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  • If Pan is to recast his own version of the curse that created Storybrooke, as the promo implies, whose heart will he be sacrificing? Regina had to sacrifice the heart of her father because the heart of her steed just made some smoke and noise.

    My first thought is Rumple, since Pan seemed to genuinely love Rumple even though he cared about himself more. (He did take the name Peter Pan because it was the name Rum gave his doll.) But, I can't see them writing Rumplestiltskin/Robert out of the show. (Unless it's very temporary.) My other thought was Felix (if only becase he's the most accessible character that's close to Pan right now and could easily be sacrificed from a writing standpoint), but I think Felix is far more loyal to Pan than Pan is to Felix. I can't possibly see how Pan would love Felix more than Rumple. And if it's not Rumple, then who else does Pan love more?

    Or, if this turns out to be a case of, "We're introducing Rum's mother via flashback just to kill her off so Pan can cast the curse!" then who do you think she'll be revealed as? (This seems less likely. Rumple is much older than everyone else, he's only lived as long as he has because he's got the Dark One entity inside him. Malcolm was Rum's father and thus evn older than Rumple.)

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    • So.. Once is going to do a scene with Rumples Mother? O: 

      Also I don't think Pan truly loves Rumple. If you see the newest Promo of going home.

      Pan says to Rumple  "Why cant I be free of you" v.v And then throws him against a wall with magic. So saad D;

      I think Pan is loyal only to himself, Neverland, and pixie dust ;/

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    • XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      So.. Once is going to do a scene with Rumples Mother? O: 

      Also I don't think Pan truly loves Rumple. If you see the newest Promo of going home.

      Pan says to Rumple  "Why cant I be free of you" v.v And then throws him against a wall with magic. So saad D;

      I think Pan is loyal only to himself, Neverland, and pixie dust ;/

      Oops I mis-read. You mentioned "if" Rum's Mother xD My bad.

      For a second there I thought Maden ws gonna be featured as a new evil villian/Rumple's Mom.

      I was like, way to go Malcolm O:

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    • XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      So.. Once is going to do a scene with Rumples Mother? O: 

      Also I don't think Pan truly loves Rumple. If you see the newest Promo of going home.

      Pan says to Rumple  "Why cant I be free of you" v.v And then throws him against a wall with magic. So saad D;

      I think Pan is loyal only to himself, Neverland, and pixie dust ;/

      If they are introducing Rum's mom, I haven't heard about it. That was mostly me making a sarcastic jab at the idea of them introducing Pan's true love in a flashback just to kill her off.

      But that said, Pan's feelings abut Rumple are confusing. Malcolm seemed to genuinely love Rum before he realized he could have eternal youth and then even took on the name of Rum's doll. But, as we've seen, he's also so warped at this point that it's hard to see how he could have genuine love for anything other than himself. And how can he cast the curse and kill himself at the same time?

      Unless - and I just thought of this as I typed that last sentence - Pan plans to cast the curse by ripping the heart out of his own body a.k.a. the body Henry currently inhabits, thus killing Henry's soul and sacrificing his heart at the same time. But, again, it's not like they're going to kill off Henry (permanently) or write out Jared. He's the one thing that connects practically everbody.

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    • Mewiet wrote:
      XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      So.. Once is going to do a scene with Rumples Mother? O: 

      Also I don't think Pan truly loves Rumple. If you see the newest Promo of going home.

      Pan says to Rumple  "Why cant I be free of you" v.v And then throws him against a wall with magic. So saad D;

      I think Pan is loyal only to himself, Neverland, and pixie dust ;/

      If they are introducing Rum's mom, I haven't heard about it. That was mostly me making a sarcastic jab at the idea of them introducing Pan's true love in a flashback just to kill her off.

      But that said, Pan's feelings abut Rumple are confusing. Malcolm seemed to genuinely love Rum before he realized he could have eternal youth and then even took on the name of Rum's doll. But, as we've seen, he's also so warped at this point that it's hard to see how he could have genuine love for anything other than himself. And how can he cast the curse and kill himself at the same time?

      Unless - and I just thought of this as I typed that last sentence - Pan plans to cast the curse by ripping the heart out of his own body a.k.a. the body Henry currently inabits, thus killing Henry's soul and sacrificing his heart at the same time. But, again, it's not like they're going to kill off Henry (permanently) or write out Jared. He's the one thing that connects practically everbody.

      Oh yeah!!! Pan needs hairs from the darkest souls and the heart of the thing he loves most O:

      So he just might take either Felix's or Rumples heart O: 

      Can't wait to see!!

      P.S. I hope it's not Regina's magic that sends everyone to EF. If it was? Then I'll sit here wondering why she didn't use that same thing back when Greg and Tamara unleashed the

      fail-safe device.

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    • I feel like I read somewhere that someone had seen that Pan tosses the curse into the well to enact it, so he could bypass the ingredients...

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
      I feel like I read somewhere that someone had seen that Pan tosses the curse into the well to enact it, so he could bypass the ingredients...

      Oh, I hope they don't do a copout like that! It's important that Regina had to sacrifice her own father, the only person she loved above all else (who was still alive), to make the curse. If they gloss over that it'll be massively disappointing. The only way I could accept that would be if it's a plot point. Ex: Pan's curse is faulty/doesn't last/backfires/etc because he used the "wrong ingredients." After all, when Regina used the wrong ingredient (the steed's heart), the curse didn't have the power it needed and literally fizzled out. (That would be rather anticlimactic in general, let alone for a mid-season finale. The promo makes it seem like the curse does really take hold. It mkes me think that we will get a cliffhanger instead of a backfire.)

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    • Mewiet wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:
      I feel like I read somewhere that someone had seen that Pan tosses the curse into the well to enact it, so he could bypass the ingredients...
      Oh, I hope they don't do a copout like that! It's important that Regina had to sacrifice her own father, the only person she loved above all else (who was still alive), to make the curse. If they gloss over that it'll be massively disappointing. The only way I could accept that would be if it's a plot point. Ex: Pan's curse is faulty/doesn't last/backfires/etc because he used the "wrong ingredients." After all, when Regina used the wrong ingredient (the steed's heart), the curse didn't have the power it needed and literally fizzled out. (That would be rather anticlimactic for a mid-season finale though. The promo makes it seem like the curse does really take hold.)

      While I wish to see who Pan loves most and whose heart he'd go for and how he'd go for it, strangely, if they went the well route, I'd be OK with it. I like it, I think it's clever, and very Pan-esque. I recognize it's a bit of a copout, but somehow, that doesn't bother me :3

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
      I feel like I read somewhere that someone had seen that Pan tosses the curse into the well to enact it, so he could bypass the ingredients...

      Wat

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    • Peter Pan loves himself most.

      Peter Pan is already dying. So, this is a suicide mission.... he has nothing to loose. I could see him sacrificing his own heart, to enact the Dark Curse. Basically, in Pan's mind.... if I go down, you are all coming with me. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Peter Pan loves himself most.

      Peter Pan is already dying. So, this is a suicide mission.... he has nothing to loose. I could see him sacrificing his own heart, to enact the Dark Curse. Basically, in Pan's mind.... if I go down, you are all coming with me. 

      But isn't Pan living through Henry's heart now? So maybe he is planning to use the heart in his body (now used by Henry), thus killing his own heart (from the thing he loves most) and killing Henry (making Henry's heart his own).

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
      I feel like I read somewhere that someone had seen that Pan tosses the curse into the well to enact it, so he could bypass the ingredients...

      And maybe you only need the ingredients once, when the curse is enacted the first time? 

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    • Pan loves himself the most.

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    • It might be possible that the curse is enacted through the well, because the well is the thing that connects Storybrooke to the Enchanted Forest.

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    • Child of the Moon7 wrote:

      Arctucrus wrote:
      I feel like I read somewhere that someone had seen that Pan tosses the curse into the well to enact it, so he could bypass the ingredients...

      And maybe you only need the ingredients once, when the curse is enacted the first time? 

      That scroll Pan has is like a recipe. You need the ingredients every time.

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    • They have a sneak peek posted up for the 3x11 episode and in the second sneak peek video. Pan(Henry) is giving Felix a tight smile. I think he might just kill Felix cause Felix doesn't appear in the promo or in the first sneak peek either. So he might love Felix the most, which is sweet, but its stinky cause I don't want either of them to die. 

      I hope Peter doesn't die either. I just want the curse to fail and they send him back and such. 

      1. savepeterpan 
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    • I have just watched 3x10. I think Pan will add felix heart as last ingredient. And he obviously doesn't love his son. On contrary, I still think Rumple has some vestige of feelings left for his father which has always been the reason he failed against him. I think Rumple will kill him eventually. It was hard to watch how Peter Pan said "why can't I be free of you?" knowing their relationship it was too much for me to take.

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    • TVDaddictneedstogetlife wrote:
      I have just watched 3x10. I think Pan will add felix heart as last ingredient. And he obviously doesn't love his son. On contrary, I still think Rumple has some vestige of feelings left for his father which has always been the reason he failed against him. I think Rumple will kill him eventually. It was hard to watch how Peter Pan said "why can't I be free of you?" knowing their relationship it was too much for me to take.

      It was Felix, and also Pan admitted to never loving Rumple before ripping out Felix's heart and crushing it into the well.

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    • ....and i'm not even psychic.I wish writers would do something thats not predictable. *yawn*

      Its funny though how Pan clarified that apart from romantic love and love for family, there is loyality lol and Felix is the one he believed the most. I was hoping for romantic love but ...oh well... lol XD

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    • Kinda felt bad for Felix during that scene...am I alone in that :3

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    • ^ no you are not alone who think that but he didn't listen to Emma and other adults like other lost boys.He paid the price.

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    • TVDaddictneedstogetlife wrote:
      ^ no you are not alone who think that but he didn't listen to Emma and other adults like other lost boys.He paid the price.

      He couldn't have known though! D:...

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
      Kinda felt bad for Felix during that scene...am I alone in that :3

      I felt the same way! He was my favorite character. ;D;

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
      TVDaddictneedstogetlife wrote:
      ^ no you are not alone who think that but he didn't listen to Emma and other adults like other lost boys.He paid the price.
      He couldn't have known though! D:...


      Well, he didn't even know that Pan never loved his son, so obviously he didn't know Pan in right way. He was as gullible as the rest of the kids.

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    • TVDaddictneedstogetlife wrote:
      ....and i'm not even psychic.I wish writers would do something thats not predictable. *yawn*

      Its funny though how Pan clarified that apart from romantic love and love for family, there is loyality lol and Felix is the one he believed the most. I was hoping for romantic love but ...oh well... lol XD

      I was like, seriously, you autors need to stress this point so much to avoid slashing between the two? On the other hand, Pan spoke about Felix's loyalty to him, and that's not the heart of the thing that loves you the most, so the whole speech was kinda lame on that side, too.

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    • GothicNarcissus wrote:
      TVDaddictneedstogetlife wrote:
      ....and i'm not even psychic.I wish writers would do something thats not predictable. *yawn*

      Its funny though how Pan clarified that apart from romantic love and love for family, there is loyality lol and Felix is the one he believed the most. I was hoping for romantic love but ...oh well... lol XD

      I was like, seriously, you autors need to stress this point so much to avoid slashing between the two? On the other hand, Pan spoke about Felix's loyalty to him, and that's not the heart of the thing that loves you the most, so the whole speech was kinda lame on that side, too.

      I kinda felt as tho Pan loved Felix in a fatherly/friend way. But not enough to care about not sacraficing him for the curse. To me Felix was independent and obedient. Baby Rumple was needy in Pans eyes.

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    • I feel like Pan just loves himself the most. Simple as that. 

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    • Fangsandbangs wrote:
      I feel like Pan just loves himself the most. Simple as that. 

      True, yet the curse worked with Felix's heart. Felix, probably one of the few lost boys who was truly loyal.

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    • Pan was incapable of love someone in real sense.I don't know how curse worked but it worked.

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    • My theory is that he'll use the water of Neverland: Seeing as the Heart (The Water) of the 'Thing' you love most (Neverland).

      I don't think he loves someone, except for himself.

      Seeing that Neverland is the source of his power and immortality, I think that's what loves most

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    • TVDaddictneedstogetlife wrote: Pan was incapable of love someone in real sense.I don't know how curse worked but it worked.

      Insomuch as Pan could love, Felix was definitely it.

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      TVDaddictneedstogetlife wrote: Pan was incapable of love someone in real sense.I don't know how curse worked but it worked.

      Insomuch as Pan could love, Felix was definitely it.

      I agree. 

      Pan is self-centered, who better for him to love than someone who worships him undyingly? It makes the most sense, since, in the end, he's really loving himself.

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    • Arctucrus wrote:

      Pan is self-centered, who better for him to love than someone who worships him undyingly? It makes the most sense, since, in the end, he's really loving himself.

      Yes.... I agree, 100%. Hopefully, the writers were thinking the same thing.

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
       
      I agree. 

      Pan is self-centered, who better for him to love than someone who worships him undyingly? It makes the most sense, since, in the end, he's really loving himself.

      Liked your reply.
      Make perfect sense now.

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