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  • OK, she was not first in line to be queen, but did Henry just stop being a prince? Did Xavier's kingdom bankruptcy? Also, Cora could make gold, why did not she build a castle, become queen and all, if that was her greatest ambition?

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    • I also really didn't understand that. She was shown to be wealthy as she did have a stable boy, horses and possibly a farm or something. But how come they didn't live in a castle? It was something that also confused me.

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    • The castle probably went bankrupt or was given to someone else, where Henry,Cora, and a very young Regina were tossed out of the castle, but given enough funds to get a decent home that was above the peasants. I say a very young Regina, because she was shown in front of a whole crowd, as a baby in 2.16, but in 1.18, seemed to be completely clueless about etiquette and royal knowledge. And my theory on how Cora became poor to begin with, was because she had a mother (Hopefully Morgana Le Fay) that was the main source of income, then left her and her father, causing him to become a miller and a drunk, causing Cora's unpleasant childhood.

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    • "bankrupt" But she MAKES GOLD

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    • But she didn't want to make an entire place out of gold. She was spending all of her energy planning out her revenge on Eva, so she needed all the energy she could use.

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    • I don't think the Mills family were poor, just no longer royalty. Somehow King Xavier lost his kingdom which Regina was supposed to inherit (maybe Eva had something to do with it), and that is something that we have not found out the reason for yet.

      As to why Cora didn't just use her powers to conquer her own kingdom, maybe she wants legitimacy instead of being viewed as an usurper.

      I always thought that if all Cora wanted was power, she should have chosen Rumple. Between the two of them, they could probably conquer half of the Enchanted Forest or more.

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    • Being a prince or princess doesn't mean you'll be a king or queen. It just means you are the child or an heir of a monarch. Prince Henry was 5th in line for the throne, anyone ahead of them had babies and they get pushed further and further from the throne. As for the money, I agree she would save her magic for trying to elevate her daughter.

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    • Poor? How were they poor? They lived in a giant house with a stable. Compare it to David and Ruth's home, THEY were poor.

      He was a lesser son who married a miller's daughter - I can't imagine Xavier had four other castles to give one to each of his children XD. And you don't have to live in a castle to be a prince/princess.

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    • Utter solitude wrote:
      Poor? How were they poor?


      Considering Cora could spin straw into gold and was conspiring to become royalty, one would think she would set her home up to look as much like a kings castle and dress the family in a similiar manner. While Cora's family doesn't look "peasant poor" she might read as "nobility poor" (I thought they looked well off personaly).

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    • I don't know if I'd call her "poor" in any sense. I would assume the house they lived in was part of the royal estate, and she lived very, very comfortably. Just because she can make gold, doesn't mean she did or should have.

      I always assumed she put all her efforts into making Regina a queen.

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    • Utter solitude wrote:
      I don't know if I'd call her "poor" in any sense. I would assume the house they lived in was part of the royal estate, and she lived very, very comfortably. Just because she can make gold, doesn't mean she did or should have.

      I always assumed she put all her efforts into making Regina a queen.



      ^ This. Cora didn't care for fortune she only wanted power (and maybe a little revenge against Eva) and thus she did everything she could to make her daughter a queen which would give her enormous power given how great manipulator she was.

      And she wasn't poor by any means, not everyone has to live in a castle to be considered rich or royalty.

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    • I've always had a theory that Xavier went to war with Leopold's father and was defeated, resulting in bankruptcy. This would have prompted Cora to make a deal with Rumpelstiltskin who gave her and her husband a life as nobles in exchange for...something. Thoughts? Comments? Concerns? 

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    • ONCEFan wrote: I've always had a theory that Xavier went to war with Leopold's father and was defeated, resulting in bankruptcy. This would have prompted Cora to make a deal with Rumpelstiltskin who gave her and her husband a life as nobles in exchange for...something. Thoughts? Comments? Concerns? 

      Interesting theory, but I don't quite get the purpose of it. XD

      "Nobles?" They're royalty living a cushy life in a beautiful, large manor.

      .....Why does everyone seem to think they should be living in a castle, and since they're not, they must be broke? Where do ya'll think that castle was gonna come from? XD

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    • Look at Elsa she can summon castles out of the ground so why can't Cora xD

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    • Image? You don't look a gift horse in the mouth, after all.

      I doubt Cora really cared. She was focused on her revenge and making her daughter a queen.

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    • That comment was just a joke ^^

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    • XD

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    • Toma Cre wrote:
      As to why Cora didn't just use her powers to conquer her own kingdom, maybe she wants legitimacy instead of being viewed as an usurper.

      I don't think she cared about that when she took power in Wonderland, honestly. I doubt she took an unoccupied vast chunk of land, put people in it and said "I'm your queen, worship me." Also, anyone else want a "The Evil Queen"-style episode showing how Cora got her throne in Wonderland and if she was a good queen?

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Toma Cre wrote:
      As to why Cora didn't just use her powers to conquer her own kingdom, maybe she wants legitimacy instead of being viewed as an usurper.
      I don't think she cared about that when she took power in Wonderland, honestly. I doubt she took an unoccupied vast chunk of land, put people in it and said "I'm your queen, worship me." Also, anyone else want a "The Evil Queen"-style episode showing how Cora got her throne in Wonderland and if she was a good queen?


      Yes I do. I'm always asking about how she became the Queen of Hearts so an Evil Queen style flashback episode is already long overdue and it really is a must-have. And I also agree that she didn't care about being a usurper because all her life she wanted power and when she was banished to Wonderland, I think she thought that she'll make herself a Queen in this new land simply by ripping everyone's hearts out, and on Regina's wedding day she did tell her that she would form a personal guard letting everyone know where the power lies and that she would hold the hearts of the people in her hand, a lesson she took in Wonderland, at least I like to think that she did.

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Toma Cre wrote:
      As to why Cora didn't just use her powers to conquer her own kingdom, maybe she wants legitimacy instead of being viewed as an usurper.
      I don't think she cared about that when she took power in Wonderland, honestly. I doubt she took an unoccupied vast chunk of land, put people in it and said "I'm your queen, worship me." Also, anyone else want a "The Evil Queen"-style episode showing how Cora got her throne in Wonderland and if she was a good queen?

      I think I discovered the only thing which I may like about Will being in the main show. They could do a flashback involving Cora again. 

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    • The reason they didn't live in the castle is because not all royal family members get to live there only king, queen, prince/ princess, and prince/ princess kids/grand kids and so on Not brothers and sisters or cousins Xavier died and Henry's oldest sibling became head royal Can't have sibs in the castle

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote:
      Toma Cre wrote:
      As to why Cora didn't just use her powers to conquer her own kingdom, maybe she wants legitimacy instead of being viewed as an usurper.
      I don't think she cared about that when she took power in Wonderland, honestly. I doubt she took an unoccupied vast chunk of land, put people in it and said "I'm your queen, worship me." Also, anyone else want a "The Evil Queen"-style episode showing how Cora got her throne in Wonderland and if she was a good queen?
      I think I discovered the only thing which I may like about Will being in the main show. They could do a flashback involving Cora again. 

      If they did, it wouldn't explain her rise to power. Only his brief time with her as her Knave of hearts (which means Hat Trick takes place after To Catch A Thief, since Cora's new Knave is in both Hat Trick and Queen Of Hearts, which are definitely late in the pre-Curse storyline) And honestly, I'd much rather see Alice, Rabbit, Ana and Cyrus in his flashbacks rather than Cora. Cora's death was a horrible mistake, honestly.

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    • Exactly.  They weren't King & Queen, but they were Land Owners, and therefore Nobility.  Probably something on the order of Count/Countess.  And honestly, Henry seemed the type to be satisfied with his lot in life, much more laid back than Cora. So he was happy to live is comfort with Cora (who I think he really did love) and Regina (who he definitely did love, as a daughter just to be clear).

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Exactly.  They weren't King & Queen, but they were Land Owners, and therefore Nobility.  Probably something on the order of Count/Countess.  And honestly, Henry seemed the type to be satisfied with his lot in life, much more laid back than Cora. So he was happy to live is comfort with Cora (who I think he really did love) and Regina (who he definitely did love, as a daughter just to be clear).

      Oh yeah, the way he talked about her in We Are Both, I have no doubt that Henry grew to love Cora if he didn't immediately. Cora probably could've loved him, too. If she'd given him a chance.

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    • And if she had had her heart.

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    • I have a theory that King George needed an heir, so Rumplestiltskin brought James to George with a deal that George had to strike war with Xavier's kingdom

      And Rumple helped George defeat them so that he could take revenge on Cora's betrayal

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    • Xtian MadHatter wrote:
      I have a theory that King George needed an heir, so Rumplestiltskin brought James to George with a deal that George had to strike war with Xavier's kingdom

      And Rumple helped George defeat them so that he could take revenge on Cora's betrayal

      That sounds like a great theory.

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    • A Spy in the Mirror
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