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KnocknickKnock wrote: VulonNight wrote: Mkay so in regards to how Regina has some similar feats to Emma, I have some stuff to point out. Your list was the following:

-Stopping Cora from ripping her heart out.

Regina doesn't actually have a similar feat here. Yes, she's done anti-heart rip spells, but she can't stop it once someone's actually got their hand in someone's chest. Preventative measures are one thing, that's just a form of protection spell. Stopping it in the moment is an entirely different feat and it's more powerful because if any sorcerer can stop having their heart ripped in the moment then we wouldn't really need preventative spells now would we?

-Looking across realms.

Regina actually said she can't do this. With her words. Directly to Emma, after seeing how much power she has. Words>actions on consistency, Regina's words say she's less powerful than Emma. Case closed.

-Shoe locating spell on Cinderella.

It's a locator spell. Locator spells are level 1 easy, of course Regina can also do it. Not really a power indicator.

-Healing

Healing spells are also common and probably easy. The way I see it, logically undoing damage should be a low level feat since you aren't really fundamentally altering anything.

-Pushing Ingid Snow monster away with a light blast.

Yes, this is a case of Regina beating Emma- but it isn't a power thing per se imo. Light magic's main offensive go-to is a concussive blast, which is physical force damage. Dark magic's main offensive go-to is a fireball. That's burning damage. When the enemy is basically an ice elemental, what's more effective? Knocking it back or melting it with fire? The logical solution to ice monsters is to melt it, am I right? Thus, this was simply a magic compatibility thing.

-Stopping Black from destroying her heart.

Um, what? Why are we not talking more about this? This feat is in-freakin-sane! Black had Emma's heart in her hand, which means she should have had total power over her because that's the whole point of the spell. When you take someone's heart, you can control them or you can crush it and kill them. That's how it works. But Black couldn't crush it, it actually burned her and made her drop it instead! And Emma didn't even activate anything, it happened automatically! Nobody can do that, it shouldn't be possible- but it is, cuz Emma's the freakin Savior!

-Her light blast in the police station when mad.

Ok so she lost control and threw some magic. Her concussive blasts are basically her equivalent of fireballs, the level 0 most basic Dark magic spell. It has no bearing.

If I haven't proved my point yet, here's one last thing: Even excluding how you marked anti-heart rip as a similar feat for Regina even though imo it really isn't, the two feats you said had no Regina equivalent are the two that are the craziest. One of them Regina explicitly said she couldn't do, for god's sake! There's no Regina equivalent for them because she can't do them but Emma can. You're proving my point for me! If you want to keep arguing about how Regina can use the strongest light magic and thus is equal to Emma in potential, I can tell you right now that A) as I've said, being able to use a pure True Love light magic spell through conscious casting once ever with significant effort and pressure to do so doesn't equate to having all your magic default to pure True Love light magic and being the literal Savior, and B) the only reason Regina has done so much study and research is because she's maxed out her potential to wing it and just make it happen. She has done so much research because she can't brute force most things with her power level so she needs to have tricks up her sleeve. Her research is a direct product of her low power level, and given her well-known reputation for an emotional and impulsive temperament (quoting Lana herself here, "the Evil Queen just reacts") do you really think she would have done such intense research otherwise? The Evil Queen likes brute force and is well known to use brute force all the way up to her limit, so if she's researching that means her limit has been hit. Enough said.

The reason Black couldn't crush Emma heart is because of the Song Blue put in her. It had nothing to do with her own magic. This is the same magic that stopped Regina from burning Snow and Charming to a crisp. Did you even watch the episode?

Also Magic takes time to study. Emma could barely light a candle when she first started out so please stop. She didn't start doiing the light blast until Regina started training her. Her pushing Cora back bia light blast is the same as Regina pushing Cora back via telekinesis while being restrained by Cora magic. Even after training from Regina she barely conjured enough light magic to burn Zeleena while Regina first time using Light magic pushed Zeleena back and stunned her. This is while Regina was restrained.

So no Emma doesn't have enough raw power to do whatever she wants. She couldn't break Zeleena or the Evil Queen spell. She couldn't destroy Hyde or The Evil Queen with her light magic. She couldn't break the Evil Queen curse on Snow and Charming. She couldn't create a portal to Hook with her own magic. She couldn't defeat Blacks Spider pet. I can go on and on.

Emma stills needs the knowledge and training to do stuff as her light blast proven on countless occassions aren't powerfulo enough to take out anyone worth while. Hell Zeleena telekinesis was more effective against Regina than Emma's light blast.

Also regina doesn't have low level magic. Rumple himself said was Regina was so powerful all she has to do is just let herself be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v81riFhfXMo&t=2s

Then there was Glinda who confirmed that only someone with the strongest light magic can take the necklace from Zeleena.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tBOL13bSLA

Also that note in season 3 that Regina thought was about Zeleena was about Regina confirmed by Rumple.

He calls Regina his greatest Student.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCee-d-lkuY "Emma could barely light a candle", ''what? ''Emma began to actively practice magic at 3x17, and way way more powerful than trainee Regina in 4x14.

No one could destroy a doppëlganger, aside from Hrunting. This showcases no lack of power on Emma's part. And yes, Emma can't do a lot of things others can, but that's becasue she has the least ''instruction. ''She's extremely unskilled, but that says nothing on power.

Yeah, Emma's an ineffective magic user because she lacks study. That's something we can all agree on. BUt this post is about her raw power.

Glinda is an unreliable narrator.

Rumpel never spoke of who wrote the letter

The "greatest student" line was about compliance. Cora betrayed him, Zelena ghosted him, Trish died. Regina was the one that stuck around, that was most loyal and most dedicated. It still says nothing about her raw power.