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  • Apparently, OUaT was filming at a church   recently.

    Will a beloved character die.... and if so, who?

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    • O.O..The obvious guess is Rumple...hmm...! I can't wait!

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    • Or Charming from the cure.

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    • Hm. Well, I wondered a bit about if they planned to kill someone off. They are Lost-writers, ain't they? Didn't they kill at least one main character every season? I've only watched the first season.

      We have Graham in Season 1. Archie's fake-death in Season 2. August turning back into a child. I kind of consider it, because they kind of killed August's adult personality. I don't think they killed a beloved character in Season 2...

      So who's going to die... I don't care much about Rumple, but I know he's a fan favorite. Many of the fans on the show came because of Robert Carlyle. I wonder if they kill him - will they lose some fans? I really hope it isn't David, because I want him having his happily ever after with Snow...

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    • What about Cora in season 2?

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    • Watch them kill Hook to resolve the love triangle.

      Anyone watch Arrow? #TommyMerlyn #ButactuallyIbawledmyeyesoutduringthatscene

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    • Not Rumple D; If he got killed off I'd sense a riot! ;D And I'm it's leader ;D

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    • Hook, probably. He'll be a man of honor and die for SwanFire.

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    • Why do I get the feeling the victim's slot will be filled by Robin Hood, during the second half?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Why do I get the feeling the victim's slot will be filled by Robin Hood, during the second half?

      Gewwwwd point..:3...

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Why do I get the feeling the victim's slot will be filled by Robin Hood, during the second half?

      itsn't Robin Hood getting with Regina? I don't know if they would kill off another one of her boyfriends.

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    • Ruby ridinghood wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Why do I get the feeling the victim's slot will be filled by Robin Hood, during the second half?
      itsn't Robin Hood getting with Regina? I don't know if they would kill off another one of her boyfriends.

      No, you misunderstood me.... I meant, Sean Maguire might end up being promoted.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Ruby ridinghood wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Why do I get the feeling the victim's slot will be filled by Robin Hood, during the second half?
      itsn't Robin Hood getting with Regina? I don't know if they would kill off another one of her boyfriends.
      No, you misunderstood me.... I meant, Sean Maguire might end up being promoted.


      I misunderstood it as well - Since I know now what you mean, I can see what you meant, but it can also be seen the other way.

      But I can see that. But I wonder if, when they say beloved, has it to be a main character? It could be Grumpy, Granny or someone of this caliber. Cora wasn't a main, and she was Season 2's victim.

      But I could see it to be David in some twisted way. Maybe they never find the cure for leaving Neverland, and David decides he wants to rather die than stay in Neverland forever?

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    • PinkBell wrote:

      But I could see it to be David in some twisted way. Maybe they never find the cure for leaving Neverland, and David decides he wants to rather die than stay in Neverland forever?

      That could definitely work, as it fits David's personality. Being stuck in Neverland forever, is a fate worse than death.

      Arctucrus wrote:
      Watch them kill Hook to resolve the love triangle.

      Anyone watch Arrow? #TommyMerlyn #ButactuallyIbawledmyeyesoutduringthatscene

      Really?

      Not that I actually watch Arrow, on a regular basis.... but I thought, Tommy was killed off, so as not to become the next Dark Archer.

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    • I hope noone important. We have Game of Thrones, The Walking Dead and similar shows with main characters dropping like flies. Anyway, if they choose to kill one of the main characters I hope they'll do that in purpose of moving the story forward, not just to induce "They just didn't do that" reaction from us.

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    • Not a main cast member! Unless it's Neal, or Henry. I'm not a huge fan of the charming couple, but I don't want them to kill one of them off, meaning David. And they also said it was a beloved character, not necessarily and hopefully not a main cast member. If I had to make my pick, it would be granny. I know she is funny and I have nothing against her, but it would be the easiest; she is older and less pivotal to the main story. Yet I'm sure that is what they want to do. So if it is a main cast, my first choice would be Neal.

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    • Spoilertv published a list and apparently it will be one of these characters : 

      http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/11/once-upon-time-season-3-death-spoiler.html

      Personnaly, I would point the Blue Fairy since she had an arguement with Tinkerbell in the past, and Tinkerbell was capable of killing Regina. And Matt Mittovich said there will be a confrontation between the two fairies. On the other hand, killing Blue would compromise Tinkerbell's presence in Storybrooke, so I'm not sure. 

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    • Thanks for the article! I'm glad none of my favorites are in DANGER!

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    • I think Hook will die honorably knowing Emma will never love him, but he will die so SwanFire can happen and both Emma and Neal can be happy. That would be Hook's redemption.

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    • Noo whyy

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    • WINXBAND wrote: Noo whyy

      Is it just me or does it seem everybody started shipping CaptainSwan after Ariel, which was more of a SwanFire episode?

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    • I'm thinking Ruby now, if they can get her back for one or two episodes.

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    • Sora1954 wrote:

      Personnaly, I would point the Blue Fairy since she had an arguement with Tinkerbell in the past, and Tinkerbell was capable of killing Regina. And Matt Mittovich said there will be a confrontation between the two fairies. On the other hand, killing Blue would compromise Tinkerbell's presence in Storybrooke, so I'm not sure. 

      Or, it could be the other way around.... that the Blue Fairy kills Tinker Bell, during their confrontation. This would set up, who the Big Bad of the second half will be. 

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    • I doubt it's Snow or Charming, or Neal, Ruby, Granny, BF, or Tink...my bet is with Hook, but IDK, Archie or Geppetto, something about them haha makes me think it's one of them. My bet though is Hook, as I said before.

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
      I doubt it's Snow or Charming, or Neal, Ruby, Granny, BF, or Tink...my bet is with Hook, but IDK, Archie or Geppetto, something about them haha makes me think it's one of them. My bet though is Hook, as I said before.

      But Hook is one of those characters that too many people adore D;

      So which Ep. is this suppose to happen?

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    • XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      Not Rumple D; If he got killed off I'd sense a riot! ;D And I'm it's leader ;D

      I will definitely be a follower. XD

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    • OMG I don't want no one to die... It won't be the same anymore...

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    • XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:
      I doubt it's Snow or Charming, or Neal, Ruby, Granny, BF, or Tink...my bet is with Hook, but IDK, Archie or Geppetto, something about them haha makes me think it's one of them. My bet though is Hook, as I said before.
      But Hook is one of those characters that too many people adore D;

      So which Ep. is this suppose to happen?

      311 at least is the Funeral I believe, the death could be then or earlier

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    • I hope it's not Snow, Charming or Neal. I mean, Neal just recovered from almost dying, now they're gonna finish the job? It would also be unfair to SwanThief fans, considering the writers have just thrown out there that Neal is never gonna stop fighting for Emma.

      Snow and Charming? Really really really hope it's not the case.

      I hope it's not Hook as well. And why would they kill him off now that they've created this interesting triangle dynamic that many fans have begun to enjoy? He's also a fan favorite.

      I can see it being Blue or Ruby.

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    • Blue is too all knowing and powerful to kill. The queen of fairies basically. It wouldn't make sense. It also wouldn't make sense that she would kill Tinkerbell, because fairies don't do dark things.

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    • We haven't actually seen if killing fairies is a hard thing to do or not. Rumple killed one in a heartbeat. Granted, Blue could be more difficult to kill, considering she appears to be the "superior". But we haven't seen how powerful she is if she turns out to be in a life-threatening situation.

      What wouldn't make sense to me is if they decided to kill one of the regulars (Snow, Charming, Neal or Hook). What would also make no sense to me is if they decided to kill someone like Geppetto, Archie or Granny. They're okay characters but they're not fan favorites, I don't think many people would qualify their deaths as "an instense scene". But that's just my opinion, I might be wrong.

      And then there's Ruby, Tinkerbell and the Blue Fairy. Those are the ones that seem more plausible to me. I hope it's not Tink, because she just arrived and I thought she was a good addition to the cast. Ruby makes sense because Meghan Ory is now doing another show. But maybe the writers don't want us to think "oh, they're just killing her off because Meghan is leaving the show", idk. That's why I think it also makes sense that it could be Blue. Many people don't like her, but most characters have a very high opinion of her, which would qualify her death as intense for them.

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    • My money's on Tink or Ruby. I can see the tragedy of Tink getting her powers back only to die, which would serve as a catalyst to action (against the big bad who kills her) for the back half of the season. Ruby is plausible for the whole actress doing another show. I know it's the obvious choice, but no where in that spoiler does it say it isn't the obvious choice. 

      I think the key here is the spoiler using 'beloved' over 'main', The main characters, or season regulars, are Emma, Regina, Rump, Snow, Charming, Hook, Neal and Henry. Tinkerbell (as a character beyond this show) is beloved. Ruby (as a character on this show) is the same. Maybe Granny too. I don't really see Archie or Blue as beloved, personally. Liked, sure. But then again, Archie will be getting some screen time coming up in flashbacks, so who's to say that isn't foreshadowing. 

      ETA: Apparently Raphael Sbarge is also on a new show next year? So maybe it could be Archie. 

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    • They was two shows listed, and it may just be a guest appearence. 

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    • I think its Peter Pan.

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    • He's not on the list .

      Nor would I qualify him as a "beloved" character who gets to have people attend his funeral in a church :|

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    • Sora1954 wrote: Spoilertv published a list and apparently it will be one of these characters : 

      http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/11/once-upon-time-season-3-death-spoiler.html

      Personnaly, I would point the Blue Fairy since she had an arguement with Tinkerbell in the past, and Tinkerbell was capable of killing Regina. And Matt Mittovich said there will be a confrontation between the two fairies. On the other hand, killing Blue would compromise Tinkerbell's presence in Storybrooke, so I'm not sure. 


      In that page it says that one of these characters will die: Snow White:I seriously doubt it and I would really like her and David have their happy ending.

      Prince Charming:I don't think so cause you just got cured of the poison but, he may die for other reasons, but I really want to see him and Snow have their happy ending.

      Hook:DONT EVEN TRY, Hook is one of my favorite characters and even though his happy ending would be to die and to be reunited with Milah, I wouldn't like to see him die.

      Neal:I'd hate to see that happen cause y really hope Neal and Emma have their happy ending, because Tallahassee was one of my favorite episodes and I would like to see Henry with a complete family.

      Ruby:It would make a lot of sense as Megan Ory is doing another show and can't be on the show so often, so killing her would be pretty easy, but I hope they don't cause I really like the character.

      Granny:I hope it's her, I don't hate her or something simply think she isn't a super awesome character, but if she does die I would really cry when Ruby would cry or something.

      Blue Fairy:It may be her but it would be after she's confronted by Tink, and I would really like to see some bonding time between them as she trains her to be a Fairy.

      Archie:NO, he was already supposedly "killed" in season two, please don't start repeating things, please.

      Tinkerbell:It may be her, but it would be after she confronts Blue, but as I said with Blue I would really like to see her training to be a Fairy Godmother.

      Geppetto:I doubt it's him as he has to care for young Pinocchio and they wouldn't do that because Pinocchio lost him once.

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    • Though like it says it's gonna be in storybrooke they could be killed by the two intruders?

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    • Pan's shadow wrote:
      Though like it says it's gonna be in storybrooke they could be killed by the two intruders?

      The two intruders.... a.k.a. Glasses and Keychain, who are probably the Darling boys?

      I doubt it.... them being anagonists, is probably a one time thing, due to the safety of their sister. In spoiler pictures , they are seen on the docks of Storybrooke with everyone else.

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    • I think Robin Hood might be the next one dead. The writers hinted that regina's love will end in a tragedy..... :P But that would be sad....

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    • OnceUponARavenclaw wrote:
      I think Robin Hood might be the next one dead. The writers hinted that regina's love will end in a tragedy..... :P But that would be sad....

      If Robin Hood dies, it will not be until around the season finale.

      The tragedy, the creators were referring to, was the events of the 3.03 flashback. How Regina was too scared to meet the man, who was destined to be her soulmate.

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    • This made me relax a little bit. And this also makes me continue thinking Blue might be the one to go:

      Do you know something about a beloved character dying on Once Upon a Time?


      Reports of such a death are greatly exaggerated — or at least “not exactly on target,” sources tell me. That said, Peter Pan’s shadow is going to do something pretty horrific, quite soon, and the ramifications will be felt deeply among our heroes and villains.

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    • Rafadeq wrote:
      This made me relax a little bit. And this also makes me continue thinking Blue might be the one to go:

      Do you know something about a beloved character dying on Once Upon a Time?


      Reports of such a death are greatly exaggerated — or at least “not exactly on target,” sources tell me. That said, Peter Pan’s shadow is going to do something pretty horrific, quite soon, and the ramifications will be felt deeply among our heroes and villains.

      Interesting. 

      I definitely see the argument for Blue. I wonder if there's an argument for any other character though...can't think of one off the top of my head.

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
      Rafadeq wrote:
      This made me relax a little bit. And this also makes me continue thinking Blue might be the one to go:

      Do you know something about a beloved character dying on Once Upon a Time?


      Reports of such a death are greatly exaggerated — or at least “not exactly on target,” sources tell me. That said, Peter Pan’s shadow is going to do something pretty horrific, quite soon, and the ramifications will be felt deeply among our heroes and villains.

      Interesting. 

      I definitely see the argument for Blue. I wonder if there's an argument for any other character though...can't think of one off the top of my head.

      If the ramifications will be felt between Heros and Villians alike? The only person I can think of that will affect both heros and villians is Baelfire. Blue might not be missed by the likes of Rumple and Regina. But I hope/know i'm 100% wrong.

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    • XxBadWolfxX wrote:

      If the ramifications will be felt between Heros and Villians alike? The only person I can think of that will affect both heros and villians is Baelfire. 

      There is always Henry.... as the heroes, and villains care deaply for him.

      Interesting that you mention Neal, though. The title of the mid-season premiere, is New York City Serenade. Although we did not know who he was, we were first introduced to Neal in New York City.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      XxBadWolfxX wrote:

      If the ramifications will be felt between Heros and Villians alike? The only person I can think of that will affect both heros and villians is Baelfire. 

      There is always Henry.... as the heroes, and villains care deaply for him.

      Interesting that you mention Neal, though. The title of the mid-season premiere, is New York City Serenade. Although we did not know who he was, we were first introduced to Neal in New York City.

      I thought Bae for a moment, too, but see I include Peter Pan as a villain, and IDK that Bae's passing would really bother Pan much.

      Were it Blue, on the other hand, I can easily see the ramifications of her death affecting even Pan, considering his whole "save magic" thang.

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    • Arctucrus wrote:

      Were it Blue, on the other hand, I can easily see the ramifications of her death affecting even Pan, considering his whole "save magic" thang.

      Peter Pan is not trying to save magic, he is trying to save himself.

      According to Wendy , Peter Pan is dying, and needs Henry's heart to survive.

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      XxBadWolfxX wrote:

      If the ramifications will be felt between Heros and Villians alike? The only person I can think of that will affect both heros and villians is Baelfire. 

      There is always Henry.... as the heroes, and villains care deaply for him.

      Interesting that you mention Neal, though. The title of the mid-season premiere, is New York City Serenade. Although we did not know who he was, we were first introduced to Neal in New York City.

      I thought Bae for a moment, too, but see I include Peter Pan as a villain, and IDK that Bae's passing would really bother Pan much.

      Were it Blue, on the other hand, I can easily see the ramifications of her death affecting even Pan, considering his whole "save magic" thang.

      Well It can't be Henry.;D He's not on "da list". Pan might be sad over Blue

      but in my eyes Bae is the only one on that list who's death will affect villians & heros.

      Hook, Pan, Rumple & the lost boys. (Except Felix)

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:

      Were it Blue, on the other hand, I can easily see the ramifications of her death affecting even Pan, considering his whole "save magic" thang.

      Peter Pan is not trying to save magic, he is trying to save himself.

      According to Wendy , Peter Pan is dying, and needs Henry's heart to survive.

      Rightttttt ignore me forgot about that. ._.

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    • Arctucrus wrote:

      Rightttttt ignore me forgot about that. ._.

      Peter Pan is pretty charismatic ;)

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    • I was actually thinking the death would be one thing and the horrific thing Shadow is going to do would be another one.

      I don't think Neal is dying. The fact that the "reports on that death were greatly exaggerated" gives me the idea that none of the main characters will die. Instead, it is going to be intese, like that first report said, but we (the audience) will not be traumatized forever.

      I'm thinking Blue will die and the nasty thing Shadow will do is "simply" to cast the curse in Storybrooke or maybe seriously injure another character, like Regina (since there are pics of her on the floor with Henry crying over her). I honestly think heroes (Snow, Charming, Emma and specially Henry) would "feel deeply", like the report says, just like maybe even villains (Hook and Rumple) would be shocked to see something like that happen.

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    • Rafadeq wrote:
      I was actually thinking the death would be one thing and the horrific thing Shadow is going to do would be another one.

      I was think that, too. However, what if the Shadow killing someone, is what causes this rumored new curse?

      Let us assume it will be the Blue Fairy, who dies. She is the head fairy, and said to be the most powerful. Killing someone of that level, would have severe magical consequences. 

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    • Rafadeq wrote:
      I was actually thinking the death would be one thing and the horrific thing Shadow is going to do would be another one.

      I don't think Neal is dying. The fact that the "reports on that death were greatly exaggerated" gives me the idea that none of the main characters will die. Instead, it is going to be intese, like that first report said, but we (the audience) will not be traumatized forever.

      I'm thinking Blue will die and the nasty thing Shadow will do is "simply" to cast the curse in Storybrooke or maybe seriously injure another character, like Regina (since there are pics of her on the floor with Henry crying over her). I honestly think heroes (Snow, Charming, Emma and specially Henry) would "feel deeply", like the report says, just like maybe even villains (Hook and Rumple) would be shocked to see something like that happen.

      I guess your right ( : And I hope it's not Neal. Since seeing him give Wendy a hug, he got promoted to my favorite. He seems like a guy that no matter the cost to him, he puts his friends and family first. Even letting Emma go so she can break te curse looked more like an act of bravery and care. tho she had to endure Jail first, she was reunited with her family. Idk thats how I see him now ( :

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    • Wendy?

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    • Call me a monster, but I'm secretly hoping it is Henry. Not gonna happen, I know, but still...

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    • You're not the only one honey.

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    • GothicNarcissus wrote:
      Call me a monster, but I'm secretly hoping it is Henry. Not gonna happen, I know, but still...

      Omg Whyy D;

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    • GothicNarcissus wrote:
      Call me a monster, but I'm secretly hoping it is Henry. Not gonna happen, I know, but still...

      I am, why? And any characters have to die i hope its the blue fairy. She stop grumpy from getting his happy ending! and sorta acts like she better than anyone, not in a ' I'm a fairy and I'm a higher species ' but in a ' I'm better than anyone else because I am and that's the only explaination you need ' i hate her with a burning passion


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    • Because he's annoying as hell, basically. Had he been a better, more loving son, Regina would have been a better person herself. Maybe she loved him in the wrong way and for the wrong reasons, like she did Owen, but she would have learned the right way if only he had showed her some affection and love before. I hate the way he treats her, always demanding more and more right now from her, when she's really doing her best to deconstruct a mindset her mother built abusing her her whole life and be a better person.

      Also, his sense of reality is extremely underdeveloped even for an eleven year old. He has no grip over how in real life good and evil are not absolute concepts, he expects everybody to stick to his model of pure good totally ignoring they have got personalities and pas experiences.

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    • It wouldn't bother me too much if Henry or Neal was to die. I just really don't want it to be Tinkerbelle or Regina.

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    • he's 11 and regina raised him you can't expect a 11-year-old be loving to a evil queen, even if she wasn't evil in the begining, children adopt their behavior from people around them, Regina probably wasn't very loving to him. because of her own mother. and he doesn't expect alot she takes baby steps which is ok but she keeps relapsing and he's 11 i know i'm saying this alot and he's prince charming and snow white's grandchild so of course he's going to think there's only good vs. evil until he's older enough to realize there's a gray area

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    • GothicNarcissus wrote:
      Because he's annoying as hell, basically. Had he been a better, more loving son, Regina would have been a better person herself. Maybe she loved him in the wrong way and for the wrong reasons, like she did Owen, but she would have learned the right way if only he had showed her some affection and love before. I hate the way he treats her, always demanding more and more right now from her, when she's really doing her best to deconstruct a mindset her mother built abusing her her whole life and be a better person.

      Also, his sense of reality is extremely underdeveloped even for an eleven year old. He has no grip over how in real life good and evil are not absolute concepts, he expects everybody to stick to his model of pure good totally ignoring they have got personalities and pas experiences.

      What concept of Good and Evil? All Henry wants from Regina was to not hurt other fellow

      Residents in Storybrooke. Henry has compassion for the townfolk. Same exact thing with Neal and Rumple. Henry's main focus is on Regina NOT hurting/killing another human being.

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    • GothicNarcissus wrote:
      Because he's annoying as hell, basically. Had he been a better, more loving son, Regina would have been a better person herself. Maybe she loved him in the wrong way and for the wrong reasons, like she did Owen, but she would have learned the right way if only he had showed her some affection and love before. I hate the way he treats her, always demanding more and more right now from her, when she's really doing her best to deconstruct a mindset her mother built abusing her her whole life and be a better person.

      Also, his sense of reality is extremely underdeveloped even for an eleven year old. He has no grip over how in real life good and evil are not absolute concepts, he expects everybody to stick to his model of pure good totally ignoring they have got personalities and pas experiences.

      Henry is one of the three character I wanna smack in each episode, with the other two being Charming and Rumple. His behavior is terrible, I mean seriously no parents should have to walk around on egg shells around their kids the way every parental figure Henry has does. He really doesn't seem to grasp that everyones just human and they make wrong choices sometimes, instead he turns against them on when they don't live up to his standards.

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    • YayMona wrote:

      Henry is one of the three character I wanna smack in each episode, with the other two being Charming and Rumple. His behavior is terrible, I mean seriously no parents should have to walk around on egg shells around their kids the way every parental figure Henry has does. He really doesn't seem to grasp that everyones just human and they make wrong choices sometimes, instead he turns against them on when they don't live up to his standards.

      Agreed.... Henry treats both Emma, and Regina like complete garbage.

      Henry is a selfish, spoiled brat who needs to be put in his place. He is a child.... and children have no right, dictating how their parents should treat them. Henry should count himself lucky, that Regina did not ship him off to reform-school.

      Maybe, Regina and Emma will send him to boarding school? That would be a great way to write off Henry, without killing him. Jared Gilmore's acting has become progressively worse, as the series goes on. Plus, he is starting to look too old.... it is only a matter of time, before puberty hits.

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    • He's also guillable to no end. He does harm even when he tries to do good (see 3x07), and is totally ready to believe anything based on nothing. Incidentally the curse was real, but he would have believed in it even if it hadn't been. Same goes with Peter Pan: he totally bought Wendy's story without questioning it even for a second. And I mean, yes, he is eleven years old, but isn't that the age kids start questioning childish beliefs? .-.

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    • GothicNarcissus wrote:
      He's also guillable to no end. He does harm even when he tries to do good (see 3x07), and is totally ready to believe anything based on nothing. Incidentally the curse was real, but he would have believed in it even if it hadn't been. Same goes with Peter Pan: he totally bought Wendy's story without questioning it even for a second. And I mean, yes, he is eleven years old, but isn't that the age kids start questioning childish beliefs? .-.

      Ironically, this is exactly why Henry is the Truest Believer. No wonder it took Peter Pan, so long to find him.... most children are not that stupid, or gulliable. Would I be giving the writers too much credit by saying, this was their intention?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      GothicNarcissus wrote:
      He's also guillable to no end. He does harm even when he tries to do good (see 3x07), and is totally ready to believe anything based on nothing. Incidentally the curse was real, but he would have believed in it even if it hadn't been. Same goes with Peter Pan: he totally bought Wendy's story without questioning it even for a second. And I mean, yes, he is eleven years old, but isn't that the age kids start questioning childish beliefs? .-.
      Ironically, this is exactly why Henry is the Truest Believer. No wonder it took Peter Pan, so long to find him.... most children are not that stupid, or gulliable. Would I be giving the writers too much credit by saying, this was their intention?

      I feel as tho Henry's beliefs and feelings come from wanting to be a Hero. Wanting to save people and see them unharmed. In "Manhattan" Henry was a bug, but many times he cared about how Rumple was doing.

      Like I mentioned, the only times he told off Regina was when she was hurting others. Which I think is a noble trait. Going to lenths to stand up even to loved ones on behalf of his friends. Henry is not like other kids these days. He thinks about and cares for the safety of others. 

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    • XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      GothicNarcissus wrote:
      He's also guillable to no end. He does harm even when he tries to do good (see 3x07), and is totally ready to believe anything based on nothing. Incidentally the curse was real, but he would have believed in it even if it hadn't been. Same goes with Peter Pan: he totally bought Wendy's story without questioning it even for a second. And I mean, yes, he is eleven years old, but isn't that the age kids start questioning childish beliefs? .-.
      Ironically, this is exactly why Henry is the Truest Believer. No wonder it took Peter Pan, so long to find him.... most children are not that stupid, or gulliable. Would I be giving the writers too much credit by saying, this was their intention?
      I feel as tho Henry's beliefs and feelings come from wanting to be a Hero. Wanting to save people and see them unharmed. In "Manhattan" Henry was a bug, but many times he cared about how Rumple was doing.

      Like I mentioned, the only times he told off Regina was when she was hurting others. Which I think is a noble trait. Going to lenths to stand up even to loved ones on behalf of his friends. Henry is not like other kids these days. He thinks about and cares for the safety of others. 

      Sure, but once Regina started to reedem herself, all she got was a couple of hugs every now and then. A bit too little for someone who's taken care of you all your life.

      Henry's real problem, imo, is that he has never outgrown his mere plot device status. He's there to set the story in motion. Need to bring Emma to Storybrooke? Henry. Need her to start a feud with Regina? Henry. Need her to believe in the curse? Henry. Need the Charmings to save Regina at cost of sending Emma and Mary Margaret to the Enchanted Forest? Henry. Need Regina to start rediming herself? Henry. Need to give Rumple a new storyline after he finds his son? Henry. Need Cora to turn Regina back to evil? Henry. Need to take everybody to Neverland? Henry.

      Okay, he's serving his purpose, but as a character he's useless. He hasn't done a single good – or by that matter interesting – thing by himself except bossing around and giving unappliable moral advice. Even when he tried, it turned out to be much ado about nothing (see Wendy in last week's episode). He really needs to develop into something, otherwise he'll keep on getting more and more annoying.

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    • I generally like Henry, even if he is most of the time gullible and sometimes annoying.

      But at the end of this episode ("Think Lovely Thoughts") I wanted to throw a shoe at him.

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    • SEE? SEE? Told you!

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    • I still don't want him to die, though.

      I'd like to see someone tell him how reckless and stupid he was when they save him, hehe.

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    • Rafadeq wrote:

      But at the end of this episode ("Think Lovely Thoughts") I wanted to throw a shoe at him.

      +1

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    • GothicNarcissus wrote:
      XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      GothicNarcissus wrote:
      He's also guillable to no end. He does harm even when he tries to do good (see 3x07), and is totally ready to believe anything based on nothing. Incidentally the curse was real, but he would have believed in it even if it hadn't been. Same goes with Peter Pan: he totally bought Wendy's story without questioning it even for a second. And I mean, yes, he is eleven years old, but isn't that the age kids start questioning childish beliefs? .-.
      Ironically, this is exactly why Henry is the Truest Believer. No wonder it took Peter Pan, so long to find him.... most children are not that stupid, or gulliable. Would I be giving the writers too much credit by saying, this was their intention?
      I feel as tho Henry's beliefs and feelings come from wanting to be a Hero. Wanting to save people and see them unharmed. In "Manhattan" Henry was a bug, but many times he cared about how Rumple was doing.

      Like I mentioned, the only times he told off Regina was when she was hurting others. Which I think is a noble trait. Going to lenths to stand up even to loved ones on behalf of his friends. Henry is not like other kids these days. He thinks about and cares for the safety of others. 

      Sure, but once Regina started to reedem herself, all she got was a couple of hugs every now and then. A bit too little for someone who's taken care of you all your life.

      Henry's real problem, imo, is that he has never outgrown his mere plot device status. He's there to set the story in motion. Need to bring Emma to Storybrooke? Henry. Need her to start a feud with Regina? Henry. Need her to believe in the curse? Henry. Need the Charmings to save Regina at cost of sending Emma and Mary Margaret to the Enchanted Forest? Henry. Need Regina to start rediming herself? Henry. Need to give Rumple a new storyline after he finds his son? Henry. Need Cora to turn Regina back to evil? Henry. Need to take everybody to Neverland? Henry.

      Okay, he's serving his purpose, but as a character he's useless. He hasn't done a single good – or by that matter interesting – thing by himself except bossing around and giving unappliable moral advice. Even when he tried, it turned out to be much ado about nothing (see Wendy in last week's episode). He really needs to develop into something, otherwise he'll keep on getting more and more annoying.

      He didn't need anyone to help him talk Jefferson into finding Grace.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Let us assume it will be the Blue Fairy, who dies. She is the head fairy, and said to be the most powerful. Killing someone of that level, would have severe magical consequences. 

      That would make sense.

      I'm thinking either Blue or Tink is going to die and I really hope it's not Tink. But like someone said up there, I could really see the writers killing her off right after she gets her wings back :(

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    • And now that Meghan Ory confirmed she'll be making an appearance, I might as well add her to my list.

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    • No, she can't die. I won't accept that they let her make a guest appearance for one episode only to let her die. I could see much potential to be a main again when they go to Oz or something.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      No, she can't die. I won't accept that they let her make a guest appearance for one episode only to let her die. I could see much potential to be a main again when they go to Oz or something.

      Bringing Ruby back, just to kill her, makes perfect sense.

      As for Oz.... do not get your hopes up. The creators have said, more than once, there are no plans on showing Oz, anytime soon. 

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    • It does make sense. But killing her just because the actress is not available anymore? I think most fans would hate that.

      Not that the fans' preferences is any indicator of what they'll actually do.

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    • I don't know. She was a very fan beloved character and it would be a shame if they kill her off (unless it's the same way as they did with Archie). She just has much potential, but it wouldn't have made much sense for her to go to Neverland...I guess.

      And I'm not really hoping for Oz, but just gave it as an example for things that can happen in the second half or beyond to give Ruby more importance.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      No, she can't die. I won't accept that they let her make a guest appearance for one episode only to let her die. I could see much potential to be a main again when they go to Oz or something.
      Bringing Ruby back, just to kill her, makes perfect sense.

      As for Oz.... do not get your hopes up. The creators have said, more than once, there are no plans on showing Oz, anytime soon. 

      It's according to what "anytime soon" means to them. They may mean just the rest of the first half or just most of the second half of this season.

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    • Maybe it already happened, because technically Henry is dead now.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      Maybe it already happened, because technically Henry is dead now.

      "technically" XD

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    • GothicNarcissus wrote:

      Sure, but once Regina started to reedem herself, all she got was a couple of hugs every now and then. A bit too little for someone who's taken care of you all your life.

      Henry's real problem, imo, is that he has never outgrown his mere plot device status. He's there to set the story in motion. Need to bring Emma to Storybrooke? Henry. Need her to start a feud with Regina? Henry. Need her to believe in the curse? Henry. Need the Charmings to save Regina at cost of sending Emma and Mary Margaret to the Enchanted Forest? Henry. Need Regina to start rediming herself? Henry. Need to give Rumple a new storyline after he finds his son? Henry. Need Cora to turn Regina back to evil? Henry. Need to take everybody to Neverland? Henry.

      Okay, he's serving his purpose, but as a character he's useless. He hasn't done a single good – or by that matter interesting – thing by himself except bossing around and giving unappliable moral advice. Even when he tried, it turned out to be much ado about nothing (see Wendy in last week's episode). He really needs to develop into something, otherwise he'll keep on getting more and more annoying.

      (the following is a crackpot theory said in the tone of a squeeling annoying tone) OMG what if Henry is actually the big bad? He is the one that set everything in motion with Emma? How else did Malcom Pan get a drawing of Henry, with that much detail mind you. Also did anyone else notice that his heart looked black when he pulled it out from his own chest? Yes there was a glowing gold light around it but it looked just as black as Regina's. And also when Emma was giving birth to him the lights went crazy as if a rather powerful surge happened, yet nobody in the room seemed to care. I honestly don't know where I am going with this but it would be a shocking and bizzare twist that Henry was the mastermind behind all of this so he could be the hero. (super crackpot theroy ended sorry guys that youy had to deal with that.)

      Okay now that all of that BS is out of the way I do have a few things to say reguarding Henry. He is just a quest giver in an MMO, nothing more and sadly that's all he will ever be.

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    • Henry was the mastermind behind all of this so he could be the hero

      Only if his future villain self went back in past to set everything in motion, but I highly doubt it. I read a theory where all of this is actually happening in Henry's head so that's why everone from Rumple, through Evil Queen, Snow White, and others to Peter Pan is related to him. Or, my take on that theory is that all of this is happening in Emma's head while she's sleeping in the prison after her car crash in the Pilot. But this theory would work only if this was a movie.

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    • Too bad that people already get that syndrome to think everything is just a dream. It's the same with Adventure Time, some people thing it's just all in his head. I hate when good shows get the Dream Syndrome.

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    • ^ I have thought the same thing, though the final episode she wakes up with a melted birthday candle and a stale cake. I agree with your statement thought at the same time it would piss me off greatly cause then watching the show and going on the emotional rollercoster would have been a waste of time.

      Though on another note I think they are going to kill off Regina...Lana and a few others have posted images of graves. Lana's being the "grave shift" picture and one of the writers posting the Mills Mausoleum. Though it could be a ruse.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      It's the same with Adventure Time, some people thing it's just all in his head. 

      I've never heard this theory ever. XD

      Besides, Pendelton Ward has explained the concept himself several times XD

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    • Oh god please no Dream Syndrome that's so cliché, overdone, and it wouldn't fit >.> No just go away :L

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    • QuiBears wrote:

      Though on another note I think they are going to kill off Regina...Lana and a few others have posted images of graves. Lana's being the "grave shift" picture and one of the writers posting the Mills Mausoleum. Though it could be a ruse.

      We already know the answer to that riddle, though. XD

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    • Utter solitude wrote:
      QuiBears wrote:

      Though on another note I think they are going to kill off Regina...Lana and a few others have posted images of graves. Lana's being the "grave shift" picture and one of the writers posting the Mills Mausoleum. Though it could be a ruse.

      We already know the answer to that riddle, though. XD

      ?

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
      Utter solitude wrote:
      QuiBears wrote:

      Though on another note I think they are going to kill off Regina...Lana and a few others have posted images of graves. Lana's being the "grave shift" picture and one of the writers posting the Mills Mausoleum. Though it could be a ruse.

      We already know the answer to that riddle, though. XD
      ?


      We do?

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      Too bad that people already get that syndrome to think everything is just a dream. It's the same with Adventure Time, some people thing it's just all in his head. I hate when good shows get the Dream Syndrome.

      I don't think this is the case with OUaT, writers are smart enough to come up with something more original than that. But I would love to see one episode where Emma wakes up to find herself in the prison scene from the Pilot. Her and the viewers are led to believe that all of this was just a dream and that Storybrooke residents were not fairytale characters but near the end of the episode we find out that she is actually trapped in some kind of dream state created by some dark force. And in the end, let's say, Regina saves the day and wakes her up by destroying whoever is playing with her.

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    • QuiBears wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote: ?

      We do?

      o.O Did you miss the new episode? :D

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    • Unforunately I think they are killing off Peter Pan. And that blows cause Peter is my favorite magical being, maybe even my favorite, the only one who comes nearly close is Captain Hook. The reason I say peter is cause Ive seen some set photos of rumple stabbing peter and he shifts back into rumples father malcolm plus malcom is set for this episode and no others unless they change their mind. Im going to be devastated as peter pan was the main reason I watched season 3 and now they feel like taking his life, it appears that way. And if they do, they better find a peter pan replacement, someone extremely powerful with a look and a personality i like, obviously a fairy tale being who hasnt been used yet. Who knows, perhaps peter pans spirit will possess henry?

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    • Utter solitude wrote:
      QuiBears wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote: ?

      We do?
      o.O Did you miss the new episode? :D

      No...wtf was in the new episode about Regina dying? O.o

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    • Arctucrus wrote:

      No...wtf was in the new episode about Regina dying? O.o

      I didn't say a damn thing about Regina, dearie ;)

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    • I wonder how Dr. Whale will be involved in the next episode. Will he do something with Henry's heart. We've seen in the trailer that they want to put Henry's heart back in, but will that work? (He'll probably just appear in the hospital because Henry is still in bad state though)

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    • Utter solitude wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:

      No...wtf was in the new episode about Regina dying? O.o

      I didn't say a damn thing about Regina, dearie ;)


      Henry is technically dead....again.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      I wonder how Dr. Whale will be involved in the next episode. Will he do something with Henry's heart. We've seen in the trailer that they want to put Henry's heart back in, but will that work? (He'll probably just appear in the hospital because Henry is still in bad state though)

      BELIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVEEEEEEEEEE that if he shares scenes with Henry, they'll just be backstory, w/ Henry's adoption.

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    • QuiBears wrote:
      Utter solitude wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:

      No...wtf was in the new episode about Regina dying? O.o

      I didn't say a damn thing about Regina, dearie ;)

      Henry is technically dead....again.

      Yes yes of course..just...nvm

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    • It doesn't have to be REGINA for them to be at a church or the Mills mausoleum. ;)

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    • ^ Only one person I can see a living Regina put someone in there and it's Henry. Though if Regina were to die then they would palce her in her family's mausoleum out of respect.

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    • Utter solitude wrote:
      It doesn't have to be REGINA for them to be at a church or the Mills mausoleum. ;)

      Coulda spelled that out the first time :P

      Nah but was Henry on the list? O.O

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    • Yup he was on the top

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
      Utter solitude wrote:
      It doesn't have to be REGINA for them to be at a church or the Mills mausoleum. ;)
      Coulda spelled that out the first time :P

      I needed to?

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    • Utter solitude wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:
      Utter solitude wrote:
      It doesn't have to be REGINA for them to be at a church or the Mills mausoleum. ;)
      Coulda spelled that out the first time :P
      I needed to?

      Considering there was no mention of Henry in the paragraph you quoted, plus the spoiler pictures posted around here somewhere of Henry leaning over Regina's body in Storybrooke, implying that Regina at least gets seriously hurt, and the discussions that were had over that somewhere on here, yes :3 My mind went to that, which was the more obvious conclusion in my eyes, seeing as, again, the paragraph you quoted was all about Regina.

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    • Then I guess we disagree XD

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
      Utter solitude wrote:
      Arctucrus wrote:
      Utter solitude wrote:
      It doesn't have to be REGINA for them to be at a church or the Mills mausoleum. ;)
      Coulda spelled that out the first time :P
      I needed to?
      Considering there was no mention of Henry in the paragraph you quoted, plus the spoiler pictures posted around here somewhere of Henry leaning over Regina's body in Storybrooke, implying that Regina at least gets seriously hurt, and the discussions that were had over that somewhere on here, yes :3 My mind went to that, which was the more obvious conclusion in my eyes, seeing as, again, the paragraph you quoted was all about Regina.

      I'm glad I'm not that only that thought she was talking about Regina.

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    • Well we saw Henry die... Thankfully, but unfortunately, it appears as if, he will be coming back to life, based on behind the scenes photos

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    • Not my fault you all forgot that Henry's last name is Mills XD

      My bad :D

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    • Utter solitude wrote:
      Not my fault you all forgot that Henry's last name is Mills XD

      My bad :D

      We're all wrong abour your clarity when we all didn't have an idea what you were talking about? I've noticed this before, I get the feeling you have a hard time admitting when you're wrong.

      Food for thought! No hard feelings.

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    • Sarcasm, dearie. I was being sarcastic.

      I think we all forget we're online, and not everyone sees everything our own way.

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    • I saw it Utter's way, as well. Guess she forgot she can't make jokes. And it seems to me that, as usual, everyone loves to jump on her over her kidding around.

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    • JesseJane wrote:
      I saw it Utter's way, as well. Guess she forgot she can't make jokes. And it seems to me that, as usual, everyone loves to jump on her over her kidding around.

      Not the case. But I do think we all have times where we assume others see things our way, and we're wrong. Happens to all of us.

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    • Okay well bases on the list here http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/11/once-upon-time-season-3-death-spoiler.html I would assume it will not be Regina, however, due to released photos here http://wonderwall.msn.com/tv/ginnifer-goodwin-debuts-baby-bump-in-costume-on-once-upon-a-time-set-27354.gallery?photoId=126601 And here http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/11/22/once-upon-a-time-christopher-gorham/ And here https://twitter.com/VancityFilming/status/402516215236947968 That snow, charming, Neal, hook, Emma, and Henry, are safe. Now this still leaves Ruby, granny, blue, tink, Archie and geppeto. It concerns me however, even though they are not on the list that it may be Regina or rumple who die. Because neither of them has been seen in photos or have confirmed something in a press release or on twitter. I'm hoping that it sticks to the list, and it is Ruby, granny, Archie or gippeto

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    • I would love it if it was Ruby. Please don't get this wrong, I love Ruby... And that's why I think she should get a dramatic death, a good end to her character. I'm not saying the writers did anything wrong, but I don't feel like her character is getting all the attention it diserves, and of course the show's current plotline has no extra attention for her. So, a good teardropper death would be just all she needs. We learn what's happened to her, she get's a well diserved mention, the writers get free from the preassure of knowing they have created a character they are not able to go on with. :)

      On the other hand... One of those pictures is really confusing me :S Why is Neal (dressed that way btw, which I actually find cool) with flashback Snow White and Charming?

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    • Killian Jones wrote:

      On the other hand... One of those pictures is really confusing me :S Why is Neal (dressed that way btw, which I actually find cool) with flashback Snow White and Charming?

      It is probably not a flashback.... Hook, Belle, and Aurora are also there.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Killian Jones wrote:

      On the other hand... One of those pictures is really confusing me :S Why is Neal (dressed that way btw, which I actually find cool) with flashback Snow White and Charming?

      It is probably not a flashback.... Hook, Belle, and Aurora are also there.

      I know, I meant that Snow and Charmsing are the ones we have seen in flashback, with the long hair and all that.

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    • Killian Jones wrote:

      I know, I meant that Snow and Charmsing are the ones we have seen in flashback, with the long hair and all that.

      I believe it's some kind of alternate reality, or maybe it is a consequence of the new curse we were told it's coming. I just really, really, but really hope it's not what happened in the last season of Lost, those flash sideways or whatever.

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    • Killian Jones wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Killian Jones wrote:

      On the other hand... One of those pictures is really confusing me :S Why is Neal (dressed that way btw, which I actually find cool) with flashback Snow White and Charming?

      It is probably not a flashback.... Hook, Belle, and Aurora are also there.

      I know, I meant that Snow and Charmsing are the ones we have seen in flashback, with the long hair and all that.

      Are they going to be an episode that they are going back home..

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    • i seriously scared its going to be peter pan. There is a pic of rumple stabbing him and him reverting to his true form of malcolm. What would be awesome is if they like seperated his child consciousness from his adult one so we would still have robbie kay on the show. Idk, I just plead to the writers he dont die, or at least kill the evil part of him and leave his shell behind.

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    • Killian Jones wrote:

      On the other hand... One of those pictures is really confusing me :S Why is Neal (dressed that way btw, which I actually find cool) with flashback Snow White and Charming?

      What the f???? Omg, this is wrinkling my brain! What the what? What episode is this supposed to be from? Snow with long hair, and Neal and what???

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    • AppleTree23 wrote:
      What the f???? Omg, this is wrinkling my brain! What the what? What episode is this supposed to be from? Snow with long hair, and Neal and what???

      Yep, that was my exact reaction XD

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    • What site is that from?

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    • It's either Ruby or Tink.

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    • Ya, I hope so. However, as far as I'm concerned, it can be anyone before Regina.

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    • Henry is the one who died

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    • As long as it isn't Rumple, Regina or Emma. I'm ok with it.

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    • What if everybody dies, except for Emma, Henry and Rumple who are missing from EF pics?

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    • I swear, if they pull some Lost bullshit on us...

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    • AppleTree23 wrote:
      I swear, if they pull some Lost bullshit on us...

      I hope they won't. I mean I know they are proud on their work on Lost but, please, this is not Lost spin-off series.

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    • Prince of Rascia wrote:

      I hope they won't. I mean I know they are proud on their work on Lost but, please, this is not Lost spin-off series.

      If they pull that stunt, it will be the literal death of the show. OUaT cannot, and should not, be Lost-2.0.

      Neal died from his gunshot wound, Aurora and Mulan died trying to save Prince Phillip, Robin Hood and his Merry Men died when the Dark Curse was enacted, and someone kills everyone in Storybrooke.... how original, OUaT writers. *rolls eyes*

      However, @Killian Jones is probably correct.... if Ruby is going to return, she is the character who is going to die.

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    • an interesting idea for me, is if the shadow ends up wanting henrys heart for himself, and this is plausible as s spoiler came out about a month ago saying the shadow would do something horrifying that would effect both heroes and villians. And the shadow comes off as the embodiment of total evil, so it make sense. So I would like if the shadow was ripping out henrys heart and peter pan saw henry crying in pain and in an instant of seeing his son rumple through henry, he has a darth vader moment and ends up killing the shadow. He then ends up going to rumple and tells him he is a threat to henry as long as he lives and considers himself a coward to to kill himself so he wishes for rumple to do it, thus the pic I talked about.

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    • I don't like Snow, Emma Swan and Henry.Unfortunately they are central characters and they won't die. Peter Pan is expendable because they have made him unredeemable dark character so he will die.

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    • TVDaddictneedstogetlife wrote:
      I don't like Snow, Emma Swan and Henry.Unfortunately they are central characters and they won't die. Peter Pan is expendable because they have made him unredeemable dark character so he will die.

      If you don't like the main characters, why do you watch the show? XD No, I'm seriously curious.

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    • Yeah, I wonder that too. The only one that irritates me is Snow. I do like her character, but she is very annoying. But how can't you like Emma and Henry!?

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    • Utter solitude wrote:
      TVDaddictneedstogetlife wrote:
      I don't like Snow, Emma Swan and Henry.Unfortunately they are central characters and they won't die. Peter Pan is expendable because they have made him unredeemable dark character so he will die.
      If you don't like the main characters, why do you watch the show? XD No, I'm seriously curious.

      Depends what people watch the show for. I don't particularly enjoy most of the main characters, but I LOVE things with intricate plots and twists and multiple things going on at once and serious character development (characters and character development are vastly different things), and this show has that.

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    • I do think that in any show there at least one character that a person least favorite. For example my least favorite character is Regina, since there are many time in the show where she does frustrate and annoys me to no end. Regardless of this I still like Regina as a character, and I would upset if she were to be killed off. Since I know she is such an important aspect that without her the show will no longer be the same.

      While Utter does bring up a good point in question why do watch the show when you don't like 3 of main characters. I think another question to ask is why do you want those character to die.

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    • Utter solitude wrote:
      TVDaddictneedstogetlife wrote:
      I don't like Snow, Emma Swan and Henry.Unfortunately they are central characters and they won't die. Peter Pan is expendable because they have made him unredeemable dark character so he will die.
      If you don't like the main characters, why do you watch the show? XD No, I'm seriously curious.

      I don't like Snow and Emma is starting to bug me again, but I like Regina , Rumple and most of the minor characters, so there's no reason for me to stop watching it. Snow or Emma isn't the only characters people can watch the show for.

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
      Utter solitude wrote:
      TVDaddictneedstogetlife wrote:
      I don't like Snow, Emma Swan and Henry.Unfortunately they are central characters and they won't die. Peter Pan is expendable because they have made him unredeemable dark character so he will die.
      If you don't like the main characters, why do you watch the show? XD No, I'm seriously curious.
      Depends what people watch the show for. I don't particularly enjoy most of the main characters, but I LOVE things with intricate plots and twists and multiple things going on at once and serious character development (characters and character development are vastly different things), and this show has that.

      Actually, this is what I meant as Arctcurus. I don't enjoy main characters especially Emma Swan because her character development is not believable to me. They are trying to show she doesn't believe how special she is and I don't see that charisma either, however, she is capable of magic too. Well whatever, but Emma as saviour, I get it but magiic, NO! She doesn't even believe but she have it in her. What next, writers will show her saving Regina and Rumple one day using magic? The way writers give importance to a character by making them special unnecessarily looks forced on audience. I watch show for many reasons; magic, plots, twists and the guest actors playing short-lived roles have proven to be more charismatic than who are playing central characters. eg. Peter Pan, Cora. I love Rumplestilskin but if he gets redeemed then I will not particularly enjoy that too.

      About Henry, nothing against the actor but the boy who played young Baelfire wouldve been lot better on his place (or anyone of that calibre of acting).

      What one likes in the show or in this world is a subjective opinion. The new plot twist got me all hooked up once again but again it has something to do with Peter Pan and Rumple, Not exactly Henry or Emma or Snow !

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    • I'm not saying anyone needs to like the main characters, I'm just always curious why people watch the show.

      I, for one, don't like MM or Snow too much either :D

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    • i think peter pan will be redeemed asking rumple to kill him. I really dont think he will end up being the total embodiment of evil. Also im using a few spoilers to back up this theory. Honestly why would I want him to die as an arrogant spoiled kid? He should grow up and realize he cant kill little kids to gain his treasures.

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    • AppleTree23 wrote:

      What the f???? Omg, this is wrinkling my brain! What the what? What episode is this supposed to be from? Snow with long hair, and Neal and what???

      The long hair is what is "wrinkling my brain" in particular.

      I'm thinking they'll all go back to the Enchanted Forest because of the bad bad thing spoilers indicate Shadow will do (which to me, sounds like the new curse spoilers are also talking about).

      But why is her hair long again? I don't know if I'd like to see a time jump, but that does sound more reasonable than just assuming her hair grows back instantly as soon as she sets foot in FTL :S

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    • Rafadeq wrote:

      But why is her hair long again? I don't know if I'd like to see a time jump, but that does sound more reasonable than just assuming her hair grows back instantly as soon as she sets foot in FTL :S

      In Welcome to Storybrooke, we saw that the Dark Curse was what gave Mary Margaret her pixie cut. So.... this probably the same thing, in reverse.

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    • Well, Mary Margaret has been back to the EF in season 2 and her hair did not grow back. It does make sense that the long hair might be the result of this new curse, though.

      Which is a bit weird to me, because if I were to cast a curse, making people's hair short or long would definitely not be in my list of priorities.

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    • There is a new curse?

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    • What is it?

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    • Rumple's father a.k.a Peter Pan will die. It is big since this season half was Peter Pan's season.

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    • Gentlespirit18 wrote:
      What is it?

      We don't exactly know yet.

      But I think it will be sending all (if not, most) fairy tale characters back to the EF.

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    • Rafadeq wrote:
      Well, Mary Margaret has been back to the EF in season 2 and her hair did not grow back. It does make sense that the long hair might be the result of this new curse, though.

      Which is a bit weird to me, because if I were to cast a curse, making people's hair short or long would definitely not be in my list of priorities.

      Unless this new curse restores everyone to the EF... including their looks and wardrobes.

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    • But then it's also fair to refer everyone to their EF counterparts. I think Archie will miss his human body though (I like him as a cricket but I feel sorry that Raphael then only voices).

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      But then it's also fair to refer everyone to their EF counterparts. I think Archie will miss his human body though (I like him as a cricket but I feel sorry that Raphael then only voices).

      Oooh, you bring up a good point! We'll have to decide which pages those events go on...

      Personally, if it's a Curse-Reset, I'm leaning toward the EF identities... and I'm sure the scripts would name them that way as well...

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    • Utter solitude wrote:
      DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      But then it's also fair to refer everyone to their EF counterparts. I think Archie will miss his human body though (I like him as a cricket but I feel sorry that Raphael then only voices).
      Oooh, you bring up a good point! We'll have to decide which pages those events go on...

      Personally, if it's a Curse-Reset, I'm leaning toward the EF identities... and I'm sure the scripts would name them that way as well...

      Yeah, I think it's best to continue furhter on their EF profiles.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:

      Yeah, I think it's best to continue furhter on their EF profiles.

      If this is the case, once the episode airs, we'll have a proper community discussion on it :D

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      Unless this new curse restores everyone to the EF... including their looks and wardrobes.

      Makes sense, but if that were the case, shouldn't Neal return to the 14-year-old boy he was?

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    • another idea is that peter pan is reborn through rumples doll, but as a nice, kind peter pan who can create a new relationship with wendy, tinkerbell and felix. IMO, robbie kay shouldnt leave OUAT, even if his original character dies

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    • Rafadeq wrote:

      Makes sense, but if that were the case, shouldn't Neal return to the 14-year-old boy he was?

      No... Baelfire was not taken with the Curse ;)

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      No... Baelfire was not taken with the Curse ;)

      So this new curse would take everyone back, including the ones who weren't cursed, but only "restore" the looks/wardrobes of the ones who were cursed?

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    • Rafadeq wrote:

      So this new curse would take everyone back, including the ones who weren't cursed, but only "restore" the looks/wardrobes of the ones who were cursed?

      I guess the new curse will take back to EF all those who were born there and have memories of their lives in EF  (that's why Emma will stay in the Land Without Magic even though she originates from EF). They will get clothes characteristic to EF, like they got LWM clothes in Storybrooke.

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    • Rafadeq wrote:

      So this new curse would take everyone back, including the ones who weren't cursed, but only "restore" the looks/wardrobes of the ones who were cursed?

      I'm saying, it wouldn't make sense to turn a grown man into a child... XD 

      More like a "Curse Return" than a full "Curse-Reset", I guess.

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    • Prince of Rascia wrote:

      Rafadeq wrote:


      So this new curse would take everyone back, including the ones who weren't cursed, but only "restore" the looks/wardrobes of the ones who were cursed?



      I guess the new curse will take back to EF all those who were born there and have memories of their lives in EF  (that's why Emma will stay in the Land Without Magic even though she originates from EF). They will get clothes characteristic to EF, like they got LWM clothes in Storybrooke.



      If the curse takes back only the people that was born in the Enchanted Forest, what happens to Ashley's daughter? would she have to stay behind in Storybrooke?

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    • Ruby ridinghood wrote: If the curse takes back only the people that was born in the Enchanted Forest, what happens to Ashley's daughter? would she have to stay behind in Storybrooke?

      I would imagine not. That baby was brought with the Curse. It seems such a thing would pull everyone brought with the Curse.

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    • Maybe this is how they are also going to explain Jen and Jacks pregnancy. Everyone was brought back to EF in the same state they were in, or close to, right before the first curse. Then Snow will once again go into labor with another version of Emma. ONCE Inception.

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    • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+ wrote:
      another idea is that peter pan is reborn through rumples doll, but as a nice, kind peter pan who can create a new relationship with wendy, tinkerbell and felix. IMO, robbie kay shouldnt leave OUAT, even if his original character dies


      Thats very Sweet Tommy, I agree with you but watching Robbie I am sure he will make good name in acting career if he is not coming back after 3x11. Ideally, peter pan shouldn't die if his legend still lives on, means if he didn't die in books or other fairy tales but thats just my opinion. OUAT writers can do whatever pleases them. I love Rumple and Pans interaction and I wished their layered, twisted relationship could be explored more.but anyways! Its all about Henry and Emma

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    • Christiannemarie wrote:
      Everyone was brought back to EF in the same state they were in, or close to, right before the first curse. Then Snow will once again go into labor with another version of Emma. ONCE Inception.

      Please, no alternated baby Emma. Though, you could be partially correct.... this is Snow White's post-baby belly.

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    • im actually not trying not to take that pic of rumple stabbing pan so literally. Im thinking u perhaps he will still be on this show one form or another. However he wont be the new villian in 2014, cause rebecca mader has taken that spot.  Also ive asked many questions regarding robbiey kays status on OUAT to spoiler sites and none have answered me back, making me think they are keeping it a secret despite those pics being released. Also what are wendy, john, michael, felix, the lost boys and tinkerbell without peter pan?

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    • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+ wrote:
      im actually not trying not to take that pic of rumple stabbing pan so literally. Im thinking u perhaps he will still be on this show one form or another. However he wont be the new villian in 2014, cause rebecca mader has taken that spot.  Also ive asked many questions regarding robbiey kays status on OUAT to spoiler sites and none have answered me back, making me think they are keeping it a secret despite those pics being released. Also what are wendy, john, michael, felix, the lost boys and tinkerbell without peter pan?

      Micheal Wendy and other lost boys are promised home and shelter in Storybrook but it would be intersting to know what will happen to Felix? Again I think Peter Pan's story should've ended in Neverland and not Storybrook even if he had to be killed off. As soon as Regina picked up Rumple in Pandora box, the tree should've attacked Pan and then thats it.

      It seems they will bring the original actor who was playing Rumple's father to kill Peter Pan. However, peter pan should've been young boy throughout because that what Peter Pan is all about, even though they have story as middle aged man who turned young.Thanksfully they changed Pinocchio into young boy again as it should be once he died.

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    • i still think peter pans soul could be transferred to the peter pan doll however without the selfish consciousness of malcolm. Again this is OUAT, so I aint giving up yet.

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    • Tommy,Klaus&Kol2012+ wrote:
      i still think peter pans soul could be transferred to the peter pan doll however without the selfish consciousness of malcolm. Again this is OUAT, so I aint giving up yet.

      Without Malcolm? Does that make Pan any better? XD Both are horrible people... :D

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    • he would be reborn through the doll without malcolms consciousness. Again this is OUAT, so I aint ruling anything out. But if he is one of the characters to die, then what a true waste of character. He was hyped up as the most scariest and powerful being to exist only for him to last week gotten his butt kicked by regina and rumple. If he s one of them to die then he better end up redeeming himself in the end and grow up symbolically. I refuse to believe a man who was a coward and sold his son for youth is the devil figure of OUAT. And im still not 100% on him the one end up dying despite that pic cause his name wasnt on the list of people to die in the death spoiler poll. I mean they put archie, blue fairy and gepetto above his name. Personally i think its charming or neal, but it could be a minor like one of them I mentioned. Apparently the shadow is supposed to do something evil, we still have yet to see what it is, so perhaps it rips  the shadow out of one of the characters.

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    • I agree with you Tommy . Also, I believe Neal should die.I liked young Baelfire.The adult Nealfire is not living up to the bar that was set by young actor who played him as kid.

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    • TVDaddictneedstogetlife wrote:
      Yeah Neal should die.I liked young Baelfire.The adult Nealfire is not living up to the bar that was set by young actor who played him as kid.

      I strongly disagree. I love Neal, and I'm fascinated by all his unique quirks, quick wits, and cleverness. 

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    • Arctucrus wrote:

      I strongly disagree. I love Neal, and I'm fascinated by all his unique quirks, quick wits, and cleverness. 

      Seconded.

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    • If Neal dies it will change the dyanamics much more than anyother character's death. His-Killian-Emma triangle is the creepiest thing on OUAT. Hook and Baelfire's relationship was more like father and son and as Neal grew up he and hook are fighting for the attention of same girl? Also, if that happens I want Emma to choose Neal for afformentioned reason but then that means most of the shipping population will be devasted because they want want Hook with Emma.This wouldn't have been the case if they had chosen Neal to be played by someone easy on eyes or with oozing charisma, which even I fail to see.

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    • TVDaddictneedstogetlife wrote:
      Also, if that happens I want Emma to choose Neal for afformentioned reason but then that means most of the shipping population will be devasted because they want want Hook with Emma.

      Shipping population shoud understand that this show is not about whom Emma is going to end up with. I am afraid they're watching the wrong show. Writers are not supposed to comply to their "demands". 

      I didn't like Neal at the begining but now he's one of my favorite characters. Please, if people want to watch characters that are easy on eyes, there are plenty of CW shows for them to enjoy.

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    • Prince of Rascia wrote:
      TVDaddictneedstogetlife wrote:
      Also, if that happens I want Emma to choose Neal for afformentioned reason but then that means most of the shipping population will be devasted because they want want Hook with Emma.
      Shipping population shoud understand that this show is not about whom Emma is going to end up with. I am afraid they're watching the wrong show. Writers are not supposed to comply to their "demands". 

      I didn't like Neal at the begining but now he's one of my favorite characters. Please, if people want to watch characters that are easy on eyes, there are plenty of CW shows for them to enjoy.

      People also ship Belle and Rumple and writers are feeding shippers too much ! Adult Baelfire hasn't caught my attention yet and I still think young Baelfire was much charismatic. Although Rumlestilskin may not be easy on eyes he is one of the attractive characters and his interactions with his father gave me more feels than any of his interactions with Baelfire or even Belle.

      I am finding shows on NBC and ABC more interesting than the ones on CW.

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    • Writers are feeding shippers? How so?

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    • TVDaddictneedstogetlife wrote:

      People also ship Belle and Rumple and writers are feeding shippers too much ! Adult Baelfire hasn't caught my attention yet and I still think young Baelfire was much charismatic. Although Rumlestilskin may not be easy on eyes he is one of the attractive characters and his interactions with his father gave me more feels than any of his interactions with Baelfire or even Belle.

      I am finding shows on NBC and ABC more interesting than the ones on CW.

      Belle and Rumple are each other's true love, we learned that in the very first episode Belle showed in. Their relationship is invention of the writers unlike potential Swan Queen, Captain Swan and even Swan Thief relationships.

      I was referring to CW because its shows are known for hiring beautiful, supermodel like actors. Just look at TVD and Arrow.

      Utter solitude wrote:

      Writers are feeding shippers? How so?

      Um, if Hook/Emma kiss and Mulan (almost) confessing her love for Aurora is not feeding I don't know what is.

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    • Why does it have to be "feeding"? It can't legitimately be how the writers are writing the story? :)

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    • ARROW IS A GOOD SHOW THOUGH ._. Just saying ._.

      And no I agree with the feeding shippers part, with both the examples given. It was frustrating to see, both times :/

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    • Arctucrus wrote:

      And no I agree with the feeding shippers part, with both the examples given. It was frustrating to see, both times :/

      I quite disagree. This isn't just a story being told, it's a TV show. And what better way to hook audiences and keep em guessing (and yes, it's fairly cliche) than love triangles? :D I don't see it as fan candy that Hook and Emma kissed... just a way to prolong the love triangle. They did the same with the David/MM/Kathryn triangle in season one, although, admittedly, that one was a lot less polarizing.

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    • Utter solitude wrote:Why does it have to be "feeding"? It can't legitimately be how the writers are writing the story? :)

      It doesn't, it's my interpretation which may and may not be true, but I know many people that share my opinion on the matter.

      Arctucrus wrote:

      ARROW IS A GOOD SHOW THOUGH ._. Just saying ._.

      It is, at times even better than OUaT. It's similar to OUaT in some way (it's full of smart and interesting twists, has strong shipping population, its characters are not original to the show but they are actually characters from DC comics, like OUaT characters that originates from classic literature, both shows have their own versions of those characters and their stories). But it would still be good show without those good loking actors.

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      Arctucrus wrote:

      And no I agree with the feeding shippers part, with both the examples given. It was frustrating to see, both times :/

      I quite disagree. This isn't just a story being told, it's a TV show. And what better way to hook audiences and keep em guessing (and yes, it's fairly cliche) than love triangles? :D I don't see it as fan candy that Hook and Emma kissed... just a way to prolong the love triangle. They did the same with the David/MM/Kathryn triangle in season one, although, admittedly, that one was a lot less polarizing.

      For me, the difference is that the Kathryn/David/Mary Margaret triangle was believable. 

      I don't see Emma having any feelings for Hook. I just don't believe it. Nor do I buy that Mulan has a thang for Aurora considering they played up her having a thing for Phillip in Season 2. I would have believed it if it had been in Season 2, but it wasn't. :/

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    • Prince of Rascia wrote:

      Utter solitude wrote:Why does it have to be "feeding"? It can't legitimately be how the writers are writing the story? :)

      It doesn't, it's my interpretation which may and may not be true, but I know many people that share my opinion on the matter.

      Indeed. However, I do see a tendency online to blame a storyline/pairing/anything one does not like on "fan catering" or "bad writing" XD (Not saying you are, but it does happen).

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      Indeed. However, I do see a tendency online to blame a storyline/pairing/anything one does not like on "fan catering" or "bad writing" XD (Not saying you are, but it does happen).

      Yes you're right, it happens quite often. Writers can't make everyone happy so that's why I am so against them giving in to shippers. But some things really are the product of bad writing like awful Greg/Tamara storyline. I wish it had never happened.

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    • Prince of Rascia wrote: But some things really are the product of bad writing like awful Greg/Tamara storyline. I wish it had never happened.

      You're not the first person I've seen saying this! But Tamara and Greg served to get the gang to Neverland, so it can't be all bad...

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    • Greg and Tamara were amazing, without them this whole adventure never would have happened.

      And for the shipping. I don't think they are feeding the fans, it's just how the story goes. If people they are feeding shippers then I can only draw that out of Snow and Charming who are constantly on each other. And I didn't get out of season 2 that she was in love with Phillip but rather Aurora, the latest episode of her just confirmed that for me. She might be bi though

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      You're not the first person I've seen saying this! But Tamara and Greg served to get the gang to Neverland, so it can't be all bad...

      Yes I understand that, I like the idea behind that storyline but I didn't like the way it was executed. I had a feeling it was rushed and forced and kinda sketchy, at moments ridiculous...cough teaser cough.

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    • Prince of Rascia wrote: Yes I understand that, I like the idea behind that storyline but I didn't like the way it was executed. I had a feeling it was rushed and forced and kinda sketchy, at moments ridiculous...cough teaser cough.

      That tazer was a fiasco!! At least the writers owned up to it.

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    • Prince of Rascia wrote:

      Utter solitude wrote:

      You're not the first person I've seen saying this! But Tamara and Greg served to get the gang to Neverland, so it can't be all bad...

      Yes I understand that, I like the idea behind that storyline but I didn't like the way it was executed. I had a feeling it was rushed and forced and kinda sketchy, at moments ridiculous...cough teaser cough.

      Aside from the tazer I didn't feel it was rushed. When Greg, and also Tamara, were introduced it wasn't very clear that they had bad intentions. It worked its way up to the point where they kidnapped Henry. And although they seemed to be the main villains of the arc they were killed by a force much greater, showing that they really are just weak pawns from Pan.

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    • I don't really like the Hook-Emma-Neal love triangle. I felt chemistry between Hook and Emma in season two but I don't feel any in this current season. The kiss felt forced to me. I really don't ship Emma with anyone. I think she's a strong, independent woman who, in a show full of romance, doesn't need romance. Neal should be a father to Henry, but that doesn't mean he and Emma should be romantically involved. And, I feel that Hook is not the settling down type. At all. I expect him to leave Storybrooke to explore our world, and I doubt Emma would follow. 

      I hope Emma doesn't end up with anyone for a long time.

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      Prince of Rascia wrote: Yes I understand that, I like the idea behind that storyline but I didn't like the way it was executed. I had a feeling it was rushed and forced and kinda sketchy, at moments ridiculous...cough teaser cough.

      That tazer was a fiasco!! At least the writers owned up to it.

      I still have trouble understanding what the taser was exactly. XD Some magic weapon that the Home Office/Pan gave Tamara ?

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    • Applegirl wrote:
      Utter solitude wrote:

      Prince of Rascia wrote: Yes I understand that, I like the idea behind that storyline but I didn't like the way it was executed. I had a feeling it was rushed and forced and kinda sketchy, at moments ridiculous...cough teaser cough.

      That tazer was a fiasco!! At least the writers owned up to it.
      I still have trouble understaind what the taser was exactly. XD Some magic weapon that the Home Office/Pan gave Tamara ?

      To my according it was just a regular tazer that Tamara bought or something. And because it was just a tazer it shouldn't be able to kill August who is made out of wood, which happened. That was just a flaw, but I didn't really care.

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    • Applegirl wrote: I still have trouble understaind what the taser was exactly. XD Some magic weapon that the Home Office/Pan gave Tamara ?

      That's a good way to explain it now, but at the time it was written, it was just a tazer. The creators didn't know that electricity doesn't conduct through wood.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      Applegirl wrote:
      Utter solitude wrote:

      Prince of Rascia wrote: Yes I understand that, I like the idea behind that storyline but I didn't like the way it was executed. I had a feeling it was rushed and forced and kinda sketchy, at moments ridiculous...cough teaser cough.

      That tazer was a fiasco!! At least the writers owned up to it.
      I still have trouble understaind what the taser was exactly. XD Some magic weapon that the Home Office/Pan gave Tamara ?
      To my according it was just a regular tazer that Tamara bought or something. And because it was just a tazer it shouldn't be able to kill August who is made out of wood, which happened. That was just a flaw, but I didn't really care.

      No no I believe it was supposed to be magical

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    • Arctucrus wrote: No no I believe it was supposed to be magical

      Not quite. The creators themselves acknowledged their lack of knowledge on the subject.

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    • The creators even said they regreted doing the whole taser thing XD I'm not sure if it was Eddy or Adam, but one of them said he would have prefered using a syringe.

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      Applegirl wrote: I still have trouble understaind what the taser was exactly. XD Some magic weapon that the Home Office/Pan gave Tamara ?

      That's a good way to explain it now, but at the time it was written, it was just a tazer. The creators didn't know that electricity doesn't conduct through wood.

      It is primary school science but I guess writers might have paid attention to arts and literature all the way and never bothered about science. XD

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      Arctucrus wrote: No no I believe it was supposed to be magical

      Not quite. The creators themselves acknoweledged their lack of knowledge on the subject.

      Really? I thought I remembered watching a clip or reading an interview or something in which they say something along the lines of, "It's supposed to be magical, yeah, and we thought people would catch on to it..."

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    • It would also have to be quite a powerful tazer to kill even a flesh and blood person.. XD

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    • Arctucrus wrote:

      Really? I thought I remembered watching a clip or reading an interview or something in which they say something along the lines of, "It's supposed to be magical, yeah, and we thought people would catch on to it..."

      I thought that taser was magical, but it was still ridiculous. Hey, after watching 3.01, it must have been filled with corn meal.

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    • Arctucrus wrote: Really? I thought I remembered watching a clip or reading an interview or something in which they say something along the lines of, "It's supposed to be magical, yeah, and we thought people would catch on to it..."

      My bad, you are correct sir! http://tvline.com/2013/04/29/once-upon-a-time-season-2-spoilers-peter-pan-neal-wendy-emma/

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      Arctucrus wrote: Really? I thought I remembered watching a clip or reading an interview or something in which they say something along the lines of, "It's supposed to be magical, yeah, and we thought people would catch on to it..."

      My bad, you are correct sir! http://tvline.com/2013/04/29/once-upon-a-time-season-2-spoilers-peter-pan-neal-wendy-emma/

      Anyone else feel like this might be worth noting in articles? XD

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    • Biggest Season Two Regret

      Eddy and Adam also took a moment to address a major fan complaint this season: The Tasing of Pinocchio. "Here's the thing, we thought, 'We need a real world weapon.'" In the moments in making that decision we never realized the backlash that would be from a taser," Eddy emphatically said. "We just figured the audience assumed it wasn't a taser ... but they didn't. So I got a lot of history lessons about wood and conducting electricity. If I could go back one season and change one thing, I would have made it a syringe. If she had just taken a [glowing] syringe and shoved it into the dragon, no one would give a sh*t. I am sorry we chose a taser. We are willing to take the hit for the taser. We f*cked up." src

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    • Something tells me people would have complained, about a glowing syringe, as well. I.e.... how did that needle pierce through wood?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Something tells me people would have complained, about a glowing syringe, as well. I.e.... how did that needle pierce through wood?

      An ax tho. 

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    • XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Something tells me people would have complained, about a glowing syringe, as well. I.e.... how did that needle pierce through wood?
      An ax tho. 

      Actually I assumed even tho Pino was wooden. He still had to have had a partially human heart.

      And perhaps it didn't burn his "skin" but the taser affected his heart?

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      Utter solitude wrote:

      Arctucrus wrote: Really? I thought I remembered watching a clip or reading an interview or something in which they say something along the lines of, "It's supposed to be magical, yeah, and we thought people would catch on to it..."

      My bad, you are correct sir! http://tvline.com/2013/04/29/once-upon-a-time-season-2-spoilers-peter-pan-neal-wendy-emma/
      Anyone else feel like this might be worth noting in articles? XD

      Yes.

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    • XxBadWolfxX wrote:

      XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Something tells me people would have complained, about a glowing syringe, as well. I.e.... how did that needle pierce through wood?
      An ax tho. 

      Actually I assumed even tho Pino was wooden. He still had to have had a partially human heart.

      And perhaps it didn't burn his "skin" but the taser affected his heart?

      The taser is magical. We don't need to theorize how it killed him, it was mmmmmmmmmmmmagic. :D

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      XxBadWolfxX wrote:

      XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Something tells me people would have complained, about a glowing syringe, as well. I.e.... how did that needle pierce through wood?
      An ax tho. 
      Actually I assumed even tho Pino was wooden. He still had to have had a partially human heart.

      And perhaps it didn't burn his "skin" but the taser affected his heart?

      The taser is magical. We don't need to theorize how it killed him, it was mmmmmmmmmmmmagic. :D

      Ohh Ohh OOOHHH It's magic!!  You know! Never believe it's not so!!! ;D

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    • People who wrote that article should really ponder on what the word "intense" means.

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    • Holy shit

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    • Her death was totally pointless.

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    • Prince of Rascia wrote:
      [SPOILER]

      Are we supposed to be posting spoilers yet? Honest question, I seem to remember coming onto the forums to post something right after an episode and it getting deleted 'cuz I didn't wait at least a few hours

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    • And so not intense.

      Seriously! I was expecting something much more dramatic...

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
      Prince of Rascia wrote:
      [SPOILER]
      Are we supposed to be posting spoilers yet? Honest question, I seem to remember coming onto the forums to post something right after an episode and it getting deleted 'cuz I didn't wait at least a few hours

      Thanks, I forgot about that. I edited it.

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    • Yeah, sorry. Edited mine, too.

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    • Next Sunday is going to so epic that you can't BELIVE your mind and eye..

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    • Prince of Rascia wrote:
      Her death was totally pointless.

      WAT? "Her death?" Omg so the fortold death is in this episode? Omg the hours between now and when I can see "New Neverland" on ABC online is gonna be torture D:

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    • Can I just say it kind of happened... out of the blue?

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    • XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      Prince of Rascia wrote:
      Her death was totally pointless.
      WAT? "Her death?" Omg so the fortold death is in this episode? Omg the hours between now and when I can see "New Neverland" on ABC online is gonna be torture D:

      Well, it doesn't have to be "that death", mid-season finale is yet to be shown.

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    • GothicNarcissus wrote:
      Can I just say it kind of happened... out of the blue?

      Ohhhhhhh wink wiiiink. Still can't wait >.<

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    • XxBadWolfxX wrote: WAT? "Her death?" Omg so the fortold death is in this episode? Omg the hours between now and when I can see "New Neverland" on ABC online is gonna be torture D:

      http://www.magnovideo.com/?v=5OFG3UBI

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    • Arctucrus wrote:
      Prince of Rascia wrote:
      [SPOILER]
      Are we supposed to be posting spoilers yet? Honest question, I seem to remember coming onto the forums to post something right after an episode and it getting deleted 'cuz I didn't wait at least a few hours

      I don't see the problem with posting spoilers in a spoiler thread. 

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    • I hope this person's death is temporary. This person is way to important. Plus I want to see more character development of him / her. Pointless death! WTF!

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    • Arctucrus wrote:

      Prince of Rascia wrote:
      [SPOILER]

      Are we supposed to be posting spoilers yet? Honest question, I seem to remember coming onto the forums to post something right after an episode and it getting deleted 'cuz I didn't wait at least a few hours

      This is the "spoilers" board. It's all fair game.

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    • Major death? Mother Superior/Blue Fairy? Shadow ripped? Dead? I don't think so. There must be some way to restore it. There's gotta be a place where the Shadow store its hunts.

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    • Harbinger3781 wrote:
      Major death? Mother Superior/Blue Fairy? Shadow ripped? Dead? I don't think so. There must be some way to restore it. There's gotta be a place where the Shadow store its hunts.

      AHHH Her shadow gets ripped? *Runs around the room* can't wait!!!

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    • You believe shadows can be restored, like hearts?

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      XxBadWolfxX wrote: WAT? "Her death?" Omg so the fortold death is in this episode? Omg the hours between now and when I can see "New Neverland" on ABC online is gonna be torture D:

      http://www.magnovideo.com/?v=5OFG3UBI

      Whoaa Omg O: So do you also have alink to the Dr. 50th Anniversary special? 

      If so you'll be mah new bestest friend ^.^ 

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    • Harbinger3781 wrote:
      You believe shadows can be restored, like hearts?

      I hope so..coz its the.worst.death.ever.....

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    • NAh XD I didn't even find that, our dear Killian Jones did.

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    • Teehee.heehee.9 wrote:
      Harbinger3781 wrote:
      You believe shadows can be restored, like hearts?
      I hope so..coz its the.worst.death.ever.....

      Hope it's not a certified death... yet.

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    • If Greg is dead, she must also be dead. And if she's not, then Greg isn't either..

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    • Utter solitude wrote:
      If Greg is dead, she must also be dead. And if she's not, then Greg isn't either..

      This is something I'm willing to bet :D 

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    • Yeah, but Greg is in Neverland XD Who cares, he might be able to have his shadow restored... but there's no one to restore it :P

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    • Indeed, but that wasn't my point. XD

      If you consider Greg dead, you must consider _____ dead as well.

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      Yeah, but Greg is in Neverland XD Who cares, he might be able to have his shadow restored... but there's no one to restore it :P

      Unless... they can turn Pan back to the light (doubtful, but have faith), and he night know. The wraith (maybe stolen from Azkaban ;) ) ripped the prey's soul, but later revealed they can be restored, right? And since the shadows can be ripped, they can, I believe, also be re-attached.

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    • Harbinger3781 wrote: The wraith (maybe stolen from Azkaban ;) )

      You do realize that Wraiths are older than Harry Potter, right?

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    • I just hated the way they killed her.

      But maybe now Tink could run for the position of Chief fairy. As soon as she manages to get her wings back, of course.

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      Harbinger3781 wrote: The wraith (maybe stolen from Azkaban ;) )

      You do realize that Wraiths are older than Harry Potter, right?

      Utter Solitude is right. Just an addition, Wraiths are used in many materials(films, fairytales, novels, plays) and some are named under a different vocabulary.

      Going back to the topic of death, I can't believe that they just killed off ________ in a snap without any dramatic progress. _________ has been a part of the plot, been in the business with almost everyone's story in the long run and was even one of the oldest characters to exist. I have this gut feeling that _________ will be back.

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    • I know, such an influential character! I would have been happier if they had killed her in a crazy, dramatic, jaw-dropping scene, but they didn't. And then they acts like she wasn't even that important, the fairy queen. R.I.P. You will be AVENGED Mother Superior!

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    • Rafadeq wrote:
      I just hated the way they killed her.

      But maybe now Tink could run for the position of Chief fairy. As soon as she manages to get her wings back, of course.

      Of course, the spot's open. And if, by any chance, the Mother Superior is restored, maybe she can choose to retire and enjoy her life, eh?

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      Harbinger3781 wrote: The wraith (maybe stolen from Azkaban ;) )

      You do realize that Wraiths are older than Harry Potter, right?

      Of course. But I believe the most deepest impression of wraiths should be from Harry Potter series. Other literatures' versions of wraiths aren't much of an impact, plus the distinct signature moves of removing souls... Dementors.

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    • Budloopy4 wrote:
      I know, such an influential character! I would have been happier if they had killed her in a crazy, dramatic, jaw-dropping scene, but they didn't. And then they acts like she wasn't even that important, the fairy queen. R.I.P. You will be AVENGED Mother Superior!

      There's no doubt about that - or not "avenged" but "restored" if there's a way. I just don't want to see anyone turns Dark Side.

      Where there is a will, there is a way. But for now... Requiscat in pace.

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    • Harbinger3781 wrote: Of course. But I believe the most deepest impression of wraiths should be from Harry Potter series. Other literatures' versions of wraiths aren't much of an impact, plus the distinct signature moves of removing souls... Dementors.

      That's not distinct to HP. Wraith is a Scottish word for "ghost", btw.

      HP just sticks in many people's minds because it's a well-known, beautiful story, but that does not in any way mean that the Wraith is based on dementors. It's not, it's based on much older legends, which dementors are ALSO based on.

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    • Ah, my bad.

      I agree, I think the BF/MS's death was really badly done. I can understand it if they use the defece "Well the characters had to act to do something before the same thing happened to someone else!", but that means they really have to make it up in the next episode. 

      Either way though, I would've preferred all the drama be immediate, it just strikes me as more believable that way. :/

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    • Blue Fairy needs to get back. She was actually one of my favorite characters and I would have loved to see more scenes from her and Tink and also a background story, as she didn't have a centric one. She appeared in many others but not of her own.

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    • Rafadeq wrote: People who wrote that article should really ponder on what the word "intense" means.

      The article't not about that, it's about the scene in the church. I assume the characters pour out their emotions there.

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    • Let's see if it is, in fact, intense or "greatly exaggerated" as the reports on Blue's death were.

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    • I remembered someone said, Rumple ripped out his own shadow but didn't die, because he was a magical person, and Greg was only a normal man from LWM, so that's why he got killed. But now, a magical person, Blue died when her shadow was ripped out. I'm confused...

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    • So I wonder if this means we will being seeing more of Tinkerbell on the show and if she will take the Blue Fairy's place.   I think that could be a logical assumption for the show's direction.  It could allow for Tinkerbell to grow and blossom.  I honestly thought a little that prissy Mother Superior got what she deserved after talking to Tinkerbell like that.  Still sad to see her go though.  Makes sense though, as from what I hear Keegan Connor Tracy is tackling a new show.

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    • In the preview, it said one of their own could be in danger, and it showed Rumpelstiltskin and Peter Pan… later, when the "curse" is coming, Belle is seen crying and alone, without Rumpelstiltskin. What if this is his undoing?

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    • It's quite possible Rumple is going to die, cause remember Pan has to give the heart of the person he loves most so he could cast the curse or have the writers forgot that?

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    • Of all the main characters they could kill, I highly doubt they even thought about killing Rumple so far.

      Plus, how could he stab Pan with his dagger if he is dead?

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    • GrecianGoddess wrote:
      So I wonder if this means we will being seeing more of Tinkerbell on the show and if she will take the Blue Fairy's place.   I think that could be a logical assumption for the show's direction.  It could allow for Tinkerbell to grow and blossom.  I honestly thought a little that prissy Mother Superior got what she deserved after talking to Tinkerbell like that.  Still sad to see her go though.  Makes sense though, as from what I hear Keegan Connor Tracy is tackling a new show.

      As long as OUaT does not kill her off; I am sure Tinker Bell, is going to replace the Blue Fairy.

      Tinker Bell is one of the most iconic fictional characters, in literature and pop-culture. Emma even mentioned this, several times. OUaT introduced her in a way, that she is not exclusive to the Neverland arc. Unlike the original story, she has almost nothing to do with Peter Pan.... heck, they never even shared a scene. 

      Congratulations to Keegan Conner Tracy, if those rumors are true. It seems OUaT is loosing much of its recurring cast, to upcoming shows. 

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    • I found MS's death to be totally pointless. It didn't move the plot forward, there wasn't any clear reason for shadow to kill anyone, and there wasn't any particular reason for MS to die. We lost an opportunity to explore her dynamic with Tinkerbell (which was very interesting). And please, she is the most powerful magical creature on the good side and she couldn't even defend herself? I don't buy it. Also, off topic, flashback scenes in this episode were totally pointless as well, while the actual plot was kinda rushed. Imo, this was the worst episode of the season and totally season two like.

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    • Prince of Rascia wrote:
      Imo, this was the worst episode of the season and totally season two like.

      I kinda agreed, The New Neverland did have a bit of Season 2 feel.... save, for the opening scene. Ariel's reunion with Eric, felt like the good ol' days of Season 1. It was charming and endearing, with a very sly wit. Prince Eric is a cleaver-happy fisherman, in Storybrooke.... how ironically, perfect is that?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      I kinda agreed, The New Neverland did have a bit of Season 2 feel.... save, for the opening scene. Ariel's reunion with Eric, felt like the good ol' days of Season 1. It was charming and endearing, with a very sly wit. Prince Eric is a cleaver-happy fisherman, in Storybrooke.... how ironically, perfect is that?

      Yeah, that was epic, especially Ariel's line when she saw him cutting fish heads off :) The only thing I actually like in this episode is its humor. (TInkerbell's "I need a drink" after her conversation with MS, and David's "Emma, I am a married man" were great as well. Especially the second one cause we could see how interesting David actually is when they use him the right way)

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    • The blue fairy's death was boring. 

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    • Honestly, Ariel and Eric's reunion was the dumbest thing in the episode. “Hey, I just met you and this is crazy. I'm chopping fish heads, so kiss me maybe”, wth?

      As I wrote, Mother Superior's death totally came out of the Blue (lol), and while I was never a big fan of hers, it kind of shocked me. I felt really sorry. But while it was sudden, I think it has its logic because Pan got rid of the greatest good magic pratictioner in town, who had been instrumental once in breaking the Dark Curse. It works fine to me...

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    • Boobs Fairy's death was a total shit.

      I mean, almost any scene with her, any scene with Pan, any flashback of her life as a fairy or as a nun... I didn't care at all... She has potential, and now she's gone... unless the writers decide to do the "resurrection-she-comes-dark-and-evil" thing.

      Even the characters didn't care at all after her death. I wanted a Gold/Regina/Tink/Mother Superior flashback confrontation or something...

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    • Prince of Rascia wrote:

      David's "Emma, I am a married man" were great as well. Especially the second one cause we could see how interesting David actually is when they use him the right way)

      I couldn't even handle his dorky-dad humor. Too cute.

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    • SlayerNina wrote:
      Boobs Fairy's death was a total shit.

      I mean, almost any scene with her, any scene with Pan, any flashback of her life as a fairy or as a nun... I didn't care at all... She has potential, and now she's gone... unless the writers decide to do the "resurrection-she-comes-dark-and-evil" thing.

      Even the characters didn't care at all after her death. I wanted a Gold/Regina/Tink/Mother Superior flashback confrontation or something...

      I liked it when Blue would appear in the flashbacks, and I love she is so bitchy. I would have loved if they explored the origin of her bitchyness (?)  and that incooperated with Rumple. I have a background story in my head for her, but now written. However some of it can be found here: clicky

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    • I don't think her death was useless or anything and there was so much going on at the time that neither the viewers nor the characters would really be able to mourn... I at least wouldn't have wanted it at that point, I would have wanted to see how the Pan thing works out. It's good they seem to have a funeral next episode though!

      Am I the only one who really enjoyed The New Neverland? The beginning was so cute, all the reunions (did the Darlings go back to London btw?) and then it got more exciting and my jaw really dropped when it was over... Really, must there be a 3 months hiatus? :(

      I think that the Snow and Charming flashbacks are now mainly to show the audience how much Snow and Emma are alike and I like it! 

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    • Sroczynski wrote: I remembered someone said, Rumple ripped out his own shadow but didn't die, because he was a magical person, and Greg was only a normal man from LWM, so that's why he got killed. But now, a magical person, Blue died when her shadow was ripped out. I'm confused...

      Before Rumple cut off his shadow, he did some magic flick with his hand, and the shadow froze on the rock face. It would seem he didn't just freeze his shadow, but detach it from himself.

      Greg and the Mother Superior, however, did not have this protection, and their shadows were ripped from their bodies.

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    • Could Rumple be the one that dies in the mid season finale? Pan has to tear out the heart of one he truly loves to cast that curse. Though as it seems, Pan only truly loves himself right now.

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    • Folks, the death referenced in the article in the first post has already occurred. The scene being filmed in the Church is Blue's funeral.

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    • Utter solitude wrote:
      Folks, the death referenced in the article in the first post has already occurred. The scene being filmed in the Church is Blue's funeral.

      Well someone else will have to die for Pan to enact the curse, and its not like he truly loved MS

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    • YayMona wrote: Well someone else will have to die for Pan to enact the curse, and its not like he truly loved MS

      I'm not talking about that, I'm talking specifically about what's mentioned in the article, which is a funeral scene. ;) Trying to help people not be confused about said funeral possibly being for someone who has yet to die.

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    • GothicNarcissus wrote:
      Honestly, Ariel and Eric's reunion was the dumbest thing in the episode. “Hey, I just met you and this is crazy. I'm chopping fish heads, so kiss me maybe”, wth?

      I'd like to argue that what Ariel and Eric have is special. I know their relationship might seem superficial because they literally only met once (well, twice, but that first time Eric was unconscious when Ariel saved him, lol), but I honestly do find it believable that two people can fall in love at first sight so quickly. I can imagine the build-up towards the dock scene in which they actually reunited and kissed came out from both of them thinking about each other for a long time, even though they hardly know each other. I think their love shows you don't have to know literally everything about the other person in order to be in love, and it is a real leap of faith too, because they're going solely by their feelings for each other and/or what feels right rather than doing the usual, "okay, let's get to know each other better first before we start kissing and making out". XD 

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    • Applegirl wrote:
      GothicNarcissus wrote:
      Honestly, Ariel and Eric's reunion was the dumbest thing in the episode. “Hey, I just met you and this is crazy. I'm chopping fish heads, so kiss me maybe”, wth?
      I'd like to argue that what Ariel and Eric have is special. I know their relationship might seem superficial because they literally only met once (well, twice, but that first time Eric was unconscious when Ariel saved him, lol), but I honestly do find it believable that two people can fall in love at first sight so quickly. I can imagine the build-up towards the dock scene in which they actually reunited and kissed came out from both of them thinking about each other for a long time, even though they hardly know each other. I think their love shows you don't have to know literally everything about the other person in order to be in love, and it is a real leap of faith too, because they're going solely by their feelings for each other and/or what feels right rather than doing the usual, "okay, let's get to know each other better first before we start kissing and making out". XD 

      I'm with Applegirl. I like it, in an odd sort of way.

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    • Arctucrus wrote:

      Applegirl wrote:
      GothicNarcissus wrote:
      Honestly, Ariel and Eric's reunion was the dumbest thing in the episode. “Hey, I just met you and this is crazy. I'm chopping fish heads, so kiss me maybe”, wth?
      I'd like to argue that what Ariel and Eric have is special. I know their relationship might seem superficial because they literally only met once (well, twice, but that first time Eric was unconscious when Ariel saved him, lol), but I honestly do find it believable that two people can fall in love at first sight so quickly. I can imagine the build-up towards the dock scene in which they actually reunited and kissed came out from both of them thinking about each other for a long time, even though they hardly know each other. I think their love shows you don't have to know literally everything about the other person in order to be in love, and it is a real leap of faith too, because they're going solely by their feelings for each other and/or what feels right rather than doing the usual, "okay, let's get to know each other better first before we start kissing and making out". XD 

      I'm with Applegirl. I like it, in an odd sort of way.

      Although I liked the scene and the overall Ariel/Eric story, I think that, up to now, it's nothing more than a serious infatuation.

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    • Killian Jones wrote:

      Arctucrus wrote:


      Applegirl wrote:
      GothicNarcissus wrote:
      Honestly, Ariel and Eric's reunion was the dumbest thing in the episode. “Hey, I just met you and this is crazy. I'm chopping fish heads, so kiss me maybe”, wth?
      I'd like to argue that what Ariel and Eric have is special. I know their relationship might seem superficial because they literally only met once (well, twice, but that first time Eric was unconscious when Ariel saved him, lol), but I honestly do find it believable that two people can fall in love at first sight so quickly. I can imagine the build-up towards the dock scene in which they actually reunited and kissed came out from both of them thinking about each other for a long time, even though they hardly know each other. I think their love shows you don't have to know literally everything about the other person in order to be in love, and it is a real leap of faith too, because they're going solely by their feelings for each other and/or what feels right rather than doing the usual, "okay, let's get to know each other better first before we start kissing and making out". XD 
      I'm with Applegirl. I like it, in an odd sort of way.
      Although I liked the scene and the overall Ariel/Eric story, I think that, up to now, it's nothing more than a serious infatuation.

      I agree with, @Applegirl, as well.

      True, that the relationship between OUaT's Ariel and Eric pales in comparison to that of Disney's Ariel and Eric.... but it is still very special and sweet, yet endearingly innocent. Opening one's heart to another, takes a leap of faith. Ariel's and Eric's faith in their love, fits in with the overall theme of the season. All you need is faith, trust, and pixie dust ;)

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    • I got some questions...

      About the prophecy... Henry is Rumple's undoing... Let's just say undoing means death, dies that means it is the death of Rumple himself, or what he represent? Is it the end of his life, or his represented darkness?

      Also, anyone knows the status of the prophecy, about how much of it completed?

      And how exactly can the Big Curse be Rumple's undoing? Or is it what happens next will be?

      And what exactly does "LWM" means? I haven't been here long.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Killian Jones wrote:

      Arctucrus wrote:



      Applegirl wrote:
      GothicNarcissus wrote:
      Honestly, Ariel and Eric's reunion was the dumbest thing in the episode. “Hey, I just met you and this is crazy. I'm chopping fish heads, so kiss me maybe”, wth?
      I'd like to argue that what Ariel and Eric have is special. I know their relationship might seem superficial because they literally only met once (well, twice, but that first time Eric was unconscious when Ariel saved him, lol), but I honestly do find it believable that two people can fall in love at first sight so quickly. I can imagine the build-up towards the dock scene in which they actually reunited and kissed came out from both of them thinking about each other for a long time, even though they hardly know each other. I think their love shows you don't have to know literally everything about the other person in order to be in love, and it is a real leap of faith too, because they're going solely by their feelings for each other and/or what feels right rather than doing the usual, "okay, let's get to know each other better first before we start kissing and making out". XD 
      I'm with Applegirl. I like it, in an odd sort of way.
      Although I liked the scene and the overall Ariel/Eric story, I think that, up to now, it's nothing more than a serious infatuation.
      I agree with, @Applegirl, as well.

      True, that the relationship between OUaT's Ariel and Eric pales in comparison to that of Disney's Ariel and Eric.... but it is still very special and sweet, yet endearingly innocent. Opening one's heart to another, takes a leap of faith. Ariel's and Eric's faith in their love, fits in with the overall theme of the season. All you need is faith, trust, and pixie dust ;)

      Well, even Disney's version is somewhat flimsy. Quoting a review I watched, Ariel is basically a fangirl of humans who falls for the first one she meets because she's in love with the concept, not the person. Oh, and then they go out on a date, at least. :P

      But here it was like, “Hey, my name's Eric, come travel the world with me”, then she disappears for no apparent reason for at least two good years (9 months of Snow's pregnancy, plus taking back the kingdom, plus the time between her meeting Charming and that), leave out 28 years of Curse which didn't really count in Eric's case, and then hey, let's make out without even a "Is that really you?", "Where have you been all this time?", "Why didn't you show up that morning?", "Where have you been since the Curse broke?" (since Eric didn't know she was a mermaid and thus in another realm), "I thought you didn't love me back, I'm glad I was wrong", "Bitch, you've made me miserable all this time, but I'm so glad you're here at last I forgive you". I take it it's true love (or infatuation, as Killian says), surely they'll be discussing the matter off screen and the episode was quite packed up with happenings in a very short time, but a bit more depth wouldn't have harmed anyone... :/

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    • YayMona wrote:
      Utter solitude wrote:
      Folks, the death referenced in the article in the first post has already occurred. The scene being filmed in the Church is Blue's funeral.
      Well someone else will have to die for Pan to enact the curse, and its not like he truly loved MS

      True and true. First you neet the heart, not the shadow. Second, Pan can't use Blue's heart anymore since she's dead. Third, even though the former assumptions are viable, there's absolutely no reason to believe that Blue has had a romantic or sibling relationship with either Pan or Malcolm (basicly there's no sign says they were in love once).

      But here's the question: how can he enact the curse? Rumple's heart? Pan claimed not forgotten him, and assuming the possiblity that parent-children love still stands, will it still work if Pan unilaterally love Rumple when he dosen't love him back? Regina's dad's heart worked because she loved him and he loved back, father-and-daughter both sides. But Rumple and Pan? Doubtful...

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    • GothicNarcissus wrote:

      hey, let's make out without even a "Is that really you?", "Where have you been all this time?", "Why didn't you show up that morning?", "Where have you been since the Curse broke?" (since Eric didn't know she was a mermaid and thus in another realm), "I thought you didn't love me back, I'm glad I was wrong", "Bitch, you've made me miserable all this time, but I'm so glad you're here at last I forgive you". I take it it's true love (or infatuation, as Killian says), surely they'll be discussing the matter off screen and the episode was quite packed up with happenings in a very short time, but a bit more depth wouldn't have harmed anyone... :/

      Does OUaT really need more pointless relationship drama? We get plenty of it, already.... courtesy of Mary Margaret/David and the Hook/Emma/Neal triangle.

      Ariel and Eric were seperated for decades, why would either of them want to ruin the moment? Eric's reaction, to just kiss Ariel, was perfectly in-character. It is similar to his line, in the Disney film ~ Grim, I lost her once. I'm not gonna loose her, again.

      PS: Eric probably does know, that Ariel is a mermaid. Everyone in Storybrooke is well aware that to the LWM, they are fairytale characters.

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    • Since it is called "Major Deaths", and the episode twelve is called "The New York *Serenity*"; heck, maybe it means the curse really has decayed and done something worse, causing Storybrooke to de-construct, and everyone in Storybrooke will die, and after winter we'll see the "serenity" of everything.

      Gah, to hell with this, I vote "Storybrooke Mass Genocide". Good for newspaper headline.

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    • No, the episode is called "New York Serenade". http://www.thefreedictionary.com/serenade

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    • XD

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    • Now that Blue is dead, maybe they were talking about her. But even if they were, Pan has the Dark Curse and he will need the heart of the thing that he loves most. And the answer is easy: Felix or Rumple. But it is rather obvious that he loves Rumple the most, because he said to him in 3x08 (Think Lovely Thoughts) that he cares about him and so on.

      So, the first theory of mine is that they were talking about Blue. Because her funeral is in the next episode in this church they were talking about.

      The second, that another beloved character will die. I do not know if Blue was beloved (I did not like her). But then I think Pan and / or Rumple will die. Either Rumple will kill Pan or Pan will kill Rumple. Or both die :/

      I prefer theory number 1 because I love Pan and Rumple!! But I think Pan will die in the next episode :(

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    • It's not "maybe they were talking about Blue" in reference to the article... it's fact. The funeral scene is for the Mother Superior.

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    • Come on! Did you guys read the comments in this thread? There's a POLL listed who would be the one who got killed, and Blue was on the list, but neither Rumple nor Pan was on! So it's talking about Blue. Why there's still new theories about who is it talking about? THE WHOLE STUFF IS OVER.

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    • Harbinger3781 wrote:
      I got some questions...

      About the prophecy... Henry is Rumple's undoing... Let's just say undoing means death, dies that means it is the death of Rumple himself, or what he represent? Is it the end of his life, or his represented darkness?

      Also, anyone knows the status of the prophecy, about how much of it completed?

      And how exactly can the Big Curse be Rumple's undoing? Or is it what happens next will be?

      And what exactly does "LWM" means? I haven't been here long.

      I don't think the prophecy was about the real henry,but instead about about Pan's henry.

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    • Ruby ridinghood wrote:
      Harbinger3781 wrote:
      I got some questions...

      About the prophecy... Henry is Rumple's undoing... Let's just say undoing means death, dies that means it is the death of Rumple himself, or what he represent? Is it the end of his life, or his represented darkness?

      Also, anyone knows the status of the prophecy, about how much of it completed?

      And how exactly can the Big Curse be Rumple's undoing? Or is it what happens next will be?

      And what exactly does "LWM" means? I haven't been here long.

      I don't think the prophecy was about the real henry,but instead about about Pan's henry.

      That's something that hasn't been mentioned before! Very good point. I wonder what's in store for us next week? I wonder if that means Pan needs Rumple's heart...

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