Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-24589671-20141117031643/@comment-1916997-20141117222311

TheSamTrickster wrote: CoolDudeAl wrote: TheSamTrickster wrote: CoolDudeAl wrote: TheSamTrickster wrote: CoolDudeAl wrote: TheSamTrickster wrote: CoolDudeAl wrote: TheSamTrickster wrote: ChocolatEyes613 wrote: CoolDudeAl wrote: it gave us several new ones, the most important ones being: who is the sorcerer, why is he so powerful, and is he the person who wrote the story book. This episode heavily implied, that the Sorcerer is the author of Henry's book. No it didn't implied that, what it implied that the characters in the storybook all had choices in life, however, the only stories posted on the storybook are the one's made and the sequential event after that choice. That is why that paper appeared in robin hood's satchel, to show that regina has the power to alter her story and basically say that they are their own author and that villains do get happy ending simply by choosing the right option. The fact that The Sorcerer knew that Emma was going to be born before she was, and that she would be a match for Ingrid and Elsa, and then a book appears that knows everything about everybody, even when everyone except Regina has their memories gone, is where the implication occurs. Its funny, the seeres could see the future too, doens't make her possible author though. She knew before henry was born that he will be his undoing, that he will meet he son again, and that there will be a savior. The Seer's sight was imperfect however, whereas The Sorcerer appears to see everything, including every possibility, in perfect detail. You assumed that he is all knowing, hence, he is the author, but I assume the sorcerer is powerful yes, can see the future yes, but not all-knowing no. Perhaps stronger magic than the seer,that enables him to see future clearly. The reason you keep saying all-knowing is because you want to reinforce your idea that he is the author. There was no implication of that in this episode whatsoever. What would be his point showing regina that she can have a happy ending. That will never make sense to me, its either if he is good, he should have been helping defending people from evil things that happens in the fairy tale land, or if he is bad, he should have made everyone else's lives miserable.It is also contradicting that he see everything in detail, as I can remeber Regina said whatever happened  in the book seems  to be immutablem meaning unchanging overtime, but regina seems to have changed already which doesn't support that all knowing theory that can see the future in perfect detail. Well, yes, it's all speculation, but I don't think it's fair to say they we're not implicating he was the author at all. And remember, foreshadowing is a storytelling technique, so to ignore possible foreshadowing is just, as Hook would say, bad form. I'm not saying I'm right in my speculation, but I'm not saying you are either, for all we know we could both be misreading this, and Maleficent or the Blue Fairy could be the book's author. I don't really see any foreshadowing of an author, I feel like it has been resolved in this episode. Snow told Regina that she was bad in the past but she can achieve happipness if she believe it and make the right choices, she highligthed to regina that what happened to her was because of the choices she has made ,and I am gonna say this again, regina said the book was immutable, so if the sorcerer has writtened her off as a villain, she should not be able to have the "alternate" story just popped out of nowhere and she should have not even have any form of happy ending, which she fortunately has now. For one thing though if there is an author, Rumple seems more of the author as he orchestrated almost majority of what has happened in the show so far and had something to do with everyone. And in regards to not having the ability of having to control the future, you said he is only all-knowing, then tell me this, why on earth would you be all knowing and all powerful and seeing the future and not change it. With all his power in the world, why can't he prevent his hat from being stolen, if you think about it, if you are all knowing, able to see the future in perfect detail, and you are also all powerful, that is basically having the ability to control everything. you see something you don't want to happen then change it. '''Simple. Everything that has happened is what he wants to have happened. He wants his hat to get stolen, because in the grand scheme of things he wants, he needs the hat to get stolen.''' '''The Grand scheme of things he wants the hat to be stolen? '''Extremely illogical, so he wanted his hat to be stolen by rumple, then taken by Anna, then SQ then Rumple again so that rumple could trap his apprentice and if event permits, cleave his connection from the dagger and lose his weakness. I would like to point out that the book started with snow white's and prince charming's story and everything that occured, and I mean everything, in storybrooke and in the past, were all because of Rumple's plan. Rumple had always been anticipating the future and thus had the most influence with the outcome of everything. And this bolded text right up here still doesn't answer the fact that why would he wanted it stolen, the apprentice said that many dark ones tried to steal it and failed, so if he '''Simply wanted it to get stolen, he should have let it happen when the first dark one tried to steal it in the first place. Another thing, Its been said that rumple is often use as a way to tell the character's stories, that makes it more likely that rumple is the author over the sorcerer, again, if there is indeed an author. ''' I should have clarified: He needs the hat to get stolen in the exact way we saw it get stolen. Not just he needed it stolen. Everything Rumple was manipulating, the Sorcerer knew, and didn't care, therefore it was all what the Sorcerer wanted. Obviously, the Sorcerer's end game needed all the EF people to be in the LWM or something similar. I don't know exactly, but as you said, the Sorcerer wouldn't let things happen that he didn't want to happen, so the assumption has to be, everything is going how he wants.