Board Thread:Character Discussion/@comment-34563899-20180218220444/@comment-33360797-20180219203105

Aine1989 wrote: TheRose123 wrote: Aine1989 wrote:

Eskaver wrote: Past Hook: Just two ships passing in the night, then?

Emma: Passing closely, I hope.

Past Hook: Speaking of ships: What do you say we leave this place and I’ll show you mine. (standing up)

Emma: (pulls him down) Wait. How about we have a few drink first?

((If noone can tell, Hook and Emma are talking about sex.))

Past Hook: If I didn’t know any better, I’d say you’re trying to get me drunk, which is usually my tactic.

Emma: What’s wrong, captain? Can’t hold your rum?

((Hook says that getting someone drunk is his tactic. And what for? Chess. Totally.))

((Yeah, past Hook was assaulted by Hook and distracted and led on by Emma, but if a murderer confesses while being beat up, doesn't mean that he isn't a murderer.)) Thing is, he has already consented. He is successfully seduced and would have no indication that she is getting him drunk for sex.

If he had been unwilling, then Emma got him drinking and he said the line you would be right. Alas, that is not what happened.

He could get people (because he at no point specifies gender) durnk for:


 * Stealing from them


 * Getting information from them


 * Getting them to pat the bar tab

1. Consent is a process. So even if he had consented before, that wouldn’t matter. (But this is off-topic somewhat)
 * Getting them to confess to something

2. Considering Hook’s other risqué comments made throughout the series, it’s fairy obvious what he was referring to.

3. About the point regarding pirates, this is a fictional tv show, so both points are moot.

4. With Neal, that’s a tricky conversation and so there isn’t a definite answer because everyone has different perspectives. 1. Um yeah, not sure exactl what you're trying to say there buddy. Unless you are pointing out how Killian is being taken advantage of here.

2. Hook's sexual comments are a defence mechanism. He uses sexuality to throw up a shield. That does not mean he is a rapist. Given that in this sequence he explicitly asks for Emma's consent twice, and actually offers to leave if she says no, it's not "obvious".

3. Agreed, just pointing out how dumb that accusation is.

4. Um, no. Most civilised people agree that adults seducing minors is wrong. And there is a crazy little thing known as "the age of consent" which does provide a definite answer. If your perspective is "adults should be allowed to have sex with kids/teenagers" then I would be rather worried. Here is what Emma would have actually looked like when she was with Neal:

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(yes I know in that clip she's meant to be 14 but Abby Ross is 17 at the time of playing her) That picture is so wrong. Emma maybe looks like a 17 year old but Neal does not look like a 20-25 year old, so you can’t take that picture seriously.