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Late but only just watched it in full.

Great casting for young Ruth.

Baby David is absolutely adorable (looks kind of like an anime character).

Out of sheer curiosity, I wonder what would have happened if a guard had seen little David and mistaken him for James.

Haha, demon box.

Though I knew the engagement was coming the sight of the ring still made me all happy and gave me the warm fuzzies inside.

Okay so Snow woke up twice in this episode and both times were so she could talk to Regina. Did she spend any time with Emma?

I don't know how I feel about Zelena saying that Robin has no rights to his child (I know she didn't rape this version of Robin but still it kind of rubs me the wrong way)

I like evil!Robin (and can we take a moment to acknowledge that this is probably the most acting Sean has ever done on this show?)

1. Did Regina really refer to the innocent people whose hearts she ripped out as "her enemies"? 2 Why hasn't she given these poor people their hearts back? Until hse does that the writers can not say she is 'redeemed' in any shape or form.

I love that this episode showed that Emma likes to take Henry out for fun trips. I'd have liked to see the canoe trip as well but whatevs.

Also Emma is so happy that I may explode.

Scenes like these-with Killian and Emma outside their house- are what I love. Scenes that show the domestic, playful side of CS where they just act like a  normal couple and we see their everyday lives.

I love how Killian didn't even have to turn but did anyway.

I'm guessing the 'dealings' PI had with NL was recruiting kids for Pan, which is all forms of terrifyingly disturbing.

Colin and Josh work so brilliantly together. Their chemistry is amazing

Much like the movie version, I find this version of Pleasure Island terrifiying and it will probably give me nightmares.

I love the throwback to the original Snow White film with little James' outfit.

Also I'm not sure "I'm your father too" is the best thing to say to a scared little kid Robert but ok.

Damn, Josh's performance is amazing here. I mean, he just blew me away. He doesn't get to do it often, but when he does get a relevant scene Josh absolutely steals the show.

And now onto the negativity.

I hate this twist with a passion. There is 0 need for Killian to be Robert's killer except for convuluted drama they don't have the time to write properly. And it was so OOC for Killian, who in his villainy had a code; he only killed people to either further his revenge, in self defense or to assert his authority. He wasn't a mindless killing machiene (until now that is). ANd he has now directly harmed the Charmings.

Honestly this episode was so strong and that last scene ruined it. We could have had the proposal, had actual relationship development and it would have been amazing Insstead we have a mess. Now David can't look at Killian without seeing the man who killed his father. Emma's grandfather. I hate this so much.

Although this was pointe out to me and it is interesting; the parallel between Hook and Regina. The writers were hitting us over the head with the message that Killian had changed to the point where he was a moral compass for Prince Charming of all people. Then in the same episode, you had Regina admit she still keeps innocent people's hearts in her vault and refers to her victims as her 'enemies'. There was a clear parallel between who has changed (Hook) and who hasn't.

Also Killian must have some sort of photographic memory to be able to remember Robert's face, a man he talked to for a minute and a half on a dark night. And one drawing triggered him remembering (if we take it that the last flashback is Killian's memory) that whole scene. I mean that shows how remorseful he is and how small his body count must be if he can remember their faces so clearly.

For the most part it was a strong episode (Captain Charming amd Emma mainly) until that unnecessary twist not only ruined the episode but kicked three seasons of established characterisation in the stomach.