Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-11464223-20131118032545/@comment-4393153-20131119042528

Rafadeq wrote: LarytheCucumber wrote:

It doesn't make sense to me. First, "you are unloved" then, "I never forgot about you"; "Leave" to "Stay".... I'm so confused.

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I just can't connect Peter and Malcolm as one in the same. Yes! That's precisely my problem with the whole situation.

Some poeple said Pan had 300 years to stew in Neverland. But he met Rumple way before that, when he was "disguised" as Piper. And he had already changed into what Pan is today. By that time, he already wanted to hurt Rumple, to make him feel bad. Rumple must have been what? 40-something at that time? Granted, one can do a lot of thinking and changing in give or take 40 years, but I still don't think it's enough time to turn a loser like Malcolm into a demon like Pan.

I think (and sincerely hope) the writers will explain how that drastic change occured in such a short period of time. And also why! Pan needed to distance himself from Rumple if he wanted to stay young, all right, but why hurt and taunt him like he did/does? My opinion is that he knows that Rumple can kill him, so he's trying to stop him, however an outright fight would have risked Peter's death, so instead he's psychologically torturing Rumple, so that Rumple will feel inferior. I also think that this was part of his saying that he never forgot Rumple. While Malcolm may have indeed taken the name Peter Pan due to some feeling of nostalgia, he ultimatley doesn't care for him. I think he just wanted Rumple on his side because together they'd be undefeatable. He wants another underling, not a son.

And with regards to them 'destroying Pan' I never read the original, but from what I heard, Pan wasn't exactly a good guy. Also, every villanious character got an upgrade, look at Regina/The Evil Queen (does anyone else note the irony that the only spell The Evil Queen needed help with was shapeshifting)

I loved the episodes. I like the spinners, I hope we find out more about them. How'd they get the bean, why did the  nonchalantly give it to Rumple, how long were they living together that they could finish each other's sentences, and where were they during Rumple's adult life