Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-25926288-20170424005911/@comment-28162607-20170430200711

Farerb wrote:

Aine1989 wrote:

Farerb wrote:

Aine1989 wrote:

Farerb wrote:

Aine1989 wrote: tw: rape mention.

Snow and Whale were both raped. Neither one could consent because they had been brainwashed. While Regina did not physically rape them herself, she brainwashed them into believing they were attracted to one another and wanted to have sex. It was date rape. In the same way, David, Abigai and possibly Ruby (if I remember correctly her having sexual relationships was alluded to) as well as any other person who had sex under the curse was raped as they had no free will.

Please stop denying rape. Agreed. We shouldn't deny rape by Regina, Zelena, Hook and probably Rumple. Definitely Rumple (5x11, season 4 finale and he may be guilty of rape by proxy since he built (modified?) the Dark Curse, as well as IIRC facilitating Robin's rape).

And no, Hook is not a rapist in canon. And before you start, no he did not admit to getting women drunk. In that exchange, there is no mention of women or sex. In the context of that conversation, he was suspicious that Emma wasn't trying to have sex. So the full line would be "If I didn't know better, I'd say you [were not trying to have sex with me], you were  trying to get me drunk". So we know he did not mean sex. Worth noting he (while drunk beyond the point of consent)  asked for her consent twice.

Trivialising rape by calling Hook a rapist is just as bad as denying that Regina/Rumple/Zelena are rapists.

Damn there is a lot of rape on this show. "When I jab you with my sowrd you will feel it" + numerous sexual assaults to various women on the show. This as well shouldn't be taken as lightly, but I guess we shouldn't deny rape by Regina and other characters while we should give Hook a pass, right? An innuendo (however poorly timed) is not the same as rape. Saying that it is the same thing also trivialises rape. Worth noting he flat out said he didn't want sex right before saying the infamous line.

Hook has not sexually assaulted women. He has hit/hurt women but that is not the same thing. The closest thing to sexual assault he's done is his attempted TLK with Emma, which under the circumstances wasn't sexual assault rather the equivalent of CPR (if you say it is SA, you have to say David and Ruby are guilty of the same thing). Flirting/hitting on women (however irritating/unwated) also is not sexual assault.

Hook isn't being given a pass because Hook is not a rapist. You may well dislike him, he may make you uncomfortable, but that doesn't make him a rapist and doesn't give you the right to make a serious issue into a buzzword.

Anyway, back to the main issue in this episode, which was Snow having to defend herself for being raped and David blaming her, essentially accusing her of cheating. A woman's rape is used for jokes on this show (yet amazingly, Snow doesn't do the same to David?) He sexually assualted Emma and Snow in season 2. Just because you ignore it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Just because you wish it happened doesn't mean it actually did.

He never laid a hand (sexually) on either of them. He flirted/used innuendo. That is not sexual assault, that's being a dick. Please learn what these terms mean before you decide to use them in an argument.