Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-4519633-20141022032431/@comment-28211584-20160529044909

Boobfairy wrote: Mr.Carvalho wrote: gets to be funny so wrong that your list is and the way you handle the information to put the characters where you want.But for not had complaints will list all (at least try because they are many) errors in your list.

1 rumple with the power of all dark ones is nowhere near the level of the gods, gods are immortal (if only the crystal can kill them), rumble can be killed by the dagger, the crystal, Excalibur, the arrows that hades did. In addition  the power of the dark ones came by the gods (the cup from gods which  merlin  drank and gained his powers) gods are theoretically omnipotent and even rumble has its limits

2.Emma was not the dark one more powerful because she does not use light magic when she turns dark one, she was at the same level as everyone else (taking into account her low knowledge of magic) and peter pan is not more powerful than dark ones, they could kill him only to die in the process (even I still believe in the fact that rumple could not kill pan without dying, not because pan was more powerful but because he was his father)

3.this is one of the most hilarious parts, I think you are one resentful fan since the first season where they thought the blue was as powerful as the rumple but actually find it nowhere near and not to lose faith you guys create theories and ideas abaout her do not show her power, but deep down they know that is not true. But facing directly in because she could not be there, first characters without importance saying that others are super powerful does not say anything, (regina says that she and rumple are the most powerful wizards of all time, and we know that is not true and looks that she is a major character), and even though she was powerful not even come close to the other in this list (and falls between us in the eyes of a nanny and a child any magician is powerful), she failed to break the spell protection in S2, but cora alone  could, tried to defeat regina blindsided in S2 with her wand but was stopped by the same and got no reaction and was unable to use a cheap telekinesis to prevent hook  to imprisons her in hat.hook lived threatening rumble, it means that he is more powerful than the rumple ?? (I will not even talk about the letter he wrote to cora talking zelena be the most powerful sorceress he has found, to list more a blue reason not be that everything you say) I think it's enough.

4. today emma is not on the same level as Zelena, who beat  her easily a few ep ago, the same talk about ingrid rumble says in his letter to cora that zelena is the most powerful sorceress he has foundn, this before  zelena use  her pendant and after having known ingrid. I would REALLY like  you shows me one scene abaut zelena without your pendant beating regina (scene that does not exist, because zelena without your pendant is being shown in this season at the same level of power that regina, which ironically in this season are beating zelena several times and she has no reaction)

5. How you said, he TRIED  to open a portal and failed, regina , zelena and any other mage  without proper knowledge can try also but wont achieve without a magic item, this is not done any of .not can give me that he did not try to defend himself, he intimated tamara  and was ready to kill her only that he did not expect her to be faster and fall him asleep, already regina ,he saw and stayed with fEAR, and could not defend himself. Regina can not use the wand because she did not believe in herself ,not because she was unable this was explained in the series.

6.cora, regina and zelena are at the same level of power, and only see the ep "sisters" and look at what was said on the topic earlier by several people forum, I wonder where it was said that Regina had not enough power to sulk cora again, what was said, was that she had no power to send cora back alone, and cora could not go back to alone EF, she had to use the mirror magic, and as rumble  could not crossed between kingdoms  he used the hat of hatter. do not forget that regina could managed to break  cora magic and still push her trough the mirror, as well as cora was afraid to fight with regina  after her learn to use her magic

7.Regina born with magic, as evidenced by the series, it seems that you do not see the show, and maleficent was defeated by regina and surprised her in S4, and glinda is not even close to the level of 2, as Regina could zelena defeat and beat her it a few times already, glinda was said to be unable to do 1. You're probably right; the Holy Grail magic did come from the gods, so logically the gods are more powerful. But keep in mind that Rumple has the power of 10+ Holy Grails right now. Not saying I'm right because it's purely speculation how much more powerful the gods are.

2. About the whole "I can't kill him without dying" thing: I'd like to point out that Rumple acted as if this was some kind of prophecy that would require his own sacrifice, not merely his own guilt. He said, "I can't kill him without dying," not "I wouldn't WANT to kill him without dying." Rumple doesn't love Pan, so it doesn't really make sense. Also, in Season 5, Rumple killed Pan, which disproves your theory of "he didn't want to kill him because he's his father", because he clearly killed him there, only this time he was more powerful than Pan.

About Emma being the most powerful Dark One, it was explicitly stated here, and this time by Merlin himself: (skip to the end of the video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsSxjYjMJgI

So that's settled. Also, in your previous post you said that Emma WAS using light magic in conjunction with dark when she was a Dark One. Not sure why you changed that here.

3. You have a point; just because people say something doesn't make it true. But I did not use any "fan theories and ideas" in my justification, I only cited things from the show. And I think the difference between Hook threatening Rumple and Blue threatening Zelena is that Hook never confronted Rumple directly, he was PLOTTING AGAINST Rumple, which is not the same thing as Blue holding her wand up to Zelena. One implies that you cannot confront him directly, while the other implies you can. I could believe Zelena is still more powerful than Blue since we never see the outcome of their fight.

4. Here's the thing: in that mini-fight between Emma and Zelena, Emma explicitly said that she did not want to hurt Zelena. Emma didn't throw a single spell at Zelena, she just let herself get pushed down. Also, here's the scene I was talking about where Zelena subdues Regina:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3SROBDmhxo

And also, I think the most explicit proof that Zelena is STILL more powerful than Regina is that Regina in 5x01 was unable to use the apprentice's wand because she "wasn't powerful enough"- actual quote from the show, but Zelena easily could. Regina needed the help of "people believing in her," while Zelena didn't.

5. I can't really argue with you about this one. We've seen so little of the Dragon that no one can really accurately judge his power, and we don't know his true motivations either, though I would like the point out that Tamara didn't ACTUALLY kill him. You might be right, but there's not enough info to know for sure.

6. Here's the scene I was talking about if you're unclear:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRf3b0nlHYU

We can see that the mirror is a portal, and Cora says that Regina doesn't have the magic to push her back through it. The first time Regina did that, Cora was unprepared. We haven't seen Regina best Cora in any other way, though.

7. I think there's a misunderstanding here. By "born with magic" I meant that Zelena actually performed magic as an infant, while Regina did not until she was a young adult. My logic was that this means Zelena is naturally more magically inclined than Zelena. I'm sure Regina was born with the ABILITY to do magic; but then again so is everyone who can do magic...so I'm not sure what point you're trying to prove. About Regina defeating Zelena, it happened once when she surprised her by pulling out light magic. Other than that, Regina and Zelena (without her pendant) haven't really fought directly. Zelena subdued Regina in 5x16 when she took her baby back. When Regina sent Zelena back to Oz, it wasn't really a fight. Neither of them used a single spell, she just summoned a twister.

Also, if you believe that Zelena = Cora = Regina, AND that Zelena > Emma, then by extension you also believe that Regina is stronger than Emma, which is just not true. I spent a lot of time on this (Saturday night and I'm bored lol) so please don't be rude if/when you respond. I'm sorry if I was rude, but I am really  impressed with people who put blue up there as if she were something impressive, she has nothing more, most mages / wizards Ouat are more powerful than her.

1- okay, you understand that there is a gulf between gods and rumble

2-ok, I really had forgotten that Emma was the most powerful  dark one before  rumble take the power of all .Because of this I  put the peter pan and the dark ones at the same level of power, and on Emma I really  said she was using light magic and dark magic, but when I said that sje does not use light magic, that's when it becomes dark one completely understood?

3-It can threat it which makes it more courageous there is a brutal difference in threat and do something, and for several reasons blue is  not stronger than zelena, cora, regina, maleficent and etc ...

4-That does not mean anything, just because regina failed first, does not mean that she is less powerful, it has no logic, her problem was not achieved has been shown by the series and was nothing but that, and this video does not show zelena subdues  regina, there regina thought zelena had no magic and zelena the surprises playing a "wave" of her magic that leaves her stunned for a few seconds, long enough to zelena escape and alone, subduing is when regina teleports zelena against her will to the clock tower and sends her back to oz

5-we can not talk much about it more, but I do not think the dragon is more powerful than the evil queen ,if not he would have stopped her to take his heart

6-cora  says "you do not have the power to push me back to wonderland", she is not saying through anything, she says regina does not have the power to send her over there, which is true, as well as cora not has the power to go back there, and as rumble has no such power without any magic item, but regina surprises and with the mirror cast a spell to send her back and to her not return

7-yes, she did in sisters she uses her wand to blush and cast a spell, and zelena not done anything more in 5x16 she surprised regina and  caused no impressive damage, if we tell it regina paralyzing zelena and preventing the back to oz is a hell done right, I think  regina scene sending to zelena oz more palpable if we consider how to fight. than zelena dropping glitter on others to get quickly stunned and run

as stated earlier I could sharing in some categories (raw power, knowledge, speed, skill and variety) I think regina = cora = zelena since 3 equilibrate these skills, but I think regina is stronger currently than emma because even emma having more power brute, regina still has more variety, knowledge and ability to overcome emma, type the two will fight and regina paralyzes emma, and finish (emma can not do paralyzation spell, transmutation or control elements she only knows bursts of energy rays and basic teleportation and telekinesis) so she isnt stronger than regina today, thing that can change over time.