Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-4519633-20141022032431/@comment-24264679-20161024234741

Eskaver wrote: I'll agree, but that's mostly a discussion about how magic just works because of the plot. (For example, the spell that Rumple didn't go through in 4B that Reigna put up never resurfaced again. Rumple also didn't try to break it.)

Power is the name of the game, with all else equal. The show does have instances where power isn't enough, but knowledge doesn't always trump power.

I'll give a recent example.

Aladdin broke Jafar's spell and Staff by taking a page from Emma's books (aka shoot dem lasers). Jafar studied magic for years, had an assortment of spells, potions, knowledge, but Aladdin made short work of him and it was his first day. Even the non-Rumple examples you gave are iffy.

BW didn't cast the spell on the library. It was stated that Hades put the spell to trap them there. (I know, I know, they never showed it, but they said it quite a few times.)

Pan failing to get through Regina's potection spell makes no sense as Pan was sure he would get through Zelena's protection spell and she's at least a little better and stronger as a caster.

Emma was said to be the most powerful DO ever and Merlin said that Emma had the power to kill him, etc.

Zelena tethered Merlin, but Merlin was able to fight it, unlike the Dark Ones who never fought off Merlin's tethering spell.

It was never stated Zeleena put the same protection spell on her heart as Regina put on  Henry's. Although if you try to argue they did then that would mean that Regina has more raw power than Zeleena without her light magic.

Aladdin destroying Jafar staff and hour glass means nothing as nothing indicates those things were durable. Someone could have picked up a sword and smashed it and the same thing would have happened. Regina destroy Maleficents staff by simply smashing it on the ground with minimum effort. Charming sword block a fire ball from Cora doesn't mean anything. That doesn't mean Aladdin had more raw power or that he was stronger. There was no fight as Jafar didn't even try to counter with anything. There is no way to know who would win in a fight as neither battled against each other. Jafar accepted it and puffed away.

Also Merlin explicitly said Emma couldn't defeat him. They even battled and he easily defeated Emma. Also the Blind witch did cast the spell on the library. Hades gave The BW the spell but she was the one who cast it not Hades. Regina even said this.

Your facts has been pretty messed up. Also Rumple is powerful because of the knowledged he aqcuried which is his greatest strength. Ergo when Zeleena was casting her spell she needed a form of his brain. Not to mention Rumple couldn't do 99% of the stuff he can do now without having the knowledged. It was the chalk combined with Emma's magic that created the barrier. Without the chalk Emma wouldn't have been able to create the barrier.

Zeleena even says she is stronger than Regina because Rumple taught her everything Regina knew but she was the better student. It had nothign to do with her being born with more raw power.

Emma needed assistance or a magical tool to help her do most of her stuff. Saying Emma is stronger than Cora because she stopped Cora from stealing her heart means nothing when around that time Regina barely able to use her magic was tossing Emma accross her front yard.

From what people are trying to say about raw power being important than Knowledge than that would mean Regina had a similar level of raw power to dark swan because with a finger snapped she broke her spell on Sneezy. By most of people logic on her.