As we could see, Cora was quite meant to become the Queen. What do you guys think happened between The Miller's Daugher and The Stable Boy for Cora and Henry not to become King and Queen?
By the way, Eva is not Henry's elder sister.
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Just like Rumple is addicted to magic, Cora is addicted to power.
Power meant as much to Rumplestiltskin as it did to Cora. That's why he had asked Regina to make him the most wealthy citizen in the new "land" (aka Storybrooke) before she cast the first curse.
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Fij30jigh110 wrote:
As we could see, Cora was quite meant to become the Queen. What do you guys think happened between The Miller's Daugher and The Stable Boy for Cora and Henry not to become King and Queen?
As we could see, Cora was quite meant to become the Queen. What do you guys think happened between The Miller's Daugher and The Stable Boy for Cora and Henry not to become King and Queen?
By the way, Eva is not Henry's elder sister.
Nothing happened between the Miller's daughter and the stable boy -- Daniel, the stable boy, was Regina's love. Cora loved no one but Cora. She had the hots for Rumpel, but her love was for power not posterity. Cora got knocked up by the gardener in Ava's kingdom. not the stable boy. The stable boy was Regina's faux pas and the Miller's daughter -Cora- killed him to keep him and Regina apart.
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I bet my money on a rejected Rumpel doing something.
I bet my money on a rejected Rumpel doing something.
The fact that Rumpel lost Bae in his lust for power made for his motivation for everything. He was birthed to two unredeemable characters...and rejected by everyone except those who could use him and truly loved only by the sweet astute but simple Belle. Eventually, he almost lost a second son ... almost.
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CTrent29 wrote:
When she finally does find a way (which by the way, not that hard to find the portal making rabbit that it took her so long), she proceeds to attempt to get her daughter pregnant so she can have an heir to the throne. In conclusion, one little kingdom was never going to cut it for Cora, she wanted a dynasty. The problem is that none of us really know if that was Cora's only intention in the "Mother" flashbacks. Judging from her last words to Regina, I get the feeling that she genuinely wanted to make amends for Daniel's death. But it is also possible that she also wanted to ensure that Regina would produce a grandchild through whom she can wield more power.
When she finally does find a way (which by the way, not that hard to find the portal making rabbit that it took her so long), she proceeds to attempt to get her daughter pregnant so she can have an heir to the throne. In conclusion, one little kingdom was never going to cut it for Cora, she wanted a dynasty. The problem is that none of us really know if that was Cora's only intention in the "Mother" flashbacks. Judging from her last words to Regina, I get the feeling that she genuinely wanted to make amends for Daniel's death. But it is also possible that she also wanted to ensure that Regina would produce a grandchild through whom she can wield more power.
She never got that grandchild, only an adopted grandson that was not blood-related to her, but to Rumpel. #familyties
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I understand why Rumpel had such a violent reaction to Belle in Skin Deep now. He was rejected by Milah because he was a coward, and was left to raise Bae by himself, crippled no less. Eventually he gained power as the Dark One, and used his powers to murder Milah because she chosed to be with Hook instead of him.
I understand why Rumpel had such a violent reaction to Belle in Skin Deep now. He was rejected by Milah because he was a coward, and was left to raise Bae by himself, crippled no less. Eventually he gained power as the Dark One, and used his powers to murder Milah because she chosed to be with Hook instead of him.
Cora fell in love with the power-hungry Rumpel and wanted to be with him, what is ironic is that she also chosed something else over him, power itself. Even with himself no longer a "coward" Rumpel still gets rejected. After that blow he probably felt like no one could ever love him.
P.S I loved it how it was Rumbelle feels that finally reconnected Nealfire and Mr. Gold! ^_^
1) Rumpel never "gained power" - he was gifted with it by the prior Dark One, who told him he chose Rumpel because he knew how to recognize a "desperate soul." Rumpel was desperate to save his son and ended up being addicted to the power, which actually made him even MORE of a coward. He lost the crutch and started using magic as a crutch. He simply exchanged one act of cowardice for another.
2) If Cora actually loved Rumpel so much that she ripped out her own heart, it means Rumpel was not only rejected by Mila but also by Cora as well as both of his parents. It wasn't just Cora's rejection that cut him to the core. As evil and vile as he was, one begins to horridly understand why Rumpel behaves the way he does and believes himself so unlovable that the only thing he could make love to was that dagger.
3) Rumpel's reaction to Belle was a direct result of Rumpel's own actions. In his quest to be respected, he relinquished love.
In a Twilight-Zone-ish replay, we see Regina get her wish only to have it fail -- not just because people fought her back once they woke up in Storybrooke, but because Regina realized that happiness only had a very short reach when people love you because you force it and not because they actually care.
Even in Twilight Zone, this crooked man runs up on a character named PIP and realizes he got everything he wanted in the end...but only after he was burning in the pits of hell.
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She mentioned that she was fifth in line to be queen, and that it wouldn't happen without a lot of blood she. My guess is that there wasn't a lot of bloodshed, so without her heart to complicate the matter, she simply used to conniving ways to ensure the future for Regina to become Queen.
She mentioned that she was fifth in line to be queen, and that it wouldn't happen without a lot of blood she. My guess is that there wasn't a lot of bloodshed, so without her heart to complicate the matter, she simply used to conniving ways to ensure the future for Regina to become Queen.
Once Cora became a princess and people kneeled when she walked into a room, she was satisfied. Her desire to be a queen was quelled because she knew it was in the cards already at some point down the line of inheritance. She didn't want to be Queen, she wanted to make people bow down in her presence and she got that and then some, so she didn't need to kill anyone to get there, it became her unstated destiny. But the only way for Regina to be Queen, on the other hand, was for her find ond marry another King (or marry her own father ick) ... and Cora chose Leopold for obvious reasons she had to kill for Regina to be Queen and that was the takedown on Ava. Keep in mind that Ava/Eva and Cora would never have crossed destinies if Ava had not been such a beatch from the start. Cora had pretty much accepted her destiny until her plans changed because of Ava, Snow's mother...who betrayed her not once, but twice. Once as a snob and once as a woman who almost lost her crown to Cora only because Leopold actually DID fall in love with Cora. Cora, on the other hand, did not love Leopold or Henry ... only the power they could give to her in marriage. She heart-loved Rumpel because he gave her a different kind of power, not just the power to eat and have and be a princess/Queen, but the power to control others.
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Fij30jigh110 wrote:
Hmm... Eva was not Henry's sister. She came from the northern kingdom, or something like that.
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It's quite possible that king Xavier's kingdom collapsed before they could ascend to the throne, thus leaving them out of a job. Alternatively, by some twisted fairy tale logic, Eva was actually the eldest daughter, and when she married Leopold, she created a merger between their kingdoms, leaving Henry and Cora as duke and dutchess of the kingdom, but not queen and king.
It's quite possible that king Xavier's kingdom collapsed before they could ascend to the throne, thus leaving them out of a job. Alternatively, by some twisted fairy tale logic, Eva was actually the eldest daughter, and when she married Leopold, she created a merger between their kingdoms, leaving Henry and Cora as duke and dutchess of the kingdom, but not queen and king.
Hmm... Eva was not Henry's sister. She came from the northern kingdom, or something like that.
When one reads the Bible in context, it's entirely possible that Ava and Henry were sister and brother -- Abraham and Sarah were, but that was back when people didn't deny and reject blood.
All things considered, Cora could even have been Henry's sister.
King Xavier didn't seem to be a "sainted" man who would be faithful to one woman, so just like slaveowners in America, he may have reproduced with "outside" women and then reject his own for being allegedly 'beneath' him for being born to the wrong type.
What's the wrong type? Anything that wasn't his type unless he was boinking it.
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Rubelle wrote:
What I think was, Henry Sr's dad was not a king per se. He was more of a local lord who got called king without actually being a king. Happened a lot of time. Local powerful landholders were accorded title king by their subjects without them technically being the ruler of land. Sometimes the main King would be powerful enough to subdue them, sometimes not so much and they could rule side by side, even forge alliances and sometimes the main ruling dynasty would be overthrown by such smaller ones and then they would become main ruling dynasty.
What I think was, Henry Sr's dad was not a king per se. He was more of a local lord who got called king without actually being a king. Happened a lot of time. Local powerful landholders were accorded title king by their subjects without them technically being the ruler of land. Sometimes the main King would be powerful enough to subdue them, sometimes not so much and they could rule side by side, even forge alliances and sometimes the main ruling dynasty would be overthrown by such smaller ones and then they would become main ruling dynasty.
I think something like that might have happened. But cora was quite determined for Regina to be a queen, anyway, to fullfill her own unfullfilled desire.
What I don't understand is, if she could spin gold, why would she ever reduce to such an impoverished state, she could prolly buy any kingdom.
Or the fact that Cora betrayed rumple and their contract made rumple mad enough to do some manipulations. Totally possible.
Anywho, in the episode, Into the deep, regina told rumple they need to stand together against Cora and Rumple says he won in the end. To which regina replies, thats not how she tells the story. Maybe this has got to do with Cora wriggling out of their contract and yet eventually rumple getting Cora's first born Regina. Which Regina would not have known since she did not know the History.
And also that Rumple got back at Cora for deceiving him. Offtopic: Rose McGowan was awesome as young Cora. She totally looked a young barbara .
Cora couldn't spin gold - Rumpel taught her in exchange for a deal, saved her life and that's how she got a kingdom she otherwise would not have been entitled to have. Technically, Ava unwittingly made Cora a "royal" by behaving like a twit. Her messiness got flipped on her and Regina, Cora's daughter, became Queen in Ava's place.
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I am pretty sure Eva did something either intentionally (she was quite the bitch back then) or otherwise that resulted in Cora losing her chance at being queen. This can be implied from the scene where Cora looks over Eva's dead body and says something along the line that she (Eva) took everything away from her.
I am pretty sure Eva did something either intentionally (she was quite the bitch back then) or otherwise that resulted in Cora losing her chance at being queen. This can be implied from the scene where Cora looks over Eva's dead body and says something along the line that she (Eva) took everything away from her.
The part about Regina being next to be Queen in the final scenes can be explained by the fact that some amount of time must have passed between the time when Cora married Henry (when she was still fifth in line) and when she gave birth to Regina. During that time, some events may have happend to make Henry the next heir.
The only reason Cora got a shot at being queen is because Ava was quite a bitch and Cora meant to have her justice day even if she had to take it by hook or by crook.
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Eskaver wrote:
That's true, but they took the kingdom to depose tyranny. (Yeah, I know that King George was a relatively good king that actually thought about the peasants, unlike some couple I know....)
That's true, but they took the kingdom to depose tyranny. (Yeah, I know that King George was a relatively good king that actually thought about the peasants, unlike some couple I know....)
In the novel, I think, Snow and co actually deposed George (temp) when she searched for Charming and before she went under the sleeping curse. Following that, she awoke and they took back Snow's kingdom from Regina, however, they still had a remnant of King George's forces to face in the outlining villages.
That's the way I see it and it would make sense if it actually happened in a few months.
But that's a whole other topic, lol.
(Another off-topic question is why Leopold's castle looks like that. As seen with Belle, the dungeon she was in was in one of the blade things, while Charming was underneath, lol)
It appears there were many kingdoms and kings involved, not just one. The Enchanted Forest was the centerpiece, but Neverland was a kingdom also and Peter Pan ended up ruling over it.
OZ was a kingdom, Agrabba was a kingdom, Arrendale was a kingdom, Wakanda is a kingdom, Rapunzel, Jasmine and Ursula -daughter of Poisedon- even had kingdoms ... some underneath the sea and in the sky.
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