Board Thread:Wiki-Related Questions and Answers/@comment-4975807-20130417180235/@comment-1916997-20150112060317

Andrew Robbins wrote: CoolDudeAl wrote: Andrew Robbins wrote: CoolDudeAl wrote: Andrew Robbins wrote: Well, if someone says that Regina naming her horse Rocinante is not enough evidence to know if he is really the Rocinante or just an allusion, I can say that the writers naming that character Mr. Darcy is not enough evidence to know if he is really the Mr. Darcy or just an allusion. I honestly don't see the difference. I personally don't see it, as Mr. Darcy was confirmed by Jane E. to be The Mr. Darcy, and he acts like The Mr. Darcy, whereas Rocinante is just a horse, althought I think that's all he was in Don Quixote as well so yeah. I guess we can have a story page for it, it's not like I completely agree with all of them anyway, specifically Snow White and Rose Red, and The Prince and The Pauper. While I see the connections, they are rather loose, but we have them, so I suppose we can have Don Quixote. Feel free to make it, I guess, or wait for more opinions, if anyone has them. Well, horses live quite some time, and Regina didn't have him for so long. But if you're saying that he may not be the Rocinante because of his backstory, what about Belle? On OUaT, she is engaged to Gaston prior to meeting Rumple (the Beast), but in the Disney movie she never had a relationship with him. Does that mean that she isn't the Belle? No. And that's just one example. My point is, the writers don't always follow the characters' original backstories, so the fact that Regina owned Rocinante for a while isn't (in my opinion) enough argument to say that he isn't the Rocinante. Your example defeats the whole argument. In both Once and Disney: Belle knows Gaston, an arrogant man who loves her, and yet chooses to be with a terrible Beast who was once a regular human. If you have a better example, I'd love to see it. In contrast to any example you give: Regina's Rocinante is a well cared for horse that seems to be doing fine until he is killed by his master, an evil queen, so his heart may be used to cast an evil curse, while Don Quixote's Rocinante is an elderly horse that is taken on a long journey by a deuliousonal middle aged man who thinks he is a hero. Besides being a horse who has an owner, I don't see the similarities between the two. I can even find more similarites between Snow White and Red Riding Hood, and Snow White and Rose Red, and I'm not sure I feel that has truly been adapted on the show. Sorry, I don't get your point. My argument is that the characters' timelines in Once are different from their timelines in their original fairytales/Disney movies. In Once, Belle was engaged to Gaston before even meeting the Beast (Rumple). However in the Disney movie she never had dated, been engaged to or had any kind of romantic relationship with Gaston prior to meeting the Beast (or even afterwards).

But if that argument is not good enough for you (for whatever reason), let's talk about Tink and Pan; in the original story, they're friends and companions. In Once, Pan is an authorital figure on Neverland and Tink is afraid of him. And Pan never met Tink as fairy (as opposed to the original story), since she had already lost her wings when she got to Neverland.

As I said before, my argument is that the characters' timelines in Once are different from their timelines in their original fairytales/Disney movies, therefore Rocinante's age or who his previous owner was doesn't determine whether he's the Rocinante or not. First, let me start by saying this: I agree that Rocinante is meant to reference Don Quixote, but more in an easter egg way, than a "we're adapting Don Quixote on the show" way. Now that that is out of the way, I'll explain how I see when an adaptation happens. Once adapts literary works, and often puts a twist on the traditional story plot. This can include giving a character backstory (Jiminy Cricket), making them a different alignment (Hook, Peter Pan), making them multiple characters in one (Red Riding Hood and the Wolf), and even changing their sex (Jack). With so many changes, how do we even know a story is being adapted? The answer is simple: important, iconic plot points and/or themes of the work are shown alongside characters, places, and things from said work. Jack may be a girl, and she may be in bed with (literally and figurativly) a bad prince, but she still climbs up a beanstalk to steal from giants. Rocinante has nothing like this. He doesn't travel with Regina to fight windmills, he isn't given to Cora by a little man who rides a donkey, etc. The horse could be named after any fictional horse, and everything stays exactly as we saw it. And Rocinante is used as a horse's name in other fictional books and movies, according to this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_horses. So while Rocinante references Don Quixote, the story of Don Quixote has not been done on the show, at least not yet. If we see more of Regina with him in a future flashback, and something else from Don Quixote is shown, than I fully support a page, but as of right now, all we have is a horse with a name.