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  • Assuming how the show has been going. You have to think who would want to get rid of magic ? Has anyone given a thought to Wendy Darling ? Could she be running the Head Office ? She has to be distraught from the loss of Bae, taken away from her as a child. Maybe that became her life goal. 

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    • Wendy is long since dead. That was probably at least 200 years ago. That being said, I think the Darling children were involved in the "Home Office" whether they were a part of it or the founders of it.

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    • Great theory!  I am totally a believer and "hoper" that the HO started w/ Wendy and/or the Darling family.

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    • another good theory is .. kurt flynn, perhaps that dead body that greg saw is not his father!!!

      and he is the leader without knowing that one of his employees is his son!!!

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    • Given the fashion of the dresses we saw in SSTTR, Wendy might be alive but she'd be around 115 or even more (Bae was in London during the Edwardian period, which stretched in the first decade of 1900). She might have started it, but she's at least longe since retired. Although my best guess is it was John who started it.

      Again with the Kurt is not dead theory. Seriously, why?

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    • in assuming that Weding and/or the Darlings started the Home Office way back when, it'll be interesting to see who the different leaders were throughout time!  it's assumed there'd be many, as people pass away, retire, etc.

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    • I'm starting to get the feeling that the home office [and it's leader] is somewhere in Storybrooke.

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    • Ruby ridinghood wrote:
      I'm starting to get the feeling that the home office [and it's leader] is somewhere in Storybrooke.


      That would explain how quickly Owen/Greg got them to analyse the black failsafe diamond!

      I can't see it though as it appears 'The Home Office' was around before SB was! Plus Greg says they wouldn't have known about SB if it wasn't for his dad. Also that would mean that it would be destroyed when they activated the failsafe - doesn't exactly make good business sense!

      That's not to say that a representative isn't in SB - another thread is going with it being the Blue Fairy!!

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    • I think is either the home office and it's leader was brought over by Regina or Smee. if Smee had the Jolly Roger [ while Hook was with Cora] then he could have went almost anywhere with it as the home office.

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    • Ruby ridinghood wrote:
      I think is either the home office and it's leader was brought over by Regina or Smee. if Smee had the Jolly Roger [ while Hook was with Cora] then he could have went almost anywhere with it as the home office.


      I'd assumed that the Jolly Roger was with Hook as him and Cora sailed into SB on it? Plus Smee didn't seem to have the brain power to organise a corporation like 'The Home Office' (imo).

      After seeing the promo for the finale it does strike me that we will possibly know the head of the HO. Tamara and Greg say they don't even know who they're working for so it is highly possible that it could be a magical being that we've met already. It could be that the taser stores magic thus making the head of the HO even more powerful but Tamara thinks it destroys magic and so is willing to use it. . . maybe.

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    • I still want it to be Wendy Darling and her brothers who started the HO. After all, I am pretty sure she is pretty distraught after she is losing Bae. After all, she did not eblieve him saying that "Magic is evil" and went ahead with Peter's shadow. So technically, it was her fault. And that sentence Bae said to her that magic is evil become the motto of the organization. If you remmeber, this is a similar thing that Tamara said "Magic is unholy". 

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    • Maybe that "Magic is unholy." Message, gives us a clue of what she had to do with magic. Maybe she was used by voodoo magic or a victim along with her family. Because only someone who seriously was abused by it or knows of its great dangers would use that. Bae wouldn't even describe magic as that so she must have had a truly bad experience with it. Maybe she was a slave of someone who had magic. Maybe a hypnotist ruled her family and she decided it wasn't going to keep going on any longer. The leader of the home office could be someone with bad magical experience or someone who was raised to hate magic.

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    • Maybe the head of the Home Office is Tinkerbell... shunned by the Blue Fairy, so she created the Dark One curse and cast it on Peter Pan, turning him from a boy who never wanted to grow up to a boy without a soul. Perhaps giving birth to wraiths in some way? Maybe Aurora/Mulan had to barter with Peter Pan for Phillip's soul?

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    • 174.69.19.28 wrote:
      Maybe the head of the Home Office is Tinkerbell... shunned by the Blue Fairy, so she created the Dark One curse and cast it on Peter Pan, turning him from a boy who never wanted to grow up to a boy without a soul. Perhaps giving birth to wraiths in some way? Maybe Aurora/Mulan had to barter with Peter Pan for Phillip's soul?

      That sorta makes sense...and sorta not...but we'll find out...later.

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    • Gingham wrote:
      174.69.19.28 wrote:
      Maybe the head of the Home Office is Tinkerbell... shunned by the Blue Fairy, so she created the Dark One curse and cast it on Peter Pan, turning him from a boy who never wanted to grow up to a boy without a soul. Perhaps giving birth to wraiths in some way? Maybe Aurora/Mulan had to barter with Peter Pan for Phillip's soul?
      That sorta makes sense...and sorta not...but we'll find out...later.

      I thought of Tinkerbell being behind the whole mess too, because the Neverland storyline reminds me so much of the changeling legend and malevolent fairies were behind changelings. Who knows. We'll find out next fall. :)

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    • There is an actual "Home Office"  in England and it has to do with Law Enforcement adn protection.

      This would tie in with he Darlings theory as Peter Pan , unlike other fairytales, does in part , take place in England.  Bae warned Wendy about magic. he lost him because of it. That all does make sense. Bae could be Peter, it would explainhis not aging until he lef Neverland.

      Peter Pan may just be whomever is the leder of the Lost Boys. Perhaps Bae overtakes the bad Peter and becomes the new good Peter Pan. Isn't it strange that they are looking for Henry while his father is still himself a chlld? 

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    • Talestold wrote:
      There is an actual "Home Office"  in England and it has to do with Law Enforcement adn protection.

      This would tie in with he Darlings theory as Peter Pan , unlike other fairytales, does in part , take place in England.  Bae warned Wendy about magic. he lost him because of it. That all does make sense. Bae could be Peter, it would explainhis not aging until he lef Neverland.

      Peter Pan may just be whomever is the leder of the Lost Boys. Perhaps Bae overtakes the bad Peter and becomes the new good Peter Pan. Isn't it strange that they are looking for Henry while his father is still himself a chlld? 

      Wow.....


      It's funny but creepy and...what will they do to him. Felix said "You're lucky day...you get to live" WOwW

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    • Guys, does anyone else feel like this "Home Office"/anti-magic organization thing sounds really, really familiar? Because it does to me and I just can't think of where I could possibly have seen it before.

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    • That is creepy... Seen it before...

      I got it! I got- oh great. In the time it took to type that I forgot again.

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    • You know what would be a cool idea is if after the battle with Voldemort Harry Potter dropped out of Hogwarts and gave up on magic claiming it destoryed everyone he loves, so he found a way to get rid of his powers and started the home office to get destory magic, I'm not sure if they'll bring Harry Potter into this but I would love to see it, it would also be cool to see Narnia

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    • What if it is Peter Pan? Greg and Tamara said that Henry was more important than ridding the world of magic, then brought him to Neverland, and Henry is the Boy the Lost Boys are looking for so....? But that wouldn't make sense for them to be anti-magic.

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    • No no Harry Potter I will kill myeslf gtfo

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    • I think that the owner/leader of the "Home Office" is david's father, I cannot remember his name. the man lives in story brooke and seems to have a lot of money, money to support a scientific organization that's goals are still unknown.

      Another theory is that the Home office is ran by Greg and Tamarra who are reciving "help" from an unknown sorce, though the unknown sorce is just using them for their own personal gain. The unknown sorce could be the following people: Jaffar (from Aladin), David's father, The Shadow, or the knights templar (primarily because of the "unholy" comment that Tamarra said).

      Another idea that I have been thinking off is, and I know it sounds cheesey, what if this organization is Kingdom Hearts' Organization XII or Shin-Ra Corperation from Final Fantasy 7? What if the reason why the heartless looking shadow is looking for Henry is because he is a weilder of a keyblade or something relevant like that? Technically this is possible since Kingdom hearts is owned by disney, though they would need special permission, from Square enix, to use the final fantasy characters.

      Again these are just theories so I have no evidence to back up what I have said so yeah.

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    • 66.208.241.77 wrote:
      I think that the owner/leader of the "Home Office" is david's father, I cannot remember his name. the man lives in story brooke and seems to have a lot of money, money to support a scientific organization that's goals are still unknown.


      His name is King George or Albert Spencer is his SB counterpart.

      As he's played by Alan Dale and it's the Lost writers that write OUaT then yeah it could be him ;)

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    • 66.208.241.77 wrote:
      I think that the owner/leader of the "Home Office" is david's father, I cannot remember his name. the man lives in story brooke and seems to have a lot of money, money to support a scientific organization that's goals are still unknown.


      I can't imagine King George getting rid of magic.

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    • Gingham wrote:
      66.208.241.77 wrote:
      I think that the owner/leader of the "Home Office" is david's father, I cannot remember his name. the man lives in story brooke and seems to have a lot of money, money to support a scientific organization that's goals are still unknown.
      I can't imagine King George getting rid of magic.


      I suppose the only way that would work would be if they're not destroying magic but storing it somehow. Tamara and Greg have no idea who they work for and could have been lied to from the start!  

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    • Severe Nurse for leader! LOL

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    • Tinkerbell FTW

      I post a forum in Rumple/Henry discussions to read my long as post look there

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    • There is an real home office in uk.the birthplace of the darlings maby it may have some connections with them

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    • I think it's Wendy. I saw a deleted scene[on youtube] where her father took away her fairy tale book because he didn't want her to read those kind of books.

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    • Ruby ridinghood wrote:
      I think it's Wendy. I saw a deleted scene[on youtube] where her father took away her fairy tale book because he didn't want her to read those kind of books.

      guess it was written out of the show's production when editing, because it was exactly like the movies, and it was very long, and i don't think the audience of OUaT would want to see Mr. Darling yelling at Wendy esp. like the animation one from disney. the one before jane was introduced in 2002 i think.

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    • I've never see Peter Pan before, so I didn't know it was part of it. 

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    • I think Wendy is a really good theory, but I'm pretty sure the deleted scene was from when she was hiding Bea and wanted to get into trouble so she could sneak him food. Although, for the sake of introducing new characters, I think that the leader of the home office will be someone new to OUaT. There are quite a few villains we haven't met who could possibly want to A) harness power for themselves or B) get rid of it all together in a take-over attempt

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    • Surprise surprise... I really didn't expect that.

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    • Honestly knowing who the head of  home office was just left me asking more questions than it did in answering them.

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    • Well, I always said from the beginning. That the true name of The Home Office, was The Adoption Agency of The Lost Ones.. which was close enough, I thought so. I was right, afterall. Just scrub away the Adoption-Agency part away and it's The HO of Neverland where The Lost Boys live, who work for Peter Pan. Season Premiere was awesome. But the spy in SB could well-be Tinkerbell.. the true leader of The Home Office.

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    • Yeah after watching last night episode, I am also dissaapointed that the Home Office is basically what Peter Pan created. I think it is very weak!

      I really like the idea of Wendy as the first founder of the Head Quarter. 

      I also like that the idea of what somebody else said here. That HeadQuarter really wants to eliinate as much magic as possible that they cross other lands (aside of Storybrooke), such as Land of no Colors. One of possible notorious member of the org. will be Van Helsing, which operates in the Land of NO Colors trying to eliminate Dracula. 

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    • I also had another theory, that The Home Office could have memebers of all the lands.. including LWM as well. I just thought of this as a fanfiction idea. Here's how; FUN FACTS!!!

      'Land without Magic's Leader could be Wendy?! (if she's still alive) or someone else, depending on WHAT her motive were towards magic, besides knowing about Neverland. Even, if knew since Pan's shadow took Baelfire to Neverland. "All Magic Came With A Price." Therefore, 'Neverland's Leader could as well be, Peter Pan, himself or King Triton. Pan was never aware of magic, until he met someone as powerful as TDO. I think, it was Triton because at first, he had forbidden his Merfolk to stay away from humans. They were nothing, but trouble. They deserved to die, because humans were responsible for killing his kind. Mermaids&Mermen. But, then one day, Pan accidently met Triton (when he came to Neverland with Tinkerbell as a boy) and was trapped (he tried to drown Pan) and couldn't leave Neverland. After his deal with him, Pan wished never to grow old, (if meant Triton to trust Pan), he wished to stay a boy forever. Triton made it come true, but there was a price. If he ever wanted to leave, he would've had to find someone to replace him. A Heart of The Truest Believer, this is how he met Rumple, so on and so forth. Now, 'Enchanted Forest's Leader could be anyone we haven't met yet, (my guess, we like it to be Cruella DeVil, she may have started the Hunt of killing Werewolves in ALL the villages, which might kinda lead into a backstory with Granny as Nanny, Cruella could've been responsible for taking Anita away from Granny, and that's why when Anita had Red/Ruby - Granny told Red that her parents had died and kept that secret of her being a wolf, a secret) or what's left of Fairytale Land. 'Storybrooke's Leader could be the spy within the townfolk, where everyone else is oblivious to this, such nature and it's Tinkerbell. The one, who spies for Peter Pan, she was the one who told him about Henry almost dying, so he told her to make sure, Henry was the boy... until Emma saved him by breaking the curse at the same time. Tink could've told Pan that Emma was The Saviour of SB and that her son, was the BOY he wanted for so long.

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    • A Spy in the Mirror
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