Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-25926288-20170429134340/@comment-28211584-20180601214825

DracoWombat wrote: Mr.Carvalho wrote: DracoWombat wrote: Mr.Carvalho wrote: I dont think that the seviors are powerful as the dark ones, there power comes from the graal , is other level of magic ( non sevior has defeact one dark one in show )

And i dont understand why you put ingrid and gothel above cora, regina and zelena ( with robins magic) , ingrid is limited to ice magic and gothal lose to alice ... , i can see they handle them pretty easy.

also, the apprendice is not powerful , the point is that he has so much knowledge , and use this to create portals and spells Ingrid can cast non-ice magic; Elsa is the one that's limited to ice magic. Inrgid cast multiple non-ice related spells, and has repeatedly used telekinesis. Moreover, she doesn't really... fit  very well within the universe that Once built. Ingrid and Elsa's powers are Disney magic, not Once magic. It's hard to put Ingrid in a tier because she doesn't follow the internal logic of the show. That's why I said maybe Ingrid.

As for the Apprentice, his magic has always seemed to be just an extension of the Sorcerer's. If Merlin is on tier one, so is he. well, she just has TK , not any other non-ice magic ( cast spell isnt a magic that you possess , snow cast one dark curse ,and the mirror thing she had emma`s and elsa`s magic)  , she cant transmutate or freeze someone ( things that both cora and regina could do to her )

Apprendice is not merlin, he was teach by him , "cora learned with rumple so she is on the same level he is" , why he need a fucking sword ? zorro beat him just with TK Snow "cast the curse" in the sense that she crushed the heart and therefore controlled the curse. Regina was the one to collect and reunite the ingredients and "cast" the spell. Also, Ingrid had telekinesis, poofing, and magical choking. Probably more as well, though I'd need to see her scenes again to check.

The Apprentice can open portals to the LWM. I assume that since that's something only the Sorcerer can do, that his powers are an extension of his. Also, battles aren't the best way to test magical power since battles are often won by who's fastest or uses their magic more cleverly. Magical choking is tekelinesis, they are the same thing. she just have TK, TP and ice-magic , she cant do anything else, (remember that rumble wrote a letter that he said , zelena was that most powerful witch he ever meet  , even more powerful than cora ,) so he thinks ingrid is not more powerful than cora or zelena.

As i said open portals is more knowledge ,and about battles i am not talking about speed or cleverlt, put every mage in the show tries to use his magic power , put he dont , so i dont think he is so powerful as you say