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DarKingdomHearts wrote: OEdystopia wrote:

One other thing I'm confussed about is that Mr. Gold told Emma in The Heart of the truest believer as much as

"Neverland is a place where imagination runs wild"

lets go of his crane and disappears. I know, Neverland has magic so Rumple has a way to cover his disability but then if he can do that by just believing in,  why is it, there's only one Pandora's Box? His father believed he had it so he gets it. Rumple believed that he had it, too, didn't he? Elsewise he wouldn't have gone to the Skull Rock. If you just have to believe in something to accomplish it Rumple should have been able to open it. Where's the difference here? Pan said that Rumple has still trouble to belive. But then again, shouldn't he be able to walk without his cane either?

By the way, where do you exactly think is Rumple now? The box is black and  had a red button which glowed when Rumple was absorbed. Is the box similiar to the wraith who transferred the ones he absorbed to the Netherworld? Or is it somewhere else he goes? I don't think Rumple is dead in a way of never coming back again. I think it is because Neverland sees Rumple as an adult. He has a son, and even a grandson, so I can understand why believing didn't work. It was the same with Malcolm, Rumple was holding him back because he constantly was reminded of him being a father. Rumple is hold back because he is trying to save his grandson.

If they had taken Pinocchio with them, this would have been prevented xD

And I think we'll see Rumple in the next episode again, and if not the one after that. I do wonder how it looks inside of Pandora's Box. Maybe there is a whole realm itself inside of the box, a land of evil. It's likely that Rumple wasn't able to use magic (Pandora's box ) because he visited Neverland  searching for his grandson. Moreover he was reunited with his son. He's twice reminded that he's old now because Bae has a child himself. But then again, Pan himself shouldn't be able to use magic. Letting go of Rumple bought Malcolm who became Peter Pan youth and magic. Henry entering Neverland should have changed that in the first place. It was enough for the Shadow to remind Malcom that he doesn't belong to Neverland and can't use magic to fly because he has a son = is old. Neal is Pan's grandson and Henry is his great-grandson. Having a great-grandson makes you very old.

The only reason I can imagine why Pan is able to use magic and Rumple is not is that Pan broke the Rules. If you break them you're not bond to them. If you care for rules they apply to you. Rumple believed he has to save his grandson Henry. Moreover he believed he wouldn't survive this voyage.

In conclusion it means that Pan had to try very hard to successfully forget his son despite anything he's saying to Rumple in their last conversation.