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  • I didn't understand, Pan transfers the bracelet to Mr. Gold and Gold can't get rid of it but the next thing we saw is that he is in the frozen scene confronting his father. Did he got rid of the bracelet or not? I first thought that he was about to cut his hand but he had both hands in the next scene. Can someone tell me?

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    • Maria.oglou wrote:
      Did he got rid of the bracelet or not? 

      Nope.... it was hidden under, the cuff of his shirt.

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    • He almost decided to cut his hand off so he could have Magic back, and do things the cowards' way, but then he decided, "Nope, fuck it, I'll pay the price," and died a heroes' death.

      Somethin' like that.

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    • We actually do not know if he got rid of the bracelet. He could've cut his hand and then, with magic, reattached it. Or he might have just walked to where Pan was with nothing but his ability to call his own Shadow, which might not be considered magic. Stabbing himself with a dagger is not performing any kind of magic.

      Although I would like to assume he *did* get rid of the bracelet, since I hope he was the one who decided to dissapear in the last moment before the dagger reached his heart, instead of having vaporized.

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    • My answer is no. Gold still had the bracelet on his wrist. 2 Clues came from that scene.

      One: Pan pointed to Gold's arm and said "Still... no magic"

      Two: Gold said he didn't need it. So He didn't get rid of the cuff. 

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    • XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      My answer is no. Gold still had the bracelet on his wrist. 2 Clues came from that scene.

      One: Pan pointed to Gold's arm and said "Still... no magic"

      Two: Gold said he didn't need it. So He didn't get rid of the cuff. 

      Exactly, this is how I see it.

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
      He almost decided to cut his hand off so he could have Magic back, and do things the cowards' way, but then he decided, "Nope, fuck it, I'll pay the price," and died a heroes' death.

      Somethin' like that.

      Lol. I love your explanation here. Sums it up perfectly. :D

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    • Killian Jones wrote:

      Although I would like to assume he *did* get rid of the bracelet, since I hope he was the one who decided to dissapear in the last moment before the dagger reached his heart, instead of having vaporized.

      So, Rumplestiltskin was a coward to the end? 

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    • Applegirl wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:
      He almost decided to cut his hand off so he could have Magic back, and do things the cowards' way, but then he decided, "Nope, fuck it, I'll pay the price," and died a heroes' death.

      Somethin' like that.

      Lol. I love your explanation here. Sums it up perfectly. :D

      -salutes with hat- Pleasure ma'am. ;P

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    • I see, he died with dignity in the end. Thanx for the answers!!

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    • I'm still hoping he is the Dark One with his magic.

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    • XxBadWolfxX
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    • I just hope Mr.Gold escaped-although i didn't liked him at the beginning, in the end he turned out to be ok-with my logic, the curse was erased so shouldn't he be alive? 

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    • Maria.oglou wrote:
      I just hope Mr.Gold escaped-although i didn't liked him at the beginning, in the end he turned out to be ok-with my logic, the curse was erased so shouldn't he be alive? 

      How do you figure?

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    • I think since the curse was lifted by regina shouldn't "erase" all Pan's curse and consequences? That's just my opinion though...

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    • Maria.oglou wrote:
      I see, he died with dignity in the end. Thanx for the answers!!


      Basically, they showed his redemption and removal of coward tag off him. He died as hero, which is also one of the reasons that assures Rumple's return in second half of the season.

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    • I agree! I know my next question is a little off topic but why March? All the other series start January...

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    • Maria.oglou wrote: I agree! I know my next question is a little off topic but why March? All the other series start January...

      It's a new thing ABC is trying… to air the two halves basically uninterrupted in 11 episode blocks. Do you remember last year? We could have two episodes followed by a three week break… and then another one, another one, etc. I suppose this way is meant to keep viewership up?

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    • I doubt this will keep the viewership up, I mean the fans will be restless...I can understand the winter break but three months? Are they serious?

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    • Maria.oglou wrote: I doubt this will keep the viewership up, I mean the fans will be restless...I can understand the winter break but three months? Are they serious?

      I'm afraid so… I'm upset, too… :(

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    • reply to #3

      If Rumple has no magic, how can he call his shadow back? When he confronts Peter he seems to be more Dark One than Rumple. I don't know what to think about his disappearing a moment before the dagger reaches his heart... but I am not entirely convinced that Dark Lord could kill himself.

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    • Killian Jones wrote: We actually do not know if he got rid of the bracelet. He could've cut his hand and then, with magic, reattached it. Or he might have just walked to where Pan was with nothing but his ability to call his own Shadow, which might not be considered magic. Stabbing himself with a dagger is not performing any kind of magic.

      Although I would like to assume he *did* get rid of the bracelet, since I hope he was the one who decided to dissapear in the last moment before the dagger reached his heart, instead of having vaporized.

      If Rumple has no magic, how can he call his shadow back? When he confronts Peter he seems to be more Dark One than Rumple. I don't know what to think about his disappearing a moment before the dagger reaches his heart... but I am not entirely convinced that Dark Lord could kill himself.

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    • ^ Yeah i know. Not everything is clear. Plus not sure what had happened if Rumple removed the dagger from him and his father ?

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    • What was the yellow blast of light? Was that Peter Pan's dying or Rumplestiltskin's?

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    • Someone said the dagger was not long enough to reach Rumple's heart too. Also the yellow blast of light escapes only from Pan's shoulder, and not from both. And how someone without magic powers can call his shadow back? Following OUAT rules, if someone kills the Dark Lord with the dagger become the New Dark One (as Rumple did with Zoso). But, what happen if a Dark One kills himself with the dagger? I don't think he can do it.

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    • Jomasher wrote:
      reply to #3

      If Rumple has no magic, how can he call his shadow back? When he confronts Peter he seems to be more Dark One than Rumple. I don't know what to think about his disappearing a moment before the dagger reaches his heart... but I am not entirely convinced that Dark Lord could kill himself.

      Looks as tho all the bracelette does is suppress magic. It doesn't revert Rumple back to fully being the village coward. He was still the Dark One. I think this youtube comment best describes what happened with Rumple/Pan:


       Watch the scene closely. He and Pan are in an embrace when he skewers Pan. Because of the close embrace, the dagger goes through Pan and into Rumpel too. And this transfers the Dark One's power to Pan, which turns him old again. Since the Dark One is killing both himself and the next Dark One to be, the cycle is broken and both of them disintegrate into light and die. This was Rumpel's plan to kill Pan all along, and also his "undoing" that the prophecy spoke of. 

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    • I watched the scene one more time and it seems to me Rumple is not suffering as Peter does. 

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    • XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      Jomasher wrote:
      I watched the scene one more time and it seems to me Rumple is not suffering as Peter does. 
      Well lets hope Rumple doesn't die. He is a fan favorite ;/ But that doesn't mean the dagger didn't hit him. To me the dagger looked long enough to go thru one person and pierce another.

      And as far as Rumple not suffering. His magic was suppressed. But he was still TDO.

      Which means he can endure pain better then most. Like he did when Hook jabbed him with his hook when they where aboard the Jolly Roger.



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    • XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      Jomasher wrote:
      I watched the scene one more time and it seems to me Rumple is not suffering as Peter does. 
      Well lets hope Rumple doesn't die. He is a fan favorite ;/ But that doesn't mean the dagger didn't hit him. To me the dagger looked long enough to go thru one person and pierce another.

      And as far as Rumple not suffering. His magic was suppressed. But he was still TDO.

      Which means he can endure pain better then most. Like he did when Hook jabbed him with his hook when they where aboard the Jolly Roger.



      I know he can endure pain better than most but, when Mr. Gold was in New York with Emma searching for Bae, Hook jabbed him with his hook and Mr. Gold suffered, even if he was TDO, because he doesn't have his powers. Why now (he doesn't has his powers) he doesn't suffer? I think because the dagger doesn't reached his heart, but only Peter's one.

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    • Jomasher wrote:
      XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      Jomasher wrote:
      I watched the scene one more time and it seems to me Rumple is not suffering as Peter does. 
      Well lets hope Rumple doesn't die. He is a fan favorite ;/ But that doesn't mean the dagger didn't hit him. To me the dagger looked long enough to go thru one person and pierce another.

      And as far as Rumple not suffering. His magic was suppressed. But he was still TDO.

      Which means he can endure pain better then most. Like he did when Hook jabbed him with his hook when they where aboard the Jolly Roger.



      I know he can endure pain better than most but, when Mr. Gold was in New York with Emma searching for Bae, Hook jabbed him with his hook and Mr. Gold suffered, even if he was TDO, because he doesn't have his powers. Why now (he doesn't has his powers) he doesn't suffer? I think because the dagger doesn't reached his heart, but only Peter's one.

      Not sure. The difference with that scene is Killian's hook was laced with dreamshade.

      Which might even have the ability to kill Pan.

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    • The dreamshade wound, I believe, is different. I mean, it's basically a very fast acting poison. It deteriorates a person's condition very rapidly, and that's why Mr. Gold showed himself to be in such extreme, physical pain during that time. I honestly believe the dagger embedded into both his own and Pan/Malcolm's hearts. Look at what he did with the blade after his line about being a villain. He twisted it deeper into both their wounds. How is that something avoidable? For Pan to die, he had to die as well. Though he did stab himself with the dagger, I think he did not show much pain because he had finally accepted the fact he himself needs to die to save everyone.

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    • Applegirl wrote:
      The dreamshade wound, I believe, is different. I mean, it's basically a very fast acting poison. It deteriorates a person's condition very rapidly, and that's why Mr. Gold showed himself to be in such extreme, physical pain during that time. I honestly believe the dagger embedded into both his own and Pan/Malcolm's hearts. Look at what he did with the blade after his line about being a villain. He twisted it deeper into both their wounds. How is that something avoidable? For Pan to die, he had to die as well. Though he did stab himself with the dagger, I think he did not show much pain because he had finally accepted the fact he himself needs to die to save everyone.

      Justto add ( :

      For anyone who wonders why Rumple had to die to stop Pan. Rumple had to turn Pan into The Dark One!! Which made him grow old again. And Rumple had to die in order to transfer his power to Pan. Malcolm became The Dark one for awhile and then was in turn killed by Rumple.

      This broke the cycle of the dagger.

      Rumple v.v </3 Always and forever a hero.

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    • XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      Applegirl wrote:
      The dreamshade wound, I believe, is different. I mean, it's basically a very fast acting poison. It deteriorates a person's condition very rapidly, and that's why Mr. Gold showed himself to be in such extreme, physical pain during that time. I honestly believe the dagger embedded into both his own and Pan/Malcolm's hearts. Look at what he did with the blade after his line about being a villain. He twisted it deeper into both their wounds. How is that something avoidable? For Pan to die, he had to die as well. Though he did stab himself with the dagger, I think he did not show much pain because he had finally accepted the fact he himself needs to die to save everyone.
      Justto add ( :

      For anyone who wonders why Rumple had to die to stop Pan. Rumple had to turn Pan into The Dark One!! Which made him grow old again. And Rumple had to die in order to transfer his power to Pan. Malcolm became The Dark one for awhile and then was in turn killed by Rumple.

      This broke the cycle of the dagger.

      Rumple v.v </3 Always and forever a hero.

      This is the first time I'm hearing a theory like this. I didn't really see proof that Pan became the Dark One. It wasn't hinted in the scene.What I see is Rumple killing himself with the dagger is what made the cycle break. Therefore, his powers did not transfer to anyone else after that. Like with Zoso and Cora's failed attempt, we know that only if another person stabs the Dark One, then the attacker is the one who becomes the next Dark One. When have we ever seen evidence that a Dark One stabbing himself and another person at the same time makes the other person the Dark One? 

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    • Applegirl wrote:
      XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      Applegirl wrote:
      The dreamshade wound, I believe, is different. I mean, it's basically a very fast acting poison. It deteriorates a person's condition very rapidly, and that's why Mr. Gold showed himself to be in such extreme, physical pain during that time. I honestly believe the dagger embedded into both his own and Pan/Malcolm's hearts. Look at what he did with the blade after his line about being a villain. He twisted it deeper into both their wounds. How is that something avoidable? For Pan to die, he had to die as well. Though he did stab himself with the dagger, I think he did not show much pain because he had finally accepted the fact he himself needs to die to save everyone.
      Justto add ( :

      For anyone who wonders why Rumple had to die to stop Pan. Rumple had to turn Pan into The Dark One!! Which made him grow old again. And Rumple had to die in order to transfer his power to Pan. Malcolm became The Dark one for awhile and then was in turn killed by Rumple.

      This broke the cycle of the dagger.

      Rumple v.v </3 Always and forever a hero.

      This is the first time I'm hearing a theory like this. I didn't really see proof that Pan became the Dark One. It wasn't hinted in the scene.What I see is Rumple killing himself with the dagger is what made the cycle break. Therefore, his powers did not transfer to anyone else after that. Like with Zoso and Cora's failed attempt, we know that only if another person stabs the Dark One, then the attacker is the one who becomes the next Dark One. When have we ever seen evidence that a Dark One stabbing himself and another person at the same time makes the other person the Dark One? 

      Is evidence needed tho.. The Dark One dagger was the item responsible for turning Pan back into Malcolm. To me it logical that Rumple had to transfer his power to Malcolm for a milli-second.

      Then in turn, kill Malcolm at the same time. If Rumple didn't use the power of the dagger and what it did. Then their would be no reason for Rumple to be killed along side Malcolm.

      Therefore Rumples "undoing" of his Dark one power was to transfer, then kill Pan.

      This also means in a way, Henry was Rumples un-doing. This is prophesy fulfilled.

      Because Pan was in Storybrooke because of Henry's rescue.

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    • I have a question to the bracelet itself:

      I just rewatched the s2 finale and Regina wanted the bracelet because it belonged to her mother who gave it to Hook (as we see in 'Tallahassee' when they climb the beanstalk). Rumple said he took it from Greg and Tamara. When Rumple put the bracelet on Peter, he easily could take it off him because he made it. How is that? I thought it belonged to Cora? I'm kinda confused here :D

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    • Child of the Moon7 wrote:
      I have a question to the bracelet itself:

      I just rewatched the s2 finale and Regina wanted the bracelet because it belonged to her mother who gave it to Hook (as we see in 'Tallahassee' when they climb the beanstalk). Rumple said he took it from Greg and Tamara. When Rumple put the bracelet on Peter, he easily could take it off him because he made it. How is that? I thought it belonged to Cora? I'm kinda confused here :D

      The bracelet was modified by Pan acting as Greg and Tamara's superior to block the magic of the wearer, instead of blocking the magic of a beanstalk.

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
      Child of the Moon7 wrote:
      I have a question to the bracelet itself:

      I just rewatched the s2 finale and Regina wanted the bracelet because it belonged to her mother who gave it to Hook (as we see in 'Tallahassee' when they climb the beanstalk). Rumple said he took it from Greg and Tamara. When Rumple put the bracelet on Peter, he easily could take it off him because he made it. How is that? I thought it belonged to Cora? I'm kinda confused here :D

      The bracelet was modified by Pan acting as Greg and Tamara's superior to block the magic of the wearer, instead of blocking the magic of a beanstalk.

      I'm still not sure how it got from Cora to Pan? :/ 

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    • Child of the Moon7 wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:
      Child of the Moon7 wrote:
      I have a question to the bracelet itself:

      I just rewatched the s2 finale and Regina wanted the bracelet because it belonged to her mother who gave it to Hook (as we see in 'Tallahassee' when they climb the beanstalk). Rumple said he took it from Greg and Tamara. When Rumple put the bracelet on Peter, he easily could take it off him because he made it. How is that? I thought it belonged to Cora? I'm kinda confused here :D

      The bracelet was modified by Pan acting as Greg and Tamara's superior to block the magic of the wearer, instead of blocking the magic of a beanstalk.
      I'm still not sure how it got from Cora to Pan? :/ 

      Greg and Tamara took it from Hook and gave it to the "Home Office" (Pan)...

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
      Child of the Moon7 wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:
      Child of the Moon7 wrote:
      I have a question to the bracelet itself:

      I just rewatched the s2 finale and Regina wanted the bracelet because it belonged to her mother who gave it to Hook (as we see in 'Tallahassee' when they climb the beanstalk). Rumple said he took it from Greg and Tamara. When Rumple put the bracelet on Peter, he easily could take it off him because he made it. How is that? I thought it belonged to Cora? I'm kinda confused here :D

      The bracelet was modified by Pan acting as Greg and Tamara's superior to block the magic of the wearer, instead of blocking the magic of a beanstalk.
      I'm still not sure how it got from Cora to Pan? :/ 
      Greg and Tamara took it from Hook and gave it to the "Home Office" (Pan)...

      Oh okay, thank you! :) 

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    • ^_^

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    • XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      Applegirl wrote:
      XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      Applegirl wrote:
      The dreamshade wound, I believe, is different. I mean, it's basically a very fast acting poison. It deteriorates a person's condition very rapidly, and that's why Mr. Gold showed himself to be in such extreme, physical pain during that time. I honestly believe the dagger embedded into both his own and Pan/Malcolm's hearts. Look at what he did with the blade after his line about being a villain. He twisted it deeper into both their wounds. How is that something avoidable? For Pan to die, he had to die as well. Though he did stab himself with the dagger, I think he did not show much pain because he had finally accepted the fact he himself needs to die to save everyone.
      Justto add ( :

      For anyone who wonders why Rumple had to die to stop Pan. Rumple had to turn Pan into The Dark One!! Which made him grow old again. And Rumple had to die in order to transfer his power to Pan. Malcolm became The Dark one for awhile and then was in turn killed by Rumple.

      This broke the cycle of the dagger.

      Rumple v.v </3 Always and forever a hero.

      This is the first time I'm hearing a theory like this. I didn't really see proof that Pan became the Dark One. It wasn't hinted in the scene.What I see is Rumple killing himself with the dagger is what made the cycle break. Therefore, his powers did not transfer to anyone else after that. Like with Zoso and Cora's failed attempt, we know that only if another person stabs the Dark One, then the attacker is the one who becomes the next Dark One. When have we ever seen evidence that a Dark One stabbing himself and another person at the same time makes the other person the Dark One? 
      Is evidence needed tho.. The Dark One dagger was the item responsible for turning Pan back into Malcolm. To me it logical that Rumple had to transfer his power to Malcolm for a milli-second.

      Then in turn, kill Malcolm at the same time. If Rumple didn't use the power of the dagger and what it did. Then their would be no reason for Rumple to be killed along side Malcolm.

      Therefore Rumples "undoing" of his Dark one power was to transfer, then kill Pan.

      This also means in a way, Henry was Rumples un-doing. This is prophesy fulfilled.

      Because Pan was in Storybrooke because of Henry's rescue.


      For anyone to get dark one's power, one must kill current dark one  first.Pan should've killed Rumple first with DO dagger to get the Dark one's power.I didn't see that happened so i'm not entirely convinced with your theory.

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    • Applegirl wrote:
      The dreamshade wound, I believe, is different. I mean, it's basically a very fast acting poison. It deteriorates a person's condition very rapidly, and that's why Mr. Gold showed himself to be in such extreme, physical pain during that time. I honestly believe the dagger embedded into both his own and Pan/Malcolm's hearts. Look at what he did with the blade after his line about being a villain. He twisted it deeper into both their wounds. How is that something avoidable? For Pan to die, he had to die as well. Though he did stab himself with the dagger, I think he did not show much pain because he had finally accepted the fact he himself needs to die to save everyone.


      I agree with you Mr. Gold was experiencing pain but he was satisfied to have saved those lives that meant so much to him. I think dagger went only in Mr. Gold's heart but it went somehwere close to Pan's shoulder on to left unless Pan had his heart implanted on left side to spare place for Henry's heart on right side? XD

      I think before Mr Gold twisted the dagger deeper inside Pan and his heart, he was bit gasping for breath and struggling to speak while saying about villains not get Happy ending.

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    • TVDaddictneedstogetlife wrote:
      XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      Applegirl wrote:
      XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      Applegirl wrote:
      The dreamshade wound, I believe, is different. I mean, it's basically a very fast acting poison. It deteriorates a person's condition very rapidly, and that's why Mr. Gold showed himself to be in such extreme, physical pain during that time. I honestly believe the dagger embedded into both his own and Pan/Malcolm's hearts. Look at what he did with the blade after his line about being a villain. He twisted it deeper into both their wounds. How is that something avoidable? For Pan to die, he had to die as well. Though he did stab himself with the dagger, I think he did not show much pain because he had finally accepted the fact he himself needs to die to save everyone.
      Justto add ( :

      For anyone who wonders why Rumple had to die to stop Pan. Rumple had to turn Pan into The Dark One!! Which made him grow old again. And Rumple had to die in order to transfer his power to Pan. Malcolm became The Dark one for awhile and then was in turn killed by Rumple.

      This broke the cycle of the dagger.

      Rumple v.v </3 Always and forever a hero.

      This is the first time I'm hearing a theory like this. I didn't really see proof that Pan became the Dark One. It wasn't hinted in the scene.What I see is Rumple killing himself with the dagger is what made the cycle break. Therefore, his powers did not transfer to anyone else after that. Like with Zoso and Cora's failed attempt, we know that only if another person stabs the Dark One, then the attacker is the one who becomes the next Dark One. When have we ever seen evidence that a Dark One stabbing himself and another person at the same time makes the other person the Dark One? 
      Is evidence needed tho.. The Dark One dagger was the item responsible for turning Pan back into Malcolm. To me it logical that Rumple had to transfer his power to Malcolm for a milli-second.

      Then in turn, kill Malcolm at the same time. If Rumple didn't use the power of the dagger and what it did. Then their would be no reason for Rumple to be killed along side Malcolm.

      Therefore Rumples "undoing" of his Dark one power was to transfer, then kill Pan.

      This also means in a way, Henry was Rumples un-doing. This is prophesy fulfilled.

      Because Pan was in Storybrooke because of Henry's rescue.


      For anyone to get dark one's power, one must kill current dark one  first.Pan should've killed Rumple first with DO dagger to get the Dark one's power.I didn't see that happened so i'm not entirely convinced with your theory.

      It's ok ( : Also another clue was with Rumples vision of Belle. He told her he needed to be the "monster" aka Dark One in order to defeat Pan. He went thru the trouble of changing his wardrobe on Hook's ship so he can become the Dark One.... To defeat Pan. Why do we think that is? o;  Not to mention Rumple said repeatedly that only he has can/has what it takes to defeat Pan. Which is the Dark One curse.

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    • I just assumed he cut of his hand and healed it when his magic came back, he is one of the most powerful beings after all. But what others have said also makes sense.

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    • Either he decided to confront Pan without his magic or he painfully amputated his arm and magiced-it back on.

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    • He still had it on. If you look closely, you can see it. I think Pan even gestures to it.

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    • A Spy in the Mirror
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