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    Spoiler of the next half of the season, courtesy of Adam Horowitz :o

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    • It's not surprising that Lawrence is Lumiere. Lol, the casting call was a total give away. French accent? Know it all attitude? XD But good to hear a confirmation.

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    • Where did that image come from?

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    • Disregard I checked twitter. Lol. Btw apple I am changing the name of the page I feel that is substantial evidence.

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    • Prince of hearts there is the picture posted by a Adam Horowitz here you go https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamHorowitzLA/status/413789610331090944

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    • Anybody feel that Once Upon a Time is digging WAYYYY too deep into Disney now?

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    • No

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    • Well lumiere could be a human who knows

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    • Lumiere being human technically wouldn't make a difference since he be human in Disney film (originally and at the end) and it also says candle so I think Lumiere is a candle :p

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    • Sonofaphrodite wrote:
      Anybody feel that Once Upon a Time is digging WAYYYY too deep into Disney now?

      No.... I do not see the problem, with naming Belle's servant, Lumiere.

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    • Rwo
      Sonofaphrodite wrote:
      Anybody feel that Once Upon a Time is digging WAYYYY too deep into Disney now?

      Never ! :D What could be a series from ABC/Disney about fairy tales without any references ?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Sonofaphrodite wrote:
      Anybody feel that Once Upon a Time is digging WAYYYY too deep into Disney now?
      No.... I do not see the problem, with naming Belle's servant, Lumiere.

      I didn't really see the casting description, but I assumed it would be an actual living candelabra. Then again, OUAT is never that direct, so I'm probably just overthinking it :P

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    • Sonofaphrodite wrote:

      I didn't really see the casting description, but I assumed it would be an actual living candelabra. Then again, OUAT is never that direct, so I'm probably just overthinking it :P

      In the Disney film; Lumiere was a man, before he became a candelabra. There is no reason to have some creepy, and awful cgi creation. On OUaT; Belle lived in a town, where everyone had French names.... the show is just paying tribute.

      The episode will probably be about, how Belle's coped with Rumplestiltskin's death, and reajusted to being back in the Enchanted Forest. Lumiere might be a servant from her childhood, but I doubt Belle moved back to her father's. It would not surprise me, if Belle was living in Rumplestiltskin's castle, during the past year. Everyone was probably worried about her, being alone, so Lumiere moved in.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Sonofaphrodite wrote:

      I didn't really see the casting description, but I assumed it would be an actual living candelabra. Then again, OUAT is never that direct, so I'm probably just overthinking it :P

      In the Disney film; Lumiere was a man, before he became a candelabra. There is no reason to have some creepy, and awful cgi creation. On OUaT; Belle lived in a town, where everyone had French names.... the show is just paying tribute.

      The episode will probably be about, how Belle's coped with Rumplestiltskin's death, and reajusted to being back in the Enchanted Forest. Lumiere might be a servant from her childhood, but I doubt Belle moved back to her father's. It would not surprise me, if Belle was living in Rumplestiltskin's castle, during the past year. Everyone was probably worried about her, being alone, so Lumiere moved in.

      I like the idea that she stayed in dear old Rumpy's castle.

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    • Arctucrus wrote:

      I like the idea that she stayed in dear old Rumpy's castle.

      Where else would Belle live? She is estranged from her father, nor is she very close with Snow White. Not to mention, she might just want to be alone, for some time.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:

      I like the idea that she stayed in dear old Rumpy's castle.

      Where else would Belle live? She is estranged from her father, nor is she very close with Snow White. Not to mention, she might just want to be alone, for some time.

      No no I know I get it I was just saying like I hadn't thought about where Belle might go until I read your response mentioning it and I liked that.

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    • Arctucrus wrote:

      No no I know I get it I was just saying like I hadn't thought about where Belle might go until I read your response mentioning it and I liked that.

      I am so sorry.... I did mean, for it to sound like that.

      I was just trying to fill in, some loose ends, to my previous post. In case, someone would ask, "why would Belle be living alone?"

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:

      No no I know I get it I was just saying like I hadn't thought about where Belle might go until I read your response mentioning it and I liked that.

      I am so sorry.... I did mean, for it to sound like that.

      I was just trying to fill in, some loose ends, to me previous post. In case, someone would ask, "why would Belle be living alone?"

      Wat O.O No no not at all no hard feelings haha we're good mate we're good :)

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    • I have this theory that Belle and Lumiere were friends, and then something happened. It doesn't get resolved until the end of the day (present time). 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:

      I like the idea that she stayed in dear old Rumpy's castle.

      Where else would Belle live? She is estranged from her father, nor is she very close with Snow White. Not to mention, she might just want to be alone, for some time.

      She does have Neal, though. I seriously doubt he would just let his last connection to his father go like that. Maybe that's what Lumiere is for.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:

      I like the idea that she stayed in dear old Rumpy's castle.

      Where else would Belle live? She is estranged from her father, nor is she very close with Snow White. Not to mention, she might just want to be alone, for some time.

      I didn't think Belle was estranged from her father. I think he would have welcomed her back with open arms. The "father treating Belle badly thing" was a lie Regina told Rumple. Idk what Belles relationship with her father is post curse. But I know she was mad at him then because he did something to protect her. But Idk if that would keep them apart forever. It's not like Belle to stay away from her father for one mistake when Rumple did many mistakes.

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    • I think it would take a gesture on Maurice's part to bring them together. But I don't think Belle would be willing to reconcile with him soon, after everything that happened.

      But of course, a year passes between "Going Home" and "New York City Serenade"..

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    • I think he's supposed to be a gay best friend for Belle (i always read Lumiere `s gay, although he had that weird duster gf xD) since he's character is going to be friends with Belle. Thats cute i guess sicnce her true love is dead...

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    • To everyone wondering, just how Lumiere fits into the story.... here is how ;)

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    • lol seriously?

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    • OMG I can't wait to see Lumiere.

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    • Interesting...:3..

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    • I'm so happy he isn't running around in a costume like in the stage show.

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    • Huh.  Cool.  I hope we see him in full human form, as well.

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    • It will freak me out to see him in his candle form. So i am gladly welcome his human form

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    • Well, given that Blue, Nova, Gus :(, and Jiminy return to their human forms in SB, I would wager that Lumiere will also revert to his human form as well (assuming that he is in SB).

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    • Shouldn't he be labeled as an Oz character?

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    • SenatorSilver wrote:
      Shouldn't he be labeled as an Oz character?

      I don't know. He doesn't really say where he's from, only that the Wicked Witch of the West turned him into a chandelabra. He might be from the Enchanted Forest but he might as well be from Oz...

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    • Curious observation...

      Looking at Lumiere when he first appeared, it reminded me of the first view that you get of the Wizard of Oz, when Dorothy and company enter.  What if Lumiere is the Wizard, captured by Zelena in Oz and forced to do her bidding.

      That could be an interesting twist, depending on if and how they choose to go with it.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Curious observation...

      Looking at Lumiere when he first appeared, it reminded me of the first view that you get of the Wizard of Oz, when Dorothy and company enter.  What if Lumiere is the Wizard, captured by Zelena in Oz and forced to do her bidding.

      That could be an interesting twist, depending on if and how they choose to go with it.

      Yeah but it is still a theory. As we know for now, he only appeared in the EF, so we consider him from that land. If we get some infos about it later, qe're gonna change it of course :)

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    • Anwyays, the Oz/Disney cross-over between Lumiere and Flicker was pure genius. THis half of season is being amazing!

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    • And it isn't even at the halfway point yet. Also, this half of the season ends with a 2-hour season finale too. 

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    • SO here's my question on Lumiere- It was established that "all imagination comes from somewhere" therefore anything thats in movies or stories or anything that we "imagine" has happened already in another realm and is the "source material" for our "imagination"- therefore Lumiere from the 1991 movie and flciker from The Ice King of Oz is based on the Lumiere we saw last night (according to Once Upon a Time mythology) BUT if the wicked witch JUST cursed him into the candle, how could people have "imagined" him years ago.  The only thing i can think of is that the wicked witch cursed him into the candle YEARS AGO and that rumple maybe stole the candle from her or got it as part of a deal before he abdonded her in Oz.  Therefore those ivents could have been the source for Flicker in Ice King of Oz and Lumiere in the 1991 Beuaty and The Beast Movie.

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    • I suggest we tweet adam! lol

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    • Njcthree wrote: SO here's my question on Lumiere- It was established that "all imagination comes from somewhere" therefore anything thats in movies or stories or anything that we "imagine" has happened already in another realm and is the "source material" for our "imagination"- therefore Lumiere from the 1991 movie and flciker from The Ice King of Oz is based on the Lumiere we saw last night (according to Once Upon a Time mythology) BUT if the wicked witch JUST cursed him into the candle, how could people have "imagined" him years ago.  The only thing i can think of is that the wicked witch cursed him into the candle YEARS AGO and that rumple maybe stole the candle from her or got it as part of a deal before he abdonded her in Oz.  Therefore those ivents could have been the source for Flicker in Ice King of Oz and Lumiere in the 1991 Beuaty and The Beast Movie.

      Why "areadly"? Some people theorize it is the Dark Curse that adds all those stories, somehow altered and shortened, to everyone in the LWM's minds. Like, you didn't really read Snow White before 1983, but when the curse is cast the tale appears in your library and you recall having read it before, same with the movies :D

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    • And they could also be prophecies.

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    • Killian Jones wrote:

      Njcthree wrote: SO here's my question on Lumiere- It was established that "all imagination comes from somewhere" therefore anything thats in movies or stories or anything that we "imagine" has happened already in another realm and is the "source material" for our "imagination"- therefore Lumiere from the 1991 movie and flciker from The Ice King of Oz is based on the Lumiere we saw last night (according to Once Upon a Time mythology) BUT if the wicked witch JUST cursed him into the candle, how could people have "imagined" him years ago.  The only thing i can think of is that the wicked witch cursed him into the candle YEARS AGO and that rumple maybe stole the candle from her or got it as part of a deal before he abdonded her in Oz.  Therefore those ivents could have been the source for Flicker in Ice King of Oz and Lumiere in the 1991 Beuaty and The Beast Movie.

      Why "areadly"? Some people theorize it is the Dark Curse that adds all those stories, somehow altered and shortened, to everyone in the LWM's minds. Like, you didn't really read Snow White before 1983, but when the curse is cast the tale appears in your library and you recall having read it before, same with the movies :D

      That's an interesting theory- so your saying that only after zelena brought eveyrone to our land- it made everyone think they've known of lumiere for years?

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    • its an interesting theory but until the creators say it or suggest something like that I don't know if i believe it

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    • Yep, unless Lumiere was aready a candle before the original curse.

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    • Rwo

      Other thing, yes, I think too that Lumiere was a candelabra for years. Assuming that Zelena planned her revenge for long as well, it could explain Lumiere's cameo in Skin Deep. Yes, the candelabra itself is different, but come on, IT WAS OBVIOUSLY LUMIERE with the clock guy (can't remember his original name, in France he's known as Big Ben XD)

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    • Njcthree wrote:
      its an interesting theory but until the creators say it or suggest something like that I don't know if i believe it

      its an interesting theory but until the creators say it or suggest something like that I don't know if i believe it

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    • Njcthree wrote: its an interesting theory but until the creators say it or suggest something like that I don't know if i believe it

      I think they'll just let us decide what we want to believe about it :D

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    • Killian Jones wrote:

      Njcthree wrote: its an interesting theory but until the creators say it or suggest something like that I don't know if i believe it

      I think they'll just let us decide what we want to believe about it :D

      there's a few questions/things im hoping they'll delve into


      1) how time works throughout the realms- does time move slower in other realms- ie- 1 year there is 50 here something like that- (it would explain how the story of snow is 200 years old and yet only a few years passed between snow being awoken by true love and the curse being enacted but it's in the 80's in the LWM.) However- idk if that theory is accurate since a year is missing in both our realm and EF- if we were to stick with that theory that time moves slower in EF and other realms then the year that went by while they were in EF would mean that decades went by here and emma would be an old woman- so time and how it works in other realms.  The writers said lands of stories are removed from time so maybe there is no concept of time in other realms?  If so then- how did mulan know that they were frozen for 28 years- or did lumiere know that rumples casle was 200 years old- or belle know that her library has been there for 30 years?  so im hoping we learn more on how time works in other relams in relation to LWM.


      2)  I would love see other realms


      3) obvously imagination comes form somewhere- but how does this concept work- im curious to know that

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    • Killian Jones wrote:

      Njcthree wrote: its an interesting theory but until the creators say it or suggest something like that I don't know if i believe it

      I think they'll just let us decide what we want to believe about it :D

      If you watch wonderland- you'll know that at the end we see alice has created her own "alice's adventures in wonderland" (her realms version perhaps) in it she suggests that the red queen and will become the white king and queen- but like lumiere- if our adventures of alice (which was created in the 1800s) talks of a white queen- its safe to assume that anastasia becomes the NEXT WHITE QUEEN ( since she's good now) Maybe Cora's purpose for teaching anastasia magic was to take out the white queen?  it;s been written a few times that the red queen and the white were rivals so perhaps anastasia killed the white queen.  

      when it comes to the mad hatter- i'd assume the first time he was there was when alice went as a child (in hat trick regina tells jeferson that she wants him to take her to a place he's been before) we learn in wonderland the hatter had a cottage in wonderland and everything.  He obviously was trapped by Cora later on and remained in wonderland till the curse.

      My only question is timeline- when did cora get a new knave (the one we see in Hat Trick and Queen of Hearts) and was the red queen empower when alice first went to wonderland as a child- i would assume so since it's in our books (LWM version) time in wonderland seems to move differently then in alices realm (when she comes back from wonderland both times, many years have passed in her realm)  so perhaps a week there in 1 year in alice's realm.

      I would love to get a timeline which covers everything- allr ealms we've seen so far!

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    • I liked the way they did Lumiere, I was scared they were gonna have some talking candlestick bouncing around. I'm glad they did the face in the flame thing, that's more suitable for Once Upon A Time.

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