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  • I think they would have a heated discussion about Rumple and forgiveness, Milah would go on some rant on how Rumple shamed her and that it's foolish for Belle to love a coward. Belle would remind Milah that she once loved him too. Milah of course would be unyielding on her hatred for Rumple and that she was expecting greatness for him instead he shamed her. Belle would probably say that everything is NOT about her and calls Milah a "selfish, unhappy, black hearted WHORE" and Belle would punch Milah in the face as hard as possible!

    What do you all think?

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    • Lol? I like it ;D

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    • LOL. Belle is too nice to throw a punch at anyone. It would be interesting to see Milah possibly get jealous that her former husband has found a connection with someone else. 

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    • Applegirl wrote:
      Belle is too nice to throw a punch at anyone.  

      True.... she can be such a pushover, most of the time.

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    • She did knock Hook on his arse to get Bae's scarf back for Rumble.

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    • Yes she pushed him over. She's a pushover. Lol

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    • WinterWoodsGal wrote:
      Yes she pushed him over. She's a pushover. Lol

      Only to have Hook shoot her, in the back, a few hours later. Belle said it herself.... everytime she tries to be a hero, it just backfires.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      WinterWoodsGal wrote:
      Yes she pushed him over. She's a pushover. Lol

      Only to have Hook shoot her, in the back, a few hours later. Belle said it herself.... everytime she tries to be a hero, it just backfires.

      In other words she's given up on being a hero

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    • WinterWoodsGal wrote:

      In other words she's given up on being a hero

      I have to admit.... it would be pretty cool, if Belle turned evil.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      WinterWoodsGal wrote:

      In other words she's given up on being a hero

      I have to admit.... it would be pretty cool, if Belle turned evil.

      And then rumple would turn evil too

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    • WinterWoodsGal wrote:

      And then rumple would turn evil too

      Rumplestiltskin is already evil.... he would just become even more evil. It would be pretty ironic if the "Final Battle" Rumplestiltskin foresaw, was the ultimate end of the Dark One.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      WinterWoodsGal wrote:

      And then rumple would turn evil too

      Rumplestiltskin is already evil.... he would just become even more evil. It would be pretty ironic if the "Final Battle" Rumplestiltskin foresaw, was the ultimate end of the Dark One.

      ???

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    • WinterWoodsGal wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote: Rumplestiltskin is already evil.... he would just become even more evil. It would be pretty ironic if the "Final Battle" Rumplestiltskin foresaw, was the ultimate end of the Dark One.

      ???

      In the pilot, when Snow White and Prince Charming went to see Rumplestiltskin. He foresaw Emma returning on her 28th birthday, and that the Final Battle would begin.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      WinterWoodsGal wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote: Rumplestiltskin is already evil.... he would just become even more evil. It would be pretty ironic if the "Final Battle" Rumplestiltskin foresaw, was the ultimate end of the Dark One.

      ???

      In the pilot, when Snow White and Prince Charming went to see Rumplestiltskin. He foresaw Emma returning on her 28th birthday, and that the Final Battle would begin.

      Wasn't that just about breaking the curse?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      WinterWoodsGal wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote: Rumplestiltskin is already evil.... he would just become even more evil. It would be pretty ironic if the "Final Battle" Rumplestiltskin foresaw, was the ultimate end of the Dark One.

      ???
      In the pilot, when Snow White and Prince Charming went to see Rumplestiltskin. He foresaw Emma returning on her 28th birthday, and that the Final Battle would begin.


      I thought the "final battle" was the curse breaking, and everyone having to deal with the renewed conflict between Regina and MM/David.

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    • I think the "final battle" was just some bull he pulled out of his ass for dramatic effect.

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    • Utter solitude wrote: I think the "final battle" was just some bull he pulled out of his ass for dramatic effect.

      Sounds like him.

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    • She just sticks to her books nowadays.

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    • I have a slight suspicion that Milah would throw a jab at Belle for being younger than her, lol. At the time Milah and Rumplestilskin were still together, Milah herself looked to be about in her late 20's, or perhaps early 30's. But Belle looks like she is in her mid-20's.

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    • She would be pissed because he chose to see another woman, who was younger, more bubbly, prettier, and also has a similar accent. 

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    • Dan Fox wrote:
      She would be pissed because he chose to see another woman, who was younger, more bubbly, prettier, and also has a similar accent. 


      I wouldn't say it's a similar accent. Emilie de Ravin speaks with her natural Australian accent. Robert Carlyle, in real life, has a much more noticeable Scottish accent, but on the show, he tones it down a bit. I do not know what kind of British accent Rachel Shelley (Milah) has. It's quite hard to tell because though Rachel Shelley is British, the accents can vary depending on what region of England the person is from, and I'm don't have enough knowledge in deciphering accents by city regions of England. I also don't know if she used a different accent on the show than the one she speaks with in real life.

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    • Milah's accent is fairly... well, it sounds like what you'd expect to hear from middle/upper class citizens in large English cities, like London. I've never heard her speak in real life, though.

      It's funny, at least to me, who gets to keep their accents and who doesn't. Sarah Bolger is Irish, and she hides her accent, yet Jamie Dornan is from Northern Ireland and kept his. Anastasia Griffith grew up in London and hides her accent. Julian Morris is British and has his accent on-show. Eric Keenleyside, actually is Canadian, and puts on a fake Australian accent for the show... XD

      And Colin.. Colin has a heavy Irish accent in life, and uses a British one on the show. Sometimes I wonder if there's meant to be regions in the EF with these dialects.

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    • Honestly, I think Milah would be more concerned about Emma than Belle.  Milah ditched Rumple for Killian and a pirates life.  Now Emma has taken a firm hold of Killian's heart.

      And while Belle might or might not throw a punch, I think I can safely say that Emma would deck Milah.

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    • Ah, yes, Emma. Milah would be jealous of her for sure. 

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    • She would claim publicly that Emma doesn't Killian like she does. That she hasn't done much adventure things as her (Though we all know that Emma and Hook have done more advantages together than he has with Milah). Then Emma would deck her. This can be determined due to her determination to beat the living @#$! out of Tamara in 2.21, once she had proof to justify her actions in attacking her.

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    • Dan Fox wrote:
      She would claim publicly that Emma doesn't Killian like she does.

      Not necessarily.... as Milah probably would not be attracted, to the present-day Hook. 

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    • She would probably say that he has gone soft.

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    • Dan Fox wrote:
      She would probably say that he has gone soft.

      Well.... Milah was incredibly fickle, and superficial.

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    • Shallow as all hell.

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    • Belle is, like, 50 times the woman Milah ever was.

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    • Belle:

      What if...

      ..in order to Free the man/monster she loves, Belle frees  Rumple of the DO curse, knowing she'll become the DO next?

      ...would that be an act of true love?  Would that free them both?  And would the existance of DOs vanish forever?  (I am really hoping for this sort of storyline in general, before the show's end...so maybe?)

      (made an edit on this post.  realized i got confused about milah.  was confusing her w/ MARION in my dyslexic brain.)

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    • Harbinger3781 wrote:
      Belle is, like, 50 times the woman Milah ever was.

      Women have backbones, which is something Belle does not have.

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    • Forget about how Belle and Milah would've reacted, I can't imagine what would happen if Emma and Milah met! They would fight over Killian like he's the last man on earth. And poor Killian would be stuck in the middle. I can just imagine his mind through this all; Should i go with my past flame who has admitted her love for me, or the woman that has been rejecting me ever since we met? Choose wisely, Killian.

      (CaptainSwan)

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote: Honestly, I think Milah would be more concerned about Emma than Belle.  Milah ditched Rumple for Killian and a pirates life.  Now Emma has taken a firm hold of Killian's heart.

      And while Belle might or might not throw a punch, I think I can safely say that Emma would deck Milah.

      That's what i'm sayin'!

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    • MagicKaty1 wrote:
      I can't imagine what would happen if Emma and Milah met! They would fight over Killian like he's the last man on earth. 

      Nope.... Milah would not be attracted, to the present-day Hook. She would think, that he has gone soft. Not to mention, that he is now missing a hand.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      MagicKaty1 wrote:
      I can't imagine what would happen if Emma and Milah met! They would fight over Killian like he's the last man on earth. 

      Nope.... Milah would not be attracted, to the present-day Hook. She would think, that he has gone soft. Not to mention, that he is now missing a hand.

      I don't know... She fell for Rumple when he was sort of like that (they may not have "loved" each other, but still). He's still sexy and Emma was able to put the "one hand thing" behind her.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Harbinger3781 wrote:
      Belle is, like, 50 times the woman Milah ever was.
      Women have backbones, which is something Belle does not have.

      I must respectfully disagree with this statement, based on the following arguments:

      1. When Rumple was holding Robin Hood captive, Belle stood up to Rumple and freed Robin.

      2. She, using her books and wits, went out and overcame the Yaoguay (sp?), breaking the curse in the process.

      3. When Hook & Smee stole Bael's cloak from Gold, it was Belle that went out, faced Hook, and fetched the cloak back.

      4. With Ariel, Belle stood up against Michael and John when they tried to steal Pandora's box.

      Admittedly, she is no Snow White, Regina, or Emma.  But to say that she doesn't have a backbone sells her way short.  She has one when she needs it.

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    • You also forgot the time she stood up to Regina in 3.18 and Zelena in 3.20. More of her stronger moments.

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    • could you imagine milah and cora meeting lol

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    • MagicKaty1 wrote: Forget about how Belle and Milah would've reacted, I can't imagine what would happen if Emma and Milah met! They would fight over Killian like he's the last man on earth. And poor Killian would be stuck in the middle. I can just imagine his mind through this all; Should i go with my past flame who has admitted her love for me, or the woman that has been rejecting me ever since we met? Choose wisely, Killian.

      (CaptainSwan)

      OMG I don't even remember saying this but honestly, I still believe every word :) #CaptainSwan

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    • If Emma and Milah met. Milah would be like, "first you dated my son... then you pick Killian over my Son" and in Cora's voice, "Oh, you stupid foolish little girl! And Rumple called you The Savior!" Anybody else thinking Neal is with his mother right now, and they're finally getting to know each other and watching CS together and they're both disgusted about their relationship. OMG! It'll be like, Milah can't stand to watch CS together, bc even she knows it's wrong. First Emma dates Nealfire, August makes Neal sends her to jail, Emma has and gives up Henry, then 10 years later, Swanfire meet up again in Manhattan, Neal finds out about Henry. Then a year later, Neal dies and Henry barely even knew his father that long, yet he trusts Hook with Emma... if Milah came back from the dead, (Temporarily, I mean) and confronted Hook by punching him in the face. It'll be Millian vs CaptainSwan for sure, and then by the time Rumple finds out that a woman has been visiting Neal's grave everytime he does, he finds a pink rose instead of a red one. When Rilah do meet again, Neal is behind Milah in spirit and Rumple doesn't know what to think or say, expect when Belle shows up. Milah has a change of heart, she tells Belle that she's lucky to have Rumple and also says that she's not staying long. She'd be gone before anyone else knows (like Hook) she was alive. She's not there to ruin their marriage, but she made a promise to someone and knew she was the only one who could. But just as she leaves, she runs into Henry walking over to Neal's grave. Rumple notices Milah's look as Henry walked right pass her. Milah still leaves anyway, bc even she can't even look at her own grandson. She disappears, but is later seen spying on CS, just as Rumple catches Milah watching CS. Rumple knows she's here for Henry, he refuses to let her, she says their son wants Killian to tell Emma the truth, for once. He knows all about Emma, but not the true reason behind her. Rumple thinks she's here to breakup CS, but she says NO! She's there for Henry. She wants to know her grandson, she was there waiting for Neal. But she can only know Henry, if Emma knows the truth then Killian could move on with Emma and so could Rumple with Belle.

      I'd hate to admit it, but if A&E did this, then maybe it could be another way for Milah to forgive herself for the horrible things she had done, bc you're right she knows Killian better than anyone. After all, it was Liam's death that made him a Pirate in the first place. I think, if Milah does return, instead of been a villain, she's honoring her son's memory by resetting what should've not been done in the first place, not bc she's jealous of CS together, but bc even she knows it's wrong. Not only that, I think, it will make Milah have a connection with Henry, he'll get to meet his paternal-grandmother, so for her to honor Neal since Rumple isn't doing it, he's just getting worse by every episode, I blame the freakin' Hat. She needs to teach Hook a lesson, bc even Rumple knows this one fact. Killian took Milah from him, then Hook took Emma from their son, even if Emma chose to fall for Hook, just after Neal died. If Hook sees Milah, maybe she's only there bc she wants Hook to tell Emma the truth about who she really is to him, Emma has to know that she was Neal's mother and then maybe Emma will let Milah meet Henry and then after that Rumple might apologise for killing her, then she'll do the same for leaving him for Hook, then she'll tell him to forgive Hook for what she did to him and Baelfire. Maybe then, Rumple&Hook will stop fighting each other. Their rivalry will finally end, once and for all. Then after all of that, Milah disappears out of thin air, after she tells Henry that Neal is finally at peace. But she promises Henry, Neal will always be with him, all he has to do is believe that his father always will be. So once Milah leaves, Henry wakes up the next morning and sees The Ghost of His Father, before him. Since, Henry spent the night helping Belle with something in the library while Rumple sent Milah away by Neal's grave, and Belle comes to him and Henry doesn't tell her what's wrong, says he had a nightmare. This is the closure Rumple needs with Milah/Hook/Nealfire. Especially, Belle forgiving him about the dagger switch; so for a few episodes, Henry sees Neal but doesn't tell anyone, not even Rumple.

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    • Milah deserves the biggest punch in the face for abandoning her child. I don't care if your husband shames you...Bae deserved better. 

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    • Milah is a world class b**** (excuse my language xD). She abandoned her son and her coward of a husband (even though I am not on Team Rumple or Team Rumbelle right now, I still can't imagine the pain he must have felt) for a pirate. Not that I dislike Killian a single bit, but he was pretty selfish (though I probably wouldn't be a saint if I was in his position, or Milah's). But Milah still deserves a good slug in the nose (excuse my speaking, my dad and mum spent an entire decade studying in London for some stuff for work, and they brought back a few things xD)

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    • She was going to go back for Bae, but somehow I feel like she couldn't or only said that to Rumple and Hook to make herself look better. Somehow I feel like she didn't have it in her to both leave her husband and son then come back for her son and leave her husband childless.

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    • You know, if you look at it closely, some of the blame for Rumple becoming the DO can be set squarely on Milah (and maybe a little on Killian as well).  By running off and leaving Bae with Rumple, it put Rumple in the position of trying to protect Bae at all costs, by himself. Had Milah not run off, they could have dealt with the whole Ogre War drafting situation together and Milah might have been able to prevent Rumps from seeking the Dark One (though maybe not). and had Milah returned and collected Bae prior to the whole Ogre War drafting, then Rumps would not have sought the DO dagger to protect Bae.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote: You know, if you look at it closely, some of the blame for Rumple becoming the DO can be set squarely on Milah (and maybe a little on Killian as well).  By running off and leaving Bae with Rumple, it put Rumple in the position of trying to protect Bae at all costs, by himself. Had Milah not run off, they could have dealt with the whole Ogre War drafting situation together and Milah might have been able to prevent Rumps from seeking the Dark One (though maybe not). and had Milah returned and collected Bae prior to the whole Ogre War drafting, then Rumps would not have sought the DO dagger to protect Bae.

      Yeah, but I really don't think that Milah could have helped at all. They would have both been helpless, in fact, in terms of saving Bae from being drafted, so Rumps would still be "forced" to get the dagger. Milah would just have made some input, but honestly, Rumps wouldn't have listened to her.

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    • That makes some sense.  However, Milah still could have come back for Bae after she dumped Rumple and before he Turned into the Dark One.  He would have been powerless to stop her (or Killian) from taking Bae, and the option for becoming the Dark One might not have been available then.

      I'm not saying that Rumple is innocent, because he is guiltier than sin. (and digging the hole even deeper now).  My point is that Milah's actions contributed strongly to the direction that Rumple chose to go. And as I stated in the other thread that I started, this whole period of Rumple's life is pivotal to the rest of the entire story.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote: That makes some sense.  However, Milah still could have come back for Bae after she dumped Rumple and before he Turned into the Dark One.  He would have been powerless to stop her (or Killian) from taking Bae, and the option for becoming the Dark One might not have been available then.

      I'm not saying that Rumple is innocent, because he is guiltier than sin. (and digging the hole even deeper now).  My point is that Milah's actions contributed strongly to the direction that Rumple chose to go. And as I stated in the other thread that I started, this whole period of Rumple's life is pivotal to the rest of the entire story.

      I guess so. I would have loved to see Killian be an actual father to Bae, other than pretty much being a little more than friendly to him. But with Milah there, I just don't see that

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    • But here's the thing, like I've said previously, I don't think Rumple knows that it was Killian that gave Bae to Pan in the first place, since Hook didn't even know who Pan was to Rumple, if Rumple had known that Bae was with his evil grandfather, Rumpler's father, Malcolm then maybe Rumple would've found Bae sooner, but over a century later as Rumple was making more deals and training witches he would chose to make the Dark Curse so he could find Baelfire in LWM, while Hook was looking for TDOs dagger to kill Rumple avenging Milah. But I agree, Milah started this all, since her death, this rivalry between CaptainCrocodile has gone on long enough. Not to mention, I think the only reason Rumple truly never found Baelfire, or had he known his son was with his own father. Some of the blame of how Rumple is today is bc of Pan, not bc Malcolm left him as a boy, like he did with Baelfire. bc Malcolm wanted a better life for himself, bc Rumple was just wasting his time, getting in the way of his happiness, his son was holding him back, which is why he chose to stay in Neverland and traded himself so the shadow and him would be one in his youth bc a child couldn't have a child. But it's funny now I rewatch NastyHabits again recently, Pan said he was lonely in Neverland, which is why he started kidnapping boys and taking them back to Neverland, he told Rumple since he broke their deal, that Rumple would regret breaking that deal with him for Baelfire. So since, Hook gave Baelfire to his grandfather... Pan got what he wanted anyway, he got his grandson.

      Also, we still don't know who told Pan to let Baelfire go otherwise, he wouldn't have gotten Henry, who would've born with the Heart as The Truest Believer, we still don't even know Pan's prophecy as Henry wasn't only Rumple's undoing (which I still think is on-going, it hasn't ended yet), but Henry was also Pan's undoing as well, Pan needed Henry's heart so Malcolm could live forever. But I think when Pan died with Rumple, and then a year later, Neal dies by bringing Rumple back through his resurrection. I think, Rumple isn't himself anymore, he wants to be free of TDOs dagger, bc he doesn't want to be controlled by anyone. But if this plans succeeds which I have a feeling, it might happen coming mid-season finale, but if it doesn't, and he's freed and he leaves Storybrooke in 4B. Where would he go, New Jersey? Where Neal was supposibly raised for 10 years, until he got caught stealing those watches. I think, Rumple has found the person who convinced Pan to let Baelfire go, 21 years ago, the same person who gave Baelfire, the name Neal Cassidy, if it's any surprise, I wouldn't mind seeing someone who we think isn't dead from his past, bc Hook maybe the only one who knew Rumple pre-DO days. I think, it's someone where going to meet later on, the same person who probably told August that Neal's realname was Baelfire, then told him to breakup SF, bc that person knew, the price of SFs breakup would be the birth of Henry bc in all fairness, it's all Milah's fault, Baelfire never knew his mother, but he had always blamed Hook bc he was the pirate who broke up his parents. However, CaptainBae scenes were nice, before Neal died. But when you think about it, the moment Henry hits the darkside, this coming episode, since Henry will be acting like that 10y/o kid before he found Emma in Boston. It'll be nice for once, if Henry could show some magic of his own by 4Bs finale.

      If Emma is The Savior and the Product of True Love, and baby-Neal is also The Product of Snowing's Truest Love, then how come Henry is The Truest Believer, he believes in fairytales, but that's it! or we know from him, is that he has a special golden-heart. It's time to start putting him in harms way again, he almost died S1, well he did accidently by his adoptive mother, he was kidnapped in S2 finale by two idiots unknownly working for his great-grandfather, almost died again/bodyswitched in 3A by his great-grandfather, in 3B he was almost killed by his wicked adoptive aunt... Now in 4A, just 3 weeks ago, he was just harmed by his birth mother, WHATS NEXT! 4B, we find out Henry, like Regina can weild both light&dark magic. I think, Milah is the total cause of CaptainCrocodile's feud, sonce Neal died, Rumple was given Belle, even RB is rocking now. I blame Milah for all of Rumple's trust issues with women, Cora betrayed him so he got Regina to push MotherHeartless through to WL, then Zelena, well that was a freak accident, Rumple just wanted his dagger back. I swear, if they do something with GoldenQueen behind Belle's back, I'm gonna die! LOL OQ maybe sailing but GQ are better off as ONCE's Villain-ComicDuo! Nothing more! Thanks to Milah, Rumbelle's ship is gonna sink soon!

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Harbinger3781 wrote:
      Belle is, like, 50 times the woman Milah ever was.
      Women have backbones, which is something Belle does not have.


      Um, how does Belle not have a backbone? She stands up for herself all the time, and never takes anyone's crap. It's just that she's been brainwashed so many damn times that she can barely even think! Let alone survive in the diabolical OUAT universe all by herself.

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    • I might be on some lone island, but I actually like Milah. I think Milah, even in her strained relationship, was more of a match for Rumple. Funny enough though, Milah and Belle have some similarities. Both are adventurous, want to explore the world and stuff. When their relationship was at the start (in Manhattan), they seemed like a great couple and even Milah apologized after the bar scene when they went home. Just like Milah and somewhat Belle, she was trapped by societal pressure. She likely faced a lot of stuff we weren't shown and she was even the one who begged Rumple not to join the war. She simply crumbled under pressure and allowed emotions cloud her judgment. I'm also sure Milah would have returned for Balefire. It's not like she controlled where the ship would go. She simply asked Rumple to move, which he attempted to dissuade her. Why not? It may be hard, but it would have been a bit more helpful.

      Milah was almost an equal, Cora was a bit more than an equal, and Belle is definitely less of an equal.

      Belle does stand up for herself towards others, though several times looks a bit foolish (what was she going to do to Zelena? talk her out of it), but not often enough towards Rumple. She left Rumple and pretty much came beck to him in the same episode, or two. She is constantly played with by Rumple. Rumple tells her what to do, she listens and constantly spouts about seeing the good in him. She almost, to me, became a gloried cheerleader.

      What hurts her the most (besides lack of screentime) is that Rumple doesn't view her as highly as some think. Belle is like a flicker of light, while Baelfire is like his sun. He was almost fooled by shadow-Belle which toward the end wasn't like Belle at all. Belle is like his conscience, a small voice in him that he frequently ignores.

      Milah knew the original and coward Rumple, share a son, and his longest relationship yet (at least 10-15 years). Cora connected well with his dark side and even was an equal to him, in that brief moment (a couple of months to a year) Belle sees what she wants to see, a version of Rumple that he, himself doesn't see. Rumple sees Belle as a moral center and someone who shouldn't love him. (2 years max) Truly not that long, a couple of months at the dark castle, which most wasn't even a relationship. Thought she was dead until the end of the curse, then separated for a bit, then amnesia hit, then went to Neverland, then died, then was a slave to Zelena, then false proposal and marriage for a couple of weeks, now separated. When you look at it, you can see one reason their relationship didn't last long, because its brevity.

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    • Why does everyone defend Milah? XD, it's pretty simple: She was a hypocrite who didn't want Rumple to fight in the war and get hurt, and when that didn't happen, she was mad, and dumped her child on him and took off. She started slacking off and drinking with pirates, before deciding that a perfectly moral decision would be to leave her young son with her crippled, hated dad when they both loved her so much. Shouldn't her family be more important than some hottie?

      She deserved to have her heart ripped out of her chest, in my opinion. She was horrible to Rumple, and she abandoned her son, for absolutely no good reason. I don't care if she was miserable and poor, so was Cora, and even she was nicer than her.

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    • I know that I probably don't seem like I would, but I hate Rumbelle. I liked it in FTL and the beginning of S2, but then it got incredibly stupid. How can you say that his relationships with Cora and Milah were more real, though? XD, I love Cora, but she was a ruthless social climber who didn't care who she stepped on to get to the top. She had the hots for Rumple, sure, but she valued power above all else. Actually, that's how she fell for him--getting saved from death, learning to spin straw into gold, and winning the prince of a kingdom and becoming a royal is so attractive, no? :P

      Maybe Milah and Rumple had a happy marriage and genuinely loved each other in the past, but she was quick to hate him once society branded him a coward, and found that a good enough reason to ditch her husband and son for some pirate.

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    • Well, we can't say she was quick to hate him. She clearly was a bit quick tempered and we don't see her side of the story and what went on. And she wasn't worse than Cora, who literally abandoned her child to die. The episodes were highly sympathetic towards Rumple and Carlyle is a wonderful actor, but what he did was really selfish. He escaped his father's cowardice and went to war despite Milah not wanting him to go. He came back because someone told him something. HE put them in the lowly dregs of poverty and placed on his son what his father did to him, his tarnished reputation. Plus he also injured himself and took on a feminine job, probably putting Milah to try to help with some additional work. She likely left in a spur of the moment activity, and it's not like she controlled when the ship would return to the Frontlands.

      The worst anyone can say about her is that she is literally Rumple. She's got a temper like Rumple. She has characteristics of young Rumple. She wants to move where no one knows of Rumple's reputation and look for a better life. She accepted what was given to her for an answer. She's like older Rumple. She, like Rumple, left their child in a spur of the moment action and regretted it. She didn't leave Rumple for a pretty pirate, she left because after years of misery and likely social pressure, she cracked and in a spur of the moment gave in to the desire to leave.

      I don't like what Milah did, but she's no worse than Rumple. Some argue these relationships, with Cora and Milah, were more real is because Rumple treats like it is so. He constantly goes on about Belle not seeing him for his true self, how she'll leave him, how she can't ever love him. The others he didn't do that at all.

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    • You're right about Cora abandoning her child, but quite frankly, I liked her personality and not Milah's. Cora was a smart, cunning, ambitious woman. Milah was shallow and fickle, and had no nice qualities whatsoever. 

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    • Well right now with the story...

      Milah: I told you so. I tried to warn you but oh no, you were like "na ah, there is still good in him, true love can break any curse" and now look!

      Belle: =(

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    • SnowKingTE wrote: Well right now with the story...

      Milah: I told you so. I tried to warn you but oh no, you were like "na ah, there is still good in him, true love can break any curse" and now look!

      Belle: =(

      Yep, Milah is right. I think she may have been like Belle. Their marriage was happy, then took a turn for the worse, just like Belle's did. And that was without the Dark One curse.

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    • Yes, let's blame Rumple for everything. *sigh* I swear, if the genders were reversed... 

      Imagine it. Rumplestiltskin, a young, impressionable woman is in a happy marriage with her husband, and is taking care of their new baby. The war is taking anyone as soldiers, so she signs up. She doesn't want to be branded as a coward's daughter forever. The husband doesn't want her to go, but she promises that she'll be back to take care of their child. 

      At the camp, she learns that you must suffer injuries so horrible, that you become handicapped, to leave. The Seer tells her that her son will die while she's away, so she cripples herself, in rather gruesome fashion. 

      She is sent home, and her husband is furious with her. His wife is now the town coward, which makes him look bad. He leaves to go drink at the local bar, while Rumple cradles her son in her hands, crying and saying that she'll never leave him. 

      Who would you sympathize with? The brave girl who hurt herself to get back home to her family, or the husband who only cares about himself and his reputation. 

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    • DavidTennantismyAngel wrote: Yes, let's blame Rumple for everything. *sigh* I swear, if the genders were reversed... 

      Imagine it. Rumplestiltskin, a young, impressionable woman is in a happy marriage with her husband, and is taking care of their new baby. The war is taking anyone as soldiers, so she signs up. She doesn't want to be branded as a coward's daughter forever. The husband doesn't want her to go, but she promises that she'll be back to take care of their child. 

      At the camp, she learns that you must suffer injuries so horrible, that you become handicapped, to leave. The Seer tells her that her son will die while she's away, so she cripples herself, in rather gruesome fashion. 

      She is sent home, and her husband is furious with her. His wife is now the town coward, which makes him look bad. He leaves to go drink at the local bar, while Rumple cradles her son in her hands, crying and saying that she'll never leave him. 

      Who would you sympathize with? The brave girl who hurt herself to get back home to her family, or the husband who only cares about himself and his reputation. 

      I sympathize with both. The viewers saw Rumple's point of view, not Milah's. I say that Milah is no better than Rumple. Even with the roles reversed we have to consider their views and the society they lived in.

      Sympathizing with Rumple was the point of the flashbacks, it's the point of all the centric villain flashbacks. A marriage takes two, Milah was at fault and so was Rumple. You can absolve Rumple of his crimes. He selfishly crippled himself and sentenced his family to a slightly worse fate than if he died (which we don't know if he would have). Milah tried to help with suggesting to move (like young Rumple suggested to his father), he pushed the idea aside. Milah was in the wrong too. Drinking and publicly shaming her husband and stuff.

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    • Hmm, you actually have a point. She did suggest that they move. Publicly shaming her husband is just rude, though, and it wasn't helping her case. And for the hundredth time, she ditched the family that loved her to run off with a hot guy. I find it hard to even respect her, let alone sympathize with her.

      I know that Cora also abandoned her child, but again, her personality is nicer and she is a much more sympathetic character, in my opinion. Also, she wasn't loved. Everyone hated her and saw her as a filthy peasant. She was so frowned upon that the royals would actually abuse her and shame her in public. The most that Milah had to go through was losing some of the neighborhood's respect. Nobody hurt her or harassed her. In fact, people probably felt bad for her, being the town coward's wife. If she was really hated, Hook and his pirate friends wouldn't take a shine to her.

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    • Milah versus Cora in personality, I'd choose Milah. (I love Cora!) Milah was a bit quick-tempered but she was pretty much just parts of her husband's personality. We don't have a clue what she went through, which is why I defend her. Many people attack her without knowing her backstory or side of the story. It's like the earlier days of King George, who was indeed bad, but he was sympathetic once we learned his backstory and was a more effective ruler than I think Snow or Charming would be.

      Cora was a slave to her own ambition. Milah and Cora may have went through the same thing. We know pretty much what Cora went through, but not Milah. If it turns out Milah was just superficial and just jumped on man to man and saw away to leave forever and never returning for their son, then I'd probably not defend her.

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    • Here's the thing, though. Milah found a life of luxury with Hook, and couldn't bother to send some money to her starving, poor family. Cora was never that selfish. As abusive of a parent that she was, she really just wanted the best for Regina, and gave her everything that she never had. She had good intentions, and Milah had none. She only ever cared about herself, and that's why I don't like her.

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    • DavidTennantismyAngel wrote: Here's the thing, though. Milah found a life of luxury with Hook, and couldn't bother to send some money to her starving, poor family. Cora was never that selfish. As abusive of a parent that she was, she really just wanted the best for Regina, and gave her everything that she never had. She had good intentions, and Milah had none. She only ever cared about herself, and that's why I don't like her.

      I understand. If we got more of her point of view, we'd probably would like her a tad more. I take what Milah said to be true, but we don't know what happened in her regard. I doubt Milah was selfish, but definitely a bit fickle and impulsive. I'm sure if we saw Milah and Hook's time together (which I doubt we'll ever see) she would have been a better character.

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    • DavidTennantismyAngel wrote: Here's the thing, though. Milah found a life of luxury with Hook, and couldn't bother to send some money to her starving, poor family. Cora was never that selfish. As abusive of a parent that she was, she really just wanted the best for Regina, and gave her everything that she never had. She had good intentions, and Milah had none. She only ever cared about herself, and that's why I don't like her.

      Um, Cora was vastly more selfish. She abandoned a child to another land because that child couldn't bring her the royal status she so desired. She chose power over love, when she had the opportunity to choose love. Even in the fight on the day of her death, she chose to save the Dark One dagger before saving Regina.

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote: You know, if you look at it closely, some of the blame for Rumple becoming the DO can be set squarely on Milah (and maybe a little on Killian as well).  By running off and leaving Bae with Rumple, it put Rumple in the position of trying to protect Bae at all costs, by himself. Had Milah not run off, they could have dealt with the whole Ogre War drafting situation together and Milah might have been able to prevent Rumps from seeking the Dark One (though maybe not). and had Milah returned and collected Bae prior to the whole Ogre War drafting, then Rumps would not have sought the DO dagger to protect Bae.

      I know that I'm way way late to this conversation, but I gotta say, I don't think Milah would have stopped him from becoming the Dark One. I actually think Milah would have actually pushed him towards it, thinking that it would take bring respect back to the family. People would respect and fear him, and she wouldn't have to feel shame anymore.

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    • I don't think you can actively say she would push him towards it in a negative way, since he would already have pushed himself towards it because of their son. I like both Cora and Milah as characters, even Belle. Before Zelena (which she was definitely a partial retcon), Cora seemed like a decent person before removing her heart. She was understandably ambitious. Milah was a decent person who wasn't heeded and ended up in a shameful place in society and wanted more. That's why I realized the differences of Rumple's partners. Cora and Milah wanted more status in life, a better life than they were living, poor and stood up against Rumple right away. Belle was already of social status and was content with her noble rank, and was almost a complete door mat that Rumple could walk over, at least he thought. Milah, to me, was a real wife to Rumple. An almost equal partner in a simple relationship, she knew him how he was before. Belle was a weak partner in a complicated relationship, where she sees the coward Rumple, the Dark One, and her idealized good Rumple underneath.

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    • If Belle had any sense, she would listen to Milah.

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    • Just watched Family Business. Belle's reflection had much more sense than Belle. I hope that the Belle gets better treatment scriptwise this year. (Just a reminder, #NoSpoilers)

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    • Some of these comments are so full of hateful misandry and blatant sexism against men in assuming women are automatically victims (actually that's offensive to women!) but also assuming all men must be guilty.

      The comment about Belle's reflection and how "Milah is right" are just disgusting.

      I am in awe that there are still people who post the statement “Milah was trapped by Rumplestitlskin” in regard to when he was human and decided against going to the next town over.

      Yes, she wanted to leave but let us look at the facts.

      Fact 1: Their source of income was his thread spinning.  This is established fact.  Every village had at least one thread spinner.  This isn’t headcanon, it’s historic fact.  I know this isn’t an historic setting but they are wearing clothes and the show has established where thread and yarn come from.  So every village had to have had at least one spinner.  There is no denying that wherever they’d go there would be competition.

      Fact 2:  And this is a big one.  They have no horse.  In the middle ages (as I am making the comparison for established canon reasons) no one would just lend away a horse, especially to a family obviously intent on fleeing town.  And they clearly can’t afford a horse, they can’t even afford a proper front door (It’s a flap of fabric0>  When Rumplestiltskin tried to flee with Baelfire in the night during Desperate Souls they were on foot despite Rumplestiltskin’s hobbled walk.  If Milah, little Baelfire, and Rumplestiltskin fled their home they would have to take Rumplestiltskin’s spinning wheel with them or beg to survive.   How exactly would they carry his spinning wheel?  Rumplestiltskin had enough trouble staying up right.  Milah isn’t likely to carry it (and those things are heavy).  And Baelfire is out of the question, he was only maybe six-years-old.

      Fact 3:  Assuming they left the spinning wheel behind how would they earn an income in the next village?  Beggars and vagabonds are rarely welcome in already poor peasant villages.

      Fact 4: Milah constantly mocked and belittled him for running away and called him a coward and yet she was recommending running away.  He chose to stay even though the situation was bad, in the hope that it would get better. That takes courage.   It’s quite an hypocrisy that she wanted to run away but constant berated him for running away.

      I’m not justifying what happened in The Underworld. That was pretty damn horrible, but Rumplestiltskin (when human) did NOT abuse Milah.  She verbally abused him and neglected their child.   Yes, men can look after children too, but she was just at the bar drinking and mocking her disabled husband, who had been out earning money.  Think how you’d feel about a disabled woman coming home to a child by a burning Fireplace and the husband is in a bar with strange women mocking her.

      If it’s not okay for a husband to treat his wife like that, it’s not okay for a wife to treat a husband like that.   Gender does not automatically equate to fault.  That, children, is sexism and goes against true feminism which originally entailed looking at both genders as equal and being able to assess any situation the same way despite the genders of the participants.  If you change how you view something strictly based on the genders, that is sexism. 

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    • Nightling13 wrote:
      Some of these comments are so full of hateful misandry and blatant sexism against men in assuming women are automatically victims (actually that's offensive to women!) but also assuming all men must be guilty.

      The comment about Belle's reflection and how "Milah is right" are just disgusting.

      I am in awe that there are still people who post the statement “Milah was trapped by Rumplestitlskin” in regard to when he was human and decided against going to the next town over.

      Yes, she wanted to leave but let us look at the facts.

      Fact 1: Their source of income was his thread spinning.  This is established fact.  Every village had at least one thread spinner.  This isn’t headcanon, it’s historic fact.  I know this isn’t an historic setting but they are wearing clothes and the show has established where thread and yarn come from.  So every village had to have had at least one spinner.  There is no denying that wherever they’d go there would be competition.

      Fact 2:  And this is a big one.  They have no horse.  In the middle ages (as I am making the comparison for established canon reasons) no one would just lend away a horse, especially to a family obviously intent on fleeing town.  And they clearly can’t afford a horse, they can’t even afford a proper front door (It’s a flap of fabric0>  When Rumplestiltskin tried to flee with Baelfire in the night during Desperate Souls they were on foot despite Rumplestiltskin’s hobbled walk.  If Milah, little Baelfire, and Rumplestiltskin fled their home they would have to take Rumplestiltskin’s spinning wheel with them or beg to survive.   How exactly would they carry his spinning wheel?  Rumplestiltskin had enough trouble staying up right.  Milah isn’t likely to carry it (and those things are heavy).  And Baelfire is out of the question, he was only maybe six-years-old.

      Fact 3:  Assuming they left the spinning wheel behind how would they earn an income in the next village?  Beggars and vagabonds are rarely welcome in already poor peasant villages.

      Fact 4: Milah constantly mocked and belittled him for running away and called him a coward and yet she was recommending running away.  He chose to stay even though the situation was bad, in the hope that it would get better. That takes courage.   It’s quite an hypocrisy that she wanted to run away but constant berated him for running away.

      I’m not justifying what happened in The Underworld. That was pretty damn horrible, but Rumplestiltskin (when human) did NOT abuse Milah.  She verbally abused him and neglected their child.   Yes, men can look after children too, but she was just at the bar drinking and mocking her disabled husband, who had been out earning money.  Think how you’d feel about a disabled woman coming home to a child by a burning Fireplace and the husband is in a bar with strange women mocking her.

      If it’s not okay for a husband to treat his wife like that, it’s not okay for a wife to treat a husband like that.   Gender does not automatically equate to fault.  That, children, is sexism and goes against true feminism which originally entailed looking at both genders as equal and being able to assess any situation the same way despite the genders of the participants.  If you change how you view something strictly based on the genders, that is sexism. 

      I think I read this exact same thing on the IMDB message boards before they were taken down.

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    • Nightling13, you are right on the money. Milah did make their bad situation worse and did deserve her first death (which ironically was a gift from her crappy life) but didn't really deserve her second death because with the countless amount of years spent in the Underworld, she realized who she truly needed: Her son. 

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    • Maybe what if not only Belle and Milah, but also when all women whom have past relationships with Rumple, all be in one room with Rumple. Belle, Milah, Cora (with her heart inside her), Zelena, and The Evil Queen XD

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