Board Thread:Character Discussion/@comment-11058666-20150826195114/@comment-11058666-20150831013551

Um, no. You can have redemptive qualities and still be manipulative, pathetic, torture-happy, and be an idiot.

Also, I cannot understand for the life of me why people love Rumple in S4. Like, yeah, fully embracing your evil side as a villain can be cool, but it was not well-executed at all in this case. Rumple acted foolishly and fed his ego with his own stupid words, like "If it comes between me and other people, well, me always wins." That's not true. This is not Rumple. Rumple, as evil as he is, is still smart and has some morals. He actually cares more about Belle's safety than his own. I'm sure he would rather he died instead of her.

You know what, Rumple's dead as far as I'm concerned. He's been replaced with some moron who thinks he's the greatest. :P