Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-25926288-20170429134340/@comment-30644093-20170506101210

The Lord of Deathless wrote: Mr.Carvalho wrote: I personally think regina is more powerful than maleficent for the following reasons:

1) In the letter that Rumple wrote to Cora talking about Zelena and he says that she is the most powerful sorceress he has ever known even more powerful than cora, he says that Zelena was the only one he knew that surpasses cora (when he says "even more powerful than you") And this applies that she is more powerful than the maleficent (since rumple had already known her), and as cora = regina or regina> cora, it also implies that the regina is more powerful than maleficent

2) In the episode that the Queens of darkness join with snow and david to stop the curse, david suggests that they invade regina`s castle, but cruella speaks "if you were as smart as you are beautiful" meaning that they cant defeact regina, and maleficent doesnt Wanted to fight with regina as well as all the Queens of darkness,this indicates that she is more powerful than all of them

3) The fact that maleficent turns into a dragon means nothing, in regina magic level, she can defeat beasts like that with certain ease, otherwise maleficent would be stronger than cora and zelena if that was true, however ...

4) even advocating her unicorn  regina already defeated her with certain facility and rumple  believed that she became more powerful than  maleficent 1) Very good evidence!

2) This seemed extremely out of character for Mal to not want to just burn Regina's castle to the ground, I can see Ursula and Cruella being afraid of her but it just doesn't seem right for Mal to be scared of her - I will point out that the only real fight they had, Regina had every advantage and Mal every disadvantage (she was pregnant at the time, protecting the unicorn, went under a chandelier to protect it, and Regina was constantly on the offensive, Mal did not attack her at all) - that said I was disappointed that Mal didn't just heat her body up and burn through the chandelier, it makes her look weak.

3) Can I get a reminder when Regina defeated a giant monster? I can't think of an episode like that right now (she didn't beat Chernabog, she tricked him into crossing the line) plus she and Emma couldn't defeat the Male Dragon (although they weren't trying to kill him, just escape) so I don't see quite enough proof of them defeating Mal, although teaming up with Light Magic I bet they could easily stop her (and the Male Dragon too).

4) "Defeated her with certain facility?" Not quite sure what you mean by that. Plus when did Rumple say she was more powerful? (I know he never said it directly but he could have implied it)

All that said, I'm sure Regina could easily beat her with Light Magic (still wondering about the whole Dragon deal), but it seems very insulting to the character of Maleficent (the ultimate Disney Villain, she is 9/10 times at the top of the hierarchy and is the supreme darkness from Sleeping Beauty) to have the queen beat her like a weakling. It seems even sillier that the writers made the Wicked Witch of the West of all people (who in her movie was a very silly and humorous villain and got beat with water) stronger than the supreme Disney Villainess. Having Cruella make her take a dragon nap was just plain cruel (pun sort of intended) to Mal's character, like literally anyone could beat her - even in Descendants, she is actually taken seriously (even though she's funny) and is "the worst villain in the land. Well, first of all Cruella would be stomped if Mal would be thinking at the moment, but Cruella threathened her and she didn't think of anythink she does, soo...

1. I think what Rumple meant was that Zelena was more powerfull than Cora, not everyone he ever met.- even more powerfull than you- that was like- Your daughter is better than you- not the most powerfull in all the realms...And Regina as powerfull as Cora... She just isn't, she can't be,Zelena is better than Cora but Regina isn't, she needed like many, many years to get Snow's heart, while Cora came from Wonderland for a day and almost got it. Unless Henry would betray her, she would do what her daughter couldn't in like a decade.- that's partially because Regina wanted it to be her most perfect moment, not just puff smoke-heart ripp-death.

2. It doesn't mean she's more powerfull than them. Rumple didn't want Cora in town even when he was the Dark one, becase he knew she was dangerous. And so did Mal abot Regina- she was also pregnant soo yes.

3. Well she could defeat a dragon- hardly. But human Maleficent- not. Regina defeated Mal, but Mal was defeating her Unicorn, and maybe even her child. If Mal had the sleeping curse in the staff, instead the dark curse, Regina would never cast the curse, she would sleep for the rest of her days. And either Mal or Zelena would cast the curse some day- except for the part it must be Cora's daughter, soo Zelena would steal it from Mal, kill Regina in her sleep and cast the curse herself.

4. Rumple only needed Regina to cast the curse, he liked Zelena more anyway... but that didn't work out so he was forced to stay with Regina. And Mal defeated Regina with one single breath in season 4

The end- Mal is stroger than Regina. She would kill her if she wanted that.