Board Thread:Rant and Rave/@comment-31592902-20170630182255/@comment-28162607-20170713191437

Eskaver wrote: Aine1989 wrote: If he slept with her when she was Lacey (I can't remember if it was intimate or whether it was implied or anything) that is rape because she is not in her right mind and does not have her free will. That is rape. It's pretty much the same as sleeping with someone while they are drunk and you are not.

'''You inferring something doesn't make it so. Simply, this has to be disregarded because it isn't factual.'''

In the s4 final (And given that they were married with a child Ii'm pretty sure they had sex) it was rape because he had brainwashed her into thinking she loved him and wanted to be with him when she did not. Again, same as sleeping with a drunk person. And the book was Rumple's story, Isaac wrote what Rumple told him to.

'''Rumple tells Isaac to write him in a new reality as a hero and living happily with Belle. That's not anything like drugging someone. If you want to see that, see what Arthur did to Gwen. You can't apply reality-warping to drugging someone. If a widower wished his deceased lover to have never died, then I guess he commited assault as well. I'm being sarcastic, but we simply can't equate reality warping to common crimes.'''

5x11 is rape because she slept with him on the condition that he had changed when he hadn't, and he knew that. Consent gained through deceit is not consent. He knew she would not have consented if she knew the truth.

'''Nope. Belle returned somewhat belated that Rumple lied to her and saw that he did a selfless thing by sending her away. No deceit there. He DID selflessly send her away and she never said anything about him being a changed man, either.'''

I would also say that their first sex on their wedding night in 4x01 is not rape, but shaky consent grounds (but if a rape victim did argue it was I would not object).

This one actually has more ground than the other ones, but I'll agree that it's shaky.

I am not throwing around words casually. Rape is not as straightforward as a guy in an alleyway with a knife. Responses in Bold. Re: Lacey- Which is why I said 'possibly'. There is a possibility they slept together, and if they did, that is rape because she was not in her right mind.

Re: The AU- Isaac only wrote what Rumple told him to. In 4x21 Gold got Isaac and told him to write and gave him a blank book. His last lines were "it's time villains finally win". Then in 4x22- "I need one last detail" [Isaac]. Rumple was telling Isaac what to write. And therefore got him to force Belle into a nonconsenting relationship and any sex (which we can expect given they were married and had a child) was rape.

Re: 5x11-Belle came back because "for the first time you were truly selfess" and thought he was continuing to change and be selfless, which he was not (ie. he conned Hook and rendered his sacrifice meaningless) and therefore gained her consent through deception. Rape.

Fine I was wrong, one definite rape (5x11) two possible rapes (Lacey and the AU). As well as one rape attempt (attempting to let her believe he was trying to safe Storybrooke from Ingrid when he was the one destroying it).