Board Thread:Character Discussion/@comment-26346951-20150427084633/@comment-25926288-20150608005755

Once19 wrote: I personally liked him better when he was a villain. I mean he wasn't the greatest villain ever because he didn't have magic, which, in this show is a major disadvantage. He also seemed more clever as a villain, though, in my opinion he was always more brawn than brains (not that he was stupid, just not as smart as the other villains). One of the reasons I like this show so much is because the villains (try to) use cleverness or trickery rather than brute strength. At this point, I want to roll my eyes because of his constant "I am so amazingly hot!" attitude. What gets me most is his "I am a survivor." It makes me laugh so hard. Every time he's said it, he only survives because some one else saved him or fixed things, so not sure if that counts. He just seems to be along from the ride whenever they do stuff. Not that I have a problem with the actor, he's very good at playing the part. The character just annoys me. He likes himself way way wayyyy to much. Okay that part of the rant is over.

My main problem, sorry, everyone will hate me for this, is just that I find his automatic change to the "Good Side" ridiculous. It wasn't gradual like Regina's change was (still not exactly realisticly gradual but more so). He just decided he was in love with Emma and would be good to impress her. He just doesn't seem to be good for the sake of being good, he just does it for Emma. I'd like to see what would happen if she died. Just like in season 3b, in the Enchanted Forest, he went back to being a pirate, albeit his heart wasn't in it. He plundered from people, and he didn't help Ariel the way he should have. Yes, yes, I know he felt guilty, but he still did it. Because of his "oh so pretty, pretty face" he gets instantaneous forgiveness from just about everyone. They just forgot all the times he tried to kill them. (Again, yes, I know it was pretty much the same with Regina and maybe Gold but not to the same extent.)

I'm great with him trading his ship for Emma, but they belittled the sacrifice by getting it back for him. However once more, he didn't do it to be good or save everyone, he did it to get to Emma.

Truthfully I wish Emma would stay single. Honestly, I wish that for a little while the female characters would be single. They don't need to make it seems like all the female characters need a man to be happy. Sorry off topic.....

Anyway, yes, Hook is kind of handsome, sort of I guess, not my type, but he must be because of all the people that think he is... It just doesn't make me like him. The character's attitude just offsets this for me.

(Please don't kill me, all you Hook lovers!) ;) I couldn't agree more! SInce this is a Hook thread and not a Regina or Rumple thread, I'll keep there stuff to a minimum, but they are starting to do that a bit with Regina. Some call it "whitewashing", which is ironically what happened to Rumple's heart. Regina is at fault for this as well, but most of it is because it isn't organic. Regina goes extreme, while Hook goes mild, but both do actions that aren't responded to with realistic character. No one reacts like people and they just toss words like "hero" and "villain" around. Key example: Rumple and Regina were planning to do the same exact things prior to "Heart of Gold". Both were planning to use the Author to write their happy endings. Both were going to remove others from their happy endings (Regina would have removed Marian from her husband and child, Rumple ....well, we saw what he did.) and the only reason Regina didn't go through with it was she got what she wanted! If Rumple got what he wanted, I'm sure he wouldn't do bad.......

This is what they do to Hook, Regina and now Rumple (in that order). I totally expect Belle to run back to him with little self-respect and he gets her and a child without earning it whatsoever. This is what happens with Hook and Regina. They get what they want and now are "good", "heroes", or "redeemed".

Hook being the non-magic and realistic version of Regina (Regina is the magical and over the top), Both are quite narcissitic, but I would almost say neither of their backstory warrants such narcissism.

The simple fact is that the writers (or showrunners) want their cake and eat it too. Hook is pretty much random romantic hero and pirate. Regina is that struggling borderline (and backsliding still!) person. Rumple is the most self-aware and owns up to it!

To close out my post, if Christopher Walken or Liam Neeson played Hook, I'm sure shippers would walk the plank and the character would be seen for what he truly is. Same with Regina. And if reverse for Rumple, I'm sure people would see no sins. Just like Twilight's Edward: Pretty face, but not a good person or relationship whatsoever. (NO DISCUSSING TWILIGHT!)