Board Thread:Character Discussion/@comment-34563899-20180202235154/@comment-31231929-20180205165949

Lady Junky wrote:

Emillian Swanones wrote:

Lady Junky wrote:

Emillian Swanones wrote:

Lady Junky wrote:

Emillian Swanones wrote: Rumple is definitely a villain pre-season 5 and his relationship with Milah was very toxic. I'm in agreement with Aine1989 in that Rumple was abusive towards her. He thinks of her only as Bae's mother (using her love for him to get her to obey) and not as her own person and made life-altering decisions without her which led to her being miserable and a social outcast. Both of them are terrible parents, but I think Milah was very very slightly better because she left Bae with who she thought would be good for him, was planning on going back for him when he was older, and regretted her decision to leave so much it was her unfinished business. Rumple let Bae fall through the portal and didn't find him for 300 years because he was too afraid to give up his power. He also killed a bunch of people in front of him and isolated him which could have affected his mental health.

Rumple has manipulated, lied, controlled, killed, decieved, abused, etc since the beginning of the show. There is no way he isn't a villain. Please, read my previous posts. You clearly missed them for just giving the sam arguments as Aine, which are already proven wrong.

Also, we're talking about Rumple & Milah's couple life. Do not use example of Rumple being a bad father as the DO, because that's completely out of our discussion. Use example of Rumple as a father while he was with Milah.

In all cases, Rumple never abused Milah, and she has always been freed to leave him. As she stopped caring about Rumple & Bae... Heck, that was literally in her casting call. So, let's not pretend she cared about Bae. She did not. She left, and after years she just felt guilty.

Guily is not caring.

I actually did read them, I just didn't agree with you. Another reason why I think Rumple was abusive was because he killed Milah for rejecting him.

And this has absolutely nothing to do with our discussion. We're talking about their couple life, and how Milah keeps abusing him. As far as we're concerned, Milah left Rumple by the time he killed her, that's not a part of their couple life/daily life. Despite how wrong it is, it has nothing to do with the discussion.

And, in any case, it would change the years of abuse she did to him.

I'm talking about their relationship as a whole. Just because she left him, doesn't mean his actions weren't abusive. He created a toxic environment, which she escaped from, and then killed her. Twice, I might add. That is abusive in my book.

He never created a toxic encironment, Milah did it by herself from the moment she told him he should be dead. At this time, Rumple never did anything to harm her, or even blame her, despite what she was doing. And she escaped after years of abuse. She did not leave cos Rumple was abusive, she left cos she was unhappy and bored. That's not the same. And it is not a bad thing in itself. If she was unhappy, she was right to leave. But the way she left? Please, that was just horrible.

Whatever did Rumple afterwards is bad, but not a part of their couple life. So again, out of our context of discussion ^^

His actions turned their family into social pariahs. Which led her to being unhappy and yes, bored. It is the same in this case (the unhappy part). And I really think that the entirety of their relationship should be taken into account, not just their couple life.