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DracoWombat wrote: CoolDudeAl wrote: Farerb wrote: CoolDudeAl wrote: Farerb wrote: CoolDudeAl wrote: Farerb wrote: DracoWombat wrote: The issue is actually rather simple: the writers want to introduce more mature plotlines into the show, but theydon't have the screentime nor the willingness to write in scenes for charactsres discussing the nature of every bad deed they've done. If Zelena and Regina had actually talked more, instead of having screentime siphoned away for the CS show, we probably could've seen the issue acknowledged I don't think they want to introduce more mature plotlines into the show, they are too immature to do that. They do it indeliberately without really thinking about the kind of messages they present such as Hook making rape comments, Zelena raping Robin, adulterous Robin, Hook jumping off the roof for attention, Rumple mansplaining Belle, abusive relationships overall - they actually think that all of those are examples of romance without realizing what they actually mean, but that what happens when the show is lazily written. Yes, because no other show uses things like rape or murder or suicide or anything else just for shock value and forgets about it a few episodes later. Only Once does that. Because all other showrunners are vastly surperior to Adam and Eddy. How silly of us to all forget this. Thank God we have you here Farerb, I don't know how we would manage otherwise.

So if other shows do it then that's fine? This is getting ridiculous, you always use strawman arguments and you don't prove anything. I'm not talking about other shows, when I'm in other shows' forums, I'll talk about them, I can go on and on about the overuse of rape on GoT as a plot device or only for shock value, especially Sansa's rape, which was really unnecessary, but this isn't a GoT forum, is it? This is an OUAT forum so we are talking about this show, their messages, their context. But the problem is your arguments make it sound like this is a problem that is exclusive to Once, by saying that the show is lazily written, and immature, and some of your other comments. If all (or almost all) shows do it, they it is more a problem with how tv shows are written in general, not specifically Once. Thus, your agrument holds no value, because you are taking a general problem with tv shows, and making it into a Once problem. I was talking about the rape, which even when it's used as shock value, it is still treated as rape while on OUAT it's not, it is covered by lots of magic and distractions, they don't treat it as if rape happened (and no a hand wave comment does not count *Lazy*). While I have issues with other show's wroting at times, lazily written is reserved to OUAT and A&E the most immature show runners out there that I have ever seen.

And again, just because something happens on other shows, doesn't mean it should happen on this show. It's like saying that other shows are bad so it's ok for this show to be bad. Well, this goes to the fact as if we even consider it rape or not. For me, I dislike considering what happened to Graham or Robin rape, because they were both aroused by themselves. I'm pretty sure Regina/Evil Queen wasn't sitting there with Graham/Huntsman's heart telling it (and therefore him) to get an erection in her bed chambers. Similarly, Robin was aroused by Zelena, because he thought she was Marian. Were both Graham and Robin tricked or incapacitated in some way, and was what Regina and Zelena did morally wrong, yes, but I don't view it as the same as a man or woman who is forcefully penetrated by something or someone.

As for your other point, not saying just because a lot of shows do something doesn't mean it should be okay for Once to do it, but you have to at least recognize if the majority of shows do it, it is more a general problem with tv writers and not just Adam and Eddy. By saying, "well, all the other shows do it, but Once shouldn't just because all the others do", you are holding Once and Adam and Eddy to a much higher standard than everybody else. Which you can do, but don't try to twist that you are holding them to a much higher standard into that they are lazy and immature. They are lazy and immature because to you they are not allowed to do what you let all other showrunners do and appearently give a free pass to. We had already settled this; rape is any sexual act without consent of at least one of the parties involved. Rape by deception is a thing. No, getting aroused is not the same thing as consent. And for all we know, yes, Regina could've pretty much used magic to induce sexual arousal in Graham.

Graham was under mind control, he was unable to consent and thus it was rape. Robin consented to have sex with Marian, he never consented to have sex with Zelena and thus it is rape.

Then again, everyone in this show, except for Charming and possibly Belle, are either abusers or sex offenders so I shouldn't even bother at this point. And that's fine if you want to consider it rape. For me, I don't really like considering it rape, because I feel it cheapens actual rape in real life, where people can't control people with magic or shapeshift into actual loved ones. But that's me.