that way. 

      It may have been, but scripts for unreleased movies are usually a closely guarded secret, I doubt Adam and Eddy were allowed to read it, lol. And yes, lots of things changed from the planning stages and original pilot script: Charming isn't dead in the present day, Graham was not Sherlock Holmes, etc. That's way different than what was actually shown in an episode though. I just highly doubt given what we've already seen, that OUAT will follow the plot of Maleficent.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Actually, having Stefan be a "villian" would not be a bad idea.  Going back to the original material, it was rather dark, with the king, shall we say, taking advantage of the Sleeping beauty. Not that I would want to see them go that far, but twisting Stefan to a villian would not be a stretch at all, and would not necessarily have anything to do with the recent movie.

      And I agree that it might be nice to keep all the Queens of Darkness around. and have at least 2 sets of villianous groups. (one led by Rumple, another led by Cruella). Let Ursula be a free agent between the 2 groups. and let Mal become friends with Regina and Emma, joining the Nevengers.

      Well the actor cast to be Stefan is known for portraying shady characters and he even kind of looks shady. If he's not the villain, he's certainly not... pardon the pun, snow white in all of this.

      But I doubt Maleficent will even be partially adapted, since A&E were asked about it some months ago after Kristin's return was announced and they said they were doing something different.

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    • Personally I'd rather the original sleeping beauty's father be the evil stefan, if they do make stefan shady. i'd rather it be Aurora's grandfather than her father. and if they do make Stefan shady i hope they do it in away different from Maleficent, because as good as that film was it bothered me that the sweet father from the 50s film became so nasty in the 2014 film.

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    • http://tvline.com/2015/01/23/once-upon-a-time-emma-hook-heart-spoilers/

      It says, this time Hook will have to protect Emma's heart... what does that mean? Obviously he's not talking about the real heart because Emma's can't be ripped off. I hope it doesn't hint at a possible triangle because I'm sick of those.

      http://www.etonline.com/tv/156743_exclusive_once_upon_a_time_scoop_get_to_know_the_queens_of_darkness/

      I'm not sure if this article has new info, the only thing I found is the confirmation that Maleficent is evil.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      http://tvline.com/2015/01/23/once-upon-a-time-emma-hook-heart-spoilers/

      It says, this time Hook will have to protect Emma's heart... what does that mean? Obviously he's not talking about the real heart because Emma's can't be ripped off. I hope it doesn't hint at a possible triangle because I'm sick of those.

      http://www.etonline.com/tv/156743_exclusive_once_upon_a_time_scoop_get_to_know_the_queens_of_darkness/

      I'm not sure if this article has new info, the only thing I found is the confirmation that Maleficent is evil.

      Yeah, nothing too much new, but we did get confirmation they are not following the Maleficent movie, so I doubt a Mal and Stefan romance. Also, more confirmation that Maleficent, Ursula, and Cruella are all having original OUAT takes on their characters, and that we will see alot more of our mains and recurring than we did in 4A. The article that it linked to about the major pairings that they posted a few weeks ago, also confirms that Rumbelle, Outlaw Queen, Captain Swan, and Snowing are all still very much active pairings, which I think is interesting, at least for Rumbelle and Outlaw Queen.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      http://tvline.com/2015/01/23/once-upon-a-time-emma-hook-heart-spoilers/

      It says, this time Hook will have to protect Emma's heart... what does that mean? Obviously he's not talking about the real heart because Emma's can't be ripped off. I hope it doesn't hint at a possible triangle because I'm sick of those.

      http://www.etonline.com/tv/156743_exclusive_once_upon_a_time_scoop_get_to_know_the_queens_of_darkness/

      I'm not sure if this article has new info, the only thing I found is the confirmation that Maleficent is evil.

      August is coming back. Graham and Neal are dead while Walsh is M.I.A. (and probably never coming back since he was pretty much a plot device like Greg/Owen and Tamara)... So... Hook's only competition is an 8 year old child lol

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Well the actor cast to be Stefan is known for portraying shady characters and he even kind of looks shady. If he's not the villain, he's certainly not... pardon the pun, snow white in all of this.

      But I doubt Maleficent will even be partially adapted, since A&E were asked about it some months ago after Kristin's return was announced and they said they were doing something different.

      That is right.... Sebastian Roche is known for playing shady, and villainous characters. There is no way OUaT's King Stefan, is going to be that respectable man from the animated film. He does not have to cut off Maleficent's wings on the show.... heck, was it ever confirmed if she was a fairy? Having Maleficent and King Stefan as ex-lovers, would not be ripping off the Angelina Jolie film. As Regina's line in 1.02 implied, that Maleficent's heart was broken by someone. 

      Aurora had to learn how to be shady, from someone.... who better than her daddy dearest?

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      http://tvline.com/2015/01/23/once-upon-a-time-emma-hook-heart-spoilers/

      It says, this time Hook will have to protect Emma's heart... what does that mean? Obviously he's not talking about the real heart because Emma's can't be ripped off. I hope it doesn't hint at a possible triangle because I'm sick of those.

      http://www.etonline.com/tv/156743_exclusive_once_upon_a_time_scoop_get_to_know_the_queens_of_darkness/

      I'm not sure if this article has new info, the only thing I found is the confirmation that Maleficent is evil.

      August is coming back. Graham and Neal are dead while Walsh is M.I.A. (and probably never coming back since he was pretty much a plot device like Greg/Owen and Tamara)... So... Hook's only competition is an 8 year old child lol

      Though I don't ship, I find that at a tragic loss to lack any valid competition. Walsh seemed like a good candidate now that he's not controlled by Zelena. Oh well...

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    • Quick question: If Original Sleeping Beauty(Aurora's mom) is not forgotten, so would that mean she married Stefan, since Aurora married Phillip?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Well the actor cast to be Stefan is known for portraying shady characters and he even kind of looks shady. If he's not the villain, he's certainly not... pardon the pun, snow white in all of this.

      But I doubt Maleficent will even be partially adapted, since A&E were asked about it some months ago after Kristin's return was announced and they said they were doing something different.

      That is right.... Sebastian Roche is known for playing shady, and villainous characters. There is no way OUaT's King Stefan, is going to be that respectable man from the animated film. He does not have to cut off Maleficent's wings on the show.... heck, was it ever confirmed if she was a fairy? Having Maleficent and King Stefan as ex-lovers, would not be ripping off the Angelina Jolie film. As Regina's line in 1.02 implied, that Maleficent's heart was broken by someone. 

      Aurora had to learn how to be shady, from someone.... who better than her daddy dearest?

      I think it was confirmed by someone from the movie's crew that Angelina's Maleficent was the child of a fairy and a human, which is why she looked different from the (renamed) Flora, Fauna and Merryweather. And I wouldn't mind if they did they "Stefan broke Maleficent's heart" storyline, as long as it's different from the Angelina movie.

      And @Eskaver I was fully expecting Walsh to show up in Storybrooke at some point since he seemed to be the head monkey in Zelena's army (not to mention, he's also the one that Zelena sent after Regina and Snow. He has a scar in the same place Robin shot the first monkey. He might even be the monkey Regina gave to Roland.) and there's no evidence that points towards any flying monkey dying when they turned into dust (I get that it's a family show, but we've had violent, bloody deaths before, why should CGI monkeys be any different). Someone tweet a Once writer to confirm his death tbh

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    • So basically the only viable love interest for Emma besides Hook at the moment is Roland's stuffed monkey toy.

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    • WinterWoodsGal wrote:
      So basically the only viable love interest for Emma besides Hook at the moment is Roland's stuffed monkey toy.

      Does Roland still have the monkey toy? 'Cause I just thought Zelena used magic to summon him, realized he was a stuffed monkey, restored him and then sent him to the LWM to seduce Emma. But if Roland still has the monkey toy, then it's another monkey entirely. Walsh was here for 8 months.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      WinterWoodsGal wrote:
      So basically the only viable love interest for Emma besides Hook at the moment is Roland's stuffed monkey toy.
      Does Roland still have the monkey toy? 'Cause I just thought Zelena used magic to summon him, realized he was a stuffed monkey, restored him and then sent him to the LWM to seduce Emma. But if Roland still has the monkey toy, then it's another monkey entirely. Walsh was here for 8 months.

      Sorry I was tired as, I keep thinking he was turned into a monkey toy after dating Emma but obviously not.

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    • https://twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/559421083187552256

      First relevant script-tease, okay... what if we will actually be seeing various flashbacks to Storybrooke in season 1? They did say that in an interview, I thought they meant the time of the season 1 flashbacks in the EF, but this might explain August's presence, and reveal more about Maleficent during the first curse.

      Though, this is just speculation based on the fact we will see Mary Margaret at school. Also, no idea how the multiple flashbacks EF & Storybrooke S1 would happen in the same episodes, it'd be kinda confusing for the audience.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Well the actor cast to be Stefan is known for portraying shady characters and he even kind of looks shady. If he's not the villain, he's certainly not... pardon the pun, snow white in all of this.

      But I doubt Maleficent will even be partially adapted, since A&E were asked about it some months ago after Kristin's return was announced and they said they were doing something different.

      That is right.... Sebastian Roche is known for playing shady, and villainous characters. There is no way OUaT's King Stefan, is going to be that respectable man from the animated film. He does not have to cut off Maleficent's wings on the show.... heck, was it ever confirmed if she was a fairy? Having Maleficent and King Stefan as ex-lovers, would not be ripping off the Angelina Jolie film. As Regina's line in 1.02 implied, that Maleficent's heart was broken by someone. 

      Aurora had to learn how to be shady, from someone.... who better than her daddy dearest?

      While I get actors generally have types of characters they play, I don't think it's fair to assume that Stefan is going to be bad, just based on the types of characters the actor has played in the past. Actors, by definition, should be able to play any kind of role. I'm not saying Stefan will be as sqeaky clean as the Disney animated version, but I don't think he'll be a major antagoinst as he was in the Maleficent movie either.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Well the actor cast to be Stefan is known for portraying shady characters and he even kind of looks shady. If he's not the villain, he's certainly not... pardon the pun, snow white in all of this.

      But I doubt Maleficent will even be partially adapted, since A&E were asked about it some months ago after Kristin's return was announced and they said they were doing something different.

      That is right.... Sebastian Roche is known for playing shady, and villainous characters. There is no way OUaT's King Stefan, is going to be that respectable man from the animated film. He does not have to cut off Maleficent's wings on the show.... heck, was it ever confirmed if she was a fairy? Having Maleficent and King Stefan as ex-lovers, would not be ripping off the Angelina Jolie film. As Regina's line in 1.02 implied, that Maleficent's heart was broken by someone. 

      Aurora had to learn how to be shady, from someone.... who better than her daddy dearest?

      While I get actors generally have types of characters they play, I don't think it's fair to assume that Stefan is going to be bad, just based on the types of characters the actor has played in the past. Actors, by definition, should be able to play any kind of role. I'm not saying Stefan will be as sqeaky clean as the Disney animated version, but I don't think he'll be a major antagoinst as he was in the Maleficent movie either.

      Well, unfortunately, the sad truth about Hollywood is that actors typically get typecast (they do one kind of character so well, they always get cast to portray those kinds of characters), so chances are he will be the villain of Maleficent's story.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Well, unfortunately, the sad truth about Hollywood is that actors typically get typecast (they do one kind of character so well, they always get cast to portray those kinds of characters), so chances are he will be the villain of Maleficent's story.

      Exactly.... 

      Most of the OUaT actors, especially the guest stars, have been typecast. JoAnna Garcia-Swisher has great comedic timing, and is known for playing spunky characters. Which, made her the the perfect choice for Ariel. Sarah Bolger's most famous role was Mary Tudor, on The Tudors. So, it should come as no surprise that she was cast as a princess. Jamie Chung did several action/martial arts roles, before being cast as Mulan. 

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    • Okay haven't read anything on here but I just wanted to get this out.

      Who is hoping to see Ursula's Garden? Because I think they can do something very creative with that. All them souls...

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote: Okay haven't read anything on here but I just wanted to get this out.

      Who is hoping to see Ursula's Garden? Because I think they can do something very creative with that. All them souls...

      That'll be interesting since we had many things concerning souls, hearts, and shadows and forms of life. It'll be interesting if Ursula had Prince Phillip's soul, though we might never know.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      DarKingdomHearts wrote: Okay haven't read anything on here but I just wanted to get this out.

      Who is hoping to see Ursula's Garden? Because I think they can do something very creative with that. All them souls...

      That'll be interesting since we had many things concerning souls, hearts, and shadows and forms of life. It'll be interesting if Ursula had Prince Phillip's soul, though we might never know.

      That might be a perfect idea. Because we never got to know how Mulan and Aurora got Phillips soul back so they could make a flashback episode of them confronting Ursula. And I personally want to see Mulan back so I support this.

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    • Eskaver wrote: That'll be interesting since we had many things concerning souls, hearts, and shadows and forms of life. It'll be interesting if Ursula had Prince Phillip's soul, though we might never know.

      It is possible.... but Ursula appeared to be living in New York for a while.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      Okay haven't read anything on here but I just wanted to get this out.

      Who is hoping to see Ursula's Garden? Because I think they can do something very creative with that. All them souls...

      Since Once is going to do the "tragic anti-hero" spin on all three QoD, I wouldn't be surprised if her dad ended up as one of those things (as opposed to Triton in the Disney movie).

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:

      That might be a perfect idea. Because we never got to know how Mulan and Aurora got Phillips soul back so they could make a flashback episode of them confronting Ursula. And I personally want to see Mulan back so I support this.


      Maybe Aurora and Mulan rescued Phillip with the help of the Sorcerer? :)

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    • Scripttease: https://twitter.com/adamhorowitzla/status/560847610370482176

      Belle meets Rumple again.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Scripttease: https://twitter.com/adamhorowitzla/status/560847610370482176

      Belle meets Rumple again.

      Maybe, but I am not sure. I never really saw Gold or Rumple as having much of a Temper problem.

      I guess it would partially depend on whether this is flashback Belle or Thoroughly Modern Belle. If it is Flashback, then it most likely is Rumple (I doubt she would be that sassy to any of Rumple's visitors).  If it is Modern, then I lean more towards a playful jibe at Regina (which will immediately set up one of the infamous snarky comebacks that Regina is known for.), or maybe Grumpy (she has just enough of a past with Grumpy as Dreamy to pull it off).

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    • Now that I think about it, it could be Hook. Or Regina, as you said.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Now that I think about it, it could be Hook. Or Regina, as you said.

      It would be really funny, if Belle says that to Emma. Though, Regina or Hook are the most likely candidates.... bring on their sassy one-liners!!!!

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      Scripttease: https://twitter.com/adamhorowitzla/status/560847610370482176

      Belle meets Rumple again.


      I sort of think she says it to one of the QOD.  Afterall, they weren't so nice to her back in they...

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    • Based on the BTS pictures I've seen for 4x12, it looks like Regina and Emma are using there combined magic to hold off Maleficent (in her dragon form) from attacking (kinda like the way they held back the Ice Viking in 4x05). The BTS pic. shows Emma and Regina holding their hands up while looking up with Belle standing next to them and MM and Hook behind them. So maybe Belle is saying it to Maleficent. 

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    • Well, that would be a shame if she says it to the Dragon Maleficent.  She can't very well reply with a sassy one-liner (at least not in dragon form).

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Well, that would be a shame if she says it to the Dragon Maleficent.  She can't very well reply with a sassy one-liner (at least not in dragon form).

      But she can reply by burning everyone to a crisp.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Well, that would be a shame if she says it to the Dragon Maleficent.  She can't very well reply with a sassy one-liner (at least not in dragon form).
      But she can reply by burning everyone to a crisp.

      True, but that's not really sassy.  I'm sure the the Human (or Fairy?) form of Maleficent is equal to Regina in terms of sassy comments.  We already know that Cruella has what it takes to deliver a good one liner.

      Burning everyone to a crisp is, as Killian would say, bad form.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:

      True, but that's not really sassy.  I'm sure the the Human (or Fairy?) form of Maleficent is equal to Regina in terms of sassy comments.  We already know that Cruella has what it takes to deliver a good one liner.

      Burning everyone to a crisp is, as Killian would say, bad form.

      This is going to be great. Regina, Maleficent, Cruella, and Will the King of Sass are all going to be in the same episode.

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    • Maleficent didn't sound sassy in the previous episodes, probably the only QoD who isn't like that, but english isn't my native language, so perhaps I missed some of her lines? Could be Cruella.

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    • http://www.etonline.com/tv/156743_exclusive_once_upon_a_time_scoop_get_to_know_the_queens_of_darkness/

      It says in the last paragraph that the villains will have more connections with all the people that have been here from the beginning, and that there will be a lot more focus on the core characters that have been there since the beginning.

      So I'm really looking forward to see more of Ruby, Blue, Archie, August, Jefferson (prob not), Whale (prob not), Sidney and Mulan.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      http://www.etonline.com/tv/156743_exclusive_once_upon_a_time_scoop_get_to_know_the_queens_of_darkness/

      It says in the last paragraph that the villains will have more connections with all the people that have been here from the beginning, and that there will be a lot more focus on the core characters that have been there since the beginning.

      So I'm really looking forward to see more of Ruby, Blue, Archie, August, Jefferson (prob not), Whale (prob not), Sidney and Mulan.

      Blue, Archie and August? Definitely, the first two are confirmed and Archie's always somewhere. Sidney? Probably, through Evil Queen flashbacks. Mulan? Probably, through Maleficent flashbacks with Phillip. The only ones I'm iffy on are Jefferson (he's busy filming the Marvel movies, which is good for him but sucks for us), Whale (he's on another show which also films in Steveston, so we might get him) and Ruby (Meghan hasn't even been seen since the season 3 finale, and I don't think I want her back if she's only going to be window dressing. I want Red to actively do something.)

      Aside from Keegan (Blue) and Eion (August), are any of the other characters confirmed? Or are their actors currently free? 'Cause that greatly increases the chances of a return.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      http://www.etonline.com/tv/156743_exclusive_once_upon_a_time_scoop_get_to_know_the_queens_of_darkness/

      It says in the last paragraph that the villains will have more connections with all the people that have been here from the beginning, and that there will be a lot more focus on the core characters that have been there since the beginning.

      So I'm really looking forward to see more of Ruby, Blue, Archie, August, Jefferson (prob not), Whale (prob not), Sidney and Mulan.

      Blue, Archie and August? Definitely, the first two are confirmed and Archie's always somewhere. Sidney? Probably, through Evil Queen flashbacks. Mulan? Probably, through Maleficent flashbacks with Phillip. The only ones I'm iffy on are Jefferson (he's busy filming the Marvel movies, which is good for him but sucks for us), Whale (he's on another show which also films in Steveston, so we might get him) and Ruby (Meghan hasn't even been seen since the season 3 finale, and I don't think I want her back if she's only going to be window dressing. I want Red to actively do something.)

      Aside from Keegan (Blue) and Eion (August), are any of the other characters confirmed? Or are their actors currently free? 'Cause that greatly increases the chances of a return.

      We know that the fairies are likely to be released. And whenever they need a powerful magic being for a false death, she's there lol.

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    • David Anders twitted about coming back this season, but I haven't heard of him on set.

      Ruby was mentioned in an article, but I don't know if it counts as a confirmation, most likely not: http://www.zap2it.com/blogs/once_upon_a_time_snow_white_prince_charming_villains_not_heroes_eddie_kitsis_adam_horowitz-2014-12

      Actually, I don't know if that part about Ruby was said by A & E, or just by Zap2it, I'd say the latter.

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    • I would like to see her back in 4B for maybe 1,2 episodes in which she isn't just that girl in the distance but actually helps progress the plot. And that she becomes close to regular in S5. I bet they could do something nice with her if S5 is about Camelot.

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    • Actually, There are enough Regular cast characters.  While I would love to see Meghan reprise Ruby, I want it done where she can shine, because that character has so much potential.

      I have ideas of what I would like to see, but those belong on a different thread.

      I'm still curious to see how Gold and TQOD get back to storybrooke, and what causes Robin to return as well.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      I would like to see her back in 4B for maybe 1,2 episodes in which she isn't just that girl in the distance but actually helps progress the plot. And that she becomes close to regular in S5. I bet they could do something nice with her if S5 is about Camelot.

      She was a regular in season 1 (IDK if she was credited as one, but she showed up enough to be one), and she was a main cast member in season 2, and all but disappeared by 2B... -_- The problem isn't what she's credited as, it's how they use her. And generally, they haven't used her well...

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      I would like to see her back in 4B for maybe 1,2 episodes in which she isn't just that girl in the distance but actually helps progress the plot. And that she becomes close to regular in S5. I bet they could do something nice with her if S5 is about Camelot.
      She was a regular in season 1 (IDK if she was credited as one, but she showed up enough to be one), and she was a main cast member in season 2, and all but disappeared by 2B... -_- The problem isn't what she's credited as, it's how they use her. And generally, they haven't used her well...

      She was in a lot of S1 episodes but basically as a background character (most of the time), then she was regular in season 2, but stopped appearing in the last 5 episodes where she was still credited.

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    • http://storybrookemirror.tumblr.com/post/110070650661/in-the-still-released-by-tvline-rumple-beeging-on

      Rumple doesn't get much respect from Ursula. What do you think about this?

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    • It looked like at the end of 4x11 that Ursula partly respected Rumple and was willing to join him so to me it looks like he is being a master manipulater as always and it somehow tricking Ursula with his "begging."

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    • I love it! The Dark One is down on his knees before a goddess.

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    • Rumple on his knees? So, this is what a man who always wins looks like? lol

      I bet he's just desperately manipulating Ursula. Poor our goddess. 

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    • 4x18 could be about Cruella: https://twitter.com/katmtan/status/563858673881972738

      As they're saying... yeah, it does fit with what Victoria said a couple of days ago to Adam on twitter: "thank you, this is the best script of my career!"

      But then who's the protagonist of ep. 4x16? Everybody thought it was Cruella. One thing we about it... is that Snow was seen in her EF clothes, probably bandit Snow.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:
      4x18 could be about Cruella: https://twitter.com/katmtan/status/563858673881972738

      As they're saying... yeah, it does fit with what Victoria said a couple of days ago to Adam on twitter: "thank you, this is the best script of my career!"

      But then who's the protagonist of ep. 4x16? Everybody thought it was Cruella. One thing we about it... is that Snow was seen in her EF clothes, probably bandit Snow.

      416 could still feature Cruella, but maybe not be Cruella's tragic backstory. That is probably 418.

      So preliminary we have:

      412: Rumple and QoD

      413: Not sure

      414: Maleficent and Regina

      415: Ursula, Ariel, and (maybe) Hook

      416: Snow, Charming, and (maybe) Cruella

      417: Robin and company, plus Zelena

      418: Cruella

      Which leaves 419, 420, 421, and 422. Who still needs episode flashbacks:

      - Maleficent and Leah (the original sleeping beauty)

      - Will, with Ana and Cinderella if we're lucky

      - The Sorcerer (who is hopefully Merlin), it is possible we only see him in present day and don't get flashbacks till 5A though

      So that could be most of the rest of the season. And I'm sure the end of 4B will hint where we are going/who we are seeing in 5A, so that will have to be worked in somehow.

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    • 413 is confirmed to be about Snow and Charming, hence the ambiguity of ep 416. And those other episodes about Ursula and Robin, they're just about them, the other characters... as tv would say, they are "featuring".

      Also, considering we are gonna get a LOT of flashback with Snow in the EF, and in Storybrooke during season 1, shouldn't Ruby appear? It was that period when she and Snow were close, she appeared even during the S3 finale. And Meghan Ory isn't that busy...

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    • I hope that Meghan Ory appears more in the second half, just let her return as recurring character and get her back to starring for the plot of season 5. If season 5 is going to be Camelot (and hopefully go there as well) then I think Ruby can be given some importance again.

      Also not to bash Ginnifer or any other post-pregnant women but I hope she has lost that pregnancy weight this half.

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    • Yeah, it should be an interesting half season, we have alot of people and plot to cover in 11 episodes.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      416 could still feature Cruella, but maybe not be Cruella's tragic backstory. That is probably 418.

      So preliminary we have:

      412: Rumple and QoD

      413: Not sure

      414: Maleficent and Regina

      415: Ursula, Ariel, and (maybe) Hook

      416: Snow, Charming, and (maybe) Cruella

      417: Robin and company, plus Zelena

      418: Cruella

      Which leaves 419, 420, 421, and 422. Who still needs episode flashbacks:

      - Maleficent and Leah (the original sleeping beauty)

      - Will, with Ana and Cinderella if we're lucky

      - The Sorcerer (who is hopefully Merlin), it is possible we only see him in present day and don't get flashbacks till 5A though

      So that could be most of the rest of the season. And I'm sure the end of 4B will hint where we are going/who we are seeing in 5A, so that will have to be worked in somehow.


      413 is likely about Snowing and Cruella or maybe all of the QoDs

      416 I think it's about the early days of the Dark Curse. Remember Adam posted a script containing the old scene of Mary Margaret on twitter just weeks ago?

      418 maybe it's a Cruella ep. Victoria mentioned "the best script she had" but Idk it's 417 or 418, because 417 seems to be very surprising, as Zelena returns and Scott Nimefro said that there's sth outrageous that makes the production team aflutter

      419 and 420 maybe about Will, Ana and what happened in Wonderland; and about Maleficent and the original Sleeping Beauty

      421 I have a crazy theory that every fairytale person in the LWM connected to each other for a reason (and that's the Sorcerer), and we will see the Swan family, Lily or some other LWM stuffs

      422 I think it's about Rumple's trip to Camelot. They mentioned it purposedly so I think that it's a mystery that we will discover right in this season

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    • I really hope to see an adult Lily in the second half as well, but wouldn't mind to build the suspense up for her till season 5 (like only show a shadow of her conversing with the Sorcerer) I think she is going to be very important to the plot somehow.

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    • Xtian MadHatter wrote:

      416 I think it's about the early days of the Dark Curse. Remember Adam posted a script containing the old scene of Mary Margaret on twitter just weeks ago?



      That scene with Mary Margaret is in 412 though, it could be a 1 scene flashback in that episode... uhm, there's too little info to speculate.

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    • All the things we KNOW about upcoming episodes:

      4.12 - How the QoD met/teamed up

      4.13 - Rumple comes back to Storybrooke (?) with the QoD, possibly when Maleficent gets revived?

      4.14 - How Mal met Regina. Aurora filmed, too. So we might get some Maleficent backstory here.

      4.15 - Ursula backstory. Ariel's back.

      4.16 - Snow and Charming backstory?

      4.17 - Robin Hood backstory, I'm sure of it.

      4.18 - ???

      4.19 - ???

      These next three are pure speculation, but following past trends:

      4.20 - Queens of Darkness are systematically killed off, with maybe Maleficent being the sole survivor. Maybe a weed joke?

      4.21 - Part one of the season finale, dealing with some life-threatening aftermath of killing Cruella and Ursula (LBR, killing a goddess has to have consequences)

      4.22 - Part two of the season finale, which will introduce either Hades as the next villain (Poseidon's brother AKA Ursula's uncle) or Camelot as the next arc. Maybe both?



      As for things that have been confirmed but their exact timing is unknown:

      - We're meeting the Sorceror.

      - We're meeting the Author (different person, it's confirmed)

      - Maleficent's backstory's with King Stefan (it's confirmed to be... "complicated")

      - Pinocchio's back (for whatever reason... IDC, I love August!)

      - Possibility of Jafar (or another male villain) being introduced into main Once.

      - Possibility of Anastasia being brough into Once.

      - Will/Knave's backstory.

      - Henry will take a greater focus (hopefully like in "That Still Small Voice" and the season 3 premiere)

      - Collette and Lilly might come back. MIGHT.

      - More fallout from Emma and Hook messing with the past. It was promised for 4A, but if it was done, it wasn't obvious so I'll just move it over to 4B lol

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      All the things we KNOW about upcoming episodes:

      4.12 - How the QoD met/teamed up

      4.13 - Rumple comes back to Storybrooke (?) with the QoD, possibly when Maleficent gets revived?

      The things you said about 413 are happening in 412 during the present, the backstory in 413 is likely about Snow and Charming. I also think the season finale will focus on the next arc, or the Sorcerer, or the Author, or some of those things together.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      As for things that have been confirmed but their exact timing is unknown:

      - We're meeting the Sorceror.

      - We're meeting the Author (different person, it's confirmed)


      Wait, when did anyone say the sorcerer and the author are not the same person. Last I saw Adam and Eddy were saying they may or may not be the same person.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      As for things that have been confirmed but their exact timing is unknown:

      - We're meeting the Sorceror.

      - We're meeting the Author (different person, it's confirmed)


      Wait, when did anyone say the sorcerer and the author are not the same person. Last I saw Adam and Eddy were saying they may or may not be the same person.

      Eddy and Adam confirmed the Author and Sorceror were different people in one of those Hot Seat interview thingies, I think. But I definitely read an article on storybrookemirror.tumblr.com where A&E said it.

      They also said the Sorceror is NOT Yen Sid, meaning it's most likely Merlin lol

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    • Which could lead to the Camelot Arc.

      I think we'll get some hints as to who the Author is in Enter the Dragon already because August appears in that episode and I somehow connect him with the Author.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      As for things that have been confirmed but their exact timing is unknown:

      - We're meeting the Sorceror.

      - We're meeting the Author (different person, it's confirmed)


      Wait, when did anyone say the sorcerer and the author are not the same person. Last I saw Adam and Eddy were saying they may or may not be the same person.
      Eddy and Adam confirmed the Author and Sorceror were different people in one of those Hot Seat interview thingies, I think. But I definitely read an article on storybrookemirror.tumblr.com where A&E said it.

      They also said the Sorceror is NOT Yen Sid, meaning it's most likely Merlin lol

      Okay, well, I haven't seen anything like that, and here is the article where they say they may or may not be the same person:

      http://www.ew.com/article/2014/12/15/once-upon-time-season4-spoilers-queens-darkness

      If you can find a link to an article that says they are definitly different people, I would like to see it.

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    • And if episode title's mean anything, then 4x18 (Sympathy for De VIl) is going to be the long awaited Cruella back story. So I would put this one in the Highlty probable just waiting for confirmation category, rather than the unknown category.

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    • Is it me or does 4B sounds like the most EXCITING season? All these characters coming back, so many stories. I can hardly contain my excitement.

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    • Nakis91 wrote:
      Is it me or does 4B sounds like the most EXCITING season? All these characters coming back, so many stories. I can hardly contain my excitement.

      I'm excited for various reasons:

      - There's a team of villains, led by Rumple

      - Maleficent returns after being ignored for various seasons

      - The main cast is back on the front scene after the Frozen arc

      - The quest for the Author becomes a main plot

      - So many returning guest stars

      - "can villains get their happy endings?"

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    • Who knows, maybe none of the villains will die and find out what their happy ending is in the first place. They might not even know what their happy ending holds.

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    • Cruella kidnaps Pongo, Regina follows her, Emma follows Regina and Henru, who's at school, grabs Paige's bike and rchases them all, unbeknownst to anyone.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote: Who knows, maybe none of the villains will die and find out what their happy ending is in the first place. They might not even know what their happy ending holds.

      I think it depends on their behavior, if they redeem themselves they are gonna get a happy ending, if they keep being evil they are gonna die, this seems to be a rule in the show. I only see Maleficent with this potential.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote:

      DarKingdomHearts wrote: Who knows, maybe none of the villains will die and find out what their happy ending is in the first place. They might not even know what their happy ending holds.

      I think it depends on their behavior, if they redeem themselves they are gonna get a happy ending, if they keep being evil they are gonna die, this seems to be a rule in the show. I only see Maleficent with this potential.

      Why? I guess, it's since she showed some caution towards the dark curse and wasn't in full out villainy (because she won in her story on Once, before the curse). I think all the villains have potential for redemption, since we know nothing of their backstories.

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    • Chameleon-Guy wrote: I only see Maleficent with this potential.

      Why is Maleficent the only Queen of Darkness with potential for redemption?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Chameleon-Guy wrote: I only see Maleficent with this potential.
      Why is Maleficent the only Queen of Darkness with potential for redemption?

      Because the three times she's shown up in main Once have been her fighting in self-defense, not actively hurting anyone:

      1x02 against Regina

      1x22 against Emma

      2x20 against Hook

      And then on Wonderland, she doesn't care that Robin Hood stole gold from her, all she wants is for Will to return the portal to Wonderland that he stole, which is highly dangerous. That doesn't sound like a villain, it sounds like a concerned aunt.

      She had already cursed Aurora and Phillip, her only enemies (we can assume Stefan and Leah are dead since there's only been one mention of either of them up to this point), so she had finally won and gotten her happy ending. There was no need for her to fight anyone.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Chameleon-Guy wrote: I only see Maleficent with this potential.
      Why is Maleficent the only Queen of Darkness with potential for redemption?

      Because the three times she's shown up in main Once have been her fighting in self-defense, not actively hurting anyone:

      1x02 against Regina

      1x22 against Emma

      2x20 against Hook

      And then on Wonderland, she doesn't care that Robin Hood stole gold from her, all she wants is for Will to return the portal to Wonderland that he stole, which is highly dangerous. That doesn't sound like a villain, it sounds like a concerned aunt.

      She had already cursed Aurora and Phillip, her only enemies (we can assume Stefan and Leah are dead since there's only been one mention of either of them up to this point), so she had finally won and gotten her happy ending. There was no need for her to fight anyone.

      Exactly! She won being a villain, which doesn't stop her from being one. Fighting self-defense doesn't mean you're not evil. Just mean you're defending yourself. She cares about the magic item, just like Rumple cares about magic items. Neither want gold. And both warn Robin Hood about the danger of a magic item. So, that means Rumple was concerned about Robin's well-being?! I think not!

      So far, we have a content villain, a supposedly benevolent goddess-witch, and a woman with that likes fur and gin. And somehow, the villain is has the most potential?! We know part of one's story and so since it's true, she's most redemptive...lol, I didn't know a villain winning means now she can become good.

      That's like saying after Regina cursed Snow, she was on the road to redemption, or that if she killed Snow she would have become good.

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    • I feel like they may have alluded to her being capable of redemption. Maleficent was Regina's friend, and they clearly cared for one another. Regina didn't kill her even at the height of her evil, and Maleficent seemed concerned about Regina's future with a hole in her heart. Everything could of course be seen in a different light, but I think we have been a bit preconditioned to root for Mal to be redeemed. I think that Kristin Bauer would be a great addition to the cast long-term, btw. Also, killing her again and again could become stale... I am hoping that they take it a different direction. 

      We don't know Mal's full backstory yet, so it is difficult to compare her to anyone quite yet. 

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    • From what we've seen she doesn't seem so evil, she has a couple of enemies who have (supposedly) done bad things to her. The other 2... we have yet to see them in full action, but Cruella has been described in interviews as the most evil of the team, and Ursula looks kind of like a bully, that's just my impression though.

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