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  • So, just to clarify-- according to Grumpy, Aurora was changed back from flying monkey to person becasue Zelena's magic was reversed. 

    Does that mean that the monkeys all had regenerating powers so when they were slain they really weren't (therefore Walsh is still alive too)?  Or was Aurora just lucky and didn't get killed by Charming/Snow/Regina/Robin/Emma/etc? 

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    • I also wonder why did she give birth after Snow if Aurora got pregnant earlier?

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    • The producers said that Aurora's pregnancy was put into stasis when she was monkified.

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    • ^ I didn't see this, do you have a source?

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    • it makes sense that she'd go into stasis-- otherwise many of the monkeys would be old when Zelena's curse broke-- Walsh would be in his sixties or something.  In fairytale world, it's just easier to be frozen in time when you're under a spell

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    • Enter Username Here wrote:
      ^ I didn't see this, do you have a source?


      http://tvline.com/2014/05/12/once-upon-a-time-season-4-elsa-from-frozen/
      HOROWITZ: Yes. We saw Aurora smiling happily at the baby naming…. Grumpy explained that she did not give birth to a flying monkey. What happened with her was the pregnancy was put into stasis as she was monkey-fied. Now she’s back to where she was.

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    • That's good that Aurora is back to normal. Now we can see another baby made from true love. I wonder what the name will be.

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    • also-- we saw Aurora but not Phillip (or I didn't) at Granny's-- is it possible he did get killed?  I guess Aurora wouldn't be smiling and happy at the coronation if he did, but it just seems amazing to me that no one that we saw turned into monkeys died despite all of the monkeys Zelena sent after them...

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    • My concern is the monkeys that vanished are they truly dead. With Zelena's spell being reversed does that undo Regina's magic too because she turned one into a toy in Witch Hunt and gave it to Roland. So overall all the monkeys that vanished with gold mist will probably show up later in S4 and Phillip because they never show what happens to him mainly getting his soul back from the Wraith.

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    • I think removing Zelena's power allows the flying monkeys to change into humans again. If they died (shot or slain by a sword or burned by magic) as a flying monkey however they're dead, I believe. Regina hasn't died and her power wasn't removed so unless she reverts the spell herself (which might be difficult to do if you used magic to kill someone) Regina's spells remain intact.

      Rewatching 312 another question came to my mind:

      Emma,  Henry and Walsh lived in the Land Without Magic . How on earth was Walsh able to transform into the flying monkey Zelena had him sentenced to be (It's Not Easy Being Green ) in order to attack Emma. I always thought given that Aurora, Phillip and Little John changed back to a human form once Zelena's power was taken away, the human is the more natural form. They were cursed, after all.  Of course Walsh spent quite some time as a monkey.

      There's no magic in New York and as far as I know  - even though there's magic in Storybrooke - neither the residents of the town nor the magic can leave its borders. 

      How did Zelena manage to send Walsh after Emma?

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    • They never did explore that. Emma stated (Or Walsh) That the were together 8 months. A whole year had passed from Going Home to New York City Serenade. Meaning at the 3 or 4 month mark, Zelena sent Walsh to the LWM and gave him a special talisman that allowed him to blend into the crowd. And if needed to, he could transform into a flying monkey.

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    • kind of like how rumple used that potion on his most prized possession to leave with emma and henry to new york. not the same spell, but the same principle that allowed an enchanted forest inhabitor to leave. although this didn't happen, say zelena did the same to the flying monkey somehow that let it leave the border. it was magic that has it in that form and under zelena's control. the magic would still hold just like the dark one wasn't cut from the dagger even though he left the border, but rumple couldn't use what isn't normal for the real world. it could be like that with the monkey, it would cross the border but it couldn't be what isn't possible in the real world. so instead of a flying monkey, it is walsh, but he is still a "trained circus animal". this is all just an example of a solution, though. What I want to know: will there be a moment where they realize that a friend of theirs is stuck in the form of a toy and they have to fix it so regina will be just like "uh..."

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    • Actually, Walsh's presence in New York raises another question.

      In A Curious Thing, it was pointed out that the ONLY way to get from the EF to LWM was through another casting of the Dark Curse.  Based on several clues given in during the season, Snow's curse was cast close to a year after Regina's was removed. (Meaning that Mary Margaret and David were not in Storybrooke more than 1-2 days when Emma showed up).

      But, Emma and Walsh were going out for 8 months.  How did Zelena get Walsh to the LWM when all there was supposedly no way to cross realms (at least not from EF to LWM)?

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    • wow, that is a REALLY good question ._. erm... oh I know, the slippers that zelena has. The witches of oz don't have the power to cross realms (or at least not glinda) so zelena shouldn't either, SO she had to go to the wizard of oz to get the slippers that could. when zelena left rumple, it sounded like the slippers could get him to the land without magic. and, if she didn't have the power to cross realms, how did she banish glinda to the enchanted forest? the slippers. maybe she doesn't have to click them to get OTHERS to other realms, and she sent a flying monkey to the land without magic, therefor eliminating the border that stops magic, allowing the flying monkey to maintain its form, or change into walter (though still the mind of a flying monkey under zelena's control) and get to new york. That's the best explanation I could come up with in 15 minutes.

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    • The main problem with that explanation that I see is that the shoes are with Dorothy.  After Dorothy "defeated" Zelena, Glinda gave the shoes to Dorothy so she could get home. And I would imagine that is where they are still.

      Also, from the description that Regina gave, it wasn't just breaking the curse, it actually BUILT a wall (or some similar barrier) to prevent future travel (short of another curse). Remember that Bae was able to get to the LWM with a bean back in the day,so it was possible originally.

      Which brings us back to the question... how did Zelena pull off the seemingly impossible. THAT is a big plot hole that needs to be filled.

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    • this is a poor example, but in the movie itself, dorothy used the slippers and woke up, but didn't have the slippers (i know, poor example), so maybe zelena gave them to dorothy to get home, but they never went with her, they just went back into wherever it was when the wizard had them. for all we truly know, zelena somehow made it seem like she had the shoes but didn't, and used the shoes herself to banish dorothy to kansas. MY question, though, is how did dorothy and the wizard get to oz, when they are in the land WITHOUT magic. the cyclone itself should be magic, shouldn't it? unless its a portal FROM oz that is just somehow reversed, I don't see how that works. That question of yours, though, I think may be an error on the writers part, that can only be explained with logic of those who know the show in and out. 

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    • Zelena was able to send Glinda to the EF with her extraordinary powers. I don't think she could travel anywhere without the shoes but seemed to share the same power as her Mom and Rumple where they can send people to different places. However unlike them, Zelena was able to send Glinda somewhere in a different realm. Maybe she did that with Walsh and sent him with a backpack and supplies to ensure he was staying on track of her mission and if he dared to escape, well.... He would suffer by her hands.

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    • maybe that was it, and she just had some connection with him like pan and the lost boys with temara and that other guy I am too lazy to find the name of. and I'm betting he couldn't escape, because he was turned into a flying monkey, and had some way to take the shape of what he was before. the real walsh probably wouldn't go out with emma

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    • What about the hot air balloon? That's how The Wizard returned in the movie with Judy Garland, Zelena could have fixed it and sent Walsh off to NY that way.

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    • Perhaps because Walsh was a flying monkey he could cross portals, like Ariel. While the gang was trying to save Henry from Peter Pan. She went from The Enchanted Forest > Neverland > The land without magic (storybrook) > neverland > land without magic. I believe Regina said that mermaids could world hop, so perhaps flying things can do it as well.

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    • Zelena also mentioned in 3.17 she had helpers (Flying monkeys) all across the land and possibly worlds.

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