Board Thread:Rant and Rave/@comment-31937823-20180102211252/@comment-31937823-20180114232038

Edzz wrote: TheRose123 wrote:

Edzz wrote: Without getting into 5A, here are the changes I would make in 5B:

Souls of the Departed: I would have included a quick scene of Zelena arriving in Oz (just so she's in the 100th Ep)

Labour of Love: I would have characterised Megara closer to how she was in the movie, and have a reason for her being locked up by Hades in his Dungeon

Devil's Due: Unless I can't remember the ep properly, I would keep it the same pretty much.

The Brother's Jones: Complete overhaul on this episode including the title. This episode would be about Hook trying to keep it a secret from his brother that he killed Brennan. Liam won't be a dick to Emma in the present. With the flashback, I don't mind how it showed Hook's progression from deckhand to Lieutennant, and included treasure island stuff, but for god sakes it would need to be a lot more interesting. Maybe in this flashback instead of Hades just randomly appearing to tempt Liam, he could appear as the mysterious "King" that is mentioned in Good Form and this episode, and at the very end of the flashback he could task the Jones's with finding Dreamshade. Hades's motivation here being that Dreamshade is so deadly that he could add thousands to his domain. The episode ends with Brennan and Liam forigivng Killian, and Brennan and Liam ascending to Mount Olympus.

Our Decay: I would give Hades a clear motivation for stealing Baby Hood (other than to get Zelena which is quite a weak motive tbh). Maybe he wants to cast a time travel spell in the present, but the reapparence of Zelena convinces him otherwise? I'd also have Zelena wear the Silver Slippers into the Underworld so as to avoid the "Ruby Slippers" Plothole. I would also include a scene at the end of the episode in flashback, where a Hades of the past transforms the Underworld with magic from the traditional Greek Myth Underworld into a copy of Storybrooke, so as to try and give Zelena everything she ever wanted. (This would also help place the timing of the Our Decay flashbacks as After the First Curse has been broken, which would also explain why Zelena didn't attack The EF earlier than season 3)

ROBIN HOOD INSERTED EPISODE CENTRIC: Okay, so in my plan for 5B I would add in two extra epiosdes. (I know this isn't realistic with the network, but it helps tell the story better).

Story A: Would follow Robin and Baby Hood in the Underworld Forest, where they are captured by a Fury and brought to Hades's Lair, as Hades needs Baby Hood (for a time travel spell). Hades explains that he was able to locate Robin, as his life was owed to the Underworld (as a result of 5A). Hades would then imprison Robin in his Lair, to avoid him warning the others of what has happened. In order to have some fun, Hades shows Robin Marian, and tells her that he has dated not only the woman who originally killed her (Regina) but the woman who ended up killing her (Zelena), and that the two have a baby. Hades would then leave Marian and Robin alone to do something in Story C, thinking Marian wouldn't free Robin as she was so consumed with rage at him, and then with Hades out of the way, Marian would confront Robin. They would discuss everything (the events of 4A, the rape, Roland etc) and eventually, despite being devastated, Marian would agree to help him and Baby Hood escape. Together they would vanquish the Fury, Robin and Baby Hood would escape back into the woods, and Marian would ascend to Mount Olympus, with no unfinished Business.

Story B: Story about Snow/Henry/Regina trying to atone for all the villagers and people Regina killed, by helping them move on, as a part of Operation Firebird. Eventually, They find Johanna, Leopold and Eva (Snow's mother), and Regina is very ashamed of what she and Cora did to them. They forgive her and are able to move on, having finally seen Snow and her grandchild.

Story C: Whilst Snow/Regina/Henry search for the Whites, Charming, Emma and Hook search with Charming for his own family, trying to go to Ruth for answers about James. Again, Ruth tells David everything she knows about James, but states that Robert (her husband) may have more information. Suddenly, unable to have stopped Leopold, Johanna and Eva from moving on, Hades bursts in and teleports Ruth away, claiming that she and Robert will be unreachable to the heroes, to prevent Ruth, Robert and James from moving on. Charming is horrified and vows to hurt Hades.

Backstory: Probably should be more Marian based, but literally anything from this list:

-How did Robin get his tattoes

-How did Robin get into theivery

-What was Robin's childhood Like

-How did Robin meet Marian (yes this has been described, I want it shown), and fall in love

-Circumstances of Roland's conception or birth

-How did Marian get sick

-How did Robin put Marian in harm's way, so that she knew Snow's whereabouts and got captured by the Evil Queen? (Snow Drifts)

Her Handsome Hero: Colette in the backstory would be nice.

Ruby Slippers: This whole episode was a mess and needs to be redone. I can't be bothered typing a whole outline, but here are some basic points:

1) The LGBT Story is between Dorothy and Mulan, it's absoloutely bullshit not for her to get her happiness. (I don't mind Red/Mulan either)

2) The episode opens with Mulan and Ruby in the EF, and they come across Lancelot and the Lady of the Lake. Lancelot explains how he never really died, and merely fled the Safe Haven to his mother's protection, when he realised Cora wanted to kill him, forcing Cora to masquerade as him rather than just use his heart. Then, when Ruby and Mulan reveal they are looking for Ruby's pack, the Lady of the Lake assured them that they will find what they seek in Oz, and conjures up a Cyclone for them.

3) The bonding scenes are all between Dorothy/Mulan, instead of Red/Mulan.

4) Dorothy voluntarily undertakes the sleeping curse, so Zelena will Spare Mulan and Ruby, who she threatens to hurt.

5) The Lady of the Lake opens a Portal for Mulan and Ruby to enter the Underworld, and the two of them together go about the Underworld, and travel back to Oz with Snow, and administer TLK.

6) If there's any plot holes I've created here/not fixed up, pls lemme know.

Sisters: I would change the backstory so it's a little more interesting. Maybe parrallel stories highlighting the abuse Young Zelena faced at her father's hands (maybe including her mother dying?), as well as the abuse Young Regina faced at Cora's hands. Maybe in the middle of the ep, I'd have Cora travel to Oz (Legally mind you, not just poofing there, because she's not that powerful), and end up deciding not to adopt Zelena, as she doesn't want Regina to have competition. But really any backstory which takes out memory loss is a plus tbh. Also Cora goes to Tartarus not Olympus

Firebird: I can't remember anything that I wanna change, but if you guys remember something shitty in this ep, add it in.

Last Rites: I'd split this all into two eps, the first being a Hades centric, and the second being a Robin centric.

Extra stuff for these eps

Hades Centric:

Flashback #1: Zeus, Poseidon and Hades are children, and playing under Kronos and Rhea (Rhea is black, which explains Poseidon's colouring), suddenly Kronos notices a man drinking from the "Holy Grail" or Chalice of the Gods. Using it as a test, he asks Hades, the eldest what he would do, and Hades immediately responds by vaporising the man with the immense pride to drink from the Gods' Chalice (this is the man travelling with Merlin in Nimue). Kronos is alarmed by Hades's cruelty and asks Poseidon what to do when Merlin drinks. Poseidon, however is too benevolent and grants Merlin magic and immortality. This causes magic to chaotically spread through the known realms, and Poseidon panics. Zeus quickly steps in and creates the "Dark Grail" placing it in the LWM, stopping the magic from spreading to every realm, and making sure that the LWM is the most resistant world to magic. Kronos is impressed, whilst Hades is envious.

Flashbacks #2, 3, etc: To sum up- Poseidon leaves Olympus for the sea, deciding ruling isn't for him. Hades realises despite being the eldest son, he won't inherit Olympus as Kronos favours Zeus. Then, akin to the history we have on the wiki, Fueled by animosity towards his father and his older brother, Hades seizes the  Olympian Crystal, a powerful weapon belonging to the ruler of Mount Olympus by killing Kronos, who kept the crystal in his bedroom. As Hades gets the weapon, Zeus enters the bedroom, discovering his brother and what he did. Hades prepares to use the Olympian Crystal on his brother, but Zeus causes Hades' heart to stop beating so only  true love's kiss can reverse it. If Hades proves successful in this endeavor, he can also return to the land of the living as a fully formed person. In addition to stopping Hades' heart, Zeus breaks the Olympian Crystal, making it impossible for his brother to fix it without his beating heart. Zeus then banishes Hades, and he ends up becoming the ruler of the  Underworld, where he oversees souls of people who have unfinished business.

Robin Centric: This would be the ep where Robin dies, and would answer a q that wasn't answered in his other Centric

-How did Robin get his tattoes

-How did Robin get into theivery

-What was Robin's childhood Like

-How did Robin meet Marian (yes this has been described, I want it shown), and fall in love

-Circumstances of Roland's conception or birth

-How did Marian get sick

-How did Robin put Marian in harm's way, so that she knew Snow's whereabouts and got captured by the Evil Queen? (Snow Drifts)

Extra Present Day Stuff: Guinevere appearing and being released from Arthur's spell by Hades, for fun, and being so angry at him for raping her, Guinevere kills him instead of Hades. In the Underworld, Arthur and Hook meet with Merlin, the Apprentice and Nimue, dealing with all the 5A unifinished business between them (e.g. Merlin's death, Hook's stint as Dark One, Nimue's stint as Dark One, The Author, The Sorceror, The OUAT Book, The Prophecy, the Broken Kingdom). There's a big battle (Merlin + Apprentice + Hook + Arthur vs Nimue + Blind Witch + Dark Ones + Cruella), and Arthur Wins, Merlin, Apprentice, Hook go to Olympus and Arthur rules Underworld. All  people in River of Lost Souls are freed (Milah, Auntie Em, Ruth (in my version) etc) and move on for better or worse. At Mount Olympus, we see Hercules and Megara happily ever after, and since Hercules is a demigod, Zeus reveals to Hook that Hercules was able to go back and live a life on earth, but chose to stay back on Olympus with megara. As a reward for his compliance, Zeus offer's Hercules's mortality to Hook who accepts. Also, in present day Robin reunites with Roland.

Only You + Untold Story:

1) No Magic in LWM

2) Either no The Dragon, or have the Dragon's fate ambiguous in Season 2

3) Have Guin reunite with Lancelot, and Merida with her mother

4) Delete the shit about Violet's dad

Was that everything? were there some flaws I missed? Does Hades make more sense now, under my plan or nah? I agree that it was disappointing there was lack of focus on Robin before his death, there wasn’t enough connection I had to the character so I didn’t really care that he died. Yeah. Adam and Eddie never treated him as a character in my opinion, only as a tool for Regina or Zelena. If we had gotten some Robin flashbacks, as well as seen him deal with his own loss in Marian, I might have been okay with his death.

It’s a shame as just as it looked like they might begin discussing about the situation with the baby, he died.