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Further...I had a couple ideas for new storylines, some of which related to some of the show's storylines or replaced them, from this thread, that I would've addressed by now on the show:

First, my posts on Jack and Jill...:

Name (self explanatory... I hope!): Jill Origin (either the story they come from, or if they're an original creation): Jack and Jill, Bonny and Clyde, (James and the Giant Peach-check last part of the message) Description (this can range from their appearance, to their personality, to their character flaws): Jill is female, and is also Jack's first lover. They met and instantly hit it off, going on many adventures together, Bonny-and-Clyde-esque. Both Jill and Jack are bisexual, and in one adventure, they ran into Prince James, when he was on a mission for his adoptive father. Prince James initially was a rival to the two, his mission culminating in the same goal Jack and Jill had set themselves to. During their numerous following encounters, James and the two lovers begin to see more and more into one another and notice that, at all of their cores, lies the same thing: self-gain. All of them came from low places in one way or another, and climbed their way up, each in their own distinct manner.

Jack began as a daughter to a belligerent blacksmith who always resented that his only child that survived birth was a female, and refused to treat her like a lady. In private, he would often beat her and blame her for all his troubles, mostly in a drunken stupor, while in public he often played out how lucky she was being born to him because he was going to raise her like a man, and this would get her further in society than she could otherwise get. The public respected him for his decisions, and often reminded her of her luck. However, at the mere age of 13, she grew extremely resentful of him, and, during one of his many drunken stupors, stabbed him through his belly, killing him. Word got out and her village shunned her, quickly sending her on the run. From there on out, she became very aware of her status as a female, trained in the art of the sword, became very able to defend herself and took much pride in who she was.

Jill began quite the opposite-she was highborn, the second daughter of a local lord. As a result she was always pampered and her father had her learn to sew, clean, and do all kinds of things that women of that day were "supposed to do". However, she was always rough around the edges and never could become fond of all the menial things that her father kept telling her she had to do and the person she was supposed to become. She much preferred the stories of the brave warriors who ventured out into the world to slay dragons and make deals with imps, sometimes outlaws who took what they wanted simply  because they could. One day, when Jill was still young, perhaps 12 or 15, and Jack 19 or 20, already fairly well-learned in swordsmanship and burglary, Jack attempted to rob Jill's father of his riches. She was caught by Jill, who begged Jack to take her with her, to train her and teach her how to be just like she was. Jack accepted, and Jill ran away from home with her. Following that, they lived on the streets together, and Jill began to learn Jack's ways. At first they were solely teacher and student, but slowly, once Jill picked up the skills and became fairly able on her own, to the point where they were equal in skill and strength, in their abilities, and had each risen from nothing to a hell of a lot more than nothing, they each began to feel an affinity for the other. And that's how their Bonny-and-Clyde-esque act was born.

James, the son of a peasant and adopted son of a King, raised to believe that Kings and men ruled all, Lords over Ladies and Kings over Queens, was, at first, taken aback by Jack and Jill and their ways. However, as they began to lose their animosity towards one another and come to more friendly terms, he came to, not exactly respect them, but appreciate his situation. While no love for them was ever really felt by James, both Jack and Jill began to harbor feelings for James, and him, given the opportunity to gain something at the cost of nothing, took it. The three were known to often shut themselves out in James' bedroom of his father's castle for entire days and nights, if you know what I mean.

However, as time went on, Jack began to favor James over Jill, and gradually the two grew apart. Jill remained loyal to Jack-while she also harbored feelings for James, she felt that nothing could replace everything she and Jack shared. Eventually, this caused a fissure in the three musketeers, and by the time Jack and James met Anton, Jill was out of the picture. When she heard, however, that James had left Jack to die to avoid risking his own life at the battle in the Giant's Castle, she grew enraged with James that he could ever betray her, with all that Jack loved him, and vowed to one day take revenge.

Background (where they fall in the story... what happened to them? How are they incorporated into the story? Where are they now? Who are they/will they associat(ed) with?): Jill did eventually confront James about everything he had done and threatened to kill him, however, King George, refusing to allow his son to develop a reputation for slaying women (the official story on Jack, of course, being that her death at the hands of Arlo was unavoidable), had her killed by his own men in secrecy.



Ba-BAM. :D Whaddya think? Only thing I would change is I'd love to include a homage to James and the Giant Peach somehow, as it is a classic, but I don't know how as I barely remember the story as it is.

Not adapt it and work it into this, no-it wouldn't quite fit-but perhaps a small role for a Peach James eats or something, again, just to pay homage. I would also want the whole Bonny-and-Clyde thing Jack and Jill had going on to be subtly paid homage to somehow. :3



Oooh, want to add something to my thing in the post above-

Jill is actually Sir Maurice's second daughter, and therefore Belle's younger sister. Maurice always pampered Belle and made the biggest deal out of her, but Jill always sort of lived in Belle's shadow, and wasn't even good at it nor ever had a chance at living up to it.



108.49.79.202 wrote: Utter solitude wrote:

108.49.79.202 wrote: Oooh, want to add something to my thing in the post above-

Jill is actually Sir Maurice's second daughter, and therefore Belle's younger sister. Maurice always pampered Belle and made the biggest deal out of her, but Jill always sort of lived in Belle's shadow, and wasn't even good at it nor ever had a chance at living up to it. I don't see Belle being okay with something like that, though :( No, she wasn't, but it's how Maurice did things.

Nor Belle nor Jill had any choice in the matter-Maurice, as shown by pretty much all his actions, is very, very controlling. Jill's always living in Belle's shadow and not being Belle always caused her to wonder, what made her like this? Why was she bad at everything, why was Maurice like this?

And this is where Belle's talent for seeing the good in everyone emerged. Belle and Jill were close-Jill would always cry to her older sister and spill her guts out, asking her, "Why can't I be you? Why do I have to suck at everything?" (for lack of a better term, you know what I mean :P) and Belle would go on to find the good in her, to tell her what she was good at, and to show her everything Maurice didn't see.

Eventually though, when offered the chance, Jill couldn't resist but beg Jack to let her be what she wanted and had it in her to be. Belle always complimented and pointed out Jill's sense of adventure and will-Jill new that with Jack, she would get a chance to actually use these traits of hers.

Also, on a different note, Jack's mom died in childbirth. Growing up, it was just her and her father.