Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-11058666-20141228031222/@comment-26033121-20151001154555

ROSSELLA1 wrote: Eskaver wrote: This stems from the core problem of not understanding Beauty and the Beast (THE BOOK). The story was about discovering beauty underneath a ghastly appearance. That beast had a normal demeanor and attitude. Disney made him a bit of a loner/ bad boy archetype and change the moral to seeing the good underneath a beastly appearance and mannerisms showing that they can change.

This is what befalls this relationship. BatB the original was about normal people with different physical appearances. Disney was abput changing a person by seeing the good in them and there was good underneath.

Rumple isn't the beast. He is a terrible person underneath. That's why they had to try to strip his heart, because he's just bad even without the curse. It worked for Disney, but it will not for Once because they need more originality. They hinge on Disney and think it'll please the fans but it doesn't mean it works.

It's the whole issue with all the characters. Evil Queen was just a bit vain, but Regina is a mass-murdering rapist and tyrant. Beast was a man-child that shyed away from love. Rumple is a lying, lying, manipulative, lying, murdering, torturous, and lying coward. They are not the same. I would urge all fans to stop seeing Disney and see it for Once. They are not Beauty and the Beast. They are not Belle and the Beast. They are Belle (OUAT) and Rumplestilskin and Disney should not be the basis for the relationship when they are nothing alike. Well, I don't think we should be so quick to pretend the Beast is just immature. True, in Disney and in the Grimm fairy tales, he has a good side. However, he holds Belle's father prisoner because he picked a rose/trespassed. He only lets him go when Belle promises to be his prisoner instead. I believe in the Disney film he even refuses to let her eat one night just because she doesn't want to eat with him. He might not be completely evil, but he's definitly at least partly evil. Whatever Disney or Grimm intended the film/story to be  about, it pretty much glorifies Stockholm syndrome. I wouldn't say Belle and Rumple aren't Belle and the Beast, just a more honest version of them. In real life, a man/beast who holds a woman prisoner, regardless of whether or not her father picked a rose, is not a good guy or someone who will reform with a kiss of true love. Yeah, I agree. I do think they went pretty far with making Rumple too dark in S4, and I don't think he is a good guy, overall. However, I definitely do believe that there is some good in him through his love for Belle and Baelfire. However, realistically, love isn't going to immediately change someone who has done so many bad things.