Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-25617908-20151229021726/@comment-26159109-20151229050223

CoolDudeAl wrote: Farerb wrote: CoolDudeAl wrote: Farerb wrote: You're taking about plot holes caused by retcons. Retcons can happen and still not contradict something we learned in the past like Regina knowing about Emma in 309. Well if it doesn't cause any problems to the plot, it's not really a retcon then, it's just they added new plot. Otherwise your saying everything that is serialized constantly has retcons. From wikipedia: "Retroactive continuity, or retco for short, is alteration of previously established facts in the continuity of a fictional work."

There is nothing about plot holes. When Lumiere made that statement about the first dark one, the viewers have no reason to think he's lying until they showed what happened with the first dark one, which can be reasoned with him lying or being misinformed. The fact remains that viewers thought one thing until the writers said another, which doesn't necessarily creates a plot hole or an inconcistency, but it is still a retcon nonetheless. That's the problem though, just because random character #473 says something, does not mean it is an established fact. The only factual conclusion we can draw from what Lumiere said, is that Lumiere is saying things about the origin of the Dark One. We should not take anything he says as fact, especiallly when it is established two minutes later that he is in fact working for Zelena, who only cares about bringing Rumple back. A retcon is something that is truly established, and then changed later. So if we had a flashback showing the origin of the Dark One, and then later they showed something else, that would be a retcon. Heresay from a random character does not make anything he says an established fact. Yeah, I'm sure you just told yourself that is one lying sob. Especially whem moments later we actually see Rumple coming out of the vault. A lot of characters are just liers on that show like Cora, The Apprentice, the Blue Fairy and Snow White. We should just not believe any piece of information we hear even if it comes from August after that weird potion Rumple had and his nose doesn't grow.