Board Thread:Spoilers!/@comment-4877635-20150304180627/@comment-26151936-20150307151817

Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: BroKarl wrote: Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: We're assuming it's about Cora and her daughters... but... We've never met Cora's mother. Cora is about 50 or 60, as we're supposed to believe Rose McGowan plays her in her 20's (she's gorgeous, but she doesn't look a day under 32.) and Regina is about 38. So if Cora is, let's say, 58, then theoretically her mother could still be alive, presumably at around the age of 74 (remember, 18 years old made you a spinster in those days, most girls were married off by 12. So having Cora at 16 is a fair midpoint). Or we could even say this is a flashback between Cora and her mother while Regina was still young, so Cora would be about 48 and her mother 64.

Or maybe I'm overthinking it and it's just about Cora. But I think it's going to go deeper.

Ed - I dont think you are overthinking it at all. On the age thing you are where I am. However I'm probably going in a little different direction with this than some of the other folks on the board.

I've had this thought for a couple days now. My thought is that  the "Mother" we're talking about will be  Coras mother and that Coras mother will be the author. I shared this on another board, that one of the most popular writers of fairy tales and hundreds of nursery rhyms is the very famous Mother Goose. In history there has always been a mystery around who she really was. Her writings surfaced over a period of 200 years and of course we all know whoever it was she didnt live that long. She had become such an iconic character that fantasy stories were even written about her.

If she is about 64  or as olsdas  74, like you said that would be a perefect age to have a grandmother in a starring role in the story. Shes probably a friend of Grannys. I don't know what the "Mother" episode will reveal  but I'd love to hear a fatnasy story about the mother and wriiter of so many  classic tales. What I think would really be nice is if this "Mother"  possibly grandmother somehow was the mother of them all

One thing I noticed about this show is that they dont seem to shy away at all about having much older women play much younger characters. When Snow was 10 although Regina truly looked  much older, I'm pretty sure at that time she was playing the part of a 15,16 year old (because if I remember shewas wearing pigtails, not somthing a 20 year would probably do) So that woould put Cora around in her 40's and like yiou said her mother would be in her 60's

On another note: Am I just imagining things or wasn't there a Hansel and Gretal episode where Regina sent Hansel and Gretal to get something from someone she called her sister? Snow was 10, Regina was confirmed 18 by Lana herself. Cora was probably 40 (I personally thought Barbara Hershey was like 48 until I found out she was 60!). I like the theory that Cora's mother is Mother Goose, and Mother Goose is the author. That would explain why Cora herself was so important to Rumple as the mother of the person who would cast his Curse.

And there was a theory going around for a long time that the Blind Witch was Regina's sister because she apparently said it in the episode, but no she's not. The Blind Witch was burned alive but survived (as seen in episode 1x02, which takes place much later) and was later sent to Storybrooke as Ms. Ginger, Regina's secretary who hopefully, no longer eats children once the Curse is broken and magic has returned.

We actually still don't know how Regina obtained/created the Apple, nor why the Blind Witch stole it from her. I doubt BW would steal a regular apple and I don't buy the theory that Regina stole an apple from a witch whose magic clearly revolved around sweets.

Hmmm.... I heard a rumor about an actor playing a part of a woman called  "Ms Ginger ". Ive looked at that episode a number of times  (as I have so many of them which lets me know Im a littke bit too deep in it fore my age ...LOL) This Miss Ginger that people have talked about only had a walk on role and not a speaking part  as a Miss Ginger nor was her name ever even mentioned in any sense in that walk on scene.

From what I understand the woman who played  Miss Ginger did indeed also play a blind witch, but not the same blind witch in the Hansel and Gretel episode, but the  blind witch in the scene you mentioned at the very beginning when Regina cast her curse and asked for a lock of hair from those present with the darkest soul. It is true that in both episodes there were blind witches but I'm not sure of they are one in the same.That blind witch in S1.E2  which you mentioned had a couple of speaking parts, but I think when that same actor appears as the woman they say is called Miss Ginger in the scenes where Regina announces the new sheriff, it appears shes only in that scene as an extra not as a character who would have a possible background.

That may have been the name the actor was assigned to play but she certainly didnt have a role as she only was there and  did or said nothing, neither was her name ever even mentioned that I recall. I myself would have never placed her as the same blind witch in Hansel and Gretal episode because like you said the kids threw that witch in the furnace and then Regina threw a fire ball at her through her mirror and burnt her alive. So to see her in Storybrooke after she was burnt alive doesnt make asense to me unless I am totally recalling everything wrong. If I am ... I stand corrected. I can get things twisted around wrong sometimes

Now ...speaking of the Hansel and Great episode  and the upcoming "Mother" episode we were talking about :  As we all know, there is a mother missing from the Hansel and Gretal scene. I find it very interesting that Regina made a specific point of going after those particular kids and their Father and that an entire episode was dedicated to them and then just dropped. What happened to their mother? We know that family is in Storybrooke, we also know that everybody knows them , including Emma  but as far as I can remember we have no idea what happened to  their mother. We know that there is no record of her in Storybroke but we dont know that she did not exist in the childrens lives in the Enchanted Forest,  ONLY that she is not mentioned.

In the same way they gave some depth to some of the other storys, it;d be interesting to see them add more some depth to that story seing that it is major fairy tale and this show has developed it both in the Enchanted Forest  AND Storybrooke with a whole episode.

May be this mother is magical or has a history, and Regina or Cora made a point of getting rid of her and now she is resurfacing as the author to get her revenge by seeing to it Regina OR Cora had no happy ending ....and then maybe at the end she changes. That'd be interesting to see.

All these "what if's " and "may be's" can drive a person batty. Whtas worst is ...Im letting it. If I'm not mistaken in the Hansel and Gretal movie or in one of the fairy tale movies made in the last couple years, there was a witch that was a mother to 2 kids. Now I've got to go back to check  them out to see