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  • Ok, so after tonight's episode of OUaT:W, I was starting to get a little annoyed. Have you guys also noticed that almost every evil character can be explained by bad parenting? Let's put it all together:

    • Regina turned evil thanks to Cora killing Daniel
    • Cora turned evil by her frustration for her father's (and so her own) low status (also because her father didn't give the impression to do anything about it)
    • Rumple because he tried not to be like his father, but faled
    • Anastasia wanted to get away from her mother, who also thought her status should be important
    • Jafar hated his father for not acknowledging him as a son

    I know it doesn't count on Baelfire, but that's just one exception. I just think it's annoying, don't you guys?

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    • Well, your parents screwing you up has far flinging connotations.

      However, all these people are adults, and make their own choices.

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    • I think that there's a lot of bad parenting in the world, and in many cases it does affect the son/daughter, so I don't really see it as something they made up and kept reusing. It would be annoying if they kept repeting specific examples (although the Cora-Regina thing is pretty similar to the Mother-Anastasia thing XD).

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    • It's just, aren't there other influences to become evil except for your parents screwing you up? It just kind of annoys me and actually, it make the show a bit predictable...

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    • Dr. Kangaroo wrote:
      It's just, aren't there other influences to become evil except for your parents screwing you up? It just kind of annoys me and actually, it make the show a bit predictable...

      Of course there are, and we've seen them. (Rumplestiltskin, anyone? XD The Red King, too)

      Every show is predictable...

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    • King George, if you can consider him evil, was made that way after loosing all hope of having a family, at least as far as we're concernced.

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    • Rumplestlikin wasn't all that evil. He was corrupted by the dagger, but always loved his son. Out of all of these villains, he is the one who is not so evil. his son grew up with his father when he was still a good, but cowardly man who was only afraid of abandoning his son like his father did and sacrificed his humanity to save his son's life. even if he lost his way, he tried to do the right thing by making amends and trying to look for his son again. the reason why neal wasn't evil even though he was the son of the dark one was that deep down rumple was just trying to do what he thought was right by being a super evil over protective father. he just wanted to never let his son feel the same way he felt as a child, although he failed the feelings he had were conveyed to him.

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    • Lygarx wrote:
      Rumplestlikin wasn't all that evil. He was corrupted by the dagger, but always loved his son. Out of all of these villains, he is the one who is not so evil. his son grew up with his father when he was still a good, but cowardly man who was only afraid of abandoning his son like his father did and sacrificed his humanity to save his son's life. even if he lost his way, he tried to do the right thing by making amends and trying to look for his son again. the reason why neal wasn't evil even though he was the son of the dark one was that deep down rumple was just trying to do what he thought was right by being a super evil over protective father. he just wanted to never let his son feel the same way he felt as a child, although he failed the feelings he had were conveyed to him.

      I agree with you, but this could be nuanced since Rumple's villainous attitude remained during the curse, during which he wasn't directly affected by the dagger's influence (since there wasn't any magic in SB during 28 years), though he probably wasn't the most evil of them all.

      People often say Cora is more evil that Regina, but I really think it is not easy to class the characters's evilness on the show. Cora was certainly a very horrible person, but this came mainly because she didn't have her heart. Though she certainly had inherent darkness, she said she wasn't able to take the King's heart because her own heart was stopping her, and she ripped it out to get rid of her scruples. Regina sent children to be devoured by a blind witch and massacred an entire village including children with her heart inside her, all because she was heartbroken (though I personnaly tried to explain her evilness by thinking she was also corrupted by the use of magic, as was Rumple). Not excusing this characters at all of course, but just saying we can't really class their evilness.

      Even though, I personnaly think Peter Pan is the most evil character on the show until now since he abandoned his son and was even ready to sacrifice his great-grandson's life, only to preserve his youth, which makes him incredibly selfish. 

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    • I thought it's a kinda annoying, they should find other reason than the bad parent but I believe it's not easy to find..

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    • There are also other factors to consider.

      • Rumple pushing Regina to the bottom, swaying her the way he needed to to get her broken enough to cast the curse.
      • Rumple wasn't bad until her was currpted with power.
      • Cora really has no excuse except that she's power-hungry and grew up bitter, which is no excuse (as far as I'm concerned she deserves the least amount of sympathy)
      • Anastasia ran away, but couldn't escape who she really is, which is also power-hungry. She could of had happiness with her love, but wanted more and I don't think you can really blame that on her mom.
      • Jafar to me is the saddest. I mean, he's going through all of this just to make his dad love him? I was like, OMG he doesn't even have some kind of evil plot, he just wants love from his dad, WHAT? 


      Either way, your totally right. I think a reoccuring theme is a vicious cycle and Snow-Emma relationship represents that if you try, it's never too late :)

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    • Ariee wrote:
      I thought it's a kinda annoying, they should find other reason than the bad parent but I believe it's not easy to find..

      As the above poster said, I think in many cases it's more dynamic than just bad parenting. I find every villain unique, really, and to an extent, especially Jafar. I love his backstory and what drove him to be who he now is. I think it's great.

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    • I guess the foundation is bad parenting, but other stuff contribute to the warping of a true villain.

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    • A Spy in the Mirror
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