Thoughts discussion on this episode post here!
Nah, I always thought it was behind a picture in a wall safe.
That.... and Hook probably got a weird feeling of deja vu. The picture seems to be of the spot, where Arthur wounded him with Excalibur.
Finally rewatched and I think I figured out what the writers and producers were going for with "How another Dark One was made".
The Dark Swirly stuff is the magic of the Holy grail. The HG magic was not to be accessed by those without pure hearts. So, when the HG magic went into Hook, it immediately turned him into a Dark One simply because he has darkness within his heart, whereas Merlin's was full of light. I know it was colored black, but black doesn't mean Dark Magic as Light and Dark magic aren't distinguishable by colors as the default magic color is purple.
Chances are the HG contained "terrible power" only to be wielded by one with a pure heart. Doesn't explain the vault and how the Jungle Dimension connects to everything, but there's a step!
So, my theory is that the Dark swirly stuff isn't the Darkness of the collective Dark Ones, but the Holy Grail magic.
Eskaver wrote: Finally rewatched and I think I figured out what the writers and producers were going for with "How another Dark One was made".
The Dark Swirly stuff is the magic of the Holy grail. The HG magic was not to be accessed by those without pure hearts. So, when the HG magic went into Hook, it immediately turned him into a Dark One simply because he has darkness within his heart, whereas Merlin's was full of light. I know it was colored black, but black doesn't mean Dark Magic as Light and Dark magic aren't distinguishable by colors as the default magic color is purple.
Chances are the HG contained "terrible power" only to be wielded by one with a pure heart. Doesn't explain the vault and how the Jungle Dimension connects to everything, but there's a step!
So, my theory is that the Dark swirly stuff isn't the Darkness of the collective Dark Ones, but the Holy Grail magic.
Well put. It made perfect sense. I knew there must be a side affect. I just couldn't translate or explain it well.
The Dark Swirly stuff is the magic of the Holy grail. The HG magic was not to be accessed by those without pure hearts. So, when the HG magic went into Hook, it immediately turned him into a Dark One simply because he has darkness within his heart, whereas Merlin's was full of light. I know it was colored black, but black doesn't mean Dark Magic as Light and Dark magic aren't distinguishable by colors as the default magic color is purple.
Chances are the HG contained "terrible power" only to be wielded by one with a pure heart. Doesn't explain the vault and how the Jungle Dimension connects to everything, but there's a step!
So, my theory is that the Dark swirly stuff isn't the Darkness of the collective Dark Ones, but the Holy Grail magic.
Guess this makes sense. Nimue didn't immediately turn into the Dark One after drinking from the Holy Grail. It was when she crushed Vortigan's heart, therefore darkening her heart. Hook, however, already had darkness in his heart due to his years spent as a ruthless pirate seeking revenge.
The Dark Swirly stuff is the magic of the Holy grail. The HG magic was not to be accessed by those without pure hearts. So, when the HG magic went into Hook, it immediately turned him into a Dark One simply because he has darkness within his heart, whereas Merlin's was full of light. I know it was colored black, but black doesn't mean Dark Magic as Light and Dark magic aren't distinguishable by colors as the default magic color is purple.
Chances are the HG contained "terrible power" only to be wielded by one with a pure heart. Doesn't explain the vault and how the Jungle Dimension connects to everything, but there's a step!
So, my theory is that the Dark swirly stuff isn't the Darkness of the collective Dark Ones, but the Holy Grail magic.
Also all Dark Ones had killed before becoming the Dark One, Nimue killed Vortigan, Emma killed Cruella, Hook killed at least his dad and probably others I can't think of, and all other Dark Ones killed the previous to take the power. That would leave Merlin as the only person to have the Holy Grail magic and not kill anyone as well as the only on to hae it and not become a Dark One.
My theory for the vault is it is Nimue's grave or where she died and each new Dark One is taken to the plac where the powers transferred for the first time. I think that when Nimue died and the powers transferred for the first time it was an unatural occurrence that caused a linkage between the Underworld, the Dark One, and the place tranference, thus creating the vault. The linkage between the three is why a Dark One that has been killed can be brought from the Underworld through the vault and back to the this place.
Second theory is Nimue created it as a way to either try to untether her from the dagger or after realizing that the dagger could kill her as a way to try to remain immortal even after her death. It was meant to be used to bring her back the way it did Rumple.
Third (and final) theory is Merlin created it imprisoned Nimue in the vault because he couldn't kill her. Nimue was either freed from the vault by someone or the second Dark One placed the dagger in the vault killing the Dark One and taking her power. This also changed the magic on the vault from light magic to dark magic, changing th vault from a prison to a way of ressurection the Dark One as done with Rumple
All three theories of the creation of the vault can use withmy theory of why Emma and Hook came out of the vault but Rumple didn't when he first becam the Dark One. This theory is as follows: After Rumple was "reborn" from the vault it caused a greater connection between the Dark One and the vault resulting in each Dark One after him to be transported to and "reborn" from the vault as well.
All three theories of the creation of the vault can use withmy theory of why Emma and Hook came out of the vault but Rumple didn't when he first becam the Dark One. This theory is as follows: After Rumple was "reborn" from the vault it caused a greater connection between the Dark One and the vault resulting in each Dark One after him to be transported to and "reborn" from the vault as well.
I assumed the reason why Emma and Hook came out of the vault, but not Rumple, was because they didn't become Dark Ones in the traditional manner. Aside from Nimue, Rumple and the other Dark Ones gained their power by killing the previous Dark One, transfering the power directly. However, Emma and Hook did not use the traditional method.
Who says Rumple didn't pop out of the vault> We saw his change start in season 1 but not all of it.
Just an assumption. He didn't need to but we will never know. We'd assume he didn't as Nimue didn't go to the vault and just had her skin change.
I would say that Nimue was the exception. She obtained HG (Holy Grail) magic from drinking from the cup, then became the DO after killing Vortigan. So the order of events was different. I think that we can assume that all other DO's up to Emma became the dark one by killing the previous dark one and transferring the power. And all DO's after Nimue start life in the Vault of the Dark One, regardless of how they obtained the darkness.
Another point is that Killian was a dark one, but he was tied to the HG magic from Merlin (as opposed to the darkness that decesnded from Nimue), and tethered with Excalibur, not the Dagger. So whatever rules (if there are rules) appear to emcompass all HG magic.
As for Rumple, my assumption is that he DID go to the vault. He just accepted the darkness quickly because of his personal agenda, which was to protect Baelfire, and just *poofed* back to his home to complete his mission.
From Tumblr:
COD-Colin O'Donoghue
W, W2, or whatever are Jerome Schwartz and David H. Goodman
"W2: Here’s a little bit of setting up the squid ink that obviously we’ll see later. We’ll see Hook use. But also behind the curtain there, there had been a little bit more to do with that snow globe you see at the top of the scene. We had written that Gold had created kind of a Dark One detector to try to know when Emma was coming, and the idea was that it goes off here, and Hook thinks that Emma is outside, but we all know on second viewing that it was because Hook himself was a Dark One and walked in. Ultimately, once it got shot, it didn’t really play, but it’s funny, you can see in the exterior shot, when Hook goes outside, you can see him holding the snow globe in his hand, and it’s not something you’d ever really notice otherwise, but it’s a little bit of a hanging chad from something we ended up having to cut out of the show.
W: Yeah, I was wondering if people would notice him holding that snow globe and ask about it, and on Twitter, they definitely did. What’s going on with that snow globe?
COD: Oh, did they?
W: We thought it would be great on second viewing, but then on first viewing, it didn’t make that much sense.
COD: [laughing]
COD: It’s a shame, though, because I actually—it is one thing that I actually remember thinking about that scene that you kind of don’t know.
W: We’re glad you liked it, because we did too. And many things we like, sometimes, it doesn’t work.
COD: Yeah.
W2: And now fans that are listening to this can judge if they like that idea or not.
COD: Instead it just looks like Hook, he felt the need to pick that up. "
So yeah, the Snow globe was indeed a Dark One detector....which is sort of weird that Rumple would have one when he was the only Dark One during his tenure. Guess that's why they cut that scene (also for time) out of the episode.