Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26342775-20150914132551/@comment-25926288-20150915130824

Kingfan22 wrote:

Eskaver wrote: Rumple hasn't shown the feats, but I also go by implied stuff too. Rumple's game was manipulation. He said so to Belle. Belle asked why he collect more magical items when he can he is the most powerful in all the lands. For Manipulation! He sad so himself.

Rumple is stronger than Zelena, no doubt about it. He just never extends himself or flex his magical muscles. He said that he could take down the ice wall, but it'll likely collapse on Emma. And Ingrid with Elsa and Emma's power equated herself with Rumple. That's a lot of power!

So, Rumple is obviously more powerful, but Zelena with the pendant was a close person, then Emma, and so on.

We do have a Who's most powerful thread to continue the discussion!

Feat-wise, Rumple looks on the level of Regina lol. Hopefully Emma will show the power of the Dark One!

Back on topic! I take everything the show says and implies, in show and out, with a grain of salt. rumple was said to be the most powerful being in all the lands by multiple people and that was incorrect. they said cora almost beat rumple in a fight and used that as a way to imply she was close to rumple in power, but they never fought and she is way weaker than him. Regina said she and rumple were the two most powerful magic users to ever live, which is clearly untrue. it was implied that blue was powerful and every time she has been in a position were magical force was needed she was defeated(except for the sneak attack on Regina).

my point is this show says and implies a lot of things that end up being false or taken out of context. that's why I hold feats way higher than what is said or implied.

I'm sorry in advance if I offend you with this but I don't think it's fair for you to just end a conversation in a discussion like that especially when you say get "back on topic" in the same comment you replied to the conversation in. It kind of seems like your just trying to get the last word. I could see if someone just randomly brought it up or if this thread was a duplicate but this is were the thread naturally shifted and that shaft happened with the aid of yourself and the OP. Again sorry if I offend you and if I am overstepping my bounds It's perfectly find to comment. "Back on topic" is just a suggestion. Only if it continues to goes on a tangent, either the title changes, I redirect traffic, or only a very extreme case would I delete posts.

Just trying to make sure that the thread opened by the TC (Thread Creator) doesn't get plagued by off-topic stuff, which sometimes can go on for a while and many forget the original toipic. Also, there are two threads with the "Most Powerful people" just in different orders.

To address your points (with my opinion):

1) The battle Cora and Rumple had was one of manipulation and it was over Regina, which Rumple and Cora dispute the winner. Cora says that she won because she kept Regina and began molding her into herself. Rumple says he won (and he did) when he out-manipulated Cora and got Regina to turn on Cora and become the monster he wanted to cast the curse. That's why Cora asks for her daughter back when giving him the magic globe. Regina has no clue it was over possession and control of her.

2) Regina was being pompous as usual, plus she doesn't know about Pan, Zelena, Ingrid, or any others. The ones she encountered were Maleficent (who she beat), the Blind Witch (who was dead), Cora (who was dead), and Ursula (who really didn't do much with her magic). So, Regina was fair to make that statement. If Rumple had made it, then it would be untrue sincwe he nknows more powerful people.

3) They never said that Blue is super powerful. They said she was the original power (which doesn't mean a thing) and an thirteen year old girl said that 250 years ago before everyone else was born and what does she know.

So, everything on the show actually makes sense. They even didn't say that Rumple wasn't the most powerful. They said he was the most powerful DARK wizard in all the lands, which is true, with Merlin likely the greatest of all with Light magic.

So, tying back to Zelena (which is what the topic and the comments shouldn't stray from), Zelena is the most powerful because nothing they said or showed that she isn't.