Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-4519633-20141022032431/@comment-25536775-20170117212044

Eskaver wrote: DracoWombat wrote: I know it's annoying that I keep repeating it, but in my perspective we just don't know enough about either Ursula or Blue to rank them anywhere. We might learn more about Blue though, in the upcoming episodes. Perhaps. At best, everyone depends on the plot for how powerful they'll be. Ursula has Poseidon's power, but she didn't have all of it. The problem is the logic puzzle we play.

1. Not all Gods are equal powered. Poseidon doesn't seem to be related to Zeus and Hades, while also seeming to be dependent on his trident for power.

2. What is power numerically? Rumple has "all the DO power". I theorize that at best it's twice. In my personal theory, he's equally powerful to Merlin. The writers imply and treat it as if he's 20 DOs strong. So, what could Ursula be? Half of Poseidon's power? But then what does that mean?

3. Feats.

So, Ursula maybe had sufficent raw power. However, she seemed to lack magical knowledge (somewhat).

Blue is sort of plot-warped. She easily rescued the Apprenetice from the hat. She has been shown to often do magic without her wand and even Nova did magic without a wand. So, already fairy magic is confusing. (In my theory, Fairies either have personal magic that they are forbidden by Blue to use or they are somehow tethered to the wands).

Blue stood up to Zelena, who we put at Regina's level. Seems fine, but Regina seems to be close to Emma's level (but more trained), while Zelena easily stomps Emma (because plot). Like Zelena easily gets stomped by Queenie, but Emma easily gets stomped by Zelena. This is why I introduce the concept of speed into the mix because it's literally always "Who's the fastest?"

Wonderland had the only true determining battle that show who was stronger between Amara and Jafar. Without staff, Jafar was weaker than Amara (nearly as well-trained, but weaker).

But the problem with the concept of speed is that any battle can be boiled down to "the fastest won", and that's not how it Works. Zelena won the Battle of the Clock Tower because she is more powerful. And the EQ won the debacle at the farmhouse because Zelena was tired, emotionally hurt and didn't see much of a point in fighting back someone that can be easily defeated.

Emma isn't at Regina's level. Emma is far more powerful. It took both Cora and Regina minutes to take down Emma's shield. She's just magic-dumb and untrained. I'd say Emma is slightly above Zelena, but the latter's magic is more refined.

As for Blue, I assume she is "greater than anything" (That is, at least equal in power to Emma and non-amped Rumpel) and doesn't use much magic for shady and/or moral reasons unless stated otherwise.

The notion of "all the DO power" is strange, because the DO was simply Nimue's dark soul transferred again and again. Once a DO dies, they no longer have the power, as it's passed to the next Dark One. Though if a DO is summoned from the dagger like Nimue was in 5x07 they can use the DO power, they're using the same power the current DO has, not a "separate" DO power. Hook is an exception, but he didn't follow natural DO rules. So I assume Rumpel gained abilities the other DOs have that he didn't (Because DOs presumably live long and were able to acquire a long list of magical abilities that belonged to them as individuals and not as the Dark One, like Rumpel's future vision)