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  • So in 4.01 Gerda sends a message in a bottle to Anna and Elsa to warn them about something. At first I thought she was trying to warn them about Ingrid, but how can you warn someone about a person you don't even remember? So what could Gerda have been warning them about then? 

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    • I think she does remember, and I think that the King knew as well.  They had just visited with Rumple and were on their way back to Arendelle when the storm occurred that sank the ship. Assuming that she had not remembered earlier (such as when Elsa was given the gloves), something that occurred with Rumple could have restored her memories.

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    • Or an apology saying that it was her fault that Elsa even had the powers that she had. She may have remembered and alerted her daughters that they have an Aunt who could possibly help.

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    • I think Rumple restored her memories, so she have been warning them about Ingrid? But Ingrid was trapped and she wasn't exactly evil, so really don't know.

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    • Brzoskwinia wrote:
      I think Rumple restored her memories, so she have been warning them about Ingrid? But Ingrid was trapped and she wasn't exactly evil, so really don't know.

      Could she have possibly escaped somehow before 4.03, maybe Gerda met Kai after the events of 4.07 and he released her and she fell in love with Kai, but he loved Gerda so she kidnapped him and took him to an ice castle and Gerda went to rescue him and then somehow her memory of Ingrid was restored and she imprionsed her back into the urn

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    • yep. 

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    • And then that's when the events of the snow queen the story happend.

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    • J-lomini wrote:
      And then that's when the events of the snow queen the story happend.

      You think so?

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    • I don't think the Ingrid came out of the Urn between when Gerda trapped her and Hans Freed her. A link on one of the other threads for an interview with Elizabeth Mitchell pointed out that Ingrid was trapped in the Urn for around 20 years. Which would be just about right for the time frame from when Ingrid was trapped until her freedom. Probably a little more than 20 years, since Elsa is probably definitely in her Mid-20's (at least) when she and Kristoff encounter Ingrid.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Probably a little more than 20 years, since Elsa is probably definitely in her Mid-20's (at least) when she and Kristoff encounter Ingrid.

      If they have the same ages in Once as in the movie, Elsa would've been 23 (she's 21 in the movie, this takes place 2 years after).

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I don't think the Ingrid came out of the Urn between when Gerda trapped her and Hans Freed her. A link on one of the other threads for an interview with Elizabeth Mitchell pointed out that Ingrid was trapped in the Urn for around 20 years. Which would be just about right for the time frame from when Ingrid was trapped until her freedom. Probably a little more than 20 years, since Elsa is probably definitely in her Mid-20's (at least) when she and Kristoff encounter Ingrid.

      Ingrid's control over her magic is too great. She msut have been released by rumple or someone else and was able to master her skills. Her being trap in the urn was probably her set up to meet Elsa, pretend like it is her first time knowing her. Between Gerda and Han's urn moment, I think Ingrid was already working with Rumple or training with someone else. 

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    • TheSamTrickster wrote:
      Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I don't think the Ingrid came out of the Urn between when Gerda trapped her and Hans Freed her. A link on one of the other threads for an interview with Elizabeth Mitchell pointed out that Ingrid was trapped in the Urn for around 20 years. Which would be just about right for the time frame from when Ingrid was trapped until her freedom. Probably a little more than 20 years, since Elsa is probably definitely in her Mid-20's (at least) when she and Kristoff encounter Ingrid.
      Ingrid's control over her magic is too great. She msut have been released by rumple or someone else and was able to master her skills. Her being trap in the urn was probably her set up to meet Elsa, pretend like it is her first time knowing her. Between Gerda and Han's urn moment, I think Ingrid was already working with Rumple or training with someone else. 

      I hope so, because Ingrid never interacted with Kai (pressumably Anna and Elsa's father) and the two shared many moments together in the orginal story, I am even willing to bet that Ingrid killed Anna and Elsa's parent, also I wonder if the devil troll will be introduced, could it be an evil rock troll or Rumeplstiltskin or do you think Sydnney met Ingrid before the first curse and he's the devil troll

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    • First, as someone else posted earlier, I picutre the Urn as something similar to a Genie's lamp. They are Trapped inside unable to escape without outside help, but have full awareness of what's going on otherwise. So 20 or so years of solitude would give someone plenty of chance to practice controlling themselves and their magic.  Consider that Ingrid heard Hans utter the term Monster in the conversation with Elsa, and she commented on it right before she made him a Human Corpsicle.

      Now, having said that, I concede that it is possible that Ingrid was free of the Urn and allowed herself to be trapped again to lure Elsa.  And I had actually considered that the Storm that killed the King and Queen was summoned by Ingrid (and it would make sense, given what we've seen). But in that case, who let Ingrid OUT of the urn the first time? When was she retrapped, and who set the Urn up to be found by both Kristoff and Hans?  My guess, if these scenerio is actually true, is that Rumple is in this WAY deeper that anyone thought, in which case, I would be careful if I were Ingrid, because Rumples deals have a way of backfiring on the persons that make the deals.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      First, as someone else posted earlier, I picutre the Urn as something similar to a Genie's lamp. They are Trapped inside unable to escape without outside help, but have full awareness of what's going on otherwise. So 20 or so years of solitude would give someone plenty of chance to practice controlling themselves and their magic.  Consider that Ingrid heard Hans utter the term Monster in the conversation with Elsa, and she commented on it right before she made him a Human Corpsicle.

      Now, having said that, I concede that it is possible that Ingrid was free of the Urn and allowed herself to be trapped again to lure Elsa.  And I had actually considered that the Storm that killed the King and Queen was summoned by Ingrid (and it would make sense, given what we've seen). But in that case, who let Ingrid OUT of the urn the first time? When was she retrapped, and who set the Urn up to be found by both Kristoff and Hans?  My guess, if these scenerio is actually true, is that Rumple is in this WAY deeper that anyone thought, in which case, I would be careful if I were Ingrid, because Rumples deals have a way of backfiring on the persons that make the deals.

      Even though she was aware, if the Urn was in that cave for 20 years, you can't just know a lot of spell. When she was trapped, she barely have the ability to use her ice power, let alone learn the choking spell (Dark magic), and the shattering sight spell and what is needed without a master, or mentor, but we know that Rumple didn't train her so there must be others like her. If she had the opportunity to practice magic inside the urn, then we should assume that Ingrid mastered her ice magic only , but we know that Ingrid also knows dark magic, the chocking spell is the most common spell i've seen used by dark magic practicioners. So, if Gerda went straight into the cave to hide her away after she trapped her then she should only know and have mastered ice magic as that was initially she thought she only had. I mean Elsa has been alive for 21 years without any restriction and yet she has yet to master her ice power, and Anna's love only  helps to calm her down to some extent but not completely. Wasn't Elsa basically trapped in her own room in total solitutude as well? Even Regina isn't even that strong with all that time she spent learning with rumple and freedom to control her abilities. 

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    • Do we ever see Ingrid use the "Force Choke" in the flashbacks, or is it only present time? I would consider it possible that she mastered the Ice Magic while in seclusion in the Urn, and then worked with someone, most likely Rumple, to hone her skills further and pick up a few extra tricks (like the Force Choke).  She did have a few years after her release before the Curse was invoked. That's not to say that what you present is wrong, because we simply don't know.  I'm just presenting an alternate viewpoint.

      Also, Elsa was NOT in complete isolation. In Frozen, she still spent time with her parents, she was just kept hidden from the rest of the world. Also, she wore the gloves almost all the time, so she never worked on honing her skills, but rather worked on trying to NOT use her skills (and not very well at that.)  When Elsa finally "let it go" in the movie, we see that she is actually quite powerful, and the Ice Magic comes quite naturally. The problem is shutting it down.  I think Ingrid probably has the same issues.

      Agreed, that Regina is not that strong. Of all the magic users, she seems to be the one that is the LEAST gifted, and has had to work really hard to master her Craft.  She does it, and she does it well, but it is not quite as second nature to her as it is to Rumple, Elsa, or Emma.

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    • I don't think it's a warning. It's a revelation. Since Gerda said "Anna and Elsa must know the truth!"


      She seems to have written the fact that she had 2 sisters and she has a sister who can control the Snow and Ice

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    • If have seen the newest episode of once

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    • Farrah1436 wrote:
      If have seen the newest episode of once

      Yes, and I guuess that explains a lot 

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    • JCAdlawan wrote:
      I don't think it's a warning. It's a revelation. Since Gerda said "Anna and Elsa must know the truth!"


      She seems to have written the fact that she had 2 sisters and she has a sister who can control the Snow and Ice

      Oh my gosh I was right! 

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    • I'm surprised at the revelation that Gerda kept her memories even though she asked Grand Pabbie to erase everyone else's memories of Ingrid and Helga. I thought for sure that Gerda wouldn't be able to stomach being alive and knowing she lost both sisters, but it makes sense that her scroll-in-the-bottle confession is what saved Ingrid in the end.... knowing that Gerda did love her very much and regretted putting her in the urn. :( 

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    • Applegirl wrote:
      I'm surprised at the revelation that Gerda kept her memories even though she asked Grand Pabbie to erase everyone else's memories of Ingrid and Helga. I thought for sure that Gerda wouldn't be able to stomach being alive and knowing she lost both sisters, but it makes sense that her scroll-in-the-bottle confession is what saved Ingrid in the end.... knowing that Gerda did love her very much and regretted putting her in the urn. :( 

      I agree.



      Ingrid is one of the best villains created by OUAT IMO. She is the second villain that made me cry (First was Regina)

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    • JCAdlawan wrote:
      Applegirl wrote:
      I'm surprised at the revelation that Gerda kept her memories even though she asked Grand Pabbie to erase everyone else's memories of Ingrid and Helga. I thought for sure that Gerda wouldn't be able to stomach being alive and knowing she lost both sisters, but it makes sense that her scroll-in-the-bottle confession is what saved Ingrid in the end.... knowing that Gerda did love her very much and regretted putting her in the urn. :( 
      I agree.



      Ingrid is one of the best villains created by OUAT IMO. She is the second villain that made me cry (First was Regina)


      Everything was still very new to me when I watched the episode the first time around. At first, I perceived the way she died was kind of lame because I kept thinking about how much build up this arc has had about the spell of shattered sight only for it to end so quickly in one episode. However, the second time I watched it, I actually got teary listening to Ingrid talk about how she is satisfied with dying knowing she always had her sisters' love and that love was always there without her realizing it till then.

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