Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-25926288-20170429134340/@comment-28211584-20170506200207

The Lord of Deathless wrote: Mr.Carvalho wrote: I personally think regina is more powerful than maleficent for the following reasons:

1) In the letter that Rumple wrote to Cora talking about Zelena and he says that she is the most powerful sorceress he has ever known even more powerful than cora, he says that Zelena was the only one he knew that surpasses cora (when he says "even more powerful than you") And this applies that she is more powerful than the maleficent (since rumple had already known her), and as cora = regina or regina> cora, it also implies that the regina is more powerful than maleficent

2) In the episode that the Queens of darkness join with snow and david to stop the curse, david suggests that they invade regina`s castle, but cruella speaks "if you were as smart as you are beautiful" meaning that they cant defeact regina, and maleficent doesnt Wanted to fight with regina as well as all the Queens of darkness,this indicates that she is more powerful than all of them

3) The fact that maleficent turns into a dragon means nothing, in regina magic level, she can defeat beasts like that with certain ease, otherwise maleficent would be stronger than cora and zelena if that was true, however ...

4) even advocating her unicorn  regina already defeated her with certain facility and rumple  believed that she became more powerful than  maleficent 1) Very good evidence!

2) This seemed extremely out of character for Mal to not want to just burn Regina's castle to the ground, I can see Ursula and Cruella being afraid of her but it just doesn't seem right for Mal to be scared of her - I will point out that the only real fight they had, Regina had every advantage and Mal every disadvantage (she was pregnant at the time, protecting the unicorn, went under a chandelier to protect it, and Regina was constantly on the offensive, Mal did not attack her at all) - that said I was disappointed that Mal didn't just heat her body up and burn through the chandelier, it makes her look weak.

3) Can I get a reminder when Regina defeated a giant monster? I can't think of an episode like that right now (she didn't beat Chernabog, she tricked him into crossing the line) plus she and Emma couldn't defeat the Male Dragon (although they weren't trying to kill him, just escape) so I don't see quite enough proof of them defeating Mal, although teaming up with Light Magic I bet they could easily stop her (and the Male Dragon too).

4) "Defeated her with certain facility?" Not quite sure what you mean by that. Plus when did Rumple say she was more powerful? (I know he never said it directly but he could have implied it)

All that said, I'm sure Regina could easily beat her with Light Magic (still wondering about the whole Dragon deal), but it seems very insulting to the character of Maleficent (the ultimate Disney Villain, she is 9/10 times at the top of the hierarchy and is the supreme darkness from Sleeping Beauty) to have the queen beat her like a weakling. It seems even sillier that the writers made the Wicked Witch of the West of all people (who in her movie was a very silly and humorous villain and got beat with water) stronger than the supreme Disney Villainess. Having Cruella make her take a dragon nap was just plain cruel (pun sort of intended) to Mal's character, like literally anyone could beat her - even in Descendants, she is actually taken seriously (even though she's funny) and is "the worst villain in the land." 1) Thank you

2) she could not burn a whole castle and would not need it, but she with the Queens of darkness could invade the castle and fight with  regina ,if they were as powerful as regina, but ethey demonstrated  impossibility to do this, noting that they were not able Defeat her

3) Regina easily defeated elsa's monster, the Trolls in the alternative reality, A very large number of werewolves in the comic book "shadow of the Queen", threatened a giant in the ep 1x02 to get his hair, not to mention that he could easily contain the shadow of the peter pan and the soul of her mother. (She could have done the same thing maleficent did with chernabog)

4) Emma and Regina only fled the dragon because they were without magic in that world ...

5) was implicit when I said

6) Maleficent is the most powerful in the canon of disney in OUAT she is not