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  • Just saw this posted by someone else. 

    They are saying it's an iconic character, but no clue whether Villian or Hero.  She will be teased in the midseason finale. And she will be recurring in the back half of season 4.

    I can think of a couple of possibilities. on the Villian side, Cruella De Vil is still available, as is Morgan Le-Fey. On the "Princess" side, there's still Jasmine, Esmerelda, Pocahontas (I hope not).

    There's probably others that I am not thinking of.

    Soooooo.. Let the speculation commence.

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    • Knowing that actress, I would say villain and totally Cruella De Vil.

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    • I think she may be a hero. We have had a ton of villainesses in this year alone not to mention Cora, Anastasia, and Tamara last year. Now we have Zelena, Ingrid, and Bo Peep. We also need more heroes. Especially since Neal, Graham, and August died.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Just saw this posted by someone else. 

      They are saying it's an iconic character, but no clue whether Villian or Hero.  She will be teased in the midseason finale. And she will be recurring in the back half of season 4.

      I can think of a couple of possibilities. on the Villian side, Cruella De Vil is still available, as is Morgan Le-Fey. On the "Princess" side, there's still Jasmine, Esmerelda, Pocahontas (I hope not).

      There's probably others that I am not thinking of.

      Soooooo.. Let the speculation commence.

      Just must have seen the same post you did.  I commented there, too...but oh my.  I truly hope she's a villain. And of course, I hope it's Cruella.

      Very exciting, albeit torturous, casting!

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    • Wow we really have polar opposite interests. I mean, I have no problem with new villainesses, but I think Maleficent is already taking that role on for 4B. Does she really need comrade to help her out?

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    • Totally agree - Maleficient will be the biggest, baddest Big Bad in 4B.  I'm sure, though, they'll have some flashback fillers or something.  A small role in Maleficent's shadow.  And perhaps unrelated.

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    • DarlingDavies wrote:
      Totally agree - Maleficient will be the biggest, baddest Big Bad in 4B.  

      Was it comfirmed yet that Maleficent wuld be truly evil, and the Big Bad? All Eddy and Adam said, was that she would return in a large recurring role.

      As for who Victoria Smurfit will be portraying.... my guess is Aurora's mother, the original Sleeping Beauty.

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    • Yeah, and I found it from someone who added the link to the Season 4 page, so thanks whoever did that. Assuming she is Cruella, she wouldn't be as big a bad as Maleficent. I mean Cruella's biggest crimes are dognapping and cruelty to animals, while Maleficent's are putting royalty into comas and other acts of dark magic. Oh and let's not forget she turns into a dragon to fight people. If a fight between Cruella and Maleficent insues, I think it's safe to say Cruella's days are numbered.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote: If a fight between Cruella and Maleficent insues, I think it's safe to say Cruella's days are numbered.

      Not necessarily.... as Disney redeemed Maleficent, this past summer.

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    • If it's a villain then Cruella. If it's a hero then Sleeping Beauty which I highly doubt because she doesn't look the part.

      I hope her and Maleficent team up, or at least let Cruella have a 2-3 episode arc. Maleficent needs to be the big bad, and her and the Sleeping Beauty and Aurora's story needs to be told finally. I also think their going to pull a Disney and redeem her come the end of the season. She'll be the 1st villain to turn to the good side (of course other than Regina and Rumple).

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    • I'm pretty sure it's Auroras mom / the original Sleeping Beauty. It just makes most sense because 4B is all about Maleficent and that story. She'll be introduced in 4x11, the episode that sets up 4B, so all of that makes me think it's her.

      I'd love to see Cruella, but this just isn't the right timing.

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    • This summer's Maleficent was an atrocicity

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    • Victoria confirmed she's playing Cruella De Vil on twitter! WOW! Wonders what her motive is. She cannot spend 11 episodes trying to take the fur of Pongo lol

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    • Xtian MadHatter wrote:
      Victoria confirmed she's playing Cruella De Vil on twitter! WOW! Wonders what her motive is. She cannot spend 11 episodes trying to take the fur of Pongo lol

      Well, Maleficent is able to turn into a dragon. While, Hook has been trying to skin Rumplestiltskin for centuries. There are plenty of magical beings, Cruella might want to target.

      Though, one would think that Victoria Smurfit would have a gag order in her contract, to prevent her form spilling the beans. Robbie Kay, Rebecca Mader, and Elizabeth Mitchell were not able to talk about who they were playing, until ABC made the offical announcements.

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    • I find it interesting that everyone assumes she's going to be huge.

      I mean, if she is playing Cruella, she doesn't have to be *THE* villain. Maybe she's in a few flashbacks. She doesn't have to be the villain of the arc.

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      I mean, if she is playing Cruella, she doesn't have to be *THE* villain. Maybe she's in a few flashbacks. She doesn't have to be the villain of the arc.

      How about this question.... will there even be a Big Bad, for the second half?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote: How about this question.... will there even be a Big Bad, for the second half?

      That is a very intriguing thought.

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    • I'd be welcome to a change, wether that being multiple villains or some other twist. I mean we've had villains like Cora, Greg and t, Peter Pan, Zelena, and probably the snow queen who have or probably will last only half a season (or a little bit more like Cora). We need a good break from that pattern.

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    • So long as she's not Marry Poppins I'm good..... But that women has Villain written all over her, I loved her in Dracula. But while I think Curella is a great villain I have no idea how she would fit into OUAT. I mean her thing was kill puppies & fur coats. What could she do in SB? Skin people alive? Hunt Rumplestlskin? I might could see her as Morgan La Fey or Ursula. I could even see her as Jane from Tarzan. Oh how about Cinderella's stepmom?.... Nah that wouldn't work for her. Hmmm my OUAT spidie sciences are all in a tither over this one....

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      How about this question.... will there even be a Big Bad, for the second half?

      General consensus holds that Kristin Baur van Straten's Maleficent is going to be the "Big Bad" for the second half of the season, as we know she's coming back for multiple episodes and what's been described as a "major arc".

      As far as Cruella goes, the show's traditional pattern - from which they deviated only for the Frozen characters and for a very specific reason - says that she's not going to be anything like what people are expecting and that her portrayal and involvement is going to be anything but 'traditional', and I have a feeling she's going to have something to do with the search for the author of the "Once Upon a Time" storybook.

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    • Ok forget everything I just said earlier.... I just read her tweeter and yes she confirmed she is in fact the Devil women herself.... Archie better hide Pongo because Curella is coming to SB! https://twitter.com/VictoriaSmurfit/status/529824405174886400

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    • Ooh I like that theory! Isn't 101 Dalmatians in England or something? I associate many disney movies with England, I mean Peter Pan, Mary Poppins, lady and the tramp (maybe, idk), etc.

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    • I may not no how she'll work on OUAT but it will certainly be interesting to see what there take on Curella will be...... Wait! OH LORD!........... HOW ARE THEY GOING TO FIT CURELLA DAVIL INTO HENRY'S FAMILY TREE????? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Good grief Curella on this show? She could end up being Cora's sister, Rumple's mother, Killian's mother, Rumple's sister, Charming's second cousin twice removed, Em's old friend Lily, Regina's daughter from the future, Snow's great grandmother. Dear God the possibility's are endless.... But seeing as how that A&E said we haven't seen the last of Lily, I'll place a small wager on her. But somehow Curella is going to be in Henry's family, they always are....

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    • What if Cruella is from outside of Storybrooke and Regina and Henry meet her on their quest to find the book's author.

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    • Whoa Cruella! This is amazing news! I wonder will she fit in, and will she be magical or not, cause I think we need more villain who aren't magical. Cruella meeting Regina and Henry on their quest out of Storybrooke is interesting as well.  And can we just say how chaotic Storybrooke would be if Regina isn't there while Maleficent is. 

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    • Gusey1397 wrote:
      What if Cruella is from outside of Storybrooke and Regina and Henry meet her on their quest to find the book's author.

      Of all the fan theories, I like this one the best.... it is also, the most probable.

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    • Totally agree.  Someone mentioned above about Cruella being in England, and I remember reading the original story, which was absolutely much better than the movie (not that the movie was bad).  Having a Non-magical villian in the non-magical world would make sense and be totally awesome. And the last Hot seat interview indicated that the search for the Author would lead outside storybrooke, and I seem to also recall an earlier interview where they mentioned that, at some point, people might find out the ramifications of crossing the town line during Snow's 'Curse'.

      Maybe, if it is England, we might also see more of the Darlings. and Henry can adopt Perdita.

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    • Whatever the capacity, the theory, whatever the writers give me: if it's legit that we'll see Cruella, it'll be like a my OUAT dream come true.

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    • Cruella was confirmed by the actress on Twitter (talk about an oops! moment) and one theory suggests she might be a hunter of magical creatures (giving me Van Helsing vibes, honestly!) and that she might come into conflict with Maleficent, who can turn into a dragon.

      After Angelina Jolie's movie earlier this year, I doubt they'd make Once's Mal the big bad. Especially since she had so many opportunities to destroy many major characters in both regular Once and Wonderland before the Curse hit (Robin and Will for stealing from her, Will and Ana for using her looking glass portal, Rumple for sending Charming to shove True Love inside of her, Charming for fighting her, Belle and Mulan for freeing Philip from her Curse, Regina for threatening her Unicorn, etc.) she's never hurt anyone except for Philip, Aurora and her mother, so I don't think Mal is a villain at all. She didn't even fight Regina head on. If you look at their fight in 1x02, she was being DEFENSIVE, not OFFENSIVE. So Maleficent isn't really evil on Once.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Cruella was confirmed by the actress on Twitter (talk about an oops! moment)

      I think she took it down b/c I tried to the follow the link someone posted above. 

      happy dance!

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    • Gusey1397 wrote:
      What if Cruella is from outside of Storybrooke and Regina and Henry meet her on their quest to find the book's author.


      What if Curella IS the book author????

      Oh does this mean Purdetta will show up and her & Pongo will have puppies??? That'd be nice if the residents of SB had puppies. Henry could have one, Grumpy could have one, Belle could. Let's have some puppies....

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    • DarlingDavies wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Cruella was confirmed by the actress on Twitter (talk about an oops! moment)
      I think she took it down b/c I tried to the follow the link someone posted above. 

      happy dance!

      She definitely took it down. Spoilers and all.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      DarlingDavies wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Cruella was confirmed by the actress on Twitter (talk about an oops! moment)
      I think she took it down b/c I tried to the follow the link someone posted above. 

      happy dance!

      She definitely took it down. Spoilers and all.


      sad face!

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    • Oh no, can you imagine the PlayRadioPlay Batman & Robin when they discover a psychopath obsessed with fur coats and 2 different hair colors???? Hahah

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      DarlingDavies wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Cruella was confirmed by the actress on Twitter (talk about an oops! moment)
      I think she took it down b/c I tried to the follow the link someone posted above. 

      happy dance!

      She definitely took it down. Spoilers and all.

      Yeah, but not before the damage was done.  Enough fans saw the original link (I still have a retweet in my twitter feed) that the proverbial cat is out of the bag.

      Speaking of cats, anyone think that they will bring Cruella's cat in as well?  He was actually somewhat important to the story in the book.

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    • I get the feeling, just based on patterns of behavior, that anybody expecting Cruella to be a villain is going to end up being grossly mistaken. Adam and Eddy have proven that it is far more likely for them to take a character that people see a certain way and handling them in a fashion that is completely contrary to what people's expectations are, and, although they've deviated from that with the Frozen characters, I don't see them changing things all that much with any character who didn't come from that one particular film (since staying true to the characters as they appeared in the film was done for a very specific reason).

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Cruella was confirmed by the actress on Twitter (talk about an oops! moment) and one theory suggests she might be a hunter of magical creatures (giving me Van Helsing vibes, honestly!) and that she might come into conflict with Maleficent, who can turn into a dragon.


      Ohhhh i love that theory. Maybe she would want to hunt Pongo and other dalmatians as well because they are magical or possess something special. That would really work, and I'd love it if she was revealed to be the big bad for the next arc. I would love Malefecient to be a retired villain who might later turn into an anti-hero. 

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    • Did anybody besides me note/notice that the article that initially announced Victoria's casting referred to the person she was playing as an "iconic character" rather than as an "iconic villain"? Given the series' established patterns, I find that word distinction very significant and very telling.

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    • I heard on tumblr yesterday that a scene was filmed of Belle in Storybrooke and she is seen holding a dalmation puppy.

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    • Why does that not surprise me?

      Of course Belle is going to get a dog, that way She will have a doghouse available to send Rumple to. :)

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    • here

      E!Online is using the word villain.

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    • DarlingDavies wrote:
      here

      E!Online is using the word villain.

      Are we sure she's Cruella de Ville, couldn't she just be playing a woman with the name Cruella?

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    • No offense intended, but IS there any other woman named Cruella?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Xtian MadHatter wrote:
      Victoria confirmed she's playing Cruella De Vil on twitter! WOW! Wonders what her motive is. She cannot spend 11 episodes trying to take the fur of Pongo lol
      Well, Maleficent is able to turn into a dragon. While, Hook has been trying to skin Rumplestiltskin for centuries. There are plenty of magical beings, Cruella might want to target.

      Though, one would think that Victoria Smurfit would have a gag order in her contract, to prevent her form spilling the beans. Robbie Kay, Rebecca Mader, and Elizabeth Mitchell were not able to talk about who they were playing, until ABC made the offical announcements.

      She probably did have a gag order, but if she already filmed a scene, they are not going to fire her, she'll just get a slap on the wrist and be made to take the tweet down (which she did). Of course, it doesn't matter now, as everyone has already scene said tweet, which makes me think Victoria knew exactly what she was doing. It's not like most everybody didn't think she was Cruella anyway.

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    • DZAV21 wrote:
      So long as she's not Marry Poppins I'm good..... But that women has Villain written all over her, I loved her in Dracula. But while I think Curella is a great villain I have no idea how she would fit into OUAT. I mean her thing was kill puppies & fur coats. What could she do in SB? Skin people alive? Hunt Rumplestlskin? I might could see her as Morgan La Fey or Ursula. I could even see her as Jane from Tarzan. Oh how about Cinderella's stepmom?.... Nah that wouldn't work for her. Hmmm my OUAT spidie sciences are all in a tither over this one....

      Lady Tremaine was (most likely) already cast on Wonderland. Ana's mother was cast, and most people (myself included) believe Ana to be Cinderella's stepsister, so therefore Lady Tremaine was cast.

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    • Anubis16 wrote:
      DarlingDavies wrote:
      hereE!Online is using the word villain.
      Are we sure she's Cruella de Ville, couldn't she just be playing a woman with the name Cruella?

      Except the article said she's playing an iconic character. A random woman would not be iconic.

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    • Anubis16 wrote:
      DarlingDavies wrote:
      hereE!Online is using the word villain.
      Are we sure she's Cruella de Ville, couldn't she just be playing a woman with the name Cruella?


      Someone would really have to hate there kid to name her that.....

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    • DZAV21 wrote:
      Anubis16 wrote:
      DarlingDavies wrote:
      hereE!Online is using the word villain.
      Are we sure she's Cruella de Ville, couldn't she just be playing a woman with the name Cruella?

      Someone would really have to hate there kid to name her that.....

      my personal initial thought is she has a basic name like Jane or soemthing.  and that she earned the title Cruel Devil (Cruella DeVil) from one of her nasty actions.

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    • DarlingDavies wrote:
      DZAV21 wrote:
      Anubis16 wrote:
      DarlingDavies wrote:
      hereE!Online is using the word villain.
      Are we sure she's Cruella de Ville, couldn't she just be playing a woman with the name Cruella?

      Someone would really have to hate there kid to name her that.....
      my personal initial thought is she has a basic name like Jane or soemthing.  and that she earned the title Cruel Devil (Cruella DeVil) from one of her nasty actions.

      According to 102 Dalmations (the movie) her real name is Josephine, so you might be right. Cruella De Vil might be a name given by others or a name taken by her like Evil Queen or Wicked Witch or Queen of Hearts.

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    • Although, if you go back to the Dodie Smith story, 'De Ville' was her husbands name.  The house where all the puppies were held captive (nicknamed "Hell Hall") was the old De Ville manor. So, the De Ville part of her name was taken upon her marriage.

      Also, Anita (Missus Pongo's 'Pet') was a childhood friend of Cruella, and she referred to her a Cruella.  So, while the second movie might have a different name, the original material never mentioned it (or at least I don't remember it mentionining it).

      Now, random question, but are we going to get Anita and Missus?  

      BTW, Perdita was not Pongo's wife, though that is the name used in the Disney Animation. Perdita was actually a "Wet Nurse" dog, a liver spotted dalmation, that was found to help with nursing the puppies.

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    • If Anita makes the show, she may have to have a different name, too.  Wasn't Ruby's enemy named Anita back in one of her centric episodes?

      the possibilities for what they could do w/ Cruella are plentiful.  i just can't believe it's actually happeneing.

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    • Anita was Ruby's ennemy but also her mother ;)

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Anita was Ruby's ennemy but also her mother ;)


      Ya!  That's it!

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    • DarlingDavies wrote:
      If Anita makes the show, she may have to have a different name, too.  Wasn't Ruby's enemy named Anita back in one of her centric episodes?

      the possibilities for what they could do w/ Cruella are plentiful.  i just can't believe it's actually happeneing.

      Just going to say Anita was Red's mother, but Lady Junky beat me to it, lol. As long as Cruella is EF character though, I don't see a reason why she couldn't know Red's mom. It could explain why Anita hated non-werewolves, I'm sure Cruella would love a werewolf fur coat, which obviously Anita would not be okay with. Plus, it would be awesome to get more Red backstory (even if it is just through her mother).

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    • It would be the perfect twist if Cruella was a werewolf hunter back in the Enchanted Forest. Anita being the werewolf, just perfect.

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    • I was actually thinking of involving Ruby/Red in a slightly different way, and it would also involve Pongo.  First, Pongo was somebody important back in the EF, and Cruella (this time with Magical abilities) enchanted him to his current Dog form.

      While Pongo was missed, no one thought to check for enchanted dogs.  So Pongo has been trapped for these many years, including the curse. 

      Where Ruby fits in is, after one of her full moon jaunts, she encounters Pongo, and being a wolf she can communicate with Pongo directly.  She finds out his story, and then relays it to Snow and Emma.

      That's as far as I had gotten on that rabbit trail, the story could grow from that point.

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    • If Cruella is a hunter of magical creatures, what if Pongo has some great powerful magic hidden inside him and Cruella tries to obtain the power by skinning Pongo and making him into a coat that gives her the power.

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    • I've been thinking about how the Devil Women will make her first appearance and I've come up with a couple different ways...

      1. The end of the mid season final of course..... We are shown the SB asylum again where we see "A women" with 2 colored hair, doing her nails in one of the sells and manages to break out, find a fur coat and walks off. Or "someone" comes and let's her out, (possibly Maleficent or Rumple, maybe Regina who knows.) Anyway, they hand her a fur coat, she puts it on and walks off.

      2. Again the end of the mid season final.... We see Archie walking Pongo at night and they come across "a women" with 2 colored hair, long nails, high heels & a big fur coat who says "What a lovely dog... I just adore Spots." Archie is uneasyed but says Thank You anyway while Pongo starts to grawl. The women gives a wicked chuckle and walks off...


      What do you think? Anyother ideas????

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    • DZAV21 wrote:
      I've been thinking about how the Devil Women will make her first appearance and I've come up with a couple different ways...

      1. The end of the mid season final of course..... We are shown the SB asylum again where we see "A women" with 2 colored hair, doing her nails in one of the sells and manages to break out, find a fur coat and walks off. Or "someone" comes and let's her out, (possibly Maleficent or Rumple, maybe Regina who knows.) Anyway, they hand her a fur coat, she puts it on and walks off.

      2. Again the end of the mid season final.... We see Archie walking Pongo at night and they come across "a women" with 2 colored hair, long nails, high heels & a big fur coat who says "What a lovely dog... I just adore Spots." Archie is uneasyed but says Thank You anyway while Pongo starts to grawl. The women gives a wicked chuckle and walks off...


      What do you think? Anyother ideas????

      I like 2 better than 1. The only change I would suggest is that she would look normal, maybe just blonde hair, like the actress has. After all the curse changed any appearances to more normal (Gold, Archie, Superior, Zelena, etc.) for our world, so it would stand to reason if Cruella is cursed her unusual hair would change as well.

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    • I like option 2 add well. And I would just have her off to the side watching Archie and Pongo. And the hair should most definitely be two toned. One because it is her signature look. And two, given some of what I see in today's world, it's really not that unusual.

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    • 2 seems good, and yes I agree, two toned hair is not that weird compared to Zelena's green skin and Rumple's sparkly skin. Anyway I've been thinking, if she really is a hunter for magical being, then there's so many thing she would want to hunt and skin alive. Rumple (Crocodile) Maleficent (dragon) and perhaps even Regina and Emma. Like was mentioned before she could also be the reason why Ruby's mom Anita doesn't believe in non-werewolves for trying to skin them for their magical properties of turning into a wolf.

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    • No matter what story you use, Maleficent always kept her stuff together. She isn't emotional or envy of someone else like Zelena or Regina. In the show, she does seem laid back. If she is the big bad of 4B, it won't be out of vengeance. Maybe a spell or something that's making her act out. Like I said before, if she is the villain she will be redeemed unlike all of the ones we've had before.

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    • I thought I came up with a pretty good theory of Cruella being the third sister of the Snow Queen, but then I saw that role has already been cast and the character's name is Helga not Cruella or (as someone has said previously) Josephine...sigh... 

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    • Just thought of another way for her interdiction....


      What if Rumple has a fur coat in his shop, odds are good he does. And she breaks in, finds it, puts it on and walks out.....


      OH! The best way would be seeing the iconic Devill car slowly driving into SB. Or down mainstreet, stop, have her get out and see Pongo start barking.....

      They better bring the car because I freaking love that thing.

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    • Whatever Cruella brings, she better bring Horace and Jasper. And finally kill them for their ineptitude... We all know they weren't killed by her for one reason: family friendly film. But Regina, Cora, Jafar and Rumple have shown that bosses can kill their employees on this show.

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    • Do you guys know what this means? If 4A's slogan was "Storybrooke Has Frozen Over" then 4B's slogan will be "The Town Of Storybrooke Is Going To The Dogs!" Haha

      Everybody! "A Bow Wow Wow Bib E Oh Bib E A! Bow Wow Wow Bib E Oh Bib E A. Good Dog... Ohh. Whoh! Bow Wow Wow....."

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    • DZAV21 wrote:
      Do you guys know what this means? If 4A's slogan was "Storybrooke Has Frozen Over" then 4B's slogan will be "The Town Of Storybrooke Is Going To The Dogs!" Haha

      Everybody! "A Bow Wow Wow Bib E Oh Bib E A! Bow Wow Wow Bib E Oh Bib E A. Good Dog... Ohh. Whoh! Bow Wow Wow....."

      Oh god, that's so corny LOL I like it.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      DZAV21 wrote:
      Do you guys know what this means? If 4A's slogan was "Storybrooke Has Frozen Over" then 4B's slogan will be "The Town Of Storybrooke Is Going To The Dogs!" Haha

      Everybody! "A Bow Wow Wow Bib E Oh Bib E A! Bow Wow Wow Bib E Oh Bib E A. Good Dog... Ohh. Whoh! Bow Wow Wow....."

      Oh god, that's so corny LOL I like it.


      Haha well who doesn't know that song? :)

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      I've been waiting for a #Perdygo backstory for ages. I'm sure, Pongo is a real person and only Jiminy knows who he is, I wonder if Adam&Eddy would twist Pongo's EF counterpart as Roger "Red"wood, been Red/Ruby's father. It would also connect how Ruby could understand Pongo's dog-talk, not just cos of the wolf-thing. Get it, Ruby was named after her Dad, who was a wizard, the same one who gave Granny her Red-Hood. Hence why, Ruby is Little Red Riding Hood. Ta-da! Not only that, I want Cruella to be Granny's mother, cos on her profile page, Granny's mother is unknown, so there's a possibility they're related or that she's still alive and probably escaped the Dark Curse & Snow's Curse and is somehow The Writer. After all, in the books&tv anime series, Anita was Cruella's best friend, so to make it a twist on ONCE, have Cruella be Granny's longlost abusive-insane mother. We need more backstory on Pongo so this would all fit accordingly. As Red could most likely be Cruella's great-granddaughter. Everything has to be linked to their story as Anita is Granny's daughter and Little Red's mother. Since ONCE is a family show where everyone in Storybrooke is usually somehow related to one another, unless you're Henry's dysfunctional Dark&Royal family tree. This is the best way for Adam&Eddy to do this, cos then Jane Lynch could play a young-Granny in flashbacks, with Annabeth Gish returning as Anita pre-Dark Curse many years before her demise, holding a young-Red. I just want Perdygo reunited, it would explain why Roger was never in Red's life, bcos he changed his name to Pongo and met Perdita, Anita's longlost sister. LOL

      Granny's father; Mr. DeVille, then Cruella (if she's somehow, Granny's mother), then their 3 oldest sons, then Granny (could finally have a name, instead her EF name, Widow Lucas, she was born something like Amber as similar to Anita- as Red is Ruby/Roger) then her 3 younger brothers. I wonder if, two of Granny's brother turn out to be Jasper & Horace then Granny's husband, Mr. Lucas, whoever he is, (the wolf who killed her father and brothers, then turned her and made her cursed to the moon) is Perdita & Anita Lucas' father. Then Little Red/Ruby been Anita & (possibly Roger's) daughter... then there's Pongo, who could most likely be the SB counterpart of EF Roger. Who was a wizard as I said, the same one that made Granny that Enchanted RedHood. It did cost Granny an arm and a leg, but that could've just been a figure of speech.. and to top it all off, Perdita could've been given to Rumple as a child before Anita was born, as during Rumbelle's Burger date, she most likely made a deal with Rumple for her firstborn (Perdita??) Growing up she was afraid of what she was, she hated been a wolf, she hated Granny for giving her to TDO. Rumple could've given Perdy the nickname, Sultana, she called him Master, only he knew her secret 'cos they were close 'a distraction for Rumple even if he's still missing Bae. We all know, after Rumple's interaction with Pongo in S2, he's truly fond of dogs, he's had a few in his lifetime, Perdita could've also been one of them, meaning as Sultana. Since, you have to mix things up with either one of the main lead-villains. I'm choosing Rumple, for now. Sorry, EvilRegals. Then somehow Perdy finds out from Rumple, she has a grandmother named Cruella, who she soon refers to as That DeVil Woman after something goes tragically wrong, probably Perdita finds out Anita is dead. This could also add to why Anita hated non-werewolves (Humans, I mean), Perdita despised of been a Wolf, so she hates wolves as this could a good example of Sisterly Rivalry. So many good choices.

      Come on, this would beat Henry's side of family drama, or at least come in second to his family tree. And to end this on a good note, Cruella was responsible for starting The "Wolf vs. Human" Hunts on every full moon, for at least as old as Granny is. Since, we still don't know anything about Granny's backstory. This would be awesome. 'cos I do agree, that part about Anita depsising of humans so much, just make Cruella related to Granny/Anita & Red/Ruby already, just not to Henry. He's got enough branches on his family tree as it is, let's not have another branch on it. 'cos it's already confusing of who's who related to whoever.. oh nevermind.

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    • DZAV21 wrote:
      Do you guys know what this means? If 4A's slogan was "Storybrooke Has Frozen Over" then 4B's slogan will be "The Town Of Storybrooke Is Going To The Dogs!" Haha

      Everybody! "A Bow Wow Wow Bib E Oh Bib E A! Bow Wow Wow Bib E Oh Bib E A. Good Dog... Ohh. Whoh! Bow Wow Wow....."

      Or "Someone new has been spotted in Storybrooke".

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    • GROAN!!!!! Who let the dogs out?

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      GROAN!!!!!Who let the dogs out?


      "Who! Who! Who! Who!" :)

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    • I really think they can take a character like Cruella and do awesome things.  She's just a creep and that will be so fun to have someone bad to the bone appear. SQ's looking for family, Regina's changed her ways, Rumple is bad but has a heart for Belle and his family.  Zelana was pretty freaking bad and I loved her.  I think Cruella is the next heartless character and they can portray this in so many ways. 

      I love all those taglines.  The "Someone new has been spotted" might be my fav suggestion yet.  Another one that crossed my mind is, "Things are about to get black and white in Storybrook.".

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    • Do you think Cruella was part of the Home Office, I can sort of picture her wanting to kill magical talking dogs 

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    • I never thought I would say this, but I think I am looking forward to a Pongo flashback. I just get the feeling, now that they are bringing Cruella on board, that Adam and Eddy have a lot more in mind for the spotted pooch than just being Archie's best friend.  And really, why Archie, anyway? Particularly being a Dalmation, wouldn't Pongo be more at home at the Fire Station? (I know that's just a sterotype, but still). I'm not saying that there is more to the story, just feel like there could be more to the story.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      I never thought I would say this, but I think I am looking forward to a Pongo flashback. I just get the feeling, now that they are bringing Cruella on board, that Adam and Eddy have a lot more in mind for the spotted pooch than just being Archie's best friend.  And really, why Archie, anyway? Particularly being a Dalmation, wouldn't Pongo be more at home at the Fire Station? (I know that's just a sterotype, but still). I'm not saying that there is more to the story, just feel like there could be more to the story.


      a firestation would have been really cool.  very fitting.

      maybe he was paired w/ Archie b/c Archie was transformed from a cricket into a human?  so maybe for Pongo it was fitting to stay by his side?  one animal to another (well, insect)?  or maybe there will be no real connection other than when the 1st curse happened, Archie and Pongo just melded, not knowing any other way, since they had no memories.

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    • DarlingDavies wrote: I really think they can take a character like Cruella and do awesome things.  She's just a creep and that will be so fun to have someone bad to the bone appear. SQ's looking for family, Regina's changed her ways, Rumple is bad but has a heart for Belle and his family.  Zelana was pretty freaking bad and I loved her.  I think Cruella is the next heartless character and they can portray this in so many ways. 

      I love all those taglines.  The "Someone new has been spotted" might be my fav suggestion yet.  Another one that crossed my mind is, "Things are about to get black and white in Storybrook.".

      A huge change they could make for her is having Horace and Jasper actually be competent.

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    • I can actually picture Cruella living in Alice's world and I can also see her be connect with Ebneezer Scrooge somehow 

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    • I agree with making Horace and Jasper more competent.

      However, I am still pulling for CDV to be a big bad outside of storybrooke.  while nothing has been said, I could easily see this storyline leaving storybrooke and going to London (or other European locations). Reason being that many of the Fairy Tales originated in Europe. Brothers Grimm in Germany, Hans Christian Anderson in Denmark, Charles Perrault in France, James Barrie in England, etc). Even some of the legends, such as Robin Hood or Medusa, are of Europeon origin. So it would make sense (to me at least) if the trail took them through some of the origin locations of the fairy tales as we know them.

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    • I'm actually thinking that she is Briar Rose (Sleeping Beauty) seeing as she will appear as an iconic character in the Maleficent arc Don't know if anyone else already thought of this.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      I'm actually thinking that she is Briar Rose (Sleeping Beauty) seeing as she will appear as an iconic character in the Maleficent arc Don't know if anyone else already thought of this.


      and that is a good thought.  they should cast for Aurora's mom if they haven't already.  but w/ this specific casting, it appears it's definite that she's CDV.

      here

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    • DarlingDavies wrote:
      I really think they can take a character like Cruella and do awesome things.  She's just a creep and that will be so fun to have someone bad to the bone appear. SQ's looking for family, Regina's changed her ways, Rumple is bad but has a heart for Belle and his family.  Zelana was pretty freaking bad and I loved her.  I think Cruella is the next heartless character and they can portray this in so many ways. 

      I love all those taglines.  The "Someone new has been spotted" might be my fav suggestion yet.  Another one that crossed my mind is, "Things are about to get black and white in Storybrook.".

      Okay, it's official, ABC's marketing department needs to hire us. lol

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      DarlingDavies wrote:
      I really think they can take a character like Cruella and do awesome things.  She's just a creep and that will be so fun to have someone bad to the bone appear. SQ's looking for family, Regina's changed her ways, Rumple is bad but has a heart for Belle and his family.  Zelana was pretty freaking bad and I loved her.  I think Cruella is the next heartless character and they can portray this in so many ways. 

      I love all those taglines.  The "Someone new has been spotted" might be my fav suggestion yet.  Another one that crossed my mind is, "Things are about to get black and white in Storybrook.".

      Okay, it's official, ABC's marketing department needs to hire us. lol


      It'd definitely spice up my resume!!!

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    • Anubis16 wrote:
      I can actually picture Cruella living in Alice's world and I can also see her be connect with Ebneezer Scrooge somehow 

      I'm all for seeing more of Victorian England and Ebenezer Scrooge on this show, so however they have to do it, I'm good with.

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    • Anubis16 wrote: I can actually picture Cruella living in Alice's world and I can also see her be connect with Ebneezer Scrooge somehow 

      With Alice and Cyrus taking the place of Roger and Anita?

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    • YayMona wrote:

      Anubis16 wrote: I can actually picture Cruella living in Alice's world and I can also see her be connect with Ebneezer Scrooge somehow 

      With Alice and Cyrus taking the place of Roger and Anita?

      YES PLEASE. We need Alice and Cyrus, honestly. We know they got a happy ending, but we don't know how long they took until they got it. I hope they come to Storybrooke with Ana and the Rabbit.

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    • DZAV21 wrote: Have you guys seen this yet? http://darkcoragraph.tumblr.com/post/101850913575/cruella-is-coming

      I'm not sure if that's fake or not, but at least this Cruella's not fat!

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    • MagicKaty1 wrote:

      DZAV21 wrote: Have you guys seen this yet? http://darkcoragraph.tumblr.com/post/101850913575/cruella-is-coming

      I'm not sure if that's fake or not, but at least this Cruella's not fat!

      When has Cruella ever been fat?

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      MagicKaty1 wrote:

      DZAV21 wrote: Have you guys seen this yet? http://darkcoragraph.tumblr.com/post/101850913575/cruella-is-coming

      I'm not sure if that's fake or not, but at least this Cruella's not fat!

      When has Cruella ever been fat?

      True, every incarnation of Cruella has been thin. In fact in the original movie, she was practically a stick figure.

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    • Okay, I'm loving that outfit... the outfit makes me want her in the show. Not sure about her role though. She doesn't really seem the main antagonist type.

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    • YayMona wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      MagicKaty1 wrote:

      DZAV21 wrote: Have you guys seen this yet? http://darkcoragraph.tumblr.com/post/101850913575/cruella-is-coming

      I'm not sure if that's fake or not, but at least this Cruella's not fat!

      When has Cruella ever been fat?

      True, every incarnation of Cruella has been thin. In fact in the original movie, she was practically a stick figure.

      OH sorry! When I was thinking of Cruella, I accidentally thought of Ursula! Whoops!

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote: However, I am still pulling for CDV to be a big bad outside of storybrooke.  while nothing has been said, I could easily see this storyline leaving storybrooke and going to London (or other European locations). 

      According to new spoilers, the storyline is headed to New York again.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Hmcooper4 wrote: However, I am still pulling for CDV to be a big bad outside of storybrooke.  while nothing has been said, I could easily see this storyline leaving storybrooke and going to London (or other European locations). 

      According to new spoilers, the storyline is headed to New York again.

      What spoilers? Can you post a link?

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    • MagicKaty1 wrote:

      DZAV21 wrote: Have you guys seen this yet? http://darkcoragraph.tumblr.com/post/101850913575/cruella-is-coming

      I'm not sure if that's fake or not, but at least this Cruella's not fat!


      It's fake but I found it yesterday and thought it was cool.... Curella has never been fat. The cartoon was like a skeleton and the great & beautiful Glen Clause played her in the live actions.

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    • DZAV21 wrote:

      MagicKaty1 wrote:

      DZAV21 wrote: Have you guys seen this yet? http://darkcoragraph.tumblr.com/post/101850913575/cruella-is-coming

      I'm not sure if that's fake or not, but at least this Cruella's not fat!


      It's fake but I found it yesterday and thought it was cool.... Curella has never been fat. The cartoon was like a skeleton and the great & beautiful Glen Clause played her in the live actions.

      Yeah, I think we discussed this already :)

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    • I agree, where did you hear about the trip back to NY? all I have heard so far is that the trail for the Storybook Author will take them outside Storybrooke.  and that can mean just about anything. Back to the EF and Arendelle, over to Oz, Second Star to the Right, Through a Looking Glass, or as you said, to the New York City (and potentially other cities in the LWM).

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    • Or maybe they have to go all the way to Germany xD

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      DZAV21 wrote:
      I've been thinking about how the Devil Women will make her first appearance and I've come up with a couple different ways...

      1. The end of the mid season final of course..... We are shown the SB asylum again where we see "A women" with 2 colored hair, doing her nails in one of the sells and manages to break out, find a fur coat and walks off. Or "someone" comes and let's her out, (possibly Maleficent or Rumple, maybe Regina who knows.) Anyway, they hand her a fur coat, she puts it on and walks off.

      2. Again the end of the mid season final.... We see Archie walking Pongo at night and they come across "a women" with 2 colored hair, long nails, high heels & a big fur coat who says "What a lovely dog... I just adore Spots." Archie is uneasyed but says Thank You anyway while Pongo starts to grawl. The women gives a wicked chuckle and walks off...



      What do you think? Anyother ideas????

      I like 2 better than 1. The only change I would suggest is that she would look normal, maybe just blonde hair, like the actress has. After all the curse changed any appearances to more normal (Gold, Archie, Superior, Zelena, etc.) for our world, so it would stand to reason if Cruella is cursed her unusual hair would change as well.


      What if she wouldnt have came through with the curse. In the actual movie Cruella was living in a real city. She could be living in the same city as Alice is living in and that could possibly connect to the red queen who is said to appear in the secong half of the season.


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    • I Have another idea for the first apierence of Cruella

      1. A women is sitting in a chair. She has a cigarette in her mouth. She is looking at a picture of Pongo. Than she stands up. She walks out of the room. Than a man says: Where are you going? 

      Cruella answers: Storybrooke. I have some unfinished business whith someone there. Then she puts on here coat and walks out of the room in slow motion.

      2. Cruella is in a psycho clinic than Maleficient walks in and lets her out. Maleficient says: Hello sis. Havent seen you for a while!

      Cruella: How did you find me? Maleficient: I have my ways! Than Cruella walks out of the clinic with Maleficient.

      3. Regina finds out that Cruella wrote the Storybook.


      What did you think? Did you like my ideas?

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      YayMona wrote:

      Anubis16 wrote: I can actually picture Cruella living in Alice's world and I can also see her be connect with Ebneezer Scrooge somehow 

      With Alice and Cyrus taking the place of Roger and Anita?
      YES PLEASE. We need Alice and Cyrus, honestly. We know they got a happy ending, but we don't know how long they took until they got it. I hope they come to Storybrooke with Ana and the Rabbit.

      Let's be real here, after Will (already on the show) and Ana (already trying to work out getting on the show), the next likely Wonderland character to get on Once is Jafar, after all we still haven't seen Alladin or Jasmine on either show.

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    • Dominikkapus39 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      DZAV21 wrote:
      I've been thinking about how the Devil Women will make her first appearance and I've come up with a couple different ways...

      1. The end of the mid season final of course..... We are shown the SB asylum again where we see "A women" with 2 colored hair, doing her nails in one of the sells and manages to break out, find a fur coat and walks off. Or "someone" comes and let's her out, (possibly Maleficent or Rumple, maybe Regina who knows.) Anyway, they hand her a fur coat, she puts it on and walks off.

      2. Again the end of the mid season final.... We see Archie walking Pongo at night and they come across "a women" with 2 colored hair, long nails, high heels & a big fur coat who says "What a lovely dog... I just adore Spots." Archie is uneasyed but says Thank You anyway while Pongo starts to grawl. The women gives a wicked chuckle and walks off...



      What do you think? Anyother ideas????

      I like 2 better than 1. The only change I would suggest is that she would look normal, maybe just blonde hair, like the actress has. After all the curse changed any appearances to more normal (Gold, Archie, Superior, Zelena, etc.) for our world, so it would stand to reason if Cruella is cursed her unusual hair would change as well.


      What if she wouldnt have came through with the curse. In the actual movie Cruella was living in a real city. She could be living in the same city as Alice is living in and that could possibly connect to the red queen who is said to appear in the secong half of the season.


      Well if Cruella is in Victorian England, she's going to need to do some serious portal jumping to get to Storybrooke. Remember Victorian England is a totally different world, much like Wonderland, Oz, Neverland, Land withough Color, etc.

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    • Dominikkapus39 wrote:
      I Have another idea for the first apierence of Cruella

      1. A women is sitting in a chair. She has a cigarette in her mouth. She is looking at a picture of Pongo. Than she stands up. She walks out of the room. Than a man says: Where are you going? 

      Cruella answers: Storybrooke. I have some unfinished business whith someone there. Then she puts on here coat and walks out of the room in slow motion.

      2. Cruella is in a psycho clinic than Maleficient walks in and lets her out. Maleficient says: Hello sis. Havent seen you for a while!

      Cruella: How did you find me? Maleficient: I have my ways! Than Cruella walks out of the clinic with Maleficient.

      3. Regina finds out that Cruella wrote the Storybook.


      What did you think? Did you like my ideas?

      1 is the most interesting out of the 3, to me at least.

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    • The thought of Cruella putting on a Full length Mink coat and walking down the street of Storybrooke. Brings to mind Elsa's ice trail or Zelena's Yellow Brick road from the promo posters of the related seasons.

      In this case, Cruella is wearing the full lenght coat, which just drags the ground. It is evening time or night time.  Behind her is a path that is white with Black Spots.

      With the Catch Phrase "The Dogs are coming"

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    • Storybrooke is on the spot.

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    • "What's white with black spots? Watch all-new Once Upon A Time to find out."

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    • WinterWoodsGal wrote:
      "What's white with black spots? Watch all-new Once Upon A Time to find out."


      I've got one....... What is Black, White & Red all over???....... Curella if she invades Regina's closet like Zelena did.......

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Dominikkapus39 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      DZAV21 wrote:
      I've been thinking about how the Devil Women will make her first appearance and I've come up with a couple different ways...

      1. The end of the mid season final of course..... We are shown the SB asylum again where we see "A women" with 2 colored hair, doing her nails in one of the sells and manages to break out, find a fur coat and walks off. Or "someone" comes and let's her out, (possibly Maleficent or Rumple, maybe Regina who knows.) Anyway, they hand her a fur coat, she puts it on and walks off.

      2. Again the end of the mid season final.... We see Archie walking Pongo at night and they come across "a women" with 2 colored hair, long nails, high heels & a big fur coat who says "What a lovely dog... I just adore Spots." Archie is uneasyed but says Thank You anyway while Pongo starts to grawl. The women gives a wicked chuckle and walks off...



      What do you think? Anyother ideas????

      I like 2 better than 1. The only change I would suggest is that she would look normal, maybe just blonde hair, like the actress has. After all the curse changed any appearances to more normal (Gold, Archie, Superior, Zelena, etc.) for our world, so it would stand to reason if Cruella is cursed her unusual hair would change as well.


      What if she wouldnt have came through with the curse. In the actual movie Cruella was living in a real city. She could be living in the same city as Alice is living in and that could possibly connect to the red queen who is said to appear in the secong half of the season.


      Well if Cruella is in Victorian England, she's going to need to do some serious portal jumping to get to Storybrooke. Remember Victorian England is a totally different world, much like Wonderland, Oz, Neverland, Land withough Color, etc.

      I was always under the impression that 101 Dalmatians was from 1956 or '61 (depending on book or film - or later if you think of the live-acion films) so Victorian England just seems like to much of a stretch "backwards" in terms of the look of the period. and to me Cruella seems more of a LWM type character, whose mean opposed to magical.

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    • Kncooper wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Dominikkapus39 wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      DZAV21 wrote:
      I've been thinking about how the Devil Women will make her first appearance and I've come up with a couple different ways...

      1. The end of the mid season final of course..... We are shown the SB asylum again where we see "A women" with 2 colored hair, doing her nails in one of the sells and manages to break out, find a fur coat and walks off. Or "someone" comes and let's her out, (possibly Maleficent or Rumple, maybe Regina who knows.) Anyway, they hand her a fur coat, she puts it on and walks off.

      2. Again the end of the mid season final.... We see Archie walking Pongo at night and they come across "a women" with 2 colored hair, long nails, high heels & a big fur coat who says "What a lovely dog... I just adore Spots." Archie is uneasyed but says Thank You anyway while Pongo starts to grawl. The women gives a wicked chuckle and walks off...



      What do you think? Anyother ideas????

      I like 2 better than 1. The only change I would suggest is that she would look normal, maybe just blonde hair, like the actress has. After all the curse changed any appearances to more normal (Gold, Archie, Superior, Zelena, etc.) for our world, so it would stand to reason if Cruella is cursed her unusual hair would change as well.


      What if she wouldnt have came through with the curse. In the actual movie Cruella was living in a real city. She could be living in the same city as Alice is living in and that could possibly connect to the red queen who is said to appear in the secong half of the season.


      Well if Cruella is in Victorian England, she's going to need to do some serious portal jumping to get to Storybrooke. Remember Victorian England is a totally different world, much like Wonderland, Oz, Neverland, Land withough Color, etc.
      I was always under the impression that 101 Dalmatians was from 1956 or '61 (depending on book or film - or later if you think of the live-acion films) so Victorian England just seems like to much of a stretch "backwards" in terms of the look of the period. and to me Cruella seems more of a LWM type character, whose mean opposed to magical.

      It's tricky, I think it was odd that The Darling's were from our world, since they are fictional (although they we're just a normal British family of the time, so it makes sense to an extent), and I'm not sure I want to so more fictional characters originating in our world. Honestly, I could see them just make Cruella from the Enchanted Forest (so she'd be a medevil woman obsessed with furs), and her Storybrooke appearance would be more along the lines of a present day woman with clothes that reference the 50's-60's.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      after Will (already on the show) and Ana (already trying to work out getting on the show), the next likely Wonderland character to get on Once is Jafar

      The only way Jafar could return is if someone found a way to make a Portal to Wonderland and found his bottle, and with the only known methods of doing so (the Hat and the Rabbit) either gone completely or elsewhere, I don't see that happening, even with Will in Storybrooke.

      Also, everybody keeps wanting to see both Aladdin and Jasmine, but the latter would have to have her backstory heavily revised (given that we've already seen the Sultan of Agrabah and he had no children other than the bastard [literally and figuratively] Jafar) and we've already essentially seen the former in the person of Cyrus (who is Aladdin in all but name).

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    • I think I have the perfect way to tie all of the theories posted.

      What if Regina and Henry find a clue that leads them to Cruella, who is in New York or any other city. Then Henry starts by saying that they come from Storybrooke and would like to know if she knows anything about the book's author, when Henry mentions Storybrooke she starts to listen closely to what they have to say.

      Cruella would know about the book, because she has been obsessed about magic, since she was dragged to the Enchanted Forest with her fiancé when they fell in the sewer while walking in the city, just like in the movie Enchanted, which was a portal that only opens every 1000 years. When they arrived they are sent to Rumplestiltskin to help them go back to LWM. Rumple in exchange for that tasked them to hide the egg in Maleficent, but they failed and Cruella's fiance died when fighting Maleficent in dragon form. Cruella returned to Rumple so that he could revive him, but obviously he wasn't able to do that, Cruella swore she would get vengeance for his fiance’s death. After Regina cast the curse she was not transported to Storybrooke because LWM is her world, so she woke up at her house just like Regina did in Storybrooke. She got obsessed about magic and wanted to get revenge, she got crazy and then we got the story we know about the dalmatians.

      Now that she knows that Storybrooke is real, she wants to go there and skin every magical creature, especially Maleficent who just happens to be alive after all and wants to get revenge after everything she has suffered. This hatred against magic would make her a huntress of magical creatures.

      So the second half of the season would be Cruella VS Magical creatures and beings, Cruella VS Maleficent and Maleficent VS Storybrooke.

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    • No disrespect to Victoria but I just realized how much her last name sounds like "Smuffette." Now I have a picture of a little blue creepy creature dressed as Curella Devill in my head.....

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    • Baelfire24 wrote:

      I think I have the perfect way to tie all of the theories posted.

      What if Regina and Henry find a clue that leads them to Cruella, who is in New York or any other city. Then Henry starts by saying that they come from Storybrooke and would like to know if she knows anything about the book's author, when Henry mentions Storybrooke she starts to listen closely to what they have to say.

      Cruella would know about the book, because she has been obsessed about magic, since she was dragged to the Enchanted Forest with her fiancé when they fell in the sewer while walking in the city, just like in the movie Enchanted, which was a portal that only opens every 1000 years. When they arrived they are sent to Rumplestiltskin to help them go back to LWM. Rumple in exchange for that tasked them to hide the egg in Maleficent, but they failed and Cruella's fiance died when fighting Maleficent in dragon form. Cruella returned to Rumple so that he could revive him, but obviously he wasn't able to do that, Cruella swore she would get vengeance for his fiance’s death. After Regina cast the curse she was not transported to Storybrooke because LWM is her world, so she woke up at her house just like Regina did in Storybrooke. She got obsessed about magic and wanted to get revenge, she got crazy and then we got the story we know about the dalmatians.

      Now that she knows that Storybrooke is real, she wants to go there and skin every magical creature, especially Maleficent who just happens to be alive after all and wants to get revenge after everything she has suffered. This hatred against magic would make her a huntress of magical creatures.

      So the second half of the season would be Cruella VS Magical creatures and beings, Cruella VS Maleficent and Maleficent VS Storybrooke.

      Wow !!! :) I love it 

      I hope she will be the huntress 

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    • I'm just terrified about how they'll make her related to Henry. The kid already has how many villains in his family? (The Evil Queen, 1. Rumplestiltskin, 2. Captain Hook, 3. The Queen of Hearts, 4. The Wicked Witch of the West, 5. I guess since Peter Pan was a villain on the show he's 6. And The Snow Queen was Em's foster mom and also wants to make her her sister so she can be counted as 7 somehow.) Ok so Henry has 7 villains he's related to, what the Hell they may as well through Curella in somewhere..... Before you know it, Hades and Ogie Boggie will show up in his pedigree..... Gezz!

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    • DZAV21 wrote:
      I'm just terrified about how they'll make her related to Henry. The kid already has how many villains in his family? (The Evil Queen, 1. Rumplestiltskin, 2. Captain Hook, 3. The Queen of Hearts, 4. The Wicked Witch of the West, 5. I guess since Peter Pan was a villain on the show he's 6. And The Snow Queen was Em's foster mom and also wants to make her her sister so she can be counted as 7 somehow.) Ok so Henry has 7 villains he's related to, what the Hell they may as well through Curella in somewhere..... Before you know it, Hades and Ogie Boggie will show up in his pedigree..... Gezz!

      he's not realted to Hook ... yet (and even so it would only be through marriage. The Snow Queen is related to Emma either so it's more like 5) I think the snow queen plans to destroy the town so her foster "grandson/nephew" won't exist in her perfect world and it'll just be her,emma and elsa. and some of those villains have or are trying to be good.

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    • DZAV21 wrote:
      I'm just terrified about how they'll make her related to Henry. The kid already has how many villains in his family? (The Evil Queen, 1. Rumplestiltskin, 2. Captain Hook, 3. The Queen of Hearts, 4. The Wicked Witch of the West, 5. I guess since Peter Pan was a villain on the show he's 6. And The Snow Queen was Em's foster mom and also wants to make her her sister so she can be counted as 7 somehow.) Ok so Henry has 7 villains he's related to, what the Hell they may as well through Curella in somewhere..... Before you know it, Hades and Ogie Boggie will show up in his pedigree..... Gezz!

      No offense but out if everybody here I think I have seen you nag about this whole Henry family tree the most. We get it, you don't want everybody to be related to Henry. We don't want it either. Move along now. 

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    • I think Cruella work in animal shop in Storybrooke.

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    • Is Cruella planned as a major character throughout the arc? Because I also could see her as a one-ep character.

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    • Daveyelmer wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      after Will (already on the show) and Ana (already trying to work out getting on the show), the next likely Wonderland character to get on Once is Jafar
      The only way Jafar could return is if someone found a way to make a Portal to Wonderland and found his bottle, and with the only known methods of doing so (the Hat and the Rabbit) either gone completely or elsewhere, I don't see that happening, even with Will in Storybrooke.

      Also, everybody keeps wanting to see both Aladdin and Jasmine, but the latter would have to have her backstory heavily revised (given that we've already seen the Sultan of Agrabah and he had no children other than the bastard [literally and figuratively] Jafar) and we've already essentially seen the former in the person of Cyrus (who is Aladdin in all but name).

      The bottle was transported just as Cyrus and his brothers bottles were. My theory is the bottle was transported to EF and found by Aladdin during the missing year. So Jafar is Aladdin's genie. Aladdin, being rather naive, and Jafar, being rather cunning, manipulates Aladdin in an effort to get free from the bottle. His plan finally works sometime after everyone has been transported back to Storybrooke, and Jafar can now be a major villian. As far as Jasmine, the Sultan never said he didn't have a daughter, it's just he only had one legitimate son (Murzir). The way they were doing Agrabah, I doubt a female heir would be allowed to rule, so that's why she never came up. Also, I think Aladdin would play very different that Cyrus, although I see a few similarities.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      Is Cruella planned as a major character throughout the arc? Because I also could see her as a one-ep character.

      The role was said to be recurring, it doesn't mean it has to be the whole arc though, it could just be like 3 to 4 episodes.

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    • Maybe Curella will be like Regina, Rumple, & Killian.. Eventually become a simi redeemed villain, find her TL & become a Nevenger?....... Nahhh.....

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    • Okay, totally random, but when I read Victoria's last name for the first time I thought they were adding Smurfette to OUAT. I would probably smash my TV if that happened xD

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    • MagicKaty1 wrote:
      Okay, totally random, but when I read Victoria's last name for the first time I thought they were adding Smurfette to OUAT. I would probably smash my TV if that happened xD


      Haha thank goodness I wasn't the only one... Go back a few post and you'll see I posted almost the same thing. You and I think in sync. :)

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    • MagicKaty1 wrote:
      Okay, totally random, but when I read Victoria's last name for the first time I thought they were adding Smurfette to OUAT. I would probably smash my TV if that happened xD

      Smurfette isn't a Disney property, nor is it a fairy tale character. We're good. :)

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    • DZAV21 wrote:

      MagicKaty1 wrote:
      Okay, totally random, but when I read Victoria's last name for the first time I thought they were adding Smurfette to OUAT. I would probably smash my TV if that happened xD


      Haha thank goodness I wasn't the only one... Go back a few post and you'll see I posted almost the same thing. You and I think in sync. :)

      I was thinking the same thing! Wow, we do think in sync! :)

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    • What she wants?

      What destroy and horrible thing?I think bring another curse or somenthing evil.

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    • Colette French wrote:
      Baelfire24 wrote:

      I think I have the perfect way to tie all of the theories posted.

      What if Regina and Henry find a clue that leads them to Cruella, who is in New York or any other city. Then Henry starts by saying that they come from Storybrooke and would like to know if she knows anything about the book's author, when Henry mentions Storybrooke she starts to listen closely to what they have to say.

      Cruella would know about the book, because she has been obsessed about magic, since she was dragged to the Enchanted Forest with her fiancé when they fell in the sewer while walking in the city, just like in the movie Enchanted, which was a portal that only opens every 1000 years. When they arrived they are sent to Rumplestiltskin to help them go back to LWM. Rumple in exchange for that tasked them to hide the egg in Maleficent, but they failed and Cruella's fiance died when fighting Maleficent in dragon form. Cruella returned to Rumple so that he could revive him, but obviously he wasn't able to do that, Cruella swore she would get vengeance for his fiance’s death. After Regina cast the curse she was not transported to Storybrooke because LWM is her world, so she woke up at her house just like Regina did in Storybrooke. She got obsessed about magic and wanted to get revenge, she got crazy and then we got the story we know about the dalmatians.

      Now that she knows that Storybrooke is real, she wants to go there and skin every magical creature, especially Maleficent who just happens to be alive after all and wants to get revenge after everything she has suffered. This hatred against magic would make her a huntress of magical creatures.

      So the second half of the season would be Cruella VS Magical creatures and beings, Cruella VS Maleficent and Maleficent VS Storybrooke.

      Wow !!! :) I love it 

      I hope she will be the huntress 



      WHAT IF Cruella is actually a muggle like what everybody said but then somehow she found the lamp where Jafar was trapped. So the first wish is such that she becomes magical. The second being "Give me a friend with strong magic", which Jafar granted by giving her Maleficent. but then I don't know how it will be tied up to Wonderland arc LOL

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    • Anubis16 wrote:
      I can actually picture Cruella living in Alice's world and I can also see her be connect with Ebneezer Scrooge somehow 



      Talking about connection, I can see that Cruella can be connected to that evil lady from the rescuer. You know that red haired lady who kept screaming to Penny to get the diamond from the swamp?

      God she used to freak me out. Granted I am in my 20s, when I was a kid my grandfather had an old projector from the World War era. And some night, he would play that movie projected to the whole wall. She always freaked me out when she started yelling at Penny. 

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    • Teehee.heehee.9 wrote:
      Anubis16 wrote:
      I can actually picture Cruella living in Alice's world and I can also see her be connect with Ebneezer Scrooge somehow 


      Talking about connection, I can see that Cruella can be connected to that evil lady from the rescuer. You know that red haired lady who kept screaming to Penny to get the diamond from the swamp?

      God she used to freak me out. Granted I am in my 20s, when I was a kid my grandfather had an old projector from the World War era. And some night, he would play that movie projected to the whole wall. She always freaked me out when she started yelling at Penny. 

      You mean Madame Medusa? Cruella was SUPPOSED to be the villain from The Rescuers but then they created Madame Medusa using Cruella as a base (for example, Cruella's love for diamonds was never showcased in 101 Dalmations, but it was given to Madame Medusa)...

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    • Yes Madam Medusa.....No wonder there is an eerie similarity between her character and Cruella's. 

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    • While I love The Rescuers that lady's makeup was enough to give me nightmares...

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    • She was freaky. I remember that movie too. I also remember that hunter dude from the sequel movie. He wasn't as iconic, but still could be used on OUAT to replace Gaston. He was also a hunter in those Disney movies, but is currently dead after being turned into a rose and cut by Belle.

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    • I love The Recuers Down Under more then the first movie. What those mice do to that bird still makes me almost crack a rib laughing to this day.

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    • Teehee.heehee.9 wrote:

      Colette French wrote:
      Baelfire24 wrote:

      I think I have the perfect way to tie all of the theories posted.

      What if Regina and Henry find a clue that leads them to Cruella, who is in New York or any other city. Then Henry starts by saying that they come from Storybrooke and would like to know if she knows anything about the book's author, when Henry mentions Storybrooke she starts to listen closely to what they have to say.

      Cruella would know about the book, because she has been obsessed about magic, since she was dragged to the Enchanted Forest with her fiancé when they fell in the sewer while walking in the city, just like in the movie Enchanted, which was a portal that only opens every 1000 years. When they arrived they are sent to Rumplestiltskin to help them go back to LWM. Rumple in exchange for that tasked them to hide the egg in Maleficent, but they failed and Cruella's fiance died when fighting Maleficent in dragon form. Cruella returned to Rumple so that he could revive him, but obviously he wasn't able to do that, Cruella swore she would get vengeance for his fiance’s death. After Regina cast the curse she was not transported to Storybrooke because LWM is her world, so she woke up at her house just like Regina did in Storybrooke. She got obsessed about magic and wanted to get revenge, she got crazy and then we got the story we know about the dalmatians.

      Now that she knows that Storybrooke is real, she wants to go there and skin every magical creature, especially Maleficent who just happens to be alive after all and wants to get revenge after everything she has suffered. This hatred against magic would make her a huntress of magical creatures.

      So the second half of the season would be Cruella VS Magical creatures and beings, Cruella VS Maleficent and Maleficent VS Storybrooke.

      Wow !!! :) I love it 

      I hope she will be the huntress 



      WHAT IF Cruella is actually a muggle

      Wait, are we gettin into Harry Potter here?

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    • He already appeared in my Wattpad Jelsa Fan fic, so I guess it could work... But if he is appearing why not throw in Katniss and Edward while they're at it. XD

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    • Dan Fox wrote:
      She was freaky. I remember that movie too. I also remember that hunter dude from the sequel movie. He wasn't as iconic, but still could be used on OUAT to replace Gaston. He was also a hunter in those Disney movies, but is currently dead after being turned into a rose and cut by Belle.

      We assume Gaston is dead, but he could easily be legless. Maybe he somehow survived in Rumple's castle until the Curse, where he'd stay in the Storybrooke Hospital, then went back to the EF as a legless hunter. LOL

      And "Muggle" is just shorthand for "Land Without Magic resident". Much more simple to say.

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    • Look at what I found.... the first spoiler picture of Cruella De Vil.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Look at what I found.... the first spoiler picture of Cruella De Vil.

      OH MY GOD YES

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    • Cruella de Vil!!! I see two toned hair, I see (faux) fur! Yes yes! Can't wait for Heroes and Villains to be honest!

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    • The Red-Orange-Fuschia-Queen wrote:
      Cruella de Vil!!! I see two toned hair, I see (faux) fur! Yes yes! Can't wait for Heroes and Villains to be honest!

      That image is from today, and they are filming 4.12.

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    • Enlighten to the new spoiler pic..... Ladies & Gentlemen I give you the future of Storybrooke.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmctOFN4erk

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      The Red-Orange-Fuschia-Queen wrote:
      Cruella de Vil!!! I see two toned hair, I see (faux) fur! Yes yes! Can't wait for Heroes and Villains to be honest!
      That image is from today, and they are filming 4.12.

      Whoppps. I see. Then we'll have to wait for 4B then, but this is looking promising!

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Look at what I found.... the first spoiler picture of Cruella De Vil.

      She looks so good! Once never disappoints!

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Look at what I found.... the first spoiler picture of Cruella De Vil.

      She looks so good! Once never disappoints!

      I am so happy! And wasn't there a spoiler photo of Belle holding a Dalmation puppy? maybe it's my imagination running wild, but I remember someone posting a link...

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    • MagicKaty1 wrote:

      Teehee.heehee.9 wrote:

      Colette French wrote:
      Baelfire24 wrote:

      I think I have the perfect way to tie all of the theories posted.

      What if Regina and Henry find a clue that leads them to Cruella, who is in New York or any other city. Then Henry starts by saying that they come from Storybrooke and would like to know if she knows anything about the book's author, when Henry mentions Storybrooke she starts to listen closely to what they have to say.

      Cruella would know about the book, because she has been obsessed about magic, since she was dragged to the Enchanted Forest with her fiancé when they fell in the sewer while walking in the city, just like in the movie Enchanted, which was a portal that only opens every 1000 years. When they arrived they are sent to Rumplestiltskin to help them go back to LWM. Rumple in exchange for that tasked them to hide the egg in Maleficent, but they failed and Cruella's fiance died when fighting Maleficent in dragon form. Cruella returned to Rumple so that he could revive him, but obviously he wasn't able to do that, Cruella swore she would get vengeance for his fiance’s death. After Regina cast the curse she was not transported to Storybrooke because LWM is her world, so she woke up at her house just like Regina did in Storybrooke. She got obsessed about magic and wanted to get revenge, she got crazy and then we got the story we know about the dalmatians.

      Now that she knows that Storybrooke is real, she wants to go there and skin every magical creature, especially Maleficent who just happens to be alive after all and wants to get revenge after everything she has suffered. This hatred against magic would make her a huntress of magical creatures.

      So the second half of the season would be Cruella VS Magical creatures and beings, Cruella VS Maleficent and Maleficent VS Storybrooke.

      Wow !!! :) I love it 

      I hope she will be the huntress 



      WHAT IF Cruella is actually a muggle

      Wait, are we gettin into Harry Potter here?


      Lol No. Like somebody said on the top, muggle is just an easier way to address people without magic. 

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    • What if cruella is Emma's froster home friend? Or she,Mr gold and the sea goddess and malficient have a connection....like they all had done deals with rumple or they are seeking revenge?

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    • I wonder, if Cruella's first interaction with Belle holding a dalmatian puppy she says,

      • Cruella: Oh my! I think I'm seeing spots.
      • Belle: Thank you, I just brought him.
      • Cruella: What a wonderful, doggie. He's lucky to have you.

      then she walks off, but keeps turning around and seeing the little thing, then somehow walks back into the PetShelter and flips the OPEN sign to CLOSED, then says... "Well, that's one down. 98 more to go!" --- which most likely means, she could have Perdita. bc Cruella holds up a pink dog-collar with Perdita's name on it as she goes to back and down to the basement she calls 'Hell Hall', all 97 puppies are seen in huge cages, she says "Now! Who wants to be drowned, next?!" I just want her to NOT only have a connection with Pongo, but also with Granny, Anita/Roger & Ruby. If she was responsible for making Granny a widow, it would be confirmed that it was Cruella that started the Wolf/Human hunts, when Granny blamed her for her families death, then her husbands. bc then during the missing year, Pongo could've met Perdita.. and then Perdy's had like the original tale, 15 puppies just before Snow's curse was cast and once again, Pongo was separated from his Perdy, the one Belle is holding, is Lucky. So unless, Pongo turns out to be Perdita's Prince from the novel, who was a real person like Roger... then this could work. I think, since Lucky&Cadpig were the runts of both versions/litter the novel& the film adaptations. Instead by drowning Lucky, she sold him to Belle, as a favor for Rumple, if his wife was distracted she woudn't know what he was doing with her&Ursula. Makes sense.

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    • Here are my 5 theories :

      1.Cruella is the huntress of magical creatures, but mostly werewolves :3 That's when Granny and Ruby come in

      2.Cruella is actually a werewolf and she needs a dalmatian fur coat to calm her just like Ruby's hood

      3.Cruella is Perdita turned into a human. She makes a deal with Gold or something to turn Pongo back into a human

      4.Cruella is Anita's sister or somehow related with her

      5. Cruella is actually Anita (Perdita's owner) and Pongo is Roger

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    • Colette French wrote:
      Here are my 5 theories :

      1.Cruella is the huntress of magical creatures, but mostly werewolves :3 That's when Granny and Ruby come in

      2.Cruella is actually a werewolf and she needs a dalmatian fur coat to calm her just like Ruby's hood

      3.Cruella is Perdita turned into a human. She makes a deal with Gold or something to turn Pongo back into a human

      4.Cruella is Anita's sister or somehow related with her

      5. Cruella is actually Anita (Perdita's owner) and Pongo is Roger

      My theory about Pongo know that you mention it is that he was once a dog turned into a human, we know the Dark Curse did not affect animals (except previously human animals like Jiminy) and he became a human again in Strorybrooke, so I think the curse affected Pongo because he was a human, but his curse was that he would be a dog again in Stroybrooke like he was before 

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    • I guess 4B will clear up whether or not Pongo was ever in the EF or not. We know he wasn't exactly a product of the curse, unlike Regina's Apple tree, which was shown to be dying at the end of S1, but Pongo wasn't dying.

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    • Dan Fox wrote:
      I guess 4B will clear up whether or not Pongo was ever in the EF or not. We know he wasn't exactly a product of the curse, unlike Regina's Apple tree, which was shown to be dying at the end of S1, but Pongo wasn't dying.

      Regina's Apple Tree was not a product of her curse. It was from the courtyard of her palace, and she brought it over.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Dan Fox wrote:
      I guess 4B will clear up whether or not Pongo was ever in the EF or not. We know he wasn't exactly a product of the curse, unlike Regina's Apple tree, which was shown to be dying at the end of S1, but Pongo wasn't dying.
      Regina's Apple Tree was not a product of her curse. It was from the courtyard of her palace, and she brought it over.

      Exactly. No living thing in Storybrooke was a product of the Curse. Plants presumably were left intact from the forest, pets like Pongo were certainly animals (or people) from the afflicted realms and obviously the people were as well. But I've never understood why Regina's tree was dying. It wasn't linked to the Curse, or magical, in any way. She just brought it over. It's never even been confirmed that the Apple was from her tree.

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    • Maybe the apple tree was linked to the curse because that tree seemed to live longer that most apple trees would, so I think the tree was kept alive by magic and because there wasn't a lot of magic in Storybrooke in S1, the magic from the Dark Curse kept the tree healthy and when the curse was weakening, the tree started to die. If you notice in 1x02, Regina picks an apple and looks at it confused. The apples were already looking a little darker than usual. And in 2x02, all the apples were black until Regina inhaled the magical vapors from the spell book.

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    • WorldHopper22 wrote:
      Maybe the apple tree was linked to the curse because that tree seemed to live longer that most apple trees would, so I think the tree was kept alive by magic and because there wasn't a lot of magic in Storybrooke in S1, the magic from the Dark Curse kept the tree healthy and when the curse was weakening, the tree started to die. If you notice in 1x02, Regina picks an apple and looks at it confused. The apples were already looking a little darker than usual. And in 2x02, all the apples were black until Regina inhaled the magical vapors from the spell book.

      Wait, how long does a Granny Smith tree live? Or a Honeycrisp tree? The first is what kind of apples they actually use are, and the second are what Regina claims they are.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      WorldHopper22 wrote:
      Maybe the apple tree was linked to the curse because that tree seemed to live longer that most apple trees would, so I think the tree was kept alive by magic and because there wasn't a lot of magic in Storybrooke in S1, the magic from the Dark Curse kept the tree healthy and when the curse was weakening, the tree started to die. If you notice in 1x02, Regina picks an apple and looks at it confused. The apples were already looking a little darker than usual. And in 2x02, all the apples were black until Regina inhaled the magical vapors from the spell book.
      Wait, how long does a Granny Smith tree live? Or a Honeycrisp tree? The first is what kind of apples they actually use are, and the second are what Regina claims they are.

      The tree was not dying from old age. The tree is linked to Regina magically, so as her curse (the only magic she had) was being broken by Emma, Regina's tree reflected this. Then Gold brought magic to Storybrooke, which meant Regina could use magic again, so her tree reflected this.

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    • XOXO:P wrote:
      I wonder, if Cruella's first interaction with Belle holding a dalmatian puppy she says,
      • Cruella: Oh my! I think I'm seeing spots.
      • Belle: Thank you, I just brought him.
      • Cruella: What a wonderful, doggie. He's lucky to have you.

      then she walks off, but keeps turning around and seeing the little thing, then somehow walks back into the PetShelter and flips the OPEN sign to CLOSED, then says... "Well, that's one down. 98 more to go!" --- which most likely means, she could have Perdita. bc Cruella holds up a pink dog-collar with Perdita's name on it as she goes to back and down to the basement she calls 'Hell Hall', all 97 puppies are seen in huge cages, she says "Now! Who wants to be drowned, next?!" I just want her to NOT only have a connection with Pongo, but also with Granny, Anita/Roger & Ruby. If she was responsible for making Granny a widow, it would be confirmed that it was Cruella that started the Wolf/Human hunts, when Granny blamed her for her families death, then her husbands. bc then during the missing year, Pongo could've met Perdita.. and then Perdy's had like the original tale, 15 puppies just before Snow's curse was cast and once again, Pongo was separated from his Perdy, the one Belle is holding, is Lucky. So unless, Pongo turns out to be Perdita's Prince from the novel, who was a real person like Roger... then this could work. I think, since Lucky&Cadpig were the runts of both versions/litter the novel& the film adaptations. Instead by drowning Lucky, she sold him to Belle, as a favor for Rumple, if his wife was distracted she woudn't know what he was doing with her&Ursula. Makes sense.

      However, Lucky was not one of the runts.  Cadpig actually died during the whelping, and Roger managed to ressucitate him.  He (or was it She, I don't remember clearly) was clearly a weaker pup, and required special attention from Roger.

      Lucky got his name after his spots came in, because of the special formation his spots made (he essentially had a horseshoe on his back).  Lucky and Patch were pretty much the ringleaders of Pongo and Missus litter.

      Also, Perdita's Prince was not a Human.  When he is finally introduced at the end of the book, he turns out to be the 101st dalmation. and another liver spotted one.  Also, 8 of Perdita's litter were in the puppies rescued form Hell Hall. So that Family was also reunited.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      XOXO:P wrote:
      I wonder, if Cruella's first interaction with Belle holding a dalmatian puppy she says,
      • Cruella: Oh my! I think I'm seeing spots.
      • Belle: Thank you, I just brought him.
      • Cruella: What a wonderful, doggie. He's lucky to have you.

      then she walks off, but keeps turning around and seeing the little thing, then somehow walks back into the PetShelter and flips the OPEN sign to CLOSED, then says... "Well, that's one down. 98 more to go!" --- which most likely means, she could have Perdita. bc Cruella holds up a pink dog-collar with Perdita's name on it as she goes to back and down to the basement she calls 'Hell Hall', all 97 puppies are seen in huge cages, she says "Now! Who wants to be drowned, next?!" I just want her to NOT only have a connection with Pongo, but also with Granny, Anita/Roger & Ruby. If she was responsible for making Granny a widow, it would be confirmed that it was Cruella that started the Wolf/Human hunts, when Granny blamed her for her families death, then her husbands. bc then during the missing year, Pongo could've met Perdita.. and then Perdy's had like the original tale, 15 puppies just before Snow's curse was cast and once again, Pongo was separated from his Perdy, the one Belle is holding, is Lucky. So unless, Pongo turns out to be Perdita's Prince from the novel, who was a real person like Roger... then this could work. I think, since Lucky&Cadpig were the runts of both versions/litter the novel& the film adaptations. Instead by drowning Lucky, she sold him to Belle, as a favor for Rumple, if his wife was distracted she woudn't know what he was doing with her&Ursula. Makes sense.

      However, Lucky was not one of the runts.  Cadpig actually died during the whelping, and Roger managed to ressucitate him.  He (or was it She, I don't remember clearly) was clearly a weaker pup, and required special attention from Roger.

      Lucky got his name after his spots came in, because of the special formation his spots made (he essentially had a horseshoe on his back).  Lucky and Patch were pretty much the ringleaders of Pongo and Missus litter.

      Also, Perdita's Prince was not a Human.  When he is finally introduced at the end of the book, he turns out to be the 101st dalmation. and another liver spotted one.  Also, 8 of Perdita's litter were in the puppies rescued form Hell Hall. So that Family was also reunited.

      Okay, that part about Prince, I had to read my previous post, before I understood what you said. But you're right at the end of the book he does become 101th Dalmatian. I didn't mean for Lucky to be one of the runts, okay I should've said one of the weaker ones. Until Roger revived him, that's also another thing. If A&E make him Little Red's Dad, then it would be complete. I mean, you can't have Anita as Ruby's mother and not Roger as her father. But if he turns out to be also SB Pongo, then where the heck is Perdita. But if Perdita is also Cruella, then I guess that could work too. I remember watching the animated TV series, it was one of my favorites growing up where it was the last 2 episodes when Anita&Roger aren't really married, so it would be funny if Cruella was married to Roger, after Anita died just as Regina cast The Dark Curse, then was separated from Roger. then not only would Henry's family tree be messed up, but so would Granny's... her oldest enemy who ruined her life, took and married her son-in-law. Okay. That's enough. :)

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