Board Thread:Wiki-Related Discussion/@comment-5679696-20150929175709/@comment-2153169-20150930200748

So, basically, we're asked to impose something to the whole community to make the "job" of two persons easier? Because, yeah, that's exactly the discussion. To me, it does not sound too "community friendly" as we try to be. Sure, it cans help the image moderator. But, a lot of others persons did it before. I mean, that's not like we were the first users pn this wiki working on pics and wanting to do the galleries correctly.

So, I'm gonna re add why I think it is a bad idea:

To me, it is more about what is better for the image moderator or the community. Let me explain my point of view.

I think that the biggest majority of our users - including our most present ones or even me - do not know all dialogues from the episodes. So this format name would create a lot of problems for the users:
 * With the current policy, the name is supposed to describe the picture. When an user wants to find a pic in one our list, like a gallery, they will only find a list of dialogues from the episode, which would never help them to find easily the pic they want (unless they know perfectly the transcript of each episode?). When someone is trying to find a pic, especially a new user, they will want a description of the pic, they will have the idea of the scene in their heads, and they will try to find it. So, if the name is a description of the pic, it is gonna be easier. Not with dialogues.
 * Again, that's like we're asking our users to know perfectly every transcript. Like really.
 * Let's see it from another point of view :) Users are looking at a gallery. They notice a mistake, and they feel that they need to edit the gallery. Well, they go on edit mode with the list of our pics by their names. These names would be the dialogue with the new format, so it would be quite hard for them to edit on this page. If the name was just a description, they could identify immediatly where is the mistake they noticed, and they would fix it. But not, if they do not know the transcripts, well... They would have to open in another page the gallery - to see it in reading mode - just to fix a little mistake?

Again, that would not be a good way to edit these pages, not a good way to work, it would be hard for them. Just because they do not know the transcript or the dialogues? That's again the same problem: making the possibility to edit a simple gallery quite hard, just because we're forcing them to know dialogues from the episode.
 * With dialogues, we have a lot of confusing situations. And the best exemple is this one: http://onceuponatime.wikia.com/wiki/File:116PrinceJames.png The pic is clearly named "Prince James". All people, who do not know about the potential new name format, will never guess that it is a reference to the dialogue of the scene. When it'll see Prince James in the name of the pic, it will naturally think that the pic is of or related to Prince James; which is not the case at all. Yeah we see a bit of Charming, but seriously, that's nothing and not the main point of the pic. Clearly, this name for this pic is too confusing.
 * A lot of users already had problems with our image policies, especially because of the sources. This is a good thing, do not make me say what I did not said ^^ But, for a lot of people, it is already hard enough to upload pics. So now, we would also force them to check dialogues of their pic before the uploading? I find that quite discouraging, for a situation which could be quite easier. If we continue to have too many hard policies about the pic, well nobody except the "old" users will continue to upload. And worst, it could give the image that we are a too strict wiki, so it could create some fear to some new users.

So yeah, to me this discussion is a bit more about doing what is better for the image moderator or the community, especially our new users. And my opinion will go with the community: it is our job to make the wiki as easy as possible for everyone; not to make it full of policies that could affraid our users.

By the way, I do remember that before Lily, Nat was doing some galleries by herself. Yes, not full time but still, she did it by herself and she had no problem. I mean, even before her, all people who did these galleries never got a problem. Yeah, it could mean that it is a little harder for them, but if it makes the situation easier for the others users, should not it be a good reason?

Yeah, keeping descriptions as name for the images would make the situation much more easier for a lot of people. Much more that the number of people would have their situation easier with the dialogues as names. I'm not saying we should not allowed dialogues as names. But as the name format for all pics? Definitely no. Remember, most of the users do not know all dialogues or transcript of each episode.

Now I'm gonna complete come back at my first idea. The main point of our wiki is that we're trying to be a friendly community about OUAT. We're trying to do the best for all users, we're trying to include as many people as we can in our pages, our work, and everything. Images policies are already hard; so imposing people to do that format while they are currently able to do what they want... Well, this is against the message we're trying to send to our users and the possible new ones.

That's the main problem, and both sides will say it will be unfair. Doing something for our 2 users working on the galleries, or for our community, meaning the current users and the future ones. Well, I'm trying to adopt a fair point of view, so I think the best way to do is to do what we always did: choosing our community. So yeah, as we already imposing a lot of things about images, we really should at least the users to choose the name they want to give to their pics.

Moreover, from my personal point of view, I think that Lily is really good at her job; she proved it. I don't think she'll become a bad image moderator if we keep the current format :) She proved it: she is totally able to do it without dialogues as names ^^

So, why we should force a part of the community, creating a problem with this new format, while the current way is good for everyone? :)