Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-4519633-20141022032431/@comment-25536775-20160516235808

Eskaver wrote: Haha, Regina isn't weak by any means. Regina has difficult times transitioning magic moreso because she's not a natural. It's like a natural dancer vs a trained dancer and both can be just as good, just different steps at getting there.

The issue with Ingrid is practically what you said. We don't see Rumple doing massive things or anything of the sort, but he's not weaker. It's that the writers don't seem to plan out stuff and it ends up making Rumple and Regina look weaker.

Rumple said Zelena was the most powerful sorceress he met; thus Ingrid must be weaker than Zelena. I think Ingrid would be below Zelena but Ingrid does long range limited, while Regina does short range versatile. Plus, they never did say who taught Ingrid magic, so she's likely a natrual like Zelena.

In terms of just raw power, I would say:

Emma

Zelena

Ingrid

Regina

Cora

But if we go with training and versatility included:

Zelena (just barely, but I'll see the upcoming fight between her and Emma)

Regina, Cora, Emma

Ingrid

It was simply that Ingrid was able to catch Regina offguard and Ingrid is highly specialized in ice magic and has tons of raw power to keep up with the more experienced, versatile Regina. Emma was also a beginner at magic, powerful, but not educated yet.

Like Maleficent, who I'll say is specialized, maybe not as varied, but can likely beat Regina under some circumstances. That's why magic battles tend to be unpredictable.

Ingrid and Past Emma and likely others have tons of raw power, but if they can't use it to the fullest, they aren't really all that powerful. Elsa probably as powerful as Ingrid, but we put her low because she isn't trained and is quite limited. Then you've been agreeing with me ever since this started, as my power list is almost identical. By power I understood what you're calling raw power, and considering that sometimes people are overpowered by skill and not ability.

And Rumpel met Ingrid for what, a few days? And ice magic is something completely foreign and umpredictable to him, which is why he felt the need to lock Elsa in his vault.

I reiterate, using your termilogoy:

Raw power goes as follows, in my opinion ->

1) DOs and Sorcerers -> I think we can all agree that, taking only the human spellcasters into account, they're the most powerful. If one is more powerful than the other, I can't tell. The show is inconsistent about that.

2) Emma -> Her powers come from True Love, specifically said in the show to be the most powerful magic of all.

3) Zelena and Ingrid -> Zelena's powerful enough to cross realms with a wave of her hand (Albeit with the aid of her pendant) and was shown to be extremely powerful without it as well. Likely the most powerful Witch (Emma uses light magic, which seems to be different from witchcraft). Ingrid's extremely powerful and controls an entire force of nature. I think the only common magic user who overpowers her is Zelena. They've been both born with their powers, so there is common ground there.

4) Cora and Regina -> They seem to be the least powerful in terms of raw power, and I think Regina's more powerful than Cora, but there's not enough evidence to back it up.

Pan's powers vary with Neverland. It was specifically said that he was weakened when Neverland's magic was. At his strongest, I feel he's as powerful as a DO/Sorcerer, nut after he died his connection to Neverland was severed. He didn't even seem to use his own poof magic, it was Rumpel's.