Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26159109-20160131095607/@comment-26159109-20160131100756

Avatar Beta wrote: Farerb wrote: Avatar Beta wrote: This post actually lends credibility to my own idea of the once Double Standard: we're told Rumple is beyond redemption, most recently with or without the DO power to influence him. Yet in the grand scheme of things, Hook and Regina, the struggling heroes who have fought so hard and come so far, do little to set themselves above him. Regina willingly reverts when heroism no longer reaps benefits for her and has more than once said she never believed herself in the wrong. Hook never lets go of his desire for revenge the same way we're told Rumple can't give up power. Despite this, they aren't given the same measure of distrust Rumple gets and he's not given their support. All three of them are garbage, at least Rumple admits it.

The thing is that none of them does anything to actually earn redemption. All they do is say how they've changed and have the other characters apologizing for them or victim blaming themselves.

Hook: He attacked Archie and Belle. The former he had never spoke with, and he gave a disrespectful apology to the latter, and she just "forgave" him (we never actually see that). What he did in 4A, keeping secrets about lying to everyone about what he did with Rumple (before his heart was taken). When he realized Rumple lied about the dagger, he decided to blackmail him instead of doing the right thing and tell Belle (sommething all the characters are doing now). All of it was forgotten and everyone just blamed Rumple.

Regina: She actually made progress in season 3. In season 4, she became a whiner that thinks she deserves a happy ending, instead of doing the right thing. She blames the author for every horrible thing she has done, she blames Emma for saving an innocent woman, just because it prvented her from getting man d**k, she has adulterous sex with a marrief man while his wife is in a coma, and everyone became her cheerleaders, Snow was like "good for you for sleeping with a married man". And same with Hook, she gives a disrespectful apology to Belle. When there are characters who call on the crap she does like Archie or Blue, they suddenly become shady with hidden motivations. Why nobody thinks Blue doesn't want to help Regina because Regina doesn't deserve her help.

The problem with this two is that the manipulative narrative wants us to believe they have changed while they actually didn't. They just changed other characters like Emma, Snow and Belle to become their enablers and apologist and victim blaming for the horrible things they've done and still continue to do.

Rumple: he does horrible things and treats Belle poorly (she has become the most pathetic character on the show because of how she lets other characters treat her), but the narrative says he is a bad guy. They don't manipulate anything with him.

The "Heroes" are not great either: Robin is close to be garbage like the three above with all his adulterous sex, Snow and Charming turned into hypocrites and Emma has become selfish. I'm still waiting for her to take responsibility for killing innocent flying monkeys and allowing Zelena to kill Marian (she doesn't even feel bad about it). I respect your opinion but I love Rumple and tbh, I think there's a double standard for the Charmings too: They are so guilty about how they "mistreat" Regina, they let her crap all over them 24/7 and despite being told their "Hero" way doesn't work, going the less moral route backfires on them always. They tried to save Lilly but nobody acknowledges that. Also, I don't think it's fair to say Emma Let Zelena kill marian. Zelena was dead as far as anyone knew. But getting this thread back on topic: I hate Hook and since he killed Merlin {my favorite new character of Season 5}, I hate him even more. Killing Merlin is another act from Hook that will go without any consequences.

Leaving a woman unconsious and defenseless alone pretty much made Marian's death Emma's fault as well, regardless if she didn't know about Zelena.