Board Thread:Off-Topic Fun/@comment-4839682-20131031001247/@comment-11464223-20131031040700

Before I say anything, thank you and props for creating this discussion. Receiving criticism is never easy and opening up to it and to the possibility of facing ones' flaws is hard. Also, you're giving us an extremely fair opportunity to give you that criticism, despite the difficulties, which I at least, and I'm sure many others, also really appreciate.

Now, on to the discussion at hand, I can say a few things.

One, I feel that making edits as a non-staff-member and/or as someone who doesn't completely understand how to edit on wikis and such is completely pointless here, unless it's adding a comma where a comma is needed or a word or two, whatever. In short, any edits bigger than a couple words and/or a grammar fix feels completely pointless. It feels like you guys horde all the work to yourselves, and then at the same time sometimes complain about how much work you guys do. We try to help, I've seen many instances where someone tries to help, either by creating a new page that needs to be created, or adding images, or making edits, helping with the family trees, and then their edits immediately get undone only to get carbon copied by a staff member (sometimes the same one who undid them) within a few days.

I once created a page for Marilyn Manson which got deleted, and then recreated within a few days. I've seen someone get told not to work on family trees because they messed up the formatting on a complicated one, then successfully complete one of the simpler ones, only trying to help, and still a staff member undoes the work to hold up what was said before. Us trying to help the staff with the workload rarely gets appreciated and often gets shat on simply for not being the staff's work.

And to Utter: You're WAY too hard on people. The example I gave about family trees was based off of some posts I saw on your message wall thing, and there was a time, the only time, in fact, that I was in the chat (haven't gone in since because of this), at the beginning of an episode (I think it was the season 3 premiere), and I, out of excitement, manifested my thoughts in the chat because I had no one to say it to in person, and I said "SHH IT'S STARTING! :D" or something along those lines. You flat out called me rude. Then, I disagreed, and you called me rude for disagreeing. At that point I felt really bullied, and I just left, to enjoy the show on my own. I had wanted to participate in the chat because my friends were supposed to come over to see the premiere with me, but I got sick, so it was a bad idea and I ended up telling everyone not to come. Now, first of all, shushing people may have been a little rude, yes, I can see that, but it was only done out of excitement, and the intentions there were clear. It's not like I said "shut the fuck up" or even just "shut up", I was like, "SHHH, IT'S STARTING! :D". I think it'd be better if you had said something along the lines of "XD I know you're excited, but please don't shush people!" The way you said it alienated me from the group my first and only time in the chat, which played a big role in my leaving and not retunring since afterwards. The way I propose you should've said it avoids the alienation, and uses a much lighter tone for honestly, something that doesn't need anything more than a lighter tone. OH, and I don't expect you to have known the thing about my friends, but it just comes with not alienating people to think a teensy bit where they're coming from.

Also, again, you called me rude for disagreeing with you about whether or not I was rude. Defending oneself in any situation without insulting the other person isn't rude, and if you disagree with that, I don't think you should be admining a forum aha.

Now, I'm not trying to exaggerate that one instance into something huge, please don't take it that way, it was little, I just wanted to really sink my teeth into the one example I can really remember so you best understand what I'm talking about.

Killian: You are the one other staff that I feel I've familiarized myself with on a level beyond just "the overall staff". While it's still not much, from what I've seen, you don't even feel like a staff. I mean this in a good way. The way the staff feel here, the grip you guys have, feels a certain way, much of which is being described by me and the others. You don't feel like a part of the group that unnecessarily undoes our edits/doesn't appreciate our efforts to help/blah blah. You feel like a separate entity. I wouldn't have guessed you were staff if you weren't on this survey, simply because of how different you feel from the others. Props to you, keep it up, thank you.