Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-6739926-20150118083555/@comment-26211408-20150318194047

Kingfan22 wrote: I disagree with you on the weapon thing. It is a big difference between using your surroundings vs. having a weapon.

I also disagree with you about zelena's magic. I don't think her pendant should be viewed as a weapon because it makes her magic stronger. the pendant is not designed to hurt anyone and not being magically used to hurt anyone so how does it count as a weapon? if however the op decided that the pendant was a magical weapon, we could just use the zelena from before she had the pendant and Zelena would still be the most powerful person in this fight because before zelena had the pendant she was the most powerful sorceress rumple had ever seen including Ingrid. The argument you bring up, I get what you're going at, but I disagree on the 'surroundings vs weapons' bit. The mirror itself is a tool, and depending on how you define mirrors, it's not a surrounding, or something that would generally be in your surroundings. Unless you think of a mirror as any reflective surface, a mirror is not generally a common surrounding. I mean, a mirror CAN be a surrounding, I'm not saying it isn't, but the way you're saying it isn't transferable. Okay, so the dictionary says that a mirror is any reflective surface, but the way people enterpret things is different to everyone. Some people only consider the glass, metal framed mirrors we have today as mirrors, while someone in the ice ages might only consider pure ice as a mirror.

Also, with the 'weapons' part; think of it like this: The pendant is a tool. I'm going to be using a hammar as an example for this.

A hammar is a tool. When you swing it, the kinetic energy from your arm(s) is transfered through the hammar, and it ends up on whatever the hammar lands on. Now think of the mirror. The mirror is a tool. When you shoot fire into it, the magic from the fireball is transfered through the mirror, and it ends up on whatever the hammar lands on. Just like the pendant. The pendant is a tool. When you use magic, the magic is transfered through the pendant, and onto whatever it's being used on.

Again about the 'weapon' issue, and I'm going to use the hammar this time as well.

A hammar is a tool. You can use it for hammering in nails, removing nails, starting fires (the wooden handle and metal head), doing tricks with (though I don't see why you would), or any other number of things. But you can also use it for smashing things, like say a metal pole, which it would probably bend. Could you punch that same metal pole and expect it to break? No, you'd probably break a bunch of bones and receive a large medical bill. Are hammars supposed to be used as weapons? No, they're supposed to be tools used for hammaring in nails. But was it used as a weapon in that case, as all tools have the potential to become (Object>Tool>Weapon).

Now look at the pendant. What is its purpose? As Glinda said, it's for amplifying, growing, and storing (all aids) Zelena's magic. Just like you put your energy into the hammar to do those actions, Zelena puts magic through her pendant to do her actions. She can bless, enchant, curse, whatever she wants to do with her magic through the pendant. Just like how you can save a life, build a bridge, or end someone's life by putting your energy into a hammar. Are they supposed to be used as weapons? No, but are they being used as weapons when they're being used for harm? Yeah, they really are.

I wont argue with you about using Zelena before the pendant, that was bad forethought on my part. I never really considered the time placement before and after Zelena got her pendant, and always assumed she and Gold met before he met Ingrid (do you know where I can find an official timeline anywhere?), so that was my bad, sorry. I could be 'the lawyer' and say that Ingrid never considered herself a witch, but that would be going a bit too far. Other then that, I have no complaints.

Zelena IS (hopefully) probably the strongest witch there was, and I'm exited to see her again this season though. She, even before the pendant would still tip the scales in Team Cora's favor. If we let her be without her pendant, then yeah, Team Cora would probably win. :)