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Kingfan22 wrote: ROSSELLA1 wrote: Kingfan22 wrote: ROSSELLA1 wrote: Trainer Green wrote: Naturally having someone she knows will love her would change her. I feel like Zelelna returning to Oz as a ruler and being with a loved one aka her child is her happy ending. I understand how Regina wants Robin to be a part of his second child's life but I think they should just let Regina have her child and be on her way. I really can't think of any real reason Zelena should be forced to stick around considering she is pregnant with a rape baby that will only cause more drama after it's born. I mean promoting her to a series regular just to have her do these 5 min scnes per episode? Smh The thing is though, having a child because she knows the child will love her doesn't take into accound that she can't control a child. Normal parents might be hurt when a child gets angry at them and screams that he/she hates them, but they look past it, knowing that children often say things they don't mean. When the child rebels because he/she wants to lead his/her own life, normal parents get angry and frustrated, they might ground the child, but they realize that's part of a child growing up. Zelena? I don't think she's capable of viewing a child through a developmental perspective. The first time the three year old can't get a toy he/she wants and tells her he/she hates her? Zelena would go green again and who's to say she wouldn't take it out on her child. She's shown that she's selfish and constantly manipulates things to get her way, even if she needs to trample on the rights of others to get it. During those terrible teen years when her son or daughter sneaks out? Maybe a week as a rabbit would be what she'd use instead of grounding her kid.

As for ruler of Oz...her happy ending, the munchkin's nightmare.

I get what you're saying, but, unless they kill her or just have her in a jail cell off screen, she's going to come back. Zelena wouldn't just let Regina or Robin take her child (even if it is justified) and send her away. Eventually she'd find a way back and then... Your whole opinion depends on the ideology that bad people are bad parents and that's not true. There are plenty of murders, rapists, bank robbers, and con artists that have loving families. That's one of the most inaccurate world portrayals this show does. Do you know how many mobsters that get caught and have their families in court crying because their father/ husband is going to jail. Rowland lived with her while she playing his mother and nothing happened to him so what will happen to her real child? I really just feel like people are making excuses for Regina because they like her. This situation should have nothing to do with Regina. Robin is a grown man and needs to deal with his baby momma. Regina is a girlfriend not a wife her opinion means nothing Just because their family loves them doesn't make them good parents. Children of abusive parents still love their parents, it's just complicated. They love their parents because they're their parents and there are good times. But they're often angry or sad at them because there are loads of bad times to go with the good times and, even if the bad times are slim, the ultimate one was finding out the parent wasn't just a jerk, but a criminal. Actually, there aren't that many murderers, rapists, etc. who have good family lives. The idea that "bad people can be good family members/friends" comes from a romanticized view of criminals that tv gives off. In the real world, most of the characteristics of a "noble thief" don't hold up.Even when things seem okay, scratch beneath the surface and it's not. Phillip Craig Garrido claimed to love the children he had had by raping Jaycee Dugard. He never hit them. He also didn't tell them who their real mother was, had them live in the back yard, refused to let them go to public schools, and isolated them from teh world. Keith Hunter Jesperson was a doting, if sometimes absent father. He'd take his kids on shopping sprees and buy them whatever they needed or wanted. He also would snap at a moments notice, screaming at his children for 'making' him buy them things and killing the family pets and neighborhood cats. RIchard Kuklinski, hitman for the mob, doted on his daughters. Didn't stop him from telling his favorite daughter that he might have to kill her instead of allowing the family to be torn apart. They're not always violent, but for every 1 in a million that manages to put on a facade around their family 24/7, there're hundreds more who are abusive in some way. For further examples, I suggest your research criminology.

Except now he has to deal with the idea that the woman who tucked him in at night murdered his real mother. Zelena was with them for a relatively short period fo time and she was on her best behavior to hide who she was. Could she keep it up for years and years? I don' think so.

As for Regina, I make no excuses for her. She has shown more of a dedication towards reforming than Zelena ever has, but that doesn't erase what she's done and I don't think she should have a child. However, that was in reply to TrainerGreen's idea that Regina and Robin should have the baby. It's justified that Robin should have the baby. Regina, like it or not, is with Robin, who has dedicated himself to a relationship with her. Legally, Regina means nothing. However, she is going to be around for awhile so, if Robin gets the baby, Regina's going to have a big role in the child's life. Just because she wouldn't technically be a stepmother, doesn't mean she's going to have nothing to do with the child.

Robin's "baby momma" is his rapist. He doesn't have to deal with her anymore than he wants to. Laws may vary but rapists have no moral right to make decisions about a child they have with their victim. If Robin wants to take the child away from Zelena, then he has that right. I don't know where your getting your facts but from personal experience it's not true. My grandpa was a horrible man. He cheated on my grandma until he physically couldn't, he brags about how big and bad he was in his younger days, and to top it all off  he was convicted of rape. Even though he did all those things, the man was one of the greatest fathers I have ever known. He basically took care of all my grandma's nieces and nephews. He also took care of who ever wasn't on their feet in my family. He was loving and caring to his kids and nieces and nephews. He always put us first. I love that man and I would die for him. Nothing you say about his morals and how he didn't deserve to be a parent changes the fact that he was a great father, grandfather, and the greatest thing to happen to my family.

I know to many bad people that are great parents for you to convince me to believe this black and white ideology.

Roland doesn't remember that time because Regina erased his memories. My point is Zelena spent 6 weeks as Roland's mom and he was fine. No emotional or physical abuse. While there are exceptions, most don't make great parents. My sources are books, articles, and reports. Unless trials are pending, most of the information available about serial killers and rapists is public knowledge. Lots of times their family members write books or contribute to books/articles about them. You don't have to agree with me, but I urge you to research criminology. As you go through the rapists and murderers and serial killers that have family, start making a list of the ones that didn't abuse their children in some way. If you find the unabusive ones outweigh the abusive ones, we can compare notes and I'll admit you're right. Otherwise, we're destined to argue over this forever.

Bad people. Let's be clear we're talking about the same definition of bad people here. When I say bad people, I'm talking about serial killers, rapists, and other people who continually demonstrate a disrespect and complete disregard for others and their rights. This is very different from nonviolent offenders.

She shoudln't have had to, but yes, I suppose if Regina erased his memory, then Roland wouldn't have the emotional trauma. However, Zelena wasn't around Henry even an hour before she tried to kill him, patiently waited 9 months just so she could sacrifice baby Neal to a portal, and threatened Aurora and Philip's unborn child. She doesn't have a great track record around children.