Board Thread:Wiki-Related Discussion/@comment-5679696-20160822181638/@comment-1916997-20160823043508

Utter solitude wrote:

CoolDudeAl wrote: Here's my take, and what no one seems to be sharing with the Wikia staff member (at least on here):

Up until several weeks ago, we had 5 admins: Utter solitude, Applegirl, Nightlily, Killian Jones, and Lady Junky. Then 3 of the admins (Apple, Utter, and Night) decided they wanted to demote Lady for being rude. Killian disagreed. Obviously 3 beats 1 and Lady was demoted. I pointed out that while Lady could be a bit harsh with users sometimes, she was also the one who did the most editing and answered the most users questions. Now Killian is being blocked for asking people if he thinks he should be promoted. Again Killian does quite a bit for the wiki, and interacts a lot with the users. I just don't understand what is going on. For the record, I don't dislike Utter, Night, Killian, or Lady. I have had very little to no communication with Apple, as she rarely is on the forums or chat, so I don't have an opinion on her. I also agree with Choc, that all the users shouldn't be hearing about all these "behind closed doors meetings" between the admins, where rude things were or were not said. I think maybe we should relook at the policies on how we decide things, because it seems the admins are split in two groups that are not getting along, so maybe if we just let the community decide more things, we wouldn't have to worry about infighting between the admins. Let me give you my take on all this, so hopefully there's more clarity.

Lady was warned in the past for her bad attitude and interactions with others. She was told further such behavior would result in a block (which means a demotion as well). Yes, Killian disagreed with that, as is his right. Frankly, Lady wasn't "doing all the work" in quite those words.... she was just always first to update XD she is very, very good at what she does as far as editing goes. However, there's more to being an admin than that, and I think you understand that.

The admins were using facebook chats to commuicate, as wikia chat is imperfect and fb is convenient (and a good lot of our discussion is unrelated to wikia). I wouldn't call them "backdoor" anything, although I can see how it can cause problems. I think we'll be exploring better ways to communicate from here on out.

That said, the issues with Killian are very recent, and imo, are a result of his temper and attitude. the admins don't always agree, but it's never been an issue.

Finally, perhaps we can explore new ways of doing things. I want the community to know what's going on, and feel comfortable sharing here. Yeah, I definitly feel like part of this problem, and why so many people are on Killian's side, is because it seems like you quietly took out Lady, and are now gunning for Killian. Both of these things were decided between the admins alone, and there was never any kind of official statement issued on what was going on from the admins. I think demoting an admin is a big deal, and the community should have gotten to share their thoughts about it first. Instead it feels like you guys have complete control, and that we all had to find out what happened by spreading rumors in the chat when the admins weren't around. I don't think you were trying to intentionally do that, but I hope you can see how from a normal user that is not in all these FB discussions, that is what we would feel.