Board Thread:Rant and Rave/@comment-31592902-20170630182255/@comment-28162607-20170713165737

Eskaver wrote: CoolDudeAl wrote: Aine1989 wrote:

He has raped her twice (s4 final and 5x11, as well as possibly when she was Lacey)

How is it rape, when Belle consented? It's not. I would suggest not tossing that word around casually as well. Lol, because he didn't sleep with her in the season 4 finale that we know of, as he was incapacitated. Anything in the book was Isaac's doing. And 5x11 was consenting, like you can say he was keeping secrets but that's not what that allegation is. Like he didn't even lie about who he was or anything, no misrepresentation, etc.

Like, if Rumple lied about taking out the trash and then proceeded to sleep with her, then under that broad definition it would be unconsenting asault and that's simply not how that works. Plus reality warping doesn't count. If Cruella wished to be in a reality were she was happily married to David, it doesn't make it sexual assault. Our laws and magic don't coincide properly as.....there is no reality warping. Yes he did rape her. We are talking about 3 separate instances.

If he slept with her when she was Lacey (I can't remember if it was intimate or whether it was implied or anything) that is rape because she is not in her right mind and does not have her free will. That is rape. It's pretty much the same as sleeping with someone while they are drunk and you are not.

In the s4 final (And given that they were married with a child Ii'm pretty sure they had sex) it was rape because he had brainwashed her into thinking she loved him and wanted to be with him when she did not. Again, same as sleeping with a drunk person. And the book was Rumple's story, Isaac wrote what Rumple told him to.

5x11 is rape because she slept with him on the condition that he had changed when he hadn't, and he knew that. Consent gained through deceit is not consent. He knew she would not have consented if she knew the truth.

I would also say that their first sex on their wedding night in 4x01 is not rape, but shaky consent grounds (but if a rape victim did argue it was I would not object).

I am not throwing around words casually. Rape is not as straightforward as a guy in an alleyway with a knife.