Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-1916997-20160401165933/@comment-25926288-20160401183228

And then I kind of want to ask you "when did you start watching the show?"

Once in season 4 when in overdrive to cram in all the Disney and wasn't subtle and that's why older (by that I mean from Pilot) fans of the show were (in general) not that happy or eager becuase it's practically "selling out". That;s mostly because Once overdid it. If it was just Ingrid, everything would be Once status quo, but they literally inserted "can't change out of my dress" Elsa and Anna into the story for the smart businesss move it might have been.

When Elsa appeared in the 3 finale, I was upset. Then I watched Frozen and I was still upset. I watched the season which was written adequately and I was still upset. Well, that's a topic for another thread XD

The issue was that Once was the show that mashed up the old stories, legends, etc and took an original take on it, including iconography popularized by Disney and other stuff (but mostly Disney) that eventually turned into the show that inserted the next popular Disney movie characters to fanfic it out.

You can easily see that in how they described writing and the formation of each season. It went from something like "We wanted to change things and adda twist to the characters that no one ever knew" to " we aren't going to change Elsa and Anna and Merida because their movies were great" or something to that effect. That's the part that irritated me. It went from hardworking ingenuity (which somethings weren't always great) to lazy insertions with decent levels of effort put into it.

I can accept having more direct Disney insertions if they didn't keep them exactly the same as those sources. I can deal with Hades and the blue hair because he's not a power-hungry used car salesman, but the distinguished and sociopathic gentleman. I can't deal with Merida spouting Brave every other sentence and wearing the same outfit, having the same attitude, and no real character growth. Likewise, with Frozen. Many started this show to see our worlds turned upside down, not to see writers write fanfiction of "What happened after Frozen ended".

Luckily they seemed to return to less Disney insertion and a greater focus on the core cast, but that's yet another topic for another thread XD