Board Thread:Spoilers!/@comment-6208134-20130130185920/@comment-6905051-20130319123212

AtDoc wrote: In most cases I would agree with you, but in this case we're dealing with Emma. In the Pilot episode Emma is in such complete denial of Henry, having been blind sided like that, that there was no way she was going to acknowlegde him in any way.

Her main goal was to get him back to where he belonged as fast as she could ("This is not a road trip kid, we're not stopping for snacks!") So much so that she couldn't even bring herself to call him by his name, Henry. She called him "Kid". So much so, that there was no way she was even going to wish him a "Happy Birthday"  They share the same birthday and what mother forgets the day she gave birth to her only child? She didn't even offer him her cupcake that she had just lit for herself. Major denial, major refusal!... Have to get him home, as soon as possible and "Bail" (no pun intended)

But, I do agree with you that other forces were at work since the Pilot episode. Emma escaped the Dark Curse at birth, so Storybrooke had no hold on her in any way. She has always been free to come and go as Henry has always said. So that first night, when she attempted to leave, it wasn't the Dark Curse that kept her from leaving, because it coudn't. That wolf in the road was the work of "fate, destiny, call it what you want".... borrowing from Neal, but, I believe that we'll find out,....or, perhaps we've already been told by Neal that Henry was produced by "fate" in his conversation with Emma in the bar scene.

Neal didn't know about Henry and still believed that he and Emma coming together was fate, and that something good had to come from it, as he told Emma. Emma in denial, again, tells him "No,... I just went to jail."

I have a strong feeling that the writers will use fate to explain Henry's arrival to Storybrooke despite who was responsible for his transportation to Storybrooke. My beef has always been the contradiction in logistics as to how Mr.Gold could have procured Henry when he didn't have any memories of his master plan, and wouldn't have for another 10 years after Henry's arrival to Storybrooke.

Gold gets his memories in the Pilot episode on Emma's second day in Storybrooke. At which time Henry has already lived and aged for 10 years,... has already received the Book and has studied it for a month,... has already found his bio-mother online,... has caught a GreyHound bus out of Storybrooke to Boston and returned with her a whole day before Gold gets his memories. How could he have procured Henry?

I'm forced to go with the Blue Fairy, who we know has had her memories all along. August tells Rumple the Blue Fairy told him about who he was and about the Dagger and this was way before Emma breaks the Dark Curse. She is the only one with ties to the outside through August and the only one that knew of Baelfire's existence and what had happened to him.

Well, hopefully it is something that they've come up with that will make it believable. And thanks for the chat!....

We are forgetting, Emma in the pilot was a free bird, who started over post neal. gave her baby up never thinking she would see him  again, totally gave her claim on him and rebuilt her life where Nothing of Neal remains. Beside I think adoption rules are quite strict and a birth mother cannot just jackknife into the child's life, there are many complications regarding it. She was young, in jail, she probably does not remember the exact date henry was born. Her reluctance was obvious. Here was a piece of her life, which she no longer wishes to acknowledge and which itself has a very legitimate history and she has to deal with it, a grown up 10 yr old boy all of a sudden. But soon enough, she did get attached to Henry and that too quite quickly. I mean when she was talking to Regina and Henry overheard, she could have just apologised and moved on, but she decided to stay.

It can be debated though, the moment she stepped in, her connections to Story brooke revived, ties of magic started to come in play( Rumple remembering his name), and it became difficult for her to leave.

Emma lied to Neal. She had no intention of letting Neal know about Henry. I think she did it on purpose rather than be on denial. She was quite angry and mad at Neal. Considering how closed off she is, that she did not even  recognise her parents for quite a while,  I think its possible.

Regina hated BF, she was instrumental in her capture and also other problems, how come  she let BF retain her memory and not his mentor rumple? I think august lied all about his encounter with BF. HE knew who baelfire was, so he probably knew of the  estrangement and the dagger of dark one too. Remember dagger of dark one was quite well known info in FTL.

As I said in my earlier post, Gold prolly mapped every event, tied the event strings in such a way that he got hold of  the Saviours kid. Also the fact the child was related to him by blood, may have some latent, inexplainable magical ties and influence about it. Regina tried to retain Owen before, did not work, how did this one work out so well. Even when there was no magic, there was magic it seems.