Board Thread:Character Discussion/@comment-34563899-20180218220444/@comment-31231929-20180219213732

Aine1989 wrote: Emillian Swanones wrote: Aine1989 wrote: Emillian Swanones wrote: Aine1989 wrote: Um, no. No he did not say that.

The line is "if I did not know better, I would say you were trying to get me drunk, which is usually my tactic". He does not mention who he gets drunk, or what he gets them drunk for. So already your point is on very shaky foundations.

Now onto the whole context of the scene. Hook was already seduced by Emma, and she was stalling by getting him drunk. He would not need to suspect that she was getting him drunk for sex, as he was already consenting. Therefore the whole line becomes "If I didn't know better, I'd say you weren't trying to have sex with me, you were trying to get me drunk". So no, he does not admit to raping women. He may get people drunk to get them to pay the tab, for information, to steal from them, to bribe someone etc.

At the very worst, he made a bad joke while drunk. Given that later on in the same episode, he asks for Emma's consent twice, despite being far too drunk to consent to sex himself. If you are going to use an episode to bash a character, at least watch the whole episode.

Also funny how you pick up and rage about that line, but not about Emma sexually assaulting Hook in that very scene. I guess rape is only bad when it's being done by a character you dislike, am I right?

It's been 4 years, can we make like Elsa and let it go? Couldn't have said it better myself. However, I completely disagree that Emma was assaulting him. She was using herself and alchohol to keep him from going back to his ship, not to sleep with him. I don't see how that would be considered sexual assault. True, but she did force a kiss on him while he was far too drunk to consent (if you cannot walk or talk correctly, you are too drunk to consent) when they got back in his ship.

I am not trying to bash Emma because clearly that was not her intent and she seemed to want present!Hook to stop it before it escalated.

I don't hold it against her because of the wider context, but kissing a person who is too drunk to consent is assault, so taking a scene where he is the victim and trying to use it as "proof" he is a rapist is pretty gross. And shows how hypocritical some people in this fandom are. How is Emma initiating a kiss that Past Hook consented to when he asked her if she wanted to go back to his ship assault? I don't see how Past Hook asking Emma for consent isn't automatically him giving her his consent since he would have almost certainly consented whether or not he was drunk. Kissing a person who is too drunk to consent is sexual assault. Drunk consent =/= actual consent. Even if they consented while sober because they do not have the option to change their minds.

Again this is not meant to bash Emma, because she did try to get out of the situation ASAP, it's to show how hypocritical the fandom is. I'd call the situation dubious consent, but not sexual assault. I agree that the fandom is very hypocritical though.