Board Thread:Wiki-Related Discussion/@comment-1894786-20151107225625/@comment-1894786-20151108181240

Arctucrus wrote: Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: CoolDudeAl wrote: Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: See, Adam and Eddie opened a can of worms when they decided to transplant Elsa, Anna and Merida into the show after the events of their movies. Now we can't exactly say the movies are 100% canon, because we now know neither one is, since they've changed things. But we can't also say neither movie is canon, because both storylines happen after those events.

And they only made it worse by saying both movies are canon in that universe. Thankfully, we all have access to both movies, season 4 and season 5 thanks to Netflix, Hulu, YouTube and DVD's. I'm sure someone will be able to pull out some FBI-esque detective skills and figure out what is and isn't canon. The problem is many things that must be canon are never even referenced in the show. With Frozen, they never really explained what happened between Elsa, Anna, Kristoff, and Hans, other than Anna suported Elsa and got her to control her magic, with the help of Kristoff, after Hans had betrayed her. But clearly, the way this happened is how it happened in Frozen. Same with Brave, like they haven't even stated Elinor got turned into a bear, due to Merida being mad at her, but that's clearly what happened. It's just easier to say that the events of the film are very similar to what happened in Once's universe, and let people draw their own conclusions. Oh, right. An example is Olaf. Olaf is canon to the movie, and is directly referenced by Elsa's dialogue in Rocky Road "Have you ever made a snowman come to life?" but we also see her create Marshmallow's twin in Storybrooke in 4x01, so she could've been referring to Marshmallow instead, making Olaf non-canon.

But then Ingrid references "Do You Wanna Build A Snowman?", a song which later leads Elsa to create Olaf in the very beginning of "Let It Go" during the movie.

And we also have no idea if the Duke is part of Elsa's story in Once like he is in the movie. In Once's universe, he could've just simply been part of Ingrid's story and since the two were so similar, they got merged in our world's telling of it (similar to Princess Ursula and Ariel getting merged into Disney's Princess Ariel).

God, this is all so confusing. All the more reason not to force one person's interpretation of what could obviously be several different interpretations on everyone else, and just leave a simple, blanket statement. Or we could just give very, very, very general summaries of the movie's events.

For Frozen:

During her coronation ceremony, Queen Elsa's ice powers manifest and she runs away in fear. Unfortunately causing an eternal winter everywhere in her kingdom of Arendelle, she is pursued by her sister Anna with the help of an ice merchant named Kristoff. After an altercation between Elsa and Anna during which Anna almost dies, she is later betrayed by Prince Hans, whom she believed she had loved. After helping Elsa control her powers, Anna starts a relationship with Kristoff.

For Brave:

Princess Merida is informed by her mother that she is to be engaged to the son of one of her father's allies. Adamant to remain untethered and free, she bests all three suitors in an archery competition, which enrages their fathers and her mother. After an argument, Merida runs away. At some point, she reaches the Witch's hut due to being led there by the wisps and is given a spell to change her mother. After Queen Elinor becomes a bear due to the spell, her and Merida spend a day together in the forest and discover that the spell previously affected Mor'du, her father's bear nemesis. Bringing Elinor back to King Fergus' castle, Merida is able to get out of the arranged marriage but Fergus begins hunting his wife, mistaking her for Mor'du. At some point, Fergus and his forces corner Elinor in the Enchanted Forest's Hill of Stones. Merida is led there by the Wisps that originate there and confronts Fergus to save Elinor until they are all stalked by Mor'du. Elinor kills Mor'du to defend Merida and reverts back to human form.