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    17:23, July 27, 2016

    5. The Heart of the Matter

    Skirting around the theme of love and sacrifice in “The Queen is Dead,” Once really gets to the heart of the matter in The Miller’s Daughter, an episode which serves a timely reminder about why it’s not such a good idea to rip your own heart of out of your body and store it in a box for eternity. Of course, the whole ‘heart in a box’ thing is a wonderful metaphor about closing yourself off to love in order to secure the trappings of power, and both the metaphor and its literal counterpart are played out to a beautiful and tear-jerking finale over these two episodes.

    4. Unexpected Lovers

    You never know what or who you’re going to see in a Fairytale flashback. We certainly weren’t expecting these two well known characters to have shared such a passionate bond – despite the little hints and references scattered throughout the season. If this love had been allowed to blossom who knows where it might have ended.

    3. Regina and Emma Face Off With Magic

    It’s all too brief, but it’s still beautiful. A tense moment in “The Miller’s Daughter” sees Emma and Regina go head to head in a magical battle. Emma is only starting to tap into her power, but this short-lived moment is super-charged with possibility. More please!

    2. A Hero Makes a Villain’s Move

    In true fairytale tradition, Once Upon a Time offers us clean cut heroes and evil villains dressed in black – with the notable exception of the amazing Lana Parrilla’s Regina, a character we first loved to hate then hated to love, and now simply love. However “The Queen is Dead” sets events in motion that will cause one of the show’s most beloved characters (and no we don’t mean Archie!) to do something unspeakable. The event will spark a shocked “This is not you!” from a friend and a sharp intake (or should that read out-take?) of breath from the audience.

    1. Death Becomes … Who?

    There’s no other way to say it. Events in “The Queen is Dead” lead to the death of a major character in “The Miller’s Daughter.” There are onscreen tears, and maybe a few of your own for this one!Sound off in the comments section if you think you can guess who it is, and how he/she buys it.

    http://www.screenspy.com/tv/5-teasers-for-once-upon-a-times-the-queen-is-dead-the-millers-daughter/

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    • . A Hero Makes a Villain’s Move

      In true fairytale tradition, Once Upon a Time offers us clean cut heroes and evil villains dressed in black – with the notable exception of the amazing Lana Parrilla’s Regina, a character we first loved to hate then hated to love, and now simply love. However “The Queen is Dead” sets events in motion that will cause one of the show’s most beloved characters (and no we don’t mean Archie!) to do something unspeakable. The event will spark a shocked “This is not you!” from a friend and a sharp intake (or should that read out-take?) of breath from the audience.

      Someone posted on that comments page that Snow finds Cora's heart and crushes it

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    • Seems like Cora's gonna die this episode.

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    • DON'T YOU DARE KILL OF RUMPLE ONCE UPON A TIME PRODUCERS! DON'T YOU DARE!!!

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    • If you look at the characters confirmed for "Selfless. Brave and True" and "Lacey", it isn't Emma, Henry, Mary Margaret, David, Mr. Gold, Marco or Mother Superior.

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    • It is obviously Cora as the episode is dedicated to her, the same way the episode featuring Graham's death showed the Hunstman's backstory. And things that are the most expected usually always happen in the series, such as the Queen of Hearts and Neal Cassidy's identities.  But, it is strange that Rose McGowan negociates to reappear in season three. That would imply that Cora would reappear either.

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    • But is Cora really a character you'd write "There are onscreen tears, and maybe a few of your own for this one" about? I'm beginning to think the major death in Storybrooke might be Ruby; it would explain why Meghan Ory not only hasn't been seen on set since they filmed "Welcome to Storybrooke," but also seems to have spent at least the past week in Halifax and is the only adult member of the main cast who's not scheduled to appear at the OUAT-panel at PaleyFest on Sunday.

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    • KungAvSand wrote:
      But is Cora really a character you'd write "There are onscreen tears, and maybe a few of your own for this one" about? I'm beginning to think the major death in Storybrooke might be Ruby; it would explain why Meghan Ory not only hasn't been seen on set since they filmed "Welcome to Storybrooke," but also seems to have spent at least the past week in Halifax and is the only adult member of the main cast who's not scheduled to appear at the OUAT-panel at PaleyFest on Sunday.


      I hope no. She is one of my favorite characters and arguably the best looking female on the show. No, just no.

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    • But, I don't understand how did we get those teasers. Was it written from what the producers and writers announced ?

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    • No, according to the article, the writers of Screenspy "had the opportunity to preview [the episode] a couple of weeks in advance, thanks to ABC."

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    • KungAvSand wrote:
      But is Cora really a character you'd write "There are onscreen tears, and maybe a few of your own for this one" about? I'm beginning to think the major death in Storybrooke might be Ruby; it would explain why Meghan Ory not only hasn't been seen on set since they filmed "Welcome to Storybrooke," but also seems to have spent at least the past week in Halifax and is the only adult member of the main cast who's not scheduled to appear at the OUAT-panel at PaleyFest on Sunday.

      It depends on the circumstance of the situation, and who causes her death. I mean - I wouldn't necessarilly cry for Cora, but Regina would likely be devastated. And if the person who kills her is someone we don't expect, I imagine they'd have some pretty terrible regret, as well. Which can be quite tear enducing.

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    • What about Belle she has been in a precarious position for a while now and with Greg Mendell whispering in her ear she might just have to be killed off for the safety of the whole town. As well The Miller's Daughter isn't just Cora's story it is also part of Rumple's story.

      My other theory is Tiny, the only giant in Storybrooke has had a good run, long enough to make some friends. But he is a possible threat to both sides now. Plus the 'eighth dwarf's' life span always are quite short. Remember Stealthy?

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    • If the next episode reveals that Cora is responsible for Queen Eva's death, it will be even more possible that it will be Snow who will kill her, by crushing her heart because I don't see any other negative consequence of hiding her heart in a box. And almost all other major characters are set to appear after this episode, including Ruby in Welcome to Storybrooke. They wouldn't kill Hook just after adding him to the main cast (even if I think Barbara Hershey deserved to be cast as Starring if that was from We Are Both, as Cora could really be treated as a main character in this season, as Graham in the first season), and Belle not so early after she lost her memories. I suppose that if it happens, that would mean that the writers wanted to return to a more calm atmosphere as Cora represented a real danger, and have the time to introduce new dangers and vilains for the next season. 

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    • Sora1954 wrote:

      If the next episode reveals that Cora is responsible for Queen Eva's death, it will be even more possible that it will be Snow who will kill her, by crushing her heart because I don't see any other negative consequence of hiding her heart in a box. And almost all other major characters are set to appear after this episode, including Ruby in Welcome to Storybrooke.

      True, but since that episode is set in the past, Ruby could very well be dead in present Storybrooke.

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    • If what I supposed for the next episodes is revealed to be true (but sincerly, I hope it will not be as I really enjoy Cora's character), it would really show one single bad aspect (but not important) of the show. The large amount of spoilers and previews make sometimes things too obvious and expected : in Manhattan's sneak peek, when it is said that Emma regonizes Bealfire, it is even more and too much obvious that it is Neal Cassidy, or the 5 teasers already plan the episode's ending (if my expectations are true) : the heart in the matter (Cora's heart would be crushed), a hero makes a vilain's move (Snow would make it, as crushing someone's heart is a cacteristic vilain's move in this series). Of course, to make suppositions about the storyline is very nice, but with all this, it becomes a little bit expected. But, it is a very small criticism and it is nice from the person who watched the episode to give us the teasers (and beautiful metaphors as well).

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    • A Rose by any other Name wrote:
      What about Belle she has been in a precarious position for a while now and with Greg Mendell whispering in her ear she might just have to be killed off for the safety of the whole town. As well The Miller's Daughter isn't just Cora's story it is also part of Rumple's story.

      My other theory is Tiny, the only giant in Storybrooke has had a good run, long enough to make some friends. But he is a possible threat to both sides now. Plus the 'eighth dwarf's' life span always are quite short. Remember Stealthy?

      But Tiny isn't a major character...

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    • I think it is waay too early to het ride of cora their is still so much they can do with the character. The only thing that might be cool to see from this ie rgina turn back in to the evil qunne 100% again because right now she is the only one on her side now

      those are just my thoghts

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    • I don't really think it Ruby, because there is a lot of potential storyline for her, but I am kind of leaning toward Granny. Since since Granny get killed would be devastating for fans and toward the character of the show. Because if a fight were to break out I can't see this character standing in the side line and watching everyone fight and doing nothing to contribute. I consider her to be a major character on the show, and if you look back in season 1 in the Red-Handed there are hints that Granny is nearing the end of her life, since she was preparing Ruby to take over the diner and business in case that time ever came.

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    • i would be shocked, but not suprised if someone like snow white or granny dieing, both loved characters and would provoke emma to use her magic on regina, also would make a great twist, especially for it to be snow. although i do see this event to be very unlikely for snow.

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    • I was hoping it was the stupid Cricket because he can't fight, Granny can. But I think it really will be the Nanny and Cora.

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    • PaintTheRosesRed wrote:
      i would be shocked, but not suprised if someone like snow white or granny dieing, both loved characters and would provoke emma to use her magic on regina, also would make a great twist, especially for it to be snow. although i do see this event to be very unlikely for snow.

      0_O there's no way they're going to kill off Snow.

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    • Fractuared Fairytales wrote:

      0_O there's no way they're going to kill off Snow.

      So true.... Mary Margaret is not dying anytime soon. I doubt OUaT would even kill David, at this point.

      Though, I cannot help but think Cora will "trick" Mary Margaret, into killing her. In the promo Cora said, she would turn Snow's heart black as coal

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    • They did not reveal very much of Cora's past as the Queen of Hearts. If the character Heidi is revealed to be Alice.... 

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    • Sora1954 wrote:
      They did not reveal very much of Cora's past as the Queen of Hearts. If the character Heidi is revealed to be Alice.... 

      Sorry, but no  Alice.... nor, anymore Wonderland.

      Just because a character dies on OUaT, does not mean they will never be seen again. Oh, the magic of flashbacks ;)

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    • I can confirm that Snow is the hero making a villain's move from the footage shown at Paleyfest. She hasn't done anything yet but she was shown deciding that she wanted to kill Cora.

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    • Maybe when Snow crushes the heart that she thought belong to Cora, belong to a good person instead perhaps it is that stupid little cricket because when David asks what did you do maybe that is it. Also Cora had kidnapped the Cricket on the ship too and probably took his heart.

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    • Wow.... Unnecessary hate for Archie, first of all 0_O And secondly, I don't think Snow would crush it if she doesn't absolutely know it's Cora's... That would be pretty foolish.

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    • What is with the Archie hate? 

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    • XD Seriously... Poor little guy 0_O What did he do wrong, to earn the animosity...?

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    • Fractuared Fairytales wrote:
      XD Seriously... Poor little guy 0_O What did he do wrong, to earn the animosity...?

      I know.... Archie is probably the only likable Pinocchio character, on the show. 

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    • XD Although I still don't quite get the Blue Fairy hate, either... I must have missed where she earned that 0_o

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    • I really never did like the Pinocchio story orginally, and I think it is silly that people go get advice from a cricket when he as no degree, and to me  he doesn't add to the story except takes of time for the other characters on the show plus when they all have to fight what can the cricket do?

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    • 184.155.191.147 wrote:
      I really never did like the Pinocchio story orginally, and I think it is silly that people go get advice from a cricket when he as no degree, and to me  he doesn't add to the story except takes of time for the other characters on the show plus when they all have to fight what can the cricket do?

      So, you are saying Brawn is greater than Brain?

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    • Fractuared Fairytales wrote:
      XD Although I still don't quite get the Blue Fairy hate, either... I must have missed where she earned that 0_o

      I think the Blue Fairy hate has more to do with the actress, than the character.

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    • >_> He adds conscience to the story, which is a pretty big deal. Especially in Regina's case. He was getting through to her for a while there, and probably could've helped her, if Emma hadn't blabbed about his comment. You don't need a degree to give advice XD You just need intellegence...

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      184.155.191.147 wrote:
      I really never did like the Pinocchio story orginally, and I think it is silly that people go get advice from a cricket when he as no degree, and to me  he doesn't add to the story except takes of time for the other characters on the show plus when they all have to fight what can the cricket do?

      So, you are saying Brawn is greater than Brain?

      Yes, I am in this case. He hasn't told Snow or PC the truth about the cabinet, his advice is really a joke ask poor Regina when the Cricket ratted on her. He is just a big chicken in my opinion. Almost got Henry killed because he was afraid to speak up to Regina and don't blame the curse either on that. He isn't that smart, I don't like PC but at least PC can fight and you know where you stand with that guy.

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    • 184.155.191.147 wrote:
      He isn't that smart, I don't like PC but at least PC can fight and you know where you stand with that guy.

      Hahaha.... David gets beaten up, more than any other character.

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    • I'm not sure who's gonna die, cuz it says it's "one of their own" and this description says it will make you cry, so I'm assuming it's a good person.

      But also in the preview for next week's episode, it showed Snow finding a box, which could be Cora's heart. I'm sorta thinking that she stabs it with the dagger, and it makes Cora the Dark One, cuz to me, I in the scene where Charming is like, "What did you do?" I feel like they'd be a bit more concerned if they had just killed someone they cared about. I think the death won't be Snow's doing.

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    • I just know that if it's Ruby... well, I honestly don't think I'll be able to recover from that. And the writers will definitely get alot of fan hate for that. But... hmm they did it with Graham... I just don't get why writers and directors think the only way to spice up a show is with death. Honestly! 

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    • we were always speculating who will turn to dark side and it seems MM will ?

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    • Anyway, after all she did, if it is Cora, including Johanna's needless murder, we can't say that she wouldn't deserve that and that she didn't seek for it.

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    • 1. Death Becomes … Who?

      There’s no other way to say it. Events in “The Queen is Dead” lead to the death of a major character in “The Miller’s Daughter.” There are onscreen tears, and maybe a few of your own for this one!Sound off in the comments section if you think you can guess who it is, and how he/she buys it.

      The rumour is that the candle will be used by Snow to kill Cora. What happens then? Does someones life have to be traded with Cora's, can this bring people back?




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    • 58.106.68.29 wrote:

      The rumour is that the candle will be used by Snow to kill Cora. What happens then? Does someones life have to be traded with Cora's, can this bring people back?

      If the Candle will be used to kill Cora, it will be to save Mr. Gold's life. 

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    • Skirting around the theme of love and sacrifice in “The Queen is Dead,” Once really gets to the heart of the matter in The Miller’s Daughter, an episode which serves a timely reminder about why it’s not such a good idea to rip your own heart of out of your body and store it in a box for eternity.

      Do you know the Harry Potter follow -up fairy tales of Beedle the Barde? There's one about a Warlock who stored his heart in a box for about as many years as he lived. As he opens the box to show his heart to someone he cares about it has rotten and hair grew all over it.

      Although I'd love to see the consequences Cora has to suffer due to her decision I wonder about another question: How did Cora even manage to rip her own heart out of her body? The process seems rather painful and you'll have to get your hand inside your own body, don't you? Twisted?

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      58.106.68.29 wrote:

      The rumour is that the candle will be used by Snow to kill Cora. What happens then? Does someones life have to be traded with Cora's, can this bring people back?


      If the Candle will be used to kill Cora, it will be to save Mr. Gold's life. 


      Emma and Neil have to sail very quickly back to Storybrooke. Ruth's life didn't last long after she took a posoned arrow. They should've asked Dr. Whale to come with them :) Despite the delay due to Dr. Whale's suicide attempt Greg recovered very quickly from his injuries (a hematothorax). He was able to wander around the hospital in TINY and Gold said he would fetch Emma the next day)

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    • don't think Snow will use the candle 1. Is because she doesn't have the candle in the 1st place.

      2. Also, because she remembers her talk with her mother so the candle is out.

      I do think she smashes the heart either Cora's or the Crickets I don't know. Remember what Rumble said dead is dead he told Regina that and King George besides Emma has magic and will be using it this episode. What I don't understand is why Cora doesn't just call out Rumble's name the "Dark One" Like Rumble did with Zozo instead of going to the shop if she really did control the "Dark One" this just doesn't make sense to me Another fact do you really think Rumble would tell where the real dagger was knowing how the Charmings are that they would give it up to save someone

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    • Could it be Rumple that they save with the candle, if that rumor is true?

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    • 163.191.202.2 wrote:
      Could it be Rumple that they save with the candle, if that rumor is true?


      They don't have to save anyone as soon as Gold is in the Harbor he will be saved he can cure himself.

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    • I am terrified of who will perish! Every character seems to vital at this point, but it might be Bae. We haven't had much time to get attached to him and it'll just create more reason for Rumple to be less likely to give up his power.

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    • It might not be Bae cos he will appear in each episode of the Season 2 now :)

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    • Pay attention to the list of character appearing in the next few episodes - it will tell you who ISN'T dying. Neal is on the list.

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    • Exactly, Neal Cassidy is definitely not on the list of potential victims. :-)

      Unfortunately, it looks more and more like something will happen to Ruby IMHO. It might not necessarily have something to do with the death in the episode, but Meghan Ory tweeting that she won't be filming this week after apparently not having been on set for the past two weeks (which means she most likely won't be in episode 18, 19 and 20) certainly doesn't look good to me.

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    • They are building up Bae to be a really cool character and he is the reason for the curse aaaand Henry's dad,they wouldn't kill him.He has a purpose on the show.

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    • What about Rumple and Henry? (hope not)

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    • 178.223.141.62 wrote:
      What about Rumple and Henry? (hope not)

      Mr. Gold is not going anywhere.... *cough*Lacey*cough*

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    • Hey… I know this probably isn't supposed to be here, but, what is happening with Aurora and Mulan? Where did they go? Will we ever see them again?

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    • 178.223.141.62 wrote: What about Rumple and Henry? (hope not)

      They've both been seen on set recently, so they're safe.

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    • That Barbara Hershey wasn't seen on set is surely an indication, but do we know if Colin O. was present during the filming of the next episodes ? 

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    • No, he hasn't been seen on set lately, as far as I know. But they mentioned that he broke his leg seven weeks ago during the panel at PaleyFest on Sunday, so that might have something to do with it.

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    • he has some health problems,broke his leg 7 weeks ago (hook got bested too many times) and he is still limping

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    • Colin broke is leg so he won't be present for a couple of episodes. I think it is ruby who dies, she hasn't been spotted on set and the people that have been spotted and won't die (not any time soon anyways)

      Snow, charming, emma, Henry, hook, rumple, belle, Neal, Tamara, Archie, Marco, blue, August, Regina, grumpy.

      Plus it also says one of their own will die. Cora doesn't really fall into that category and it would be way to soon to kill her yet. I think her death would be a season finale death.

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    • Just because someone has not been seen on set, does not mean anything. As for Cora, yes there is a big chance that she could be the one that will die, but with her not being on set, her character could end up imprisoned somewhere, rebanished to another realm, something where Cora is just not around for a couple of episodes only to return in the final... maybe she gets thrown into Neverland ... being the final two episodes are "Second Star to the Right" "and Straight on till Morning"...

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    • Check out this thread http://onceuponatime.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:109033

      It tells you some information on the future episodes and questions from the audience.

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    • It's possibly but I don't think it's Cora in the promo it says "one of their own will die", last time I checked Cora is not one of their own. So I think it's ruby, granny or a dwarf. The last two episodes are most likely about hook and bae's backstory. I don't think Cora is going to get banished to Neverland.

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    • Ruby is absent for episode 14, episode 15. Appears in 17 (could be because its only a flash back) and wasn't spotted on set for 18, 19 amd I think I heard 20. And plus I heard she won't be on set this week from her twitter. So I'm putting my money on ruby. However I hope it's not her, I love ruby! :( let's hope she makes it.

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    • http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2013/03/once-upon-a-time-the-millers-daughter-is-all-about-cora---6-things-to-watch-for.html

      The candle will reappear in the next episode. As it wasn't used last time, we could assume that Snow will employ it with Cora's heart in order to save Mr.Gold. That would fit in with the "What did you do ??", from David. 

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    • i wonder if the it is tiny who dies. seems plausible. and lets not forget about cora's plan for the magic beans.

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    • Re:  Tiny isn't a major character.

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    • Fractuared Fairytales wrote:
      Re:  Tiny isn't a major character.

      Not just that.... Joge Garcia is not even appearing in this episode. It is not Granny of a Dwarf, either.... for the same reason.

      Did anyone even read the casting credits for The Miller's Daughter?

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    • Sora1954 wrote:
      http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2013/03/once-upon-a-time-the-millers-daughter-is-all-about-cora---6-things-to-watch-for.html

      The candle will reappear in the next episode. As it wasn't used last time, we could assume that Snow will employ it with Cora's heart in order to save Mr.Gold. That would fit in with the "What did you do ??", from David. 


      Holy crap! What if... what if that is what happens and Cora really doesn't die, but her consciousness is transferred into Gold... let her either take over him or some kind of split idenitity that causes some major chaos plus maybe combining both Gold's powers and Cora's?... a bit far out there I know, but it sounded cool!

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