Board Thread:Character Discussion/@comment-25926288-20151211170125/@comment-27885419-20161017151138

Eskaver wrote: PrettyBlackRosePirate wrote: Eskaver wrote: The problem with the whle Dark One argument is that it doesn't absolve anyone of anything.

Rumple is the DO: he murders, lies, etc and he's a terrible, terrible man., during and after.

Emma was the DO: she lied, lied, lied, and was a selfish person during and after.

Hook was the DO: he said mean things, sentenced people to death, etc, but he was weak and forced into so it wasn't really his fault.

The problem lies in this faulty logic. Even Hook admits he was terrible and weak, so excusing him wholly or partially shows some inherent bias (which we all have). I'm not excusing any of them. I'm not saying it wasn't at all his fault. But Darkness should give them a benefit of doubt, at least. Passing a judgement entirely based on when they were dark ones is a bit harsh. The thing I like about Killian is that he acknowledges his mistakes and feels genuinely remorseful about it.

Yes, he is a flawed person, but aren't they all? Aren't we all? Does that mean he doesn't deserve happiness?

Emma is flawed too. They both have their pasts and negative qualities. They will make mistakes, they may end up hurting each other, but that doesn't mean they don't love each other or shouldn't be together. Just making sure there's no sidestepping their times as the Dark One. Now I would at best chalk it up to weird writing that the writers do when they make their villains horrendous, unforgivable people.

If we take their relationship as it is currently in season 6, individually they are pretty neat characters and as I mentioned in an earlier post, from a slight deviation of the best case scenario, any one might look at Emma and think Hook and his happiness is her number one priority. It isn't hard to see. If we just took this season by itself, Emma's focus isn't too bad, but then coupled with last season, her consuming herself with Darkness, her feeling she dragged her whole family to the Underworld to save him, etc, it seems that she's only focused on him (with occasional mentions to her family). I somehow fail to see that.

As for going to hell, if it had been Snow or Henry in Killian's position, she would've done the same. But the fact is that it wasn't so she didn't. And Killian is kind of a part of their family.

She didn't drag anyone per se. As has been repeated, they all made their own decisions. Even if she forced them to stay, they would've followed. The only one she dragged there was Rumple, and that was kind of revenge.

She loves him. People do things for the people they love, even if they're not strictly 'family'. I think they've given us enough family moments as well, though she didn't have to go to hell and drag people along to get them back. So season 5 had a lot of CS, but season 1 also had a lot of Snowing. I don't know why people can't get over it.