Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-4519633-20141022032431/@comment-25926288-20161218010517

In response to all,

1. Ursula's issues is her feats don't match her statements. Ursula says she can control all the seas, but we never saw it. Maleficent never is stated to be more powerful than her. Maleficent said that she was more useful and resourceful than Cruella and Ursula. Cruella and Ursula were just Rumple's pawns to get into town, afterwards he really didn't need them once he had Maleficent. IT wasn't about power, but manipulation and Maleficent can actually handle herself in manipulationg people (while Cruella and Ursula probably would try crude, basic ways). We see this when August is interrogated. Cruella and Ursula have no clue how to manipulate and torture effectively.

2. I place the Apprentice high simply due to slightly inconsistent feats. He used magic in a world without known magic. He "opened" a portal to LWM without using the wand (the wand came in 4B, while he was in 4A.) Of course, Apprentice is weaker than Zoso. I clearly put him below Dark Ones. He never used magic in those situations because that's the kind of person he is. He doesn't use magic to fight. It's a last resort sort of thing. I mean, Regina tackled Hades, when she could have safely use telekinesis or something else. Doesn't mean that she is stronger than him or anything at all.

3. The Dragon as well as the Apprentice have great magic knowledge that probably rivals Rumple's. At least the Apprentice is older than Rumple and trained by someone who knew more than Rumple. The Dragon might be low on the feats, but until some more definite stuff he'll be as is. Regina ripping out his heart shows that he's a slow caster than anything else. If he was weak and useless compared to Regina than Regina/EQ would have killed him.

4. I put Black Fairy above most the same reason you downgrade the Dragon. I'll put him below Regina and Zelena, but Black Fairy just physically attacked the Dark One and got away with it. She's the most powerful faairy and she exists in realms of dark magic that Rumple cannot reach. She says squid ink wouldn't hold her long, hinting at her power. At the very least, she trained Gideon, who just stomped the EQ. If Gideon is above EQ, then Black Fairy probably is too. It's just speculation. Once she shows again, she'll probably be just above Regina and Zelena, but she'd still be above them.

5. Why is Blue so high? It's because she has subtle feats. She never tries to help, but when she does effectively, then it's great. Blue only failed when it was compared to Rumple's magic which noone else seems to break. Blue actually stopped EQ before and she stopped EQ in the Wish Realm too. She doesn't try to actively engage in battle. Blue has great magic knowledge and she clearly threatened Zelena, so she must be decently strong if she thought she had a chance.

You can't use certain plot elements and claim they are weak. Hook trapped Blue in the hat. As far as we know, you can't do anything but get trapped in the hat. The Apprentice was trapped. Emma and Ingrid would have been trapped. The Chernabog was trapped. I'm sure Rumple could easily be trapped. Blue has never teleported, so it's not like she could do anything.

Next, all magic battles and small moments are with speed or catching someone offguard. Regina caught a spell Blue casted. Okay. Nothing to it. Blue could free the Apprentice when Regina "couldn't". So, it's clear that if noone's trying to do things quickly, Blue does things that Regina cannot do.

So, a small restatement is Blue has tassled with Regina, sometimes Blue winning, sometimes Regina winning. And Blue is weaker than Rumple. I mean that;s pretty much Regina, Zelena, or Emma in a nutshell.