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  • I've come to a slightly conflicting conclusion for a theory.

    Ages ago on the Dark Curse page, I added that it's implied that it only affects the land in which it is cast (Fairy Tale Land). However, as Arendelle appeared to be untouched by the Curse, I now believe that it's only the realm in which the Curse is cast (Enchanted Forest). This is further backed-up by the fact that Hook was able to outrun the curse before getting a Magic Bean to return to LWM. If it affected the whole of FTL, he wouldn't have been able to outrun the Curse and remain safe behind its boundary (I believe that this boundary is the territorial one that divides realms within worlds).

    However, a stone statue of Pabbie appears in SB, so does this mean that Arendelle was affected, but Ingrid's icy spell prevented Anna and the others from being affected (except the Valley of Living Rock where the Rock Trolls live)? The statue of Pabbie is the only think that I can find that doesn't support my theory, but what do you guys think? I'm not asking this to be approved for use, it's just my view.

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    • Actually, currently, the actual scope and spread of the Dark Curse is not known. It is shown that it only affected the Enchanted Forest. However, it is implied that other worlds in the Magical Land (like Wonderland, Oz, Neverland, Victorian England and etc) was affected too by the Dark Curse, but only in the time factor and the frozen in time state. This characters were not transported to Storybrooke due to unknown reasons, but they did not age and were frozen in time and state. However, in my opinion, I feel that the Dark Curse could affect other worlds in the Magical Land. For example, in the episode "Queen of Hearts", Regina send Hook to Wonderland to kill her mother, Cora/Queen of Hearts because she didn't want her to follow them to Storybrooke. Therefore, it can be concluded that the Curse can reach to other worlds like Wonderland. However, in the spin - off series "Once Upon a Time in Wonderland", it is shown that part of Wonderland still remains and was not affected by the Curse, merely the Red Queen's kingdom.

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    • NickM98 wrote:
      I've come to a slightly conflicting conclusion for a theory.

      Ages ago on the Dark Curse page, I added that it's implied that it only affects the land in which it is cast (Fairy Tale Land). However, as Arendelle appeared to be untouched by the Curse, I now believe that it's only the realm in which the Curse is cast (Enchanted Forest). This is further backed-up by the fact that Hook was able to outrun the curse before getting a Magic Bean to return to LWM. If it affected the whole of FTL, he wouldn't have been able to outrun the Curse and remain safe behind its boundary (I believe that this boundary is the territorial one that divides realms within worlds).

      However, a stone statue of Pabbie appears in SB, so does this mean that Arendelle was affected, but Ingrid's icy spell prevented Anna and the others from being affected (except the Valley of Living Rock where the Rock Trolls live)? The statue of Pabbie is the only think that I can find that doesn't support my theory, but what do you guys think? I'm not asking this to be approved for use, it's just my view.

      I believe that particular stone statue was merely a reference to Frozen and not an actual, petrified rock troll. Also, what Onceuponatimeuser97 said is correct. Even though everybody in the Enchanted Forest was transported to Storybrooke, all the different realms in every world except for the Land Without Magic were affected in a way that only time froze and the residents never aged; yet nobody came to Storybrooke unless Regina wanted them to in the cases of Jefferson and Viktor Frankenstein.

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    • Sonofaphrodite wrote:
      NickM98 wrote:
      I've come to a slightly conflicting conclusion for a theory.

      Ages ago on the Dark Curse page, I added that it's implied that it only affects the land in which it is cast (Fairy Tale Land). However, as Arendelle appeared to be untouched by the Curse, I now believe that it's only the realm in which the Curse is cast (Enchanted Forest). This is further backed-up by the fact that Hook was able to outrun the curse before getting a Magic Bean to return to LWM. If it affected the whole of FTL, he wouldn't have been able to outrun the Curse and remain safe behind its boundary (I believe that this boundary is the territorial one that divides realms within worlds).

      However, a stone statue of Pabbie appears in SB, so does this mean that Arendelle was affected, but Ingrid's icy spell prevented Anna and the others from being affected (except the Valley of Living Rock where the Rock Trolls live)? The statue of Pabbie is the only think that I can find that doesn't support my theory, but what do you guys think? I'm not asking this to be approved for use, it's just my view.

      I believe that particular stone statue was merely a reference to Frozen and not an actual, petrified rock troll. Also, what Onceuponatimeuser97 said is correct. Even though everybody in the Enchanted Forest was transported to Storybrooke, all the different realms in every world except for the Land Without Magic were affected in a way that only time froze and the residents never aged; yet nobody came to Storybrooke unless Regina wanted them to in the cases of Jefferson and Viktor Frankenstein.

      The normal stone statue theory for the Rock Troll and the other worlds being frozen in time theory makes sense. However, despite Regina wanting Cora dead before she cast the Curse for fear of her following them, and the appearance of Jefferson and Dr. Frankenstein, I do not really believe that the Curse is selective as to who goes and who stays. I believe that it just takes everyone that's located in the realm (EF) that it's cast in unless a strong enough protection spell can hold it back in some areas (2x09). I think that Regina was worried about Cora finding a way back to EF before or during the casting of the Curse (travelling between worlds may have become easy during the spreading of the Curse, who knows?). I also believe that (despite how difficult and time wasting it sounds), Regina somehow brought Jefferson and Dr. Frankenstein back to EF before the Curse (or during the spreading of the Curse due to my crazy world travel during the spreading of the Curse possible theory).

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    • I still think all characters who originated from Enchanted Forest or had set foot on the Enchanted Forest (like Victor) was automatically transported to Storybrooke.

      Because it seems like Regina didn't care about Whale being there in Storybrooke. The only one who came over for a "reason" - that wasn't at the time of the curse in EF - was Jefferson. And Will being in Wonderland was also transported. I think Regina was worried that the Curse would bring Cora over automatically since she originated from EF.

      The only issues with this theory is that it doesn't explain why Anastascia, Zelena, Pan and Anna, Ariel weren't transported automatically to Storybrooke.

      Anna: maybe because she was Frozen by the Snow Queen's Curse. Pan: maybe because of the properties of Neverland. And I think Pan was bound to Neverland to be able to exist eternally young. If he left to a Land without magic, that would of been broken. Ariel may not have necessarily "set foot" on Enchanted Forest. It was a spell that gave her legs. They weren't her own but magical legs. I just can't explain Zelena and Ana. It could be Cora taught Ana the protection spell that Cora used in EF during the Curse. And Zelena was naturally magical and may have found a way to protect herself from the Curse.

      I don't know if I've missed anyone.

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    • Eddiefunny wrote: I still think all characters who originated from Enchanted Forest or had set foot on the Enchanted Forest (like Victor) was automatically transported to Storybrooke.

      Because it seems like Regina didn't care about Whale being there in Storybrooke. The only one who came over for a "reason" - that wasn't at the time of the curse in EF - was Jefferson. And Will being in Wonderland was also transported. I think Regina was worried that the Curse would bring Cora over automatically since she originated from EF.

      The only issues with this theory is that it doesn't explain why Anastascia, Zelena, Pan and Anna, Ariel weren't transported automatically to Storybrooke.

      Anna: maybe because she was Frozen by the Snow Queen's Curse. Pan: maybe because of the properties of Neverland. And I think Pan was bound to Neverland to be able to exist eternally young. If he left to a Land without magic, that would of been broken. Ariel may not have necessarily "set foot" on Enchanted Forest. It was a spell that gave her legs. They weren't her own but magical legs. I just can't explain Zelena and Ana. It could be Cora taught Ana the protection spell that Cora used in EF during the Curse. And Zelena was naturally magical and may have found a way to protect herself from the Curse.

      I don't know if I've missed anyone.

      Actually, the timeline for the Worlds not originated from the Land Without Magic is kinda messed up. What I do know is that Cora did mention that those that are left behind in their world would be frozen in time for 28 years. Perhaps the Dark Curse did not spread further than expected and only affected certain parts in certain worlds (like part of Wonderland and the Land Without Color) and the other worlds just froze (not being able to age and move) till the Curse is broken in Storybrooke.

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    • I think that the reason Frankenstein & Jefferson were affected is because Regina "chose" to bring them - as they involved in the revival of Daniel.

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    • That still doesn't explain Will. Unless Will also wronged Regina in their former lives. I don't think he was in EF went the Curse hit. Because it seem like after getting his heart back from Alice he stuck around Wonderland to cause mischief. He met Lizard and Silvermist. Why didn't he go back to EF straightaway especially already having an exit strategy and with his increasing debt to the Caterpillar it makes sense to leave straightaway.

      I hoping it will be explained soon in 4B.

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    • Xtian MadHatter wrote: I think that the reason Frankenstein & Jefferson were affected is because Regina "chose" to bring them - as they involved in the revival of Daniel.

      No, Adam says we still do not know where Jefferson was when the curse was cast. I would assume same goes for Frankenstein.

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    • Eddiefunny wrote:
      That still doesn't explain Will. Unless Will also wronged Regina in their former lives. I don't think he was in EF went the Curse hit. Because it seem like after getting his heart back from Alice he stuck around Wonderland to cause mischief. He met Lizard and Silvermist. Why didn't he go back to EF straightaway especially already having an exit strategy and with his increasing debt to the Caterpillar it makes sense to leave straightaway.

      I hoping it will be explained soon in 4B.

      Will did return to EF after Alice returned home. It was revealed in a dialogue with Alice (maybe in episode 2, I don't remember)

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    • ^ I'm gonna have to watch the whole series all over again. Oh well :)

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    • I also have a question. How come King Midas did not come over with the curse?

      I genuinly believe that Regina had specific control over who she brought over. The people she brought from her own kingdom was prob felt they all deserved it for following Snow and was prob just everyone was taken because they were from that kingdom hence why Regina did not want Cora back. But the other people she brought over were very specific people. She could not have brought everyone from the Enchanted Forest because Storybrook simpy is not big enough for that many people. All the people she did bring had wronged her in some way, the only exception to this really is Prince Thomas, his father and Cinderella who never wronged Regina but wronged Rumple. She may have done it so he can get his revenge on these people and used this as a potential bargining chip.

      She chose to bring Dr Frankenstien and Jefferson over due to the fact they wronged her too. Maybe we are all just over thinking this problem. I know I am lol. 

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    • "I also have a question. How come King Midas did not come over with the curse?" lol who told you that he didn't?

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    • First, agreed that we don't know anything about Mida's whereabouts.  Storybrooke is a lot bigger than what we see, and it would be (in my opinion) very easy for people to come over and not be seen.  For Instance, We had not seen Bo Peep in either curse up to 4x2, but come to find out that she's been there all along as the butcher.  So Midas hiding would not be a big deal.

      Second, since we have not seen Midas in any capacity except flashbacks, I do consider it a reasonable possibility that he died or was killed prior to the curse.  Possibly by King George (He's my pick for possible villian to do this, and has a motive to want to). I mean, seriously, we've seen Abigail in storybrooke, and I would wager that the actor that portrays Midas (Alex Zahara) was quite available to do scenes in the present day , at least for the epiosodes where he appeared (including Snow Drifts)  and the writers chose not to use him. This is not conclusive evidence mind you, but maybe enough to warrant a question directed to A&E for confirmation or denial.

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    • I think they need to retcon the Curse. They said nothing could stop it, Cora did. They said it would rip away all the lands. It only took all of the Enchanted Forest (minus Cora's Safe Haven), one person from the Land Without Color, one person from Wonderland (two if Will was there when the Curse hit), and MAYBE one troll from Arendelle (Pabbie's statue could've just been a cute easter egg like the Tinkerbell ornament in Pilot). And both Zelena and Hook stated the Curse has a limited scope, which Ariel and Eric escaped. The one thing the Curse was promised to do which it did, was freeze time. The Enchanted Forest, Wonderland, Victorian England, and the Land Without Color were all frozen in time, and probably any other world we visit later as well. Victorian England was frozen while Alice was in the asylum. And it seems like the only world that was aware were the Enchanted Forest citizens because they knew what happened.

      I think the Curse affects a massive area where it's casted and takes all the living, but if the caster wants, the Curse can pull people from other lands or certain deceased people, which is why Regina wanted Cora dead, because she loved her mother and therefore the Curse would've taken her to Storybrooke from Wonderland automatically. But she specifically chose to take Henry and Daniel's corpses.

      And I also think that the Curse automatically rips back all the people that were originally hit by it. Will seems to have been living in Wonderland with Ana until Snow's curse ripped him back to Storybrooke, but this is unconfirmed and the fact that Eric was still on Hangman's Island with Ariel during Snow's curse suggests that the person only gets pulled back if they're within the limits of the Curse.

      Maybe Will was transported to the Enchanted Forest when Regina undid the Curse, since apparently everyone went back to the Enchanted Forest, regardless of their world of origin. And that's why he was brought to Storybrooke with Snow's Curse. Everyone said that travel between the worlds was impossible during the missing year. This could mean Will couldn't get back to Ana at all during that year, and Rabbit was unable to use his powers? That's my only explanation for it.

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    • I agree with the time freezing part and most of the rest, excepting the whole The-curse-took-people-from-other-worlds.

      When confronted about it, the creators confirmed something: we should not assume that the Hatter, for instance, was in Wonderland when the curse hit.

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      I agree with the time freezing part and most of the rest, excepting the whole The-curse-took-people-from-other-worlds.

      When confronted about it, the creators confirmed something: we should not assume that the Hatter, for instance, was in Wonderland when the curse hit.

      Wait, Jefferson somehow made it back to the Enchanted Forest? They need to bring Sebastian back so we can see that! Well, Will and Frankenstein's locations are still unconfirmed and it can be assumed they were in Wonderland, LWC, respectively. Because I truly doubt that Frankenstein would ever return to the EF, unless he wanted something from Rumple to help his brother, which is why he was so adamant to get back to him when the Curse was undone.

      But if the Curse can't rip away people from other worlds, then why did Regina need Cora brought from Wonderland as a corpse? She could've just left Cora alone and she never would've shown up in Storybrooke. Never even have tried.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Killian Jones wrote:
      I agree with the time freezing part and most of the rest, excepting the whole The-curse-took-people-from-other-worlds.

      When confronted about it, the creators confirmed something: we should not assume that the Hatter, for instance, was in Wonderland when the curse hit.

      Wait, Jefferson somehow made it back to the Enchanted Forest? They need to bring Sebastian back so we can see that! Well, Will and Frankenstein's locations are still unconfirmed and it can be assumed they were in Wonderland, LWC, respectively. Because I truly doubt that Frankenstein would ever return to the EF, unless he wanted something from Rumple to help his brother, which is why he was so adamant to get back to him when the Curse was undone.

      But if the Curse can't rip away people from other worlds, then why did Regina need Cora brought from Wonderland as a corpse? She could've just left Cora alone and she never would've shown up in Storybrooke. Never even have tried.

      No, they didn't confirm he was in the EF either. They just say we don't know where he was. xD

      And actually, they are bringing Jefferson back through the new comic, which is as canonical as an episode.

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    • The thing I didn't get was why Dr. Whale is back in Storybrooke shouldn't he have gone back to LWC. But I started thinking he ended up in EF with everyone else and then went straight back to Storybrooke after the 2nd Curse.

      The 2nd Dark Curse seen to be less powerful. There was no fake memories or time freeze. And the memory loss was added by the Wicked Witch. I guess the basic form of the Dark Curse is to transport your victims to a Land Without Magic with the Caster as the Ruler of this town.

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    • Eddiefunny wrote:
      The thing I didn't get was why Dr. Whale is back in Storybrooke shouldn't he have gone back to LWC. But I started thinking he ended up in EF with everyone else and then went straight back to Storybrooke after the 2nd Curse.

      The 2nd Dark Curse seen to be less powerful. There was no fake memories or time freeze. And the memory loss was added by the Wicked Witch. I guess the basic form of the Dark Curse is to transport your victims to a Land Without Magic with the Caster as the Ruler of this town.

      Like Regina said in "Going Home", no one had to be miserable in Storybrooke. Which means that all the Curse is designed to do is bring everyone over, everything else is just added in by the caster. But since Rumple knew the price was steep (killing the thing you love most) he had to make someone use it out of darkness and revenge. And then Regina used it to hurt all of her enemies.

      And as for Frankenstein, he was either in the EF when the original Curse hit and was brought back there (his last known location) when the Curse was undone, and then taken once more when Snow's Curse hit, or the Curse can reach into other lands on a limited scale and brings back as many people from the original Curse as possible.

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    • I didn't have time to read what everyone put here.  But it was already established back in the first and second season that the Dark Curse's effect can reach beyond jus one realm.  The proof being Dr. Whale and Jefferson's presences in SB.  Because their flashbacks showed their were in different realms instead of Enchanted Forest or Fairytale land.  Unless now the show writers want to re-establish that they were actually in FTL or EF at the time, the Dark Curse definitely went beyond just the FTL.   As for why people of Arendelle were never affected, it's likely because Regina didn't have any problem with them, so she didn't choose to include them in the curse.

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    • DarkRobin wrote:
      I didn't have time to read what everyone put here.  But it was already established back in the first and second season that the Dark Curse's effect can reach beyond jus one realm.  The proof being Dr. Whale and Jefferson's presences in SB.  Because their flashbacks showed their were in different realms instead of Enchanted Forest or Fairytale land.  Unless now the show writers want to re-establish that they were actually in FTL or EF at the time, the Dark Curse definitely went beyond just the FTL.   As for why people of Arendelle were never affected, it's likely because Regina didn't have any problem with them, so she didn't choose to include them in the curse.

      Actually, the Arendelle population is easily explained. They were frozen in time because of Ingrid. They were basically cryogenically frozen, which is a suspended state of animation, AKA a death-like state. And unless the caster wanted specific dead people (Daniel and Henry Sr.), it wouldn't transfer over the dead.

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    • I think the reason Arendelle or Agrabagh didn't come over with the curse is because they're too far beyond the curse's reach. Like Hook can escape the 2nd curse, it seems like the curse has its limit

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    • So are we expecting King Midas, Rapunzel's parents and Repunzel to return in Storybrook? I think it is an interesting theory that King Midas was killed by King George but it seems unlikely since it was not King Midas' fault Abigal married Frederick instead of Charming. King Midas seemed quite in favour of his daughters marriage to Charming. Plus King George needed gold from King Midas, killing him seems a little to extreme. Again I could just be wrong and a little pessimistic as I am a fan of King Midas.

      In regards Rapunzel and her family not "appearing" in Storybrook is they are prop still in the Enchanted Forest and escaped the second curse because Snow White never even met them. Possibly cementing the theory that victims of the curse are specifically choosen. Maybe!

      The real question with Arendale is would time of froze in that land too if Ingrid had not froze them all in ice? I think not. I do agree that this land and Agrabagh were just out of reach of either curse, and I also agree the second curse was weaker then the first. 

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    • King Midas, Rapunzel and Mulan had to have all been transported to Storybrooke if they were alive and within reach of the Second Curse.

      Are you saying that the Caster has to know each individual personally for them to be fall victim to the Curse. I don't think Snow would intentionally want to send people she knows or does not know to Storybrooke especially when she knows there are individuals who wanted to go back home to EF (e.g. Leroy) and send a whole realm over to Storybrooke just so she can get to her daughter.

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    • Actually, the first Dark Curse was suppose to be strong enough to reach into all the realms and worlds in the Land With Magic universe. However, due to untold reasons, only the Enchanted Forest was affected. The others froze in time. As for Frankenstein and Jefferson/Mad Hatter, it is not known. However, I dont think Regina Mills/Evil Queen has the power to bring anyone along with her curse. It has never been stated in the show that she could do that.

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    • Onceuponatimeuser97 wrote: Actually, the first Dark Curse was suppose to be strong enough to reach into all the realms and worlds in the Land With Magic universe. However, due to untold reasons, only the Enchanted Forest was affected. The others froze in time. As for Frankenstein and Jefferson/Mad Hatter, it is not known. However, I dont think Regina Mills/Evil Queen has the power to bring anyone along with her curse. It has never been stated in the show that she could do that.

      First of all, for entire worlds to be frozen in time for almost three decades is kind of getting affected, so I would not say the curse had no effect on those worlds XD Secondly, Regina has stated that she brought who she wanted, but we know she has constantly lied about the curse's effects (the Enchanted Forest dissapearing, for instance), so there is no reason to believe her statement.

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    • Killian Jones wrote:

      Onceuponatimeuser97 wrote: Actually, the first Dark Curse was suppose to be strong enough to reach into all the realms and worlds in the Land With Magic universe. However, due to untold reasons, only the Enchanted Forest was affected. The others froze in time. As for Frankenstein and Jefferson/Mad Hatter, it is not known. However, I dont think Regina Mills/Evil Queen has the power to bring anyone along with her curse. It has never been stated in the show that she could do that.

      First of all, for entire worlds to be frozen in time for almost three decades is kind of getting affected, so I would not say the curse had no effect on those worlds XD Secondly, Regina has stated that she brought who she wanted, but we know she has constantly lied about the curse's effects (the Enchanted Forest dissapearing, for instance), so there is no reason to believe her statement.

      Yeah. However, I don't think that's how the Curse works, although Regina mentioned it. The curse is meant to consume the inhabitants, in a way, to bring them here to Our World. If she could choose people to come across, then basicly majority of the inhabitants of other Worlds would also ended up being in Storybrooke. However, do you remember the episode Queen of Hearts where Regina sends Hook to Wonderland to kill Cora. She mentions that she does not want her to come to Storybrooke. Perhaps the Curse can enter other worlds, but something intervene?

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    • However, do you remember the episode Queen of Hearts where Regina sends Hook to Wonderland to kill Cora. She mentions that she does not want her to come to Storybrooke. Perhaps the Curse can enter other worlds, but something intervene?

      I always believed this piece of dialogue meant that the curse would reach Wonderland too. Which explains why Jafar, the Red Queen and Alice never aged during the curse (Alice knows Will Scarlet, who was taken, from before the curse).

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    • Nightlily wrote:

      However, do you remember the episode Queen of Hearts where Regina sends Hook to Wonderland to kill Cora. She mentions that she does not want her to come to Storybrooke. Perhaps the Curse can enter other worlds, but something intervene?

      I always believed this piece of dialogue meant that the curse would reach Wonderland too. Which explains why Jafar, the Red Queen and Alice never aged during the curse (Alice knows Will Scarlet, who was taken, from before the curse).


      Regina meant that Cora will somehow find a way to come to Storybrooke by any portals, not just the curse, so she had Hook killed her. 

      And Will Scarlet was taken by the curse because he returned to the Enchanted Forest, which is revealed in a dialogue between Will & Alice in episode 2(or 4 - I don't remember)

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    • Xtian MadHatter wrote:

      Nightlily wrote:

      However, do you remember the episode Queen of Hearts where Regina sends Hook to Wonderland to kill Cora. She mentions that she does not want her to come to Storybrooke. Perhaps the Curse can enter other worlds, but something intervene?

      I always believed this piece of dialogue meant that the curse would reach Wonderland too. Which explains why Jafar, the Red Queen and Alice never aged during the curse (Alice knows Will Scarlet, who was taken, from before the curse).


      Regina meant that Cora will somehow find a way to come to Storybrooke by any portals, not just the curse, so she had Hook killed her. 

      And Will Scarlet was taken by the curse because he returned to the Enchanted Forest, which is revealed in a dialogue between Will & Alice in episode 2(or 4 - I don't remember)

      Actually, Cora did not know anything about a Curse when Hook came to kill her, however, she understand the Curse's effects (probably due to learning magic many many years ago). However, she spend a lot of time in Wonderland trying to get out. She even used the Mad Hatter to make another hat for her, which failed

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    • Onceuponatimeuser97 wrote:

      Xtian MadHatter wrote:

      Nightlily wrote:

      However, do you remember the episode Queen of Hearts where Regina sends Hook to Wonderland to kill Cora. She mentions that she does not want her to come to Storybrooke. Perhaps the Curse can enter other worlds, but something intervene?

      I always believed this piece of dialogue meant that the curse would reach Wonderland too. Which explains why Jafar, the Red Queen and Alice never aged during the curse (Alice knows Will Scarlet, who was taken, from before the curse).

      Regina meant that Cora will somehow find a way to come to Storybrooke by any portals, not just the curse, so she had Hook killed her. 

      And Will Scarlet was taken by the curse because he returned to the Enchanted Forest, which is revealed in a dialogue between Will & Alice in episode 2(or 4 - I don't remember)

      Actually, Cora did not know anything about a Curse when Hook came to kill her, however, she understand the Curse's effects (probably due to learning magic many many years ago). However, she spend a lot of time in Wonderland trying to get out. She even used the Mad Hatter to make another hat for her, which failed

      Cora didn't tell Jefferson to make the hat for her, she told him (through her second Knave) that if he could make another hat, he could leave Wonderland.

      I still believe that the Curse taps into your desires and literally brings whoever your heart wanted to punish/be with you. Which is why Regina needed Cora killed, because as she told her mother in 2x09, she loved her. And she also wanted to punish everyone which is why the Curse took as many people as possible. So if the Curse could've taken Cora out of Wonderland (if Cora hadn't intervened), it could've taken anyone from anywhere.

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    • Xtian MadHatter wrote:

      Regina meant that Cora will somehow find a way to come to Storybrooke by any portals, not just the curse, so she had Hook killed her. 

      And Will Scarlet was taken by the curse because he returned to the Enchanted Forest, which is revealed in a dialogue between Will & Alice in episode 2(or 4 - I don't remember)

      That is possible, of course. But I cannot remember Will ever saying something like that. Could you please quote the dialogue?

      The strongest indicator that the Curse reached Wonderland, is that the Red Queen and Alice never aged during the time of the curse (as we find out in the episode where Alice meets Will for the first time, Alice knows Will from before the curse, and Anastasia was already there at that time - she and Alice would at least be around fifty now, if they had aged normally).

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    • Nightlily wrote:

      Xtian MadHatter wrote:

      Regina meant that Cora will somehow find a way to come to Storybrooke by any portals, not just the curse, so she had Hook killed her. 

      And Will Scarlet was taken by the curse because he returned to the Enchanted Forest, which is revealed in a dialogue between Will & Alice in episode 2(or 4 - I don't remember)

      That is possible, of course. But I cannot remember Will ever saying something like that. Could you please quote the dialogue?

      The strongest indicator that the Curse reached Wonderland, is that the Red Queen and Alice never aged during the time of the curse (as we find out in the episode where Alice meets Will for the first time, Alice knows Will from before the curse, and Anastasia was already there at that time - she and Alice would at least be around fifty now, if they had aged normally).

      The Curse reached everywhere. Every land we've seen so far in this franchise was frozen for 28 years.

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    • Onceuponatimeuser97 wrote:
      Actually, Cora did not know anything about a Curse when Hook came to kill her, however, she understand the Curse's effects (probably due to learning magic many many years ago). However, she spend a lot of time in Wonderland trying to get out. She even used the Mad Hatter to make another hat for her, which failed

      Okay, that makes sense except she knew that they would be frozen for 28 years until the Saviour would break the Curse. And it seemed like only Rumple knew about that. That's why Snow and Charming sought Rumple, for advice about the Curse in the Pilot and Rumple using his foresight told them that their child would be the Saviour and break it on her...28th birthday.

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    • In my opinion, however powerful the Dark Curse is, it is not capable of transporting one entire world to another. Therefore, it only takes the kingdom in which it was launched, in this case the Enchanted Forest. All the other kingdoms of this world such as Camelot, Arendelle, and Agrabah, as well as all other magical lands like Oz, Wonderland, Victorian England, and the like were only frozen in time.

      Jefferson's motive, Will Scarlet and Victor being in Storybrooke, in my view, was for a few reasons. Will with the help of the White Rabbit went to the Enchanted Forest just before the curse to get rid of the debts with the Blue Caterpillar. Frankenstein and the Mad Hatter were taken from their lands shortly before the launch, by Regina, and brought to the Enchanted Forest. She did this, since both had unique skills and some knowledge, Victor was able to resurrect the dead (other than she wanted him to pay for lying to her) and Jefferson knew about world crosses. She brought them if she needed them later.

      Queen Evil's motive to have Hook killed Cora was because she wanted to finally have her happy ending in another land for all eternity. Cora would not have been cursed for being in Wonderland, but her daughter wanted to make sure she did not come after her by any other means.

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    • Arendelle is like a 3 day boat ride, and it was explicitly stated that the only reason it wasn't overtaken by the Curse was because Ingrid had frozen everyone.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Arendelle is like a 3 day boat ride, and it was explicitly stated that the only reason it wasn't overtaken by the Curse was because Ingrid had frozen everyone.

      What does Ingrid's ice magic have to do with the Dark Curse? I don't remember that statement. Dark Curse did touch all the lands, all the locations, everywhere in this multi-universe, meaning it froze every magical place. But it only took the inhabitants of the Enchanted Forest. That's what I know.

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    • Regina's line about choosing who she brought was never meant to refer to Victor.

      Regina tells Archie she brought her dead father because she chose to, not that she brought Frankenstein. She even adds "I don't care about Whale".

      I, too, think that Victor, Jefferson and Will must have been in the EF by the time the curse reached the land. Will actually was confirmed to leave Wonderland, I guess. The other two, we can guess. The last we saw of Victor was a bout 20 years before the curse, it's not that unlikely for him to have left the Land Without Color. And Jefferson might have managed to leave Wonderland eventually, perhaps even along with Will.

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Arendelle is like a 3 day boat ride, and it was explicitly stated that the only reason it wasn't overtaken by the Curse was because Ingrid had frozen everyone.
      What does Ingrid's ice magic have to do with the Dark Curse? I don't remember that statement. Dark Curse did touch all the lands, all the locations, everywhere in this multi-universe, meaning it froze every magical place. But it only took the inhabitants of the Enchanted Forest. That's what I know.

      Then they were double frozen

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    • CadoDoan wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Arendelle is like a 3 day boat ride, and it was explicitly stated that the only reason it wasn't overtaken by the Curse was because Ingrid had frozen everyone.
      What does Ingrid's ice magic have to do with the Dark Curse? I don't remember that statement. Dark Curse did touch all the lands, all the locations, everywhere in this multi-universe, meaning it froze every magical place. But it only took the inhabitants of the Enchanted Forest. That's what I know.

      Adam said it on Twitter. It should be on Arendelle's page. The inhabitants were frozen solid by Ingrid, and thus none of them were taken to Storybrooke, but the Curse did sweep over their land.

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    • I don't think he said that. If so, it's more of "the time-stopping" part of the curse effected all lands, including Arendelle and Camelot. It's so nice that they did conforim that there is a time-stopping part of Regina's Dark Curse. (Yeah, if he said something, I think it was about time-stopping which didn't need to happen in Arendelle due to Ingrid freezing them. So, doubly frozen.)

      Truth is, Arendelle and Camelot weren't even things fully developed at that time, especially not Arendelle. Even the title card and promotion said "Enchanted Forest". Plus, Arendelle must be further away that the Camelot regions and Camelot castle. If Camelot Castle is roughly a day or so away from the Dark Castle by foot, then surely Arendelle is at least two or so days away by boat (which could be hundreds of miles).

      I think the DC is unclear on who is brought because if Regina brings who she wants, then she shouldn't have worried about Cora. All I'd say is Regina seems to now be an unreliable source of information (specifically the writers making it that way).

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    • Regina was worried about Cora because she didn't want to be followed by her into this new realm. It had nothing to do with her coming over with the Dark Curse or not. In fact, Cora did follow Regina to Storybrooke.

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