Board Thread:Character Discussion/@comment-4839682-20131003142941/@comment-22525977-20131008033104

Utter solitude wrote:

Randomly wanna point out something about that: MM and Graham have a history pre-Curse. Them "remembering" meeting each other could be dangerous. (In a stirring-up trouble for Regina kind of way") Another example: David and MM live in the same town. When David wakes up, nothing is said by either about how they "knew" each other "pre-coma". This kind of memory would be dangerous. (Besides, if she had a memory of him, she could one day wonder what happened to him)

Of course, what they do and don't "remember" serves the plot or whatever joke is being made by a character. Welllll, the curse is pretty solid until Emma shows up and kicks them out of their day loop. There's no reason for the Storybrookers to not meet each other—Regina makes a point of putting Mary Margaret in a room with Coma David every day until she gets bored, as we see in "Welcome to Storybrooke."

Yes on the curse memories being a total plot device. It's annoying—I want me some definitive rules (also rules about how magic works in general, instead of just because plot!:D)

I just watched "Lost Girl" and I have literally eight pages of handwritten notes. It also took me two hours to watch. Whoops. (I do this for fun, I swear)

The parts that pertain to this discussion, expanded and sorted for clarity:

Snow/MM

1. Snow's a terrible, terrible public speaker. I am not in the least bit surprised that the peasants were practically emotionless and tried to slink away the moment she asked them to put their lives at risk.

1a. I noticed that flashback Snow was particularly incompetent in this episode—she suddenly can't shoot a bow, can't ride a horse (she could barely even dismount), is weepy and useless even with Charming's support... ugh.

2. Mary Margaret has no concept of personal boundaries. None. There was one scene towards the end where Emma CLEARLY wanted some time alone and MM stopped David from going after her and I was like "yay respect for Emma's wishes!" and then no, MM just wanted to invade Emma's space herself. And the whole episode was like that, she just kept picking and it was by turns irritating and uncomfortable. I mean, Emma made it quite clear that she wants and needs space, yeah?

3. The "I don't want to be alone" conversation in flashbackland really rubbed me the wrong way—I get the sentiment behind it, and good for Snow pointing out that she's not cut out to be a good leader, but Charming's reaction to it was icky. The Queen made them a damn good offer and Snow has damn good reasons for wanting to take it, but he's going to deceive his True Love by making her think she has the divine right to rule for he is a Man and He Knows Best.

(there was also, like, a random deer wandering around in the background of that scene, it was distracting)

Regina

1. Regina is so much more competent than everyone else. Why does she keep getting vilified for being the only proactive character? (at least Emma thanked her)

2. I really love the change in how she and Emma are treating each other in this season versus two. Emma's still being stupid about Henry and motherhood, but beyond that: first there's the map, with MM and David and even Hook, a bit, trying to help Emma stop being in denial by telling her what they see of her, versus Regina pushing Emma to stand up and accept the responsibilities she took on by claiming leadership of the group ("you wanted to be the leader—lead"), and then Emma thanking her for being competent and later the "What if I disagree?" conversation and how well that was handled and just ;akldsjf'a'

no demonization, just acceptance and a reasonable request to stay

it was refreshing

3. Flashback Regina was so on her game. Beautiful.

3a. But I think it's so interesting to compare Queengina's behavior in "Lost Girl" to the events of the flashback portion of "The Cricket Game," because the difference is very clear: In "Lost Girl," Regina is secure in her power and the relative emotional safety it lends her, so she's more than willing to just say "go away and stay away and I'll leave you alone." But in "The Cricket Game," she's cornered and powerless again, and she comes out with fists flying.

4. Lovely that she's comfortable enough in Neverland to well and truly get her snark back on. I suppose it helps that they're all being nicer to her, presumably as a result of almost dying to try to save them.