Board Thread:Character Discussion/@comment-28162607-20180101191335/@comment-34397172-20180119163700

Aine1989 wrote: TIAB1234 wrote: Aine1989 wrote: TIAB1234 wrote: Aine1989 wrote: TIAB1234 wrote: Aine1989 wrote:

Saving Aurora's heart (which was a split second decision and comes down to instinct).

Trading the Jolly to get Emma back to her family.

Someone can say they are sorry and they regret it until they are blue in the face, but those words are pretty much meaningless until you actually put some action behind them, which is what Hook does expertly and why his redemption works. His is "show don't tell" whereas certain other arcs seem to be "tell don't show". Technically even though he saves Aurora's heart, he has not shown regrets for what he did to her in the first place.

Trading his ship to get back to the others did not last. Cause he got his ship back. Only Wish Hook accomplished it by leaving it in Wish Smee's care, made him captain and stayed to raise Baby Alice. Which is why I said actions speak louder than words.

Who cares if it didn't last? He still made a huge, selfless sacrifice for other people and saw no benefits.

That's like saying risking your life doesn't count if you don't die. Those sacrifices do not last long. A sacrifice is usually a permanent thing.

Risking your life without dying is a different story. But it was basically what you said. If Hook had traded his ship with the knowledge he'd get it back it would be different, but as far as he knew he'd never see it again. Which is what makes it a sacrifice.

Intent is everything in this case. What you mentioned is not related to what I was pointing out, sorry to say. That sacrifice would be more like what Wish Hook did, but it was not. The definition of sacrifice is "give up (something valued) for the sake of other considerations". Hook gave up something valued (his ship) for the sake of other considerations (the safety of the EF and Emma's happiness)".

I am confused by your logic that "he got it back therefore it isn't a sacrifice". He still did something selfless without expecting a reward. The fact he got his ship back a full season later (but did not get back his captain status) doesn't change that. I was already full aware that sacrifice means more than one thing. No matter how he gave up his valed, he still got it back in the end.

And I don't care that he didn't get back his captain status.