Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-67.162.224.171-20130311010520/@comment-6905051-20130314084712

190.236.73.224 wrote: Regina didn't get Henry by cursing his family, Emma gave him up for adoption because she couldn't take care of him, that's not on Regina but on August and Neal, they're the reason Emma gave him up, Regina never planned to adopt Henry when she cast the curse, even more if she had never done it Henry wouldn't even exist.

How do you know she doesn't love her child? How do you know how she feels? The writers have stated time and time again that Regina DOES LOVE Henry, it's your assumption that she doesn't. They've also stated Henry didn't grow up knowing time wasn't passing, he didn't go to therapy for that reason, he wasn't aware of the curse until 1 month before Emma came to Storybrooke, if he went to therapy it was probably due to the fact that he was adopted and knowing someone gave him up, like MM said in the first episode he was having trouble with that, Archie did say that he was having problems with his mom because she was trying to connect with him seems like he was having adoption related problems.

Also it seems like they used to have a good relationship according to that picture in his bedroom where he's smiling happily as Regina hugs him, and that 'For Mommy' thing.

Once Emma arrived in Storybrooke that's when the reason for his therapy with Archie changed, she did lie to him and that was very bad but it's not to convince him or other people that he was crazy, it wasn't her plan that he felt that way, she was trying to make him doubt his believe in the curse and move on from that, she didn't do it to make others doubt him because nobody would believe something like that anyway, it wasn't about others or about subduing Henry, it was about getting him to dismiss his believe in the curse. And once we actually put ourselves in Regina's position, what would we have done? Telling Henry that yes the curse was real and she was the EQ wouldn't have really accomplished anything, Henry would have rejected her even more strongly now knowing the truth and accuse her to others saying she admitted the curse is real and they're fairytale characters, this would have brought her even more trouble because people would've believed she was the one who was crazy and they'd have taken Henry away from her and probably institutionalized her, even if that didn't happen she'd have lost Henry anyway. So it was a very complicated situation, I'm not saying that lying to him wasn't wrong but once you think it through it wasn't as if she had a lot of choices.

On a side note, DON'T EVER SAY Regina deserved what happened to her, it was something horrible, to kill her own mother while thinking she was doing the right thing for her, what Snow did was very very wrong taking advantage of her intimate knowledge of Regina's emotional state and necessity for love, and I'm happy she's feeling guilty because that means she understands how deeply wrong her actions had been, it means she acknowledges her terrible mistake. What I'm not so thrilled about is the fandom's reaction to it, I can't believe there're people saying she 'deserves it' or that 'she had it coming' no one should have to go through that no matter what they did and saying things like that make me doubt the fandom is getting the idea, not only that, THEY'RE BECOMING COLD AND UNEMPATHETIC and is kind of worrisome.

And why was Emma the way she was? growing up alone? Thieving for a living? Going to jail, with no support or contact whatsover when neal left her?

I don't know how she feels, given she is a character on a television fantasy series and I am a viewer and thats the only thing I can do, assume based on what I see. I am free to form my opinion, just like you formed yours. How do you know she really truly loved him? You too are forming your opinion, like for example your sentence here. "Also it seems like they used to have a good relationship "

Again, you form your own opinion about her trying to make him not believe in the curse. She wanted her place to be secure and she tried her best to do it, even if it means making her son not to believe it anyway. So yeah, she gives herself more importance. Also it can be argued, had she not tried her best to dissuade Henry, maybe he wouldn't have pursued his theory so doggedly.

On a side note, DON'T EVER TELL ME WHAT TO SAY. You have the liberty to form your opinion on everything under sky including fandom and so does everyone else.

 She already killed her own father, for her own need to cast the curse to be happy so I don't get it why all of a sudden its horrible and evil of snow to manipulate her.

Why don't you follow your advice and put yourself in Snow's place and see what choices she did have. She was proably going to kill Cora herself had Regina not interrupted her.

And why is it horrible when Regina gets manipulated once but not when she does the manipulation, taking the advantage  of other people's limitation, their love, the  nobility of character, their binding obligations. She even manipulated henry to come to her  by torturing townspeople. And she manipulated Genie into killing his own beloved master. List is endless. She manipulated Snow even, when she made her eat the apple, knowing fully well she won't keep charming alive as promised. Oh and yes, the mother she is mourning now, she pushed her through rumple's mirror to kill her, later hired hook to kill her too.

Snow regretted her decision immediately, ran to stop Regina even. Regina didn't even regret manipulating her dear son Henry.

<span lang="EN" style="color: rgb(58, 58, 58); font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt; mso-ansi-language: EN;">And Fandom COLD AND UNEMPATHETIC? Please read what you yourself wrote about Snow here.

<span lang="EN" style="color: rgb(58, 58, 58); font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; font-size: 10pt; mso-ansi-language: EN;">If anything, they sympathize with Regina, her willingness to change and also acknowledge the evil she does on a daily basis. There is no absolute justifcation for whatever she has been doing for so long. So yeah she had it coming.