Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-4519633-20141022032431/@comment-25926288-20160417144943

MyPretties wrote: Eskaver wrote: Tcweh wrote:

Eskaver wrote: Many hilarious things on this thread.

1. Hook killed a powerless Merlin, so that doesn't count for anything.

2. Power, speed, knowledge and versatility and even ability are very important to consider and I agree with that. However we run into the issue that some are a mixture of things. And this is the best that we can discuss and make many different lists for. (I'll do in my next post).

3. Rumple/ Pan, it's a game of feats and Pan sorely lacks them. That's the issue with that. Rumple isn't much better in feats, but he has the quality that Pan does not. Pan has displayed impressive feats though. Apart from beating Runple twice, he was also durable enough to shrug off Runples sleeping spell that affected the rest of the lost boys.

Again, not convinced Runple was stronger. Tell me what feat Pan has. He doesn't do anything superior to anyone really. Magically resistant, maybe, but nothing much more. Pan never beat Rumple. He tricked Rumple and then he tossed a powerless Rumple. I mean Rumple ended up killing Pan with little to no resistance.

Pan might have even had greater base power, but he surely didn't know how to effectively use it. The reason that Pan was able to beat Rumple is because his strategies were better than Rumple's. While in Neverland, Rumple constantly allowed his emotions to cloud his judgement. Also, Pan was able to use Neverland itself to his advantage, he knew the realms secrets better than anyone. Pan, using his skills from being a conman, was able to beat Rumple with ease, because he was able to play on Rumple's emotional weaknesses.

Yeah, that too, but if we rank overall on a tier list: Rumple would probably top Pan because feat-wise: Pan did nothing too special besides resist a sleeping spell and use telekinesis and teleportation and the shadow rip.

Magic on the show is sort of vaguely defined at times too as we see that Zelena could easily disintegrate people yet, somehow she couldn't kill Dorothy, lol.