Board Thread:Character Discussion/@comment-34563899-20180202235154/@comment-28162607-20180203234641

Touli2 wrote: Aine1989 wrote: Okay this is my issue with your argument; you argue that Rumple pre Dark One was a "lovign husband" when he was not. He refused to even listen to or negotiate with Milah when she was clearly miserable, signed away her reproductive rights and used her love for Bae to force her to stay in line. Yes she said some mean things, but he fired the first shot. Rumple also planned to burn down a castle full of innocent people and murdered Zoso because iirc, he wounded his ego. Pre DO Rumple was an asshole and DO Rumple was an asshole.

No he did not "refuse to even listen or negotiate" with Milah. In episode 5x14 "Devils Due" there's that scene where Rumple speaks to Milah and tries to make things better for her.

And Rumple signed away *his* reproductive rights *not Milah's*. And besides he did this to save his son's life.

"used her love for Bae to force her to stay in line". You mean tried to get her to be a good mother to their son rather than spend all day in the tavern with Hook?

​​​​Rumple never mistreated Milah at all before he was the dark one.

"Murdered Zozo", true Rumple killed Zozo, *but* he did this in order to take his powers which he said earlier in that episode he would use to stop the ogres war and save all the conscripted soldiers from having to fight and die. So he killed Zozo to save many. Killing one person to save more than one person's lives in justified in my opinion.

​​​​​​When does he listen to her about moving away from the place where they were social pariahs and she was miserable? What we saw in 5x14 was him making her do all the work while he played with their kid. When does he actually attempt to improve Milah's life?

He did not even consider asking Milah about deciding their future. Do you really think she could have had another man's child and not faced humiliation for it?

In 2x04 she is clearly depressed and miserable and he tells her to suck it up and try "if not for me, then for Bae" and she drops her request for respect. I am not saying leaving to go to the tavern was right, but maybe, just maybe, if Rumple actually pulled his weight or respected her, she wouldn't have needed a break. He also acts very sexist towards her, telling her she has to fulfil her "wifely duties" and even when he thinks she's been kidnapped he still only begs for her life because "Bae needs his mother" and not because she is a human being.

Yes Milah did not react well to the abuse but that does not make her a bad person. There is no "right way" to react to abuse.

Rumple could have simply controlled Zoso but the implicatin that Bae was not his pissed him off so he decided to go for murder instead.

Rumple was always bad, the Darkness just gave him the power to do it.