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  • Going on from the theory that Emma is the "Dorothy" character, does anyone else envision this as an Emma backstory episode, maybe featuring her first family, in Kansas? :O

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    • I have this theory that, the heroes will go to Dorothy who has faced the Wicked Witch in the past, and they will end up defeating or killing her. Then it's revealed by Zelena, that Dorothy is actually worse than she was, because of her reasons. She will die before helping the heroes out. Dorothy will become the big bad for the final 2 episodes of the season. And the flashback will take place in Kansas. Where it all started. At least in the original Wizard of Oz movie.

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    • Interesting.

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    • Arctucrus, I really like your theory about it being an Emma centric episode! Although I'm not sure if I want Emma to be Dorothy, I'd rather like her to stay just Emma... 

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    • I dislike the theory of Dorothy being the next villain. We already had Pan as the hero was is actually a villain. I think doing it again won't have the same effect. I also personally don't want to see Dorothy appear, just mentions.

      However I do like the idea of it being an Emma-centric episode in which more of her backstory is revealed. Though her being in a Dorothy-like situation? I don't think that's likely to happen.

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    • It could be the Wizard's backstory if he appears. He cam from Kansas too.

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    • How much you wanna bet the season finale is called Somewhere Over The Rainbow?

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    • DZAV21 wrote:
      How much you wanna bet the season finale is called Somewhere Over The Rainbow?

      I bet all my Bacon

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
      Going on from the theory that Emma is the "Dorothy" character, does anyone else envision this as an Emma backstory episode, maybe featuring her first family, in Kansas? :O

      If I remember correctly, the creators said, we will not be seeing Emma's past this season.  Perhaps, whoever uses Eva's slippers, ends up in Kansas?

      Then there is August's motorcycle, which has Kansas license plates.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:
      Going on from the theory that Emma is the "Dorothy" character, does anyone else envision this as an Emma backstory episode, maybe featuring her first family, in Kansas? :O
      If I remember correctly, the creators said, we will not be seeing Emma's past this season.  Perhaps, whoever uses Eva's slippers, ends up in Kansas?

      Then there is August's motorcycle, while has Kansas license plates.

      Did they? Well x.X That went out the window quickly. 

      O.O I NEVER NOTICED THAT DOES IT REALLY

      WHAT IS IT

      WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN

      WHAT IS THE MEANING OF LIFE

      No but seriously O_o

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    • Arctucrus wrote:

      Did they? {removed due to length} No but seriously O_o

      Yes, August had Kansas plates.

      The Wonderful Wizard of Oz Chapter 23: Glinda the Good Witch Grants Dorothy's Wish

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    • It is curious that "Aunt Em" (emma) and "Uncle Herny" are characters in Wizard of Oz. I think there might be some correlation. 

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    • Wow, that is a crazy connection... Maybe auroras or snows child will be named Dorothy.

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    • AppleTree23 wrote:
      It is curious that "Aunt Em" (emma) and "Uncle Henry" are characters in Wizard of Oz. I think there might be some correlation. 

      Seems Eddy and Adam thought of everything ;)

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:
      Going on from the theory that Emma is the "Dorothy" character, does anyone else envision this as an Emma backstory episode, maybe featuring her first family, in Kansas? :O
      If I remember correctly, the creators said, we will not be seeing Emma's past this season.  Perhaps, whoever uses Eva's slippers, ends up in Kansas?

      Then there is August's motorcycle, which has Kansas license plates.

      we've laready seen Emma's past when they showed the flashback of her giving birth to Henry.

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    • I have a feeling too that the season finale, might be called 'Somewhere Over The Rainbow' where the semiseason finale 21st episode,

      might be There's No Place Like Home. If not, then I'm confused XD

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    • Ruby ridinghood wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:
      Going on from the theory that Emma is the "Dorothy" character, does anyone else envision this as an Emma backstory episode, maybe featuring her first family, in Kansas? :O
      If I remember correctly, the creators said, we will not be seeing Emma's past this season.  Perhaps, whoever uses Eva's slippers, ends up in Kansas?

      Then there is August's motorcycle, which has Kansas license plates.

      we've laready seen Emma's past when they showed the flashback of her giving birth to Henry.

      ..There's still a lot more of Emma's past that could be explored...

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    • Arctucrus wrote:

      ..There's still a lot more of Emma's past that could be explored...

      Of course, there is.... we are (probaby) just not going to see more, this season. Honestly, I enjoy that we did not see much of Emma's past. It gives her this wonderful air of mystery.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:

      ..There's still a lot more of Emma's past that could be explored...

      Of course, there is.... we are (probaby) just not going to see more, this season.

      Oh no I know, it's just the other poster made it sound like we had already seen all of Emma's past that there could ever possibly be to see, so yeah haha. 

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    • I got 2 guesses:

      1. This is the story about how Hook came to our world with Glinda's help, after barely escaping the WW attack and there he meets an adult dorothy, who alread came back from Oz.

      2. The WW's goal is to find dorothy to get revenge or to reunite with her love ;)

      Who's heart will be the one to get sacrificed by WW's to cast the spell? Glinda's?

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    • Prince Spindar wrote:

      Who's heart will be the one to get sacrificed by WW's to cast the spell? 

      Assuming it was the Wicked Witch, who casts the new curse.

      I am not saying, that The Wicked Witch is a red herring. It is just very possible, that despite all the clues pointing to her, someone else actually cast the curse.

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    • Prince Spindar wrote:

      2. The WW's goal is to find dorothy to get revenge or to reunite with her love ;)

      Hm, I'm not sure if they'll bring Fiyero or another love interest for the Wicked Witch... I kinda don't hope so, because I think it would be great if they focused on the friendship of Glinda and Zelena (if they ever were friends)!

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:

      ..There's still a lot more of Emma's past that could be explored...

      Of course, there is.... we are (probaby) just not going to see more, this season.
      Oh no I know, it's just the other poster made it sound like we had already seen all of Emma's past that there could ever possibly be to see, so yeah haha. 

      I know all of Emma's past haven't been seen. It's just that the creators said we wouldn't be seeing Emma's past this season, and yet we've already seen a little bit of her past this season.

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    • Prince Spindar wrote:
      I got 2 guesses:

      1. This is the story about how Hook came to our world with Glinda's help, after barely escaping the WW attack and there he meets an adult dorothy, who alread came back from Oz.

      2. The WW's goal is to find dorothy to get revenge or to reunite with her love ;)

      Who's heart will be the one to get sacrificed by WW's to cast the spell? Glinda's?

      Or 3. backstory about the Wizard who also comes from Kansas. Although I like the idea of an episode (not spefically this episode) that shows how Hook escaped the curse with Glinda's help, but I kinda hope Dorothy is not going to appear.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:

      Although I like the idea of an episode (not spefically this episode) that shows how Hook escaped the curse with Glinda's help.

      It would not surprise me, if the flashback shows how Hook escaped the Enchanted Forest.

      Bleeding Though will probably be where we discover, what the slippers look like. Many of fans think, A Curious Thing is a reference to the slippers. So having someone use the slippers to cross the realms, in Kansas is very possible. Not to mention, Glinda the Good Witch should be debuting, in one of those episodes.

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    • I think, like XOXO:P said, the last two titles will be Somewhere over the Rainbow, and There's no place like home. I think the season finale title will definitely be There's no place like home, because it sounds more like a compelling finale, title. Just like the last 2 episodes of season 2. Second star to the right and the episode And Straight on Til' Morning. The last one, sounded more compelling than the penultimate title. 

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      Prince Spindar wrote:
      I got 2 guesses:

      1. This is the story about how Hook came to our world with Glinda's help, after barely escaping the WW attack and there he meets an adult dorothy, who alread came back from Oz.

      2. The WW's goal is to find dorothy to get revenge or to reunite with her love ;)

      Who's heart will be the one to get sacrificed by WW's to cast the spell? Glinda's?

      Or 3. backstory about the Wizard who also comes from Kansas. Although I like the idea of an episode (not spefically this episode) that shows how Hook escaped the curse with Glinda's help, but I kinda hope Dorothy is not going to appear.


      My personal gut tells me that Blackbeard & the wizard could be the same person. As Charles casting was announced , I wrote on spoiler tv that I thought he would be The wizard but everyone was like he is Bb for sure, but than someone wrote why couldn't he be both??

      @Child of the moon7 I meant dorothy to be the Ww's love interest. Wasn't clear enough.

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    • Prince Spindar wrote:
      DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      Prince Spindar wrote:
      I got 2 guesses:

      1. This is the story about how Hook came to our world with Glinda's help, after barely escaping the WW attack and there he meets an adult dorothy, who alread came back from Oz.

      2. The WW's goal is to find dorothy to get revenge or to reunite with her love ;)

      Who's heart will be the one to get sacrificed by WW's to cast the spell? Glinda's?

      Or 3. backstory about the Wizard who also comes from Kansas. Although I like the idea of an episode (not spefically this episode) that shows how Hook escaped the curse with Glinda's help, but I kinda hope Dorothy is not going to appear.

      My personal gut tells me that Blackbeard & the wizard could be the same person. As Charles casting was announced , I wrote on spoiler tv that I thought he would be The wizard but everyone was like he is Bb for sure, but than someone wrote why couldn't he be both??

      @Child of the moon7 I meant dorothy to be the Ww's love interest. Wasn't clear enough.

      For one thing, the two have absolutley no reason to be the same character. 

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    • If Dorothy DOES make an appearance, I hope she isn't going to be a villain like Peter Pan or Jaqueline and at the same time, I hope they don't make her into a "witch hunter" kind of character.  If Dorothy could somehow meet in the middle of Alice and Wendy, that'd be perfect. 

      What I'M wondering about Kansas is if it's going to be in the Land Without Color in tribute to the first few minutes of the Wizard of Oz/Oz the Great and Powerful...or would it have a more sepia look to it? 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Prince Spindar wrote:

      Who's heart will be the one to get sacrificed by WW's to cast the spell? 

      Assuming it was the Wicked Witch, who casts the new curse.

      I am not saying, that The Wicked Witch is a red herring. It is just very possible, that despite all the clues pointing to her, someone else actually cast the curse.

      Yes that is true as well, but I could see the WW team up with Neal just to get back to Storybrooke.

      @MasteroftheHat neither there was any reason for Rumple & The crocodile to be one person but the writers pulled it of.

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    • Prince Spindar wrote:

      @MasteroftheHat neither there was any reason for Rumple & The crocodile to be one person but the writers pulled it of.

      But Rumple only isn't really the crocodile, he just is referred as such, similar to like he is the beast. He isn't neither but does represent them.

      That is the same case with Cora. She is The Queen of Hearts, but that is just a title, because she is actually the farmer girl.

      Blackbear and the Wizard however are completely individual characters who can't be the same. And it certainly will become hard for BB because he kinda (Pocahontas like) a real character in history.

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    • Prince Spindar wrote:

      My personal gut tells me that Blackbeard & the wizard could be the same person. 

      My gut instinct, is that the Wizard of Oz is someone who we already met. Whether is Dr. Whale, or Rumplestiltskin, or someone else on the show.

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    • I think the wizard is already on the show also. I don't think he's Rumple or Dr. Whale, I believe it's either Jefferson or Snow White.

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    • Ruby ridinghood wrote:
      I believe it's either Jefferson or Snow White.

      Jefferson the Mad Hatter as the Wizard of Oz, huh?

      I would not get my hopes up, on that ever happening.

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    • I wouldn't either. Smart money is on Dr. Whale.

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    • ...it's Daniel!!! Haha, no. My bet is on either whale, Archie, or the new guy Walsh.

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    • Budloopy4 wrote:
      ...it's Daniel!!! Haha, no. My bet is on either whale, Archie, or the new guy Walsh.

      Archie's an intereting guess, although I don't see it happening. It just feels like he would've had no time to be in Oz as the wizard-I mean, he was with Geppetto all that time, no? :3..

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    • Prince of Hearts wrote:
      I wouldn't either. Smart money is on Dr. Whale.

      He wasn't in oz when the Wizard was there.

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    • Ruby ridinghood wrote:

      Prince of Hearts wrote:
      I wouldn't either. Smart money is on Dr. Whale.

      He wasn't in oz when the Wizard was there.

      What now? So you know when all of this takes place or just guessing?

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    • Ruby ridinghood wrote:
      Prince of Hearts wrote:
      I wouldn't either. Smart money is on Dr. Whale.
      He wasn't in oz when the Wizard was there.

      We have no idea, if or when the Wizard was in Oz.

      Snow White was in young girl, when Regina met Victor Frankenstein. There was plenty of time for him to travel to Oz, and become the Wizard.

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    • Prince of Hearts wrote:

      Ruby ridinghood wrote:

      Prince of Hearts wrote:
      I wouldn't either. Smart money is on Dr. Whale.
      He wasn't in oz when the Wizard was there.
      What now? So you know when all of this takes place or just guessing?

      The Wizard and Dortothy was in Oz at the same time. By the time Jefferson got there Dorothy had left with the slippers and Dr. Whale was in the land without color.

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    • Ruby ridinghood wrote:

      The Wizard and Dortothy was in Oz at the same time. By the time Jefferson got there Dorothy had left with the slippers and Dr. Whale was in the land without color.

      Excuse me, when was Dorothy ever mantioned?

      Jefferson stole the crystal ball from "her", and said the slippers were moved. He never mentioned, the Wizard or Dorothy. The "her" was probably the Wicked Witch of the West, while Glinda could have moved the slippers.

      Stop confusing the book, with OUaT! Every story, so far, has been radically different. Snow White is not so innocent, while the Evil Queen is not pure evil. Captain Hook is an anti-hero, Peter Pan an evil mastermind, and Wendy Darling never grew up. Should I list more?

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    • For the record, we don't yet know for certain whether or not Dorothy was the one who took the slippers out of Oz. All any of us can do for now is wait and see how OUaT chooses to portray the events of "The Wizard of Oz".

      And personally, until the end of Season 2, I don't see Hook as an "anti-hero". More an "anti-villain".

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    • MasteroftheHat wrote: What I'M wondering about Kansas is if it's going to be in the Land Without Color in tribute to the first few minutes of the Wizard of Oz/Oz the Great and Powerful...or would it have a more sepia look to it? 

      That's what I'm curious about too. Is Kansas going to be in B&W or sepia?? If it is will appear.

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    • I'd like to think Dorothy gave them to Granny. Why, do I get the feeling she could be the same person who becomes Cruella DeVil. 'cos they're both from our world, if Adam&Eddy were going that way. She was born in London, probably same area as The Darlings or Alice's as Dorothy was in Kansas. So, I wouldn't mind if it was Dorothy that gave Hook the memory potion. But, I also hope she turns out to be Rumple's Mother, aka The REAL Enchantress.

      But, then again. I could be wrong.

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    • XOXO:P wrote:
      I'd like to think Dorothy gave them to Granny. Why, do I get the feeling she could be the same person who becomes Cruella DeVil. 'cos they're both from our world, if Adam&Eddy were going that way. She was born in London, probably same area as The Darlings or Alice's as Dorothy was in Kansas. So, I wouldn't mind if it was Dorothy that gave Hook the memory potion. But, I also hope she turns out to be Rumple's Mother, aka The REAL Enchantress.

      But, then again. I could be wrong.

      With the way things went in 3x08, I'd rather Rumple's Mommy have been a nobody who died in childbirth, or a tavern wench Malcolm had a fling with or something x.X

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    • XOXO:P wrote:
      I'd like to think Dorothy gave them to Granny. Why, do I get the feeling she could be the same person who becomes Cruella DeVil. 'cos they're both from our world, if Adam&Eddy were going that way. She was born in London, probably same area as The Darlings or Alice's as Dorothy was in Kansas. So, I wouldn't mind if it was Dorothy that gave Hook the memory potion. But, I also hope she turns out to be Rumple's Mother, aka The REAL Enchantress.

      But, then again. I could be wrong.


      I think the Wicked Witch gave Hook the memory potion.  She knew that Emma would drinkk the potion and Regina would be tortured that she is near her son but, he doesn't remember her.

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    • @Artucrus --- Thank you for that. Altho, I'm still going with my theory. Anything's possible with ONCE. But, I agree she might've just died or maybe Pan knew she was still alive and never told Rumple what had happened to her, bcos possibly she left him when Malcolm became The Village Coward/Theif or that she just died. I still have hope that she could've of been Esmeralda, but then I'm just picking-and-choosing random female FTcharacters that might've or might not had a connection with Rumple/Malcolm and that's how Rumple became Motherless. :P

      @Cosmicbimbo --- True, it could also have been Glinda too and most likely, Dorothy. But, I guess you're right and I've been mistaken most of the time with all these speculations floating around, we all knew Zelena was related to Regina in some way. I just want to know, if the reaction Z gave Regina when she told him that both Cora/Rumple were dead. This is what made her realise that she brought Rumple back, how?? I don't have a clue and I aint the only one.

      I have this other theory that for Zelena bringing Rumple back, she had to sacrifice someone's heart and I have a feeling it was either, Glinda's or Neal's.. which ever one turns out to be true. It will hurt Rumple the most, bcos he loved Nealfire more than her, if it turns out that Rumple is Zelena's Father and it'll also explain why she hates Regina bcos Rumple chose her over Zelena.. the only question is, does Rumple know who Zelena really is?! I'm guessing she wasn't always Green XD --- I mean, who would name their daughter after a colour, it's like with Regina latin for Queen. We should just call her QueenQueen and Zelena, Greenie. I love Regina for doing that. XD

      Now, that was funny.

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    • I still support the theory thast Zelena is the daughter of Cora (which she is) and Leopold. This would make it interesting. Because that would mean both Regina and Snow are half-sisters of Zelena. And we have no relative of Snow who is a villain yet. It would also explain why she would want to take care of Snow's baby. With her happy smile that acutally says she wants to strangle Snow, or kick her in the belly.

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    • XOXO:P wrote:

      I'm guessing she wasn't always Green XD --- I mean, who would name their daughter after a colour, it's like with Regina latin for Queen. We should just call her QueenQueen and Zelena, Greenie. I love Regina for doing that. XD

      While Zelena means green, in Slavic laguages; it is also a derivative of Selena, which means moon goddess. 

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      I still support the theory thast Zelena is the daughter of Cora (which she is) and Leopold. 

      Uh, that would be SO gross. At first, I liked the idea of Snow being related in a way, but that would mean Regina married her half-sisters dad. Also, shouldn't he have remembered Cora? 

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    • AppleTree23 wrote: Uh, that would be SO gross. At first, I liked the idea of Snow being related in a way, but that would mean Regina married her half-sisters dad. Also, shouldn't he have remembered Cora? 

      For the sake of argument, maybe he did ;) Just didn't show it. Maybe they simply act as if nothing happened, since Zelena was sent away.

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      Maybe they simply act as if nothing happened, since Zelena was sent away.

      Or Cora could have used magic, to make Leopold forget about their dalliance.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote: Or Cora could have used magic, to make Leopold forget about their dalliance.

      That too! Mmmmmmmmagic.

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    • That would be plausible.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      XOXO:P wrote:

      I'm guessing she wasn't always Green XD --- I mean, who would name their daughter after a colour, it's like with Regina latin for Queen. We should just call her QueenQueen and Zelena, Greenie. I love Regina for doing that. XD

      While Zelena means green, in Slavic laguages; it is also a derivative of Selena, which means moon goddess. 

      I know that, it obvious since the beginning. I meant as, oh nevermind. :)

      I actually like Zelena's name. It makes so different from Regina, becos she was meant to be Queen as Cora wanted her to be and that's why I think, Zelena became jealous of how much attention Cora gave Regina than her firstborn. Now, Regina has someone to finally destroy bcos it's her half-sister. I agree tho, I hope Z is Leopold's daughter and not Rumple, but the way things are looking in 3x14s promo... it could most likely be that Z is Rumple's daughter and not Leopold's. I think, Rumple has had so much pain this season and I think it will be so complicated as they family tree has totally gone bonkers now there's a new branch on Regina's side of Henry's Dysfuntional-Royal Tree of Our Heroes & Villains. I don't know why but I've always had this theory that Dorothy could be all grown up, Immortal for centuries and is Rumple's Mother. That would be a twist. I mean, it would connect how her Aunt Em/Uncle Henry in the books, but on ONCE Emma is her granddaughter-in-law and Henry is her great-grandson. A&E had it all figured out since the beginning. How else did Pan get Henry's parchment, cos it looks like something from Oz.

      So, unless Dorothy is a witch, or maybe The REAL Enchantress as Pan became The Crocodile's Father, then The Enchantress is The Beast's Mother. And in a way, she was born Dorothea Gold in Kansas, nicknamed Thea; but in Oz she's known as Dorothy Gale and that's how Rumple became Mr. Gold. Just my opinion. Don't have to agree with me. Thumbs down, or up. Doesn't matter. :P

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      That too! Mmmmmmmmagic.

      I guess there could be an explaination that makes sense as to why Cora would have her daughter marry a guy she used to bone, totally gross, but it's not like Cora was the mother of the year or anything. 

      But also, what's confusing. Cora ripped her heart after Rumple and around the time of her marriage. It would make sense for her to abandond an infant after she rips out her heart, but before? 

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