Board Thread:Rant and Rave/@comment-31592902-20170630182255/@comment-25926288-20170713171913

Aine1989 wrote: If he slept with her when she was Lacey (I can't remember if it was intimate or whether it was implied or anything) that is rape because she is not in her right mind and does not have her free will. That is rape. It's pretty much the same as sleeping with someone while they are drunk and you are not.

'''You inferring something doesn't make it so. Simply, this has to be disregarded because it isn't factual.'''

In the s4 final (And given that they were married with a child Ii'm pretty sure they had sex) it was rape because he had brainwashed her into thinking she loved him and wanted to be with him when she did not. Again, same as sleeping with a drunk person. And the book was Rumple's story, Isaac wrote what Rumple told him to.

'''Rumple tells Isaac to write him in a new reality as a hero and living happily with Belle. That's not anything like drugging someone. If you want to see that, see what Arthur did to Gwen. You can't apply reality-warping to drugging someone. If a widower wished his deceased lover to have never died, then I guess he commited assault as well. I'm being sarcastic, but we simply can't equate reality warping to common crimes.'''

5x11 is rape because she slept with him on the condition that he had changed when he hadn't, and he knew that. Consent gained through deceit is not consent. He knew she would not have consented if she knew the truth.

'''Nope. Belle returned somewhat belated that Rumple lied to her and saw that he did a selfless thing by sending her away. No deceit there. He DID selflessly send her away and she never said anything about him being a changed man, either.'''

I would also say that their first sex on their wedding night in 4x01 is not rape, but shaky consent grounds (but if a rape victim did argue it was I would not object).

This one actually has more ground than the other ones, but I'll agree that it's shaky.

I am not throwing around words casually. Rape is not as straightforward as a guy in an alleyway with a knife. Responses in Bold.