Board Thread:Character Discussion/@comment-11058666-20150826195114/@comment-1867880-20160213101243

Farerb wrote: MBrody wrote:

Gheather14 wrote: True. Like I said, I still feel for Rumple/Gold, though I am disappointed with the way that they wrote his character from 3B to S4. Hopefully, we'll get more insight into why he was so OOC after his resurrection because he really is the show's most interesting character to me when they actually give time to flesh out his motives and personal feelings. Instead, they favor Regina's whiny and hypocritical "heroism" and random minor characters. Regina is more of a hero than Gold would ever be. He is completely beyond redemption; she actually has a soul and is a good person. Gold is just pathetic, and he always has been, since season one. He has never once acted out of character. Everything he did in seasons four and five were exactly the sorts of things Gold has always done. Since the beginning, he has always loved power beyond anything else. He never changes; he just fools himself in thinking he has. The only time he has done anything even resembling heroism, it has been to protect Baelfire or Belle. He never seems to give a damn about anyone else. (i.e. he only killed Pan, because he had a personal feud with him and he was threatening Belle.) The other three major villains - Regina, Hook, and Zelena - have always been good people at their core, which means redemption is always an option for them. At his core, Gold is nothing but a monster who only cares about writing.

Besides, I have never understood why people claim the series has devolved since season one. For me, I have felt it has gotten greater and greater. Some of my favorite episodes are in later seasons. I have always found the show more interesting post-season one. This is just my opinion, but I think the writing, character development, and everything has been strongest on Once Upon a Time than any other television series on right now. Only once has Once Upon a Time had a bad part, and that was "The Bear King." Even Greg and Tamara at least had a purpose; they were the introduction to show.

I'm sorry, but this always bothers me, because I think the series is perfect, and I don't understand the criticism. I could move on, if I understood it. Regina is no different than Gold, she just had the heroes on her side apologizing for her, victim blaming themselves and encouraging her to do bad things. Regina in season 4 is terrible, she blames Emma for saving someone's life, someone she killed, she has sex with a married man while his wife is in a "coma", blames the author for her evil doings, rips out Belle's heart for selfish reasons, and she and Rumple basically wanted the same thing in season 4. Hook is no different.

The series has devolved since season 1 because it gave in to fan pandering, which is basically ships and Disney trash, the characters have turned into either 2 dimentional or hypocrites.

"...everything has been strongest on Once Upon a Time than any other television series on right now"

really? More than Game of Thrones? The Walking Dead? Jessica Jones? Outlander? House of Cards? OITNB?

Well, we can agree to disagree on that, because I see Regina and Hook as heroes. Regina was a great person in season four. She never once blamed the Author for her bad decisions; she blamed him for her seeming inability to get a happy ending even after she'd changed. And how can you blame her for being upset that Marian was brought back? I think it's more that she was more angry at herself; she just took it out on Emma. And she and Gold did not want the same thing. She wanted her happy ending, but she was not willing to hurt innocent people to do that; she was not that person anymore. Furthermore, I don't know how you can blame her for taking Belle's heart; Gold left her with very little options. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

And besides Jessica Jones, I don't like any of those shows you just named. To me, they all just seem silly. And I don't see a problem with adding Disney stuff to show; the Frozen storyline, for example, was one of the best arcs in the series.

Neither one of us can say who is right here, as fiction is always going to be subjective.