Board Thread:Character Discussion/@comment-25926288-20151211170125/@comment-28162607-20160410144411

CadoDoan wrote: Aine1989 wrote: Eskaver wrote: Farerb wrote: CadoDoan wrote: Aine1989 wrote: Eskaver wrote: Well, I would argue that Hook didn't really help Emma improve greatly though as she did for him. While romantic, I believe that change isn't something that is or should be thrust upon someone because then it walks a fine line. Example: Hook went dark and there was nothing but evilness because all of his goodness hinged on Emma. If Hook betrayed Emma, Emma wouldn't go super dark like he did. That's because as Hook shows, he is dependant on others to keep him up and until he outgrows that (if he did yet has to be determined) then it's not that beneficial. I think he did. Emma was so damaged that she wore necklace as a reminder to never trust anyone again, now she puts her trust in him. She wanted to take Henry out of SB, he was the one telling her not to, trying to get her to see her home there.

Also, two different types of change. Emma's was trust issues, Killian's was redemption.

I think he already has. He puts others before himself when there is no reward for him in the end. He doesn't care what he gets, he cares what other people get.

Hook went fully dark because he was angry at how she betrayed him and then lied to him about Excalibur and controlled him with it. And in the end, there was goodness. Becuase at his core, he is heroic. Not because "his goodness hinged on Emma". His anger was never about whether or not Emma was there or not!

He has shown that he is perfectly capable of making his own decisions and those decisions are good. He tried to fix the problems that he created. That doesn't make someone hero. Exactly. He doesn't get to be called a hero for not being a crappy person who decided not to kill everyone at the end. To add to that, think of it like this: A guy sets fire to your house and your family is trapped inside. The guy, after seeing what damage he would do to you, helps put out the fire. That guy is a jerk, not some hero. Did you miss the part where he committed suicide to stop it and he knew he would be suffering greatly or......

And I repeat, HE NEVER WANTED THE DARK CURSE

Let me repeat; at his core he is selfless. Let me remind you something. In 4.20, Regina said, "Robin isn't my happy ending. My happy ending is finally feeling at home in the world. And Robin's jus a part of that world.". But in 4.15 Hook said to Emma "Don't you know Emma? [My happy ending] is you.". We can clearly understand here that the only one Hook cares about is Emma, not her child, not her family. The only reason he stopped sending Charming family to UW, is because Emma was being hurt. If Emma dies someday, I doubt Hook'd stay with them and become a father figure for Henry. Hook has saved Henry from his own personal hellhole, fought off flying monkeys for him-putting himself at great risk and told Emma to go save Henry while he fought and died for him. He also encouraged her to forgive her parents in 4x20. If he was really selfish, he would have been all "great, now I've got her all to myself!"

As for 4x16, Emma's pretty much the only one who gives a shit about him so..... I took that line as "my happy ending is you being safe" which is evident in 5x08 "I'll just die happy knowing that you'll have [a future]." So selfish, damn.