Twitter people's rants are about Gothel raping Hook, and they are so angry, even to Emma Booth (Gothel). Thoughts?
Twitter people's rants are about Gothel raping Hook, and they are so angry, even to Emma Booth (Gothel). Thoughts?
I don't know....love spells and curses where you don't say no because you can't say no are still a form of coercion. Maybe even more so than a position of authority. If a boss at work says: "Sleep with me or you're fired!" someone still has the ability to walk away, no matter how rotten that is. If a witch curses you to be unable to say no...that's some messed up stuff. I would equate it closer to being drugged or intoxicated to the point your mind is altered.
Again, I don't have a problem with these plots being shown, I have a problem with the writers saying it's consensual.Â
Aine1989 wrote: I would say that having your mind magically altered to consent to sex with another person is the magical equivalent of spiking someone's drink.
And with Ivy and Henry, it's the equivalent of kissing someone who is too drunk to say no, knowing that they would not want it if they were sober.
I agree (ignoring what I wrote earlier). My point was that from a perspective (not mine), if Tom wished for a Happy Ending and now he and Lucy (a girl he likes) were in a castle, married in a kid’s movie, noone’s going to outright think...he’s a sexual assaulting criminal because Lucy’s not aware of the reality warp or consent.
I think that’s where the writers are coming from with Regina and Graham. It’s the “let’s not look to deep” view which often leads to deeper, darker ramifications from kid movies to adult dramas.
I think they’d ease away if they didn’t delve deep as they always do and show us the complete opposite of their explanations.
To add on to my post, I think it even stretches back to this sort of “if it was in a kid’s movie..”
We see rampant mass murder without consequence.
“Oh no, how could (insert name) do that!”
We see deceptive assault.
“Ew, how dare that witch!”
I don’t think it is thought past surface level or a kid’s cartoon. I mean The Prince assaults Snow White, but it’s not suppose to be thought past surface level and that’s what the writers were probably intending. (Their explanations though doesn’t show any real deep thought into those dynamics at play.)
I don’t think it is thought past surface level or a kid’s cartoon. I mean The Prince assaults Snow White, but it’s not suppose to be thought past surface level and that’s what the writers were probably intending. (Their explanations though doesn’t show any real deep thought into those dynamics at play.)
  I kind of disagree with your first part but agree with the second part. I don't see the Prince in the Disney movie Snow White as assaulting her. (Definitely not in the Once version). In the Disney film, Snow White was believed to be dead and he was saying goodbye, judging by his shock. (We could go into the sanity of kissing the corpse of someone you met once on the mouth but I'd rather not!) In Once he knew about True Love's Kiss. Either way, there was no rape or coercion involved.
In some versions of Sleeping Beauty, however this is not true. Oddly enough it's the Grimm's who use a kiss to wake up her while older versions have the prince take advantage of her as she sleeps (while he is married to another princess, no less) and one of her babies wake her up nine months later.
I do agree that the writer's do not want us to, nor do they themselves, probably look past the surface of what is going on. But of course we will because they are handling some pretty adult topics.
Yeah, that was my major proponent since the revival of this topic. Surface level thought and connections. Don’t get me started on 4B’s potential for darkness, no, actual darkness, not really darkness stuff. Think through that or Wish Realm And you’re bound to end up in the loony bin.
I’m guessing part also has to deal with transition and execution. The later seasons (depending on which one) feel more kid-friendly than others. I mean, a couple of mass murderers and a violent psychopath come together to...play chicken on the tracks.
So, Gothel was continually following the thread of very deep issues and thought puzzles that weren’t actually meant to be be anything more. Not excusing the writers, but themes and tones should have been thought about properly before introducing them to certain audiences.
I really wish they had stayed with the vibe season 1 and most of season 2 had. It was so fun and dark but also had a more powerful feeling of hope and redemption to me. After that, as much as I love the show, it often had a cartoony feeling and the plots never followed through with what they hinted at or even promised. The show still touches on that stuff, and season 7 seems to have come closest at times with some of the mystery season 1 had.
Oops, opening old wounds.
A big problem with this is that the writers made Alice's conception very very problematic, and considering how prominent she is...
Plus, it really doesn't help season seven in any way. I'm still incredibly frustrated at why and how anyone thought this was even close to a good idea.Â
Leroiblanc wrote: Oops, opening old wounds.
A big problem with this is that the writers made Alice's conception very very problematic, and considering how prominent she is...
Plus, it really doesn't help season seven in any way. I'm still incredibly frustrated at why and how anyone thought this was even close to a good idea.Â
The writers should’ve learned from the first time.
TheRose123 wrote:
Leroiblanc wrote: Oops, opening old wounds.
A big problem with this is that the writers made Alice's conception very very problematic, and considering how prominent she is...
Plus, it really doesn't help season seven in any way. I'm still incredibly frustrated at why and how anyone thought this was even close to a good idea.Â
The writers should’ve learned from the first time.
They didn’t though. This is the fourth time they’ve done a storyline where consent was just thrown out the window. First we had Regina and the Huntsman/Graham, where Regina had his heart under her control. Then we had Zelena and Robin, where Zelena had disguised herself as Marian, while being with Robin. Then we had King Arthur and Guinevere, with Arthur using the magic sand on her, to keep her completely under his control. This fourth time, Hook and Gothel, where Gothel disguised herself as Rapunzel, and tricked Hook into impregnating her. They could have shown how bad these villains were without all the rape storylines, but they chose not to.
TheRose123 wrote:
Leroiblanc wrote: Oops, opening old wounds.
A big problem with this is that the writers made Alice's conception very very problematic, and considering how prominent she is...
Plus, it really doesn't help season seven in any way. I'm still incredibly frustrated at why and how anyone thought this was even close to a good idea.Â
The writers should’ve learned from the first time.
They didn’t though. This is the fourth time they’ve done a storyline where consent was just thrown out the window. First we had Regina and the Huntsman/Graham, where Regina had his heart under her control. Then we had Zelena and Robin, where Zelena had disguised herself as Marian, while being with Robin. Then we had King Arthur and Guinevere, with Arthur using the magic sand on her, to keep her completely under his control. This fourth time, Hook and Gothel, where Gothel disguised herself as Rapunzel, and tricked Hook into impregnating her. They could have shown how bad these villains were without all the rape storylines, but they chose not to.
Gothel especially frustrates me because she's more than evil enough with all her...evil doings in literally every other episode. Knightfall alone is enough to tell me, "hey, she's evil".Â