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  • Well, of course it cold be a clever trick putted there in order to confuse us, but... i think is no coincidence that the episode The Snow Queen is featuring two new characters, a man and a woman. We all know The Snow Queen tale so, who else could it be?

    Also, I think it would be way too cool if the Snow Queen was actually Gerda's sister, and the attack on Kai wasn't any kind of accident.

    Theory time! :D!

    (PS: Excuse my poor writing. English is not my frist language)

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    • What if Gerda is the Snow Queen's sister and they were both in love with Kai and the Snow Queen became jealous and placed a curse on Kai, it would be even more interesting if Kai and Gerda were Elsa and Anna's parents and the Snow Queen cursed Elsa with powers similar to hers in a manner similar to how Maleficent cursed Sleeping Beauty 

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    • I would love to see Kai and Gerda!!! I really like that they mix original fairy tale characters with the newer Frozen ones! 

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    • Aren't Kai and Gerda already in the Frozen film? Plus the desciption for the male character fits more for one of Hans' brothers.

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    • The more of the original fairytale they get into the Frozen arc, the happier I am. :3

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    • What if Gerda IS the Snow Queen, though?

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      What if Gerda IS the Snow Queen, though?

      She could have turned evil after she, like Elsa, froze the one she loved, Kai...

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    • I like that!

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    • Dr. Kangaroo wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      What if Gerda IS the Snow Queen, though?
      She could have turned evil after she, like Elsa, froze the one she loved, Kai...

      Or in true Once fashion, she was evil because of Kai himself being a coward or something, then she fought with Rumple, and tricked him into thinking Elsa was her.

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    • I'm liking the Gera and Snow Queen sister thing. Although she probably wouldn't have caused the death of Gerda and Kai, she might take her revenge by ruining the lives of their daughters. Which also gives a motive for her to freeze the town.

      And how more of Snow Queen appears the happier I am. I like both versions, but also like the connection they make between them.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:

      And how more of Snow Queen appears the happier I am. I like both versions, but also like the connection they make between them.

      I totally agree with you on this! XD

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    • I have been wondering if maybe Elsa and Anna's parents are Kai and Gerda... I have no proof, but maybe it's possible?

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    • Billyc84 wrote:
      I have been wondering if maybe Elsa and Anna's parents are Kai and Gerda... I have no proof, but maybe it's possible?

      Their names are already known. They could be Kai and Gerda, but they wouldn't be called that. The Queen is named Idun, and I forgot the King's name...

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    • It's possible, since Snow and Red are in fact Snow White and Rose Red.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Billyc84 wrote:
      I have been wondering if maybe Elsa and Anna's parents are Kai and Gerda... I have no proof, but maybe it's possible?

      Their names are already known. They could be Kai and Gerda, but they wouldn't be called that. The Queen is named Idun, and I forgot the King's name...

      Agdar

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Billyc84 wrote:
      I have been wondering if maybe Elsa and Anna's parents are Kai and Gerda... I have no proof, but maybe it's possible?
      Their names are already known. They could be Kai and Gerda, but they wouldn't be called that. The Queen is named Idun, and I forgot the King's name...

      Anna and Elsas parents {According to the movie} are named Queen Idunn, and King Adagar, with Queen Idunn being the heir that married Adagar I assume. As Adagar does not seem native to that area to me.

      But the thought of seeing Gerda and Kai in real life {lets see, we got Elsa, Anna, Kristoff, Sven, Hans, two of Hans Brothers, Queen Idunn, King Adagar {who looks alarmingly like my cousin except in voice} and recently Oaken} just makes me happy inside!

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    • Teyilia wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Billyc84 wrote:
      I have been wondering if maybe Elsa and Anna's parents are Kai and Gerda... I have no proof, but maybe it's possible?
      Their names are already known. They could be Kai and Gerda, but they wouldn't be called that. The Queen is named Idun, and I forgot the King's name...

      Anna and Elsas parents {According to the movie} are named Queen Idunn, and King Adagar, with Queen Idunn being the heir that married Adagar I assume. As Adagar does not seem native to that area to me.

      But the thought of seeing Gerda and Kai in real life {lets see, we got Elsa, Anna, Kristoff, Sven, Hans, two of Hans Brothers, Queen Idunn, King Adagar {who looks alarmingly like my cousin except in voice} and recently Oaken} just makes me happy inside!

      King Agdar! Not Adagar, where in the EF did you get that name from.

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    • WinterWoodsGal wrote:

      Teyilia wrote:


      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Billyc84 wrote:
      I have been wondering if maybe Elsa and Anna's parents are Kai and Gerda... I have no proof, but maybe it's possible?
      Their names are already known. They could be Kai and Gerda, but they wouldn't be called that. The Queen is named Idun, and I forgot the King's name...
      Anna and Elsas parents {According to the movie} are named Queen Idunn, and King Adagar, with Queen Idunn being the heir that married Adagar I assume. As Adagar does not seem native to that area to me.

      But the thought of seeing Gerda and Kai in real life {lets see, we got Elsa, Anna, Kristoff, Sven, Hans, two of Hans Brothers, Queen Idunn, King Adagar {who looks alarmingly like my cousin except in voice} and recently Oaken} just makes me happy inside!

      King Agdar! Not Adagar, where in the EF did you get that name from.

      The films wiki, its spelled ADAGAR, though pronounced Adgar. So I can see the confusion, its both the same guy anyhow. Though personally I am more partial to King Christophe myself.

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    • Teyilia wrote:

      WinterWoodsGal wrote:

      Teyilia wrote:


      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Billyc84 wrote:
      I have been wondering if maybe Elsa and Anna's parents are Kai and Gerda... I have no proof, but maybe it's possible?
      Their names are already known. They could be Kai and Gerda, but they wouldn't be called that. The Queen is named Idun, and I forgot the King's name...
      Anna and Elsas parents {According to the movie} are named Queen Idunn, and King Adagar, with Queen Idunn being the heir that married Adagar I assume. As Adagar does not seem native to that area to me.

      But the thought of seeing Gerda and Kai in real life {lets see, we got Elsa, Anna, Kristoff, Sven, Hans, two of Hans Brothers, Queen Idunn, King Adagar {who looks alarmingly like my cousin except in voice} and recently Oaken} just makes me happy inside!

      King Agdar! Not Adagar, where in the EF did you get that name from.

      The films wiki, its spelled ADAGAR, though pronounced Adgar. So I can see the confusion, its both the same guy anyhow. Though personally I am more partial to King Christophe myself.

      G before d, dearie. And on the Disney Wiki, it is spelt Agdar. That's how the runes are read.

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    • WinterWoodsGal wrote:

      G before d, dearie.

      See, very easy to confuse for me. *shrugs*

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Billyc84 wrote:
      I have been wondering if maybe Elsa and Anna's parents are Kai and Gerda... I have no proof, but maybe it's possible?
      Their names are already known. They could be Kai and Gerda, but they wouldn't be called that. The Queen is named Idun, and I forgot the King's name...

      It's only in Frozen, not in the OUAT universe. It could be different names.

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    • WinterWoodsGal wrote:

      on the Disney Wiki, it is spelt Agdar. That's how the runes are read.

      I have the font {Angarthas} and it came out Adagar on my screen. I'll have to look again though; in the book he didn't even have a name but Idun did. Weird.

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    • Teyilia wrote:
      WinterWoodsGal wrote:

      on the Disney Wiki, it is spelt Agdar. That's how the runes are read.

      I have the font {Angarthas} and it came out Adagar on my screen. I'll have to look again though; in the book he didn't even have a name but Idun did. Weird.

      We'll have to agree to disagree, dearie.

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    • Child of the Moon7 wrote:
      I would love to see Kai and Gerda!!! I really like that they mix original fairy tale characters with the newer Frozen ones! 

      While I doubt Gerda and Kai will appear on OUaT, there might be an allusion to their story with some of the main characters.

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    • WinterWoodsGal wrote:
      Teyilia wrote:
      WinterWoodsGal wrote:

      on the Disney Wiki, it is spelt Agdar. That's how the runes are read.

      I have the font {Angarthas} and it came out Adagar on my screen. I'll have to look again though; in the book he didn't even have a name but Idun did. Weird.
      We'll have to agree to disagree, dearie.

      Yep, guess so.

      But back on the topic; if Gerda and Kai do join the cast for one or two episodes, What do you supposed they'd look like ?

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    • SenatorSilver wrote:
      Aren't Kai and Gerda already in the Frozen film? Plus the desciption for the male character fits more for one of Hans' brothers.

      Yes Kai and Gerda are actually the head of the castle staff from what I recall, though I could be wrong, Kai is the one that told the Duke off Weselton that Elsa cut off trade with that country but called it Weasltown. I think Gerda was with him and was the one that asked Kai ti spin her on the ice rink.

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    • No, Elsa is both Kai (the person who leaves) and the titular Snow Queen, while Anna is Gerda (the one who follows), with Pabbie being the troll, Kristoff being the Robber Girl, and Sven being Bae the Reindeer. Not that hard to figure it out. Once might bring Kai and Gerda as additional characters but in terms of Frozen canon, that's exactly who they are; Elsa and Anna.

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    • So, if Gerda is Elsa and Anna's mother, is Kai their father? Or is Kai going to be "arrogant prince" in the next episode?

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    • I am always under the impression that Kai is their butler. Might just be me though

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    • So Idun is the original Gerda... I guess Agdar must be the original Kai, then. Makes sense why Elsa and Anna would later follow in their footsteps.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      So, if Gerda is Elsa and Anna's mother, is Kai their father? Or is Kai going to be "arrogant prince" in the next episode?

      Could be both

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    • Depending on when they flashback, Agdar could still be the Prince of Arendelle.

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    • Teyilia wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Billyc84 wrote:
      I have been wondering if maybe Elsa and Anna's parents are Kai and Gerda... I have no proof, but maybe it's possible?
      Their names are already known. They could be Kai and Gerda, but they wouldn't be called that. The Queen is named Idun, and I forgot the King's name...
      Anna and Elsas parents {According to the movie} are named Queen Idunn, and King Adagar, with Queen Idunn being the heir that married Adagar I assume. As Adagar does not seem native to that area to me.

      But the thought of seeing Gerda and Kai in real life {lets see, we got Elsa, Anna, Kristoff, Sven, Hans, two of Hans Brothers, Queen Idunn, King Adagar {who looks alarmingly like my cousin except in voice} and recently Oaken} just makes me happy inside!

      There is no coronation picture of Idunn in Frozen, only Agdar. And Elsa, being the heir, was next and therefore most likely got a coronation picture taken (off-screen). Unless OUAT changes that, it won't be different on the show.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      No, Elsa is both Kai (the person who leaves) and the titular Snow Queen, while Anna is Gerda (the one who follows), with Pabbie being the troll, Kristoff being the Robber Girl, and Sven being Bae the Reindeer. Not that hard to figure it out. Once might bring Kai and Gerda as additional characters but in terms of Frozen canon, that's exactly who they are; Elsa and Anna.

      Yeah, but Gerda and Kai are also two different characters in Frozen, some people from castle staff.

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    • Brzoskwinia wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      No, Elsa is both Kai (the person who leaves) and the titular Snow Queen, while Anna is Gerda (the one who follows), with Pabbie being the troll, Kristoff being the Robber Girl, and Sven being Bae the Reindeer. Not that hard to figure it out. Once might bring Kai and Gerda as additional characters but in terms of Frozen canon, that's exactly who they are; Elsa and Anna.
      Yeah, but Gerda and Kai are also two different characters in Frozen, some people from castle staff.

      Correct; Kai was the head butler {He is the one that read Elsas proclamaition to the Duke of Weselton}, Gerda was head of castle staff directly and oversaw everything from keeping the place clean to making sure Elsa had everything she needed before waking up at any given time

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    • But in the OUaT version they're not. They don't literally take everything from Frozen, they just take the important things.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      But in the OUaT version they're not. They don't literally take everything from Frozen, they just take the important things.

      This is true; certain details in the OUaTverse are differnet from the Frozenverse directly

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    • Teyilia wrote:
      Brzoskwinia wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      No, Elsa is both Kai (the person who leaves) and the titular Snow Queen, while Anna is Gerda (the one who follows), with Pabbie being the troll, Kristoff being the Robber Girl, and Sven being Bae the Reindeer. Not that hard to figure it out. Once might bring Kai and Gerda as additional characters but in terms of Frozen canon, that's exactly who they are; Elsa and Anna.
      Yeah, but Gerda and Kai are also two different characters in Frozen, some people from castle staff.
      Correct; Kai was the head butler {He is the one that read Elsas proclamaition to the Duke of Weselton}, Gerda was head of castle staff directly and oversaw everything from keeping the place clean to making sure Elsa had everything she needed before waking up at any given time

      Well to be fair, they could be named after those characters as a shout out to the original tale, but they are most certainly NOT those characters. It's like the sea goddess being named Ursula, when the Ursula from the movie turned out to be Regina in disguise. Regina = Ursula, but Ursula herself =/= Ursula.

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    • Anna/Elsa's parents are Gerda and Kai Think Mind Blown! Pooh*

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    • I can't wait to see kai and Gersa and their connection with Snow Queen.

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    • Gerda is in fact the name of Elsa's and Anna's mom in OUAT. Grand Pable and Elsa confirmed that last week.

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    • Avatar Alpha wrote:
      Gerda is in fact the name of Elsa's and Anna's mom in OUAT. Grand Pable and Elsa confirmed that last week.

      In OUAT yes that is correct, we've established that. I for one want to see how it plays out

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Teyilia wrote:
      Brzoskwinia wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      No, Elsa is both Kai (the person who leaves) and the titular Snow Queen, while Anna is Gerda (the one who follows), with Pabbie being the troll, Kristoff being the Robber Girl, and Sven being Bae the Reindeer. Not that hard to figure it out. Once might bring Kai and Gerda as additional characters but in terms of Frozen canon, that's exactly who they are; Elsa and Anna.
      Yeah, but Gerda and Kai are also two different characters in Frozen, some people from castle staff.
      Correct; Kai was the head butler {He is the one that read Elsas proclamaition to the Duke of Weselton}, Gerda was head of castle staff directly and oversaw everything from keeping the place clean to making sure Elsa had everything she needed before waking up at any given time

      Well to be fair, they could be named after those characters as a shout out to the original tale, but they are most certainly NOT those characters. It's like the sea goddess being named Ursula, when the Ursula from the movie turned out to be Regina in disguise. Regina = Ursula, but Ursula herself =/= Ursula.

      There is a real Ursula in OUAT. She threatens Regina.

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    • Mesmermann wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Teyilia wrote:
      Brzoskwinia wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      No, Elsa is both Kai (the person who leaves) and the titular Snow Queen, while Anna is Gerda (the one who follows), with Pabbie being the troll, Kristoff being the Robber Girl, and Sven being Bae the Reindeer. Not that hard to figure it out. Once might bring Kai and Gerda as additional characters but in terms of Frozen canon, that's exactly who they are; Elsa and Anna.
      Yeah, but Gerda and Kai are also two different characters in Frozen, some people from castle staff.
      Correct; Kai was the head butler {He is the one that read Elsas proclamaition to the Duke of Weselton}, Gerda was head of castle staff directly and oversaw everything from keeping the place clean to making sure Elsa had everything she needed before waking up at any given time

      Well to be fair, they could be named after those characters as a shout out to the original tale, but they are most certainly NOT those characters. It's like the sea goddess being named Ursula, when the Ursula from the movie turned out to be Regina in disguise. Regina = Ursula, but Ursula herself =/= Ursula.

      There is a real Ursula in OUAT. She threatens Regina.

      Did you even read Edwards post?

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    • Mesmermann wrote:

      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:

      Teyilia wrote:
      Brzoskwinia wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      No, Elsa is both Kai (the person who leaves) and the titular Snow Queen, while Anna is Gerda (the one who follows), with Pabbie being the troll, Kristoff being the Robber Girl, and Sven being Bae the Reindeer. Not that hard to figure it out. Once might bring Kai and Gerda as additional characters but in terms of Frozen canon, that's exactly who they are; Elsa and Anna.
      Yeah, but Gerda and Kai are also two different characters in Frozen, some people from castle staff.
      Correct; Kai was the head butler {He is the one that read Elsas proclamaition to the Duke of Weselton}, Gerda was head of castle staff directly and oversaw everything from keeping the place clean to making sure Elsa had everything she needed before waking up at any given time
      Well to be fair, they could be named after those characters as a shout out to the original tale, but they are most certainly NOT those characters. It's like the sea goddess being named Ursula, when the Ursula from the movie turned out to be Regina in disguise. Regina = Ursula, but Ursula herself =/= Ursula.

      There is a real Ursula in OUAT. She threatens Regina.

      He's saying Once's Sea Goddess Ursula does not equal Disney's Ursula, but Once's Regina Disguised As Ursula does equal Disney's Ursula. It's kind of a weird concept, so I understand the confusion, but I get what he's saying.

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    • Does everyone have to be so snarky and mean to one another in these posts? How do you expect to educate anyone with that kind of attitude?

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