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  • First and foremost, I like battles between things, im a harry potter, star wars, comic kinda guy, so sorry for these threads but, between Nyx and Jaberwokey who would likely be the victor in a spar? and further more is the dark one above their power level?

    On a final note, if they are not, would you say that nyx and jaberwokey are about on par with the ice queen? I just have this hunch about thier general abilities.

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    • Nyx is kind of like fate. She doesn't battle. Jabberwocky can use fear but we have little idea to what Elsa can do. The dark one is more powerful than Jabberwocky and probably mor powerful than Elsa.

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    • Without belle as a weakness, the dark one would definitely be more powerful than the Jabberwocky. But with her, I don't know, but probably not. And for some reason, I don't find Elsa to be somewhat of a threat (however when she arrives that could change when she arrives). I feel like she can only freeze things, unless they give her more powers, which isn't very powerful.

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    • Creating weapons and shields out of ice, freezing people to death, creating a blizzard so strong they couldn't even look at her. Not very powerful? Oh and creating frozen soldiers (marshmallow from the movie anyone?)

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    • Im sure if he felt threatened enough the dark one could produce insane feats, recall emma or someone implying he could level the town? he is clearly stronger than what we have seen of him, i see no reason why he couldn't just teleport elsa to a volcano or someting, sure her ice is tough, but with great enough intensity, any ice can melt, and if anyone can forge fire that great, i'm sure rumpel could, Elsa has Ice, sure perhaps she could exist as water or vapour but i don't think thats very credible, the dark one has power over many elements and if pissed, could likely slaughter every other magic user with no effort, he is named strongest of the nine realms for good reason, Ela's hype is just that, hype, she was trapped in the dark ones vault, so it's klikely that he put her there.

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    • Princepurple wrote: Im sure if he felt threatened enough the dark one could produce insane feats, recall emma or someone implying he could level the town? he is clearly stronger than what we have seen of him, i see no reason why he couldn't just teleport elsa to a volcano or someting, sure her ice is tough, but with great enough intensity, any ice can melt, and if anyone can forge fire that great, i'm sure rumpel could, Elsa has Ice, sure perhaps she could exist as water or vapour but i don't think thats very credible, the dark one has power over many elements and if pissed, could likely slaughter every other magic user with no effort, he is named strongest of the nine realms for good reason, Ela's hype is just that, hype, she was trapped in the dark ones vault, so it's klikely that he put her there.

      Um, she did exist as water for many years. The urn anyone?

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    • that seemed more like liquid ice, and even so, rumpel is just too versatile compared to Elsa, there are too many ways he could destroy her, he was brought into the show as the ultimate big bad who turned out to have a heart, i don't see them passing him due to some over hyped film that gained a fanbase, elsa will have half a season, and be gone, the dark one is forever, the ice queen seems to be just the next pan, regina, zalena, cora, temporary fix of main threat, but the dark one is the the most terrible yet never been defeated.

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    • Princepurple wrote: that seemed more like liquid ice, and even so, rumpel is just too versatile compared to Elsa, there are too many ways he could destroy her, he was brought into the show as the ultimate big bad who turned out to have a heart, i don't see them passing him due to some over hyped film that gained a fanbase, elsa will have half a season, and be gone, the dark one is forever, the ice queen seems to be just the next pan, regina, zalena, cora, temporary fix of main threat, but the dark one is the the most terrible yet never been defeated.

      Uh, liquid ice is water. And I never said the dark one is more powerful.

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    • Princepurple wrote:
      First and foremost, I like battles between things, im a harry potter, star wars, comic kinda guy, so sorry for these threads but, between Nyx and Jaberwokey who would likely be the victor in a spar? and further more is the dark one above their power level?

      On a final note, if they are not, would you say that nyx and jaberwokey are about on par with the ice queen? I just have this hunch about thier general abilities.

      Interesting question.  I can't speak to anything regarding Nyx or Jaberwokey powers, as I'm not up to speed.

      But for an ice queen such as Elsa, I imagine she would lose in a spar.  Only b/c the Elsa we know from Frozen only has the power of makign snow/ice, with the capability of freezing/unfreezing. Someone like Regina or Zelena would assumedly be able to counter that in a spar with a spell, I figure. 

      Actually, another advantage Elsa has is her "wild card" factor.  Sometimes she can't control her powers(again, thinking of what I know from the movie).  That is something to fear and could intimidate any sparring opponent.

      In the end, I don't see Elsa coming out on top of anyone who has the power of magic and confidence.

      So, a little off topic.  But maybe some food for thought!

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    • nah, its the comment i was looking for actually, i do think it's her unstability which is her danger, anyone crossing her may unexpectedly get hit, and due to her immense and potentially catastrophic nature, she should be avoided and likely would be feared by the cast, but if push came to shove, elsa would not hold out very long if any of the main powers were really prepared.

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    • Good points.  Ya, the fact that Rumple put her in a place where he hid things that even he couldn't  understand....It says a lot.

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    • yeah, her power he diddnt understand so she needed locking up, but its almost like she was a weapon of sorts that he could unleash if needed under a rumpa manipulated scenario

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    • The only one who managed to play on the Dark One's fear, was Pan and Felix. More so, Pan. Regina kind of did too, but it didn't really do much. 

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    • I think the Jabberwocky could kill Rumple with his fear of losing Belle, his child and his power. Even if he lost Belle, he would still fear losing his power. While Jafar isn't as powerful as Rumple, he is still very strong but he was paralyzed by the Jabberwocky's presence. 

      When Jafar altered the laws of magic, he became even more powerful than both the Jabberwocky and Rumplestiltsin but the Nyx still stopped him with ease. The Nyx is probably more powerful than all three.

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    • news flash, Jabber does not stand a chance against Rumple. Rumple simply conjurs the Vorpal Blade, and She is dealt with.  Sure she might get a blow in with the whole "Fear" thing, but Rumple won't put up with it, and will quickly remove it. Also, Jabber has not the power to Kill the Dark One, unless she were to obtain the dagger.

      Nyx is somewhat of an enigma, but I would agree that she may be above Rumple. but I don't think that Nyx kills. She punishes. and there may not be any greater punishment than being stuck as the Dark One.

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    • Nyx is basically a Fate. So I'd imagine she's on par with Hades. Jabberwocky could easily paralyze cowardly Rumple with her fear powers, but the second she lets up, he'll kill her unless he doesn't know about the Vorpal Blade, which I doubt he would, since that appears to be before his time, and more around Nimue's.

      Ice Queen? Do you mean Elsa or Ingrid? Ingrid could easily go toe-to-toe with Jabberwocky, she seems to have control over her emotions, but Elsa falls apart at the slightest pin drop, so she'd shatter.

      Rumple, we have to remember, stole the powers and basically souls of all the previous Dark Ones, so he's Rumple times 20. He won't ever outmatch a god like Hades or Nyx, but he's the next best thing.

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    • I wouldn't put Hades on par with Nyx. Hades was killed with the olympian crystal. The question is. Can Nyx be killed? Even changing the laws of magic was not enough for Jafar to stop her.

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