Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-24589671-20141027013232/@comment-25602483-20141105200858

Andrew.scott.503 wrote:

TheSamTrickster wrote:

Hmcooper4 wrote: Actually, I'm guessing that the mysterious house belongs to Helga (the middle sister). Pabbie only said that she and Ingrid disappeared, not that either were killed.

My guess is that Helga somehow obtained the Hat from Ingrid before the second curse (and probably before Ingrid made her way to the LWM prior to the first curse). During the second curse, Ingrid came back, found Helga living in Storybrooke, and has her kidnapped somewhere (along with Anna, and possibly Kristoff). However, before she could go back to the house, Belle and Gold had their squatters honeymoon, and Gold obtained the hat.

Another scenerio is that Helga and Ingrid were both banished to the LWM prior to the first curse (one willingly, the other not so much), and were pulled back to the FTL when Regina destroyed her curse (much as Baelfire and Hook were pulled back even though they were not part of the original curse). Which could also explain the house appearing with the second curse, since Helga (assuming it's Helga's house) would have been brought back with the second curse.

Emma and Elsa should probably check the census records to see if Helga came over. Your explanation is highly unlikely. First, Ingrid was already looking to replace Helga (probably dead) so Helga being in SB is not possible and it doesn't even exist yet because Ingrid was already in LWM before the first curse occured. Moreover, Ingrid got the hat from Anna, and during this time it is highly likely that Helga is already dead as she was already looking for a replacement for Helga and Anna, because Helga is probably dead and Anna was the "odd woman out" which led her to stalk the Saviour. Finally, there are a lot of foreshadowing as to what happened to Helga. Ingrid keep mentioning that she was trapped because people didn't understand her and feared her. it is likely that what happened to Elsa and Anna during the animated film also happened between Helga and Ingrid, however, she was actually punished for it, probably people during Ingrid's time were less understanding and less forgiving. We also already know from the episode of "Family Business" that Anna was held captive by the SQ. The Hat still seems the most likely explanation for her ability to warped herself in the LWM. '''Sara/Ingrid/Snow Queen was definitely in LWM during the first curse. But how did you establish that Sara/Ingrid/Snow Queen was in LWM BEFORE 1983? Emma found in Sara/Ingrid/Snow Queen's file a newspaper clipping about her and Pinocchio\August being found next to the freeway in 1983, but that clipping could of been obtained at a later date.'''

I am now of the opinion that Sara/Ingrid/Snow Queen most likely did not arrive to LWM via Dark Curse but by other means (magic bean or magic portal of some sort probably involving a mirror, not a wood cabinet made from mystic wood).

As far as Arendelle not being affected by the first dark curse, maybe it was just too far away of the range of the dark curse to be generally consume by it? Did not Hook state he was able to sail far enough away not to be taken by the second dark curse? (Now the dark curse can probably target individuals or specific items though, thus you got Victor Frankenstein from LWC as well as the Mad Hatter taken from Wonderland snatched by the dark curse).

The 'honeymoon' mansion being Helga's, that would be interesting, but just pure speculation at this point. - We know that Anna took the hat (frustrating Rumples to no end )

- The hat was found by Gold in the mansion (and I think he was generally surprised to see it there)

- Bo-Peeks sheep crook established that Anna's heart was still beating and presumably somewhere in Storybrooke, M

Maybe the mansion belongs to Anna? Or Anna found aunt Helga and both are working together? I agree with what you said here. The SQ could have managed to go to a LWM, before or after the first curse was casted via uknown ways. But with helga, I am still leaning towards her being dead, in the episode of "Family Business" the runic prophecy "suggested" that emma was somehow a reincarnation of her sister, which is why she stalked emma, and also because she looked exactly like helga from the family tree shown from the book elsa was holding during this episode. However, it is also possible that Helga is still alive, and that  is the reason why Ingrid and Helga disappeared was probably because Ingrid preferred to complete her family by replacing Gerda with a magical being, hence, a perfect family. Then Helga might have disliked this idea, and trapped Ingrid into the Urn. Maybe she went back to Arendelle, but unfortunately, Gran pabiie took all of the people's memories and destroyed any record regarding her and Ingrid which left her no choice but to leave, then that theory of Anna and Helga working together becomes possible. So to summarize this last theory, Helga was also magical, did not agree with Ingrid so she trapped her. After many many years, Anna escaped from the SQ then found Aunt Helga and since then, both worked together. lol this is fun, concocting difference scenarios. lmao.