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Lady Junky wrote: Tysonjackson wrote:

Lady Junky wrote:

CoolDudeAl wrote: Tysonjackson wrote: So Al, you are in agreement in that she Is Anastasia from Disney? They were definitly aware that they were naming a character, putting her in the same color, and giving her a similar backstory as the equivilant Disney character. I don't know if I'd say she is the Disney character, but she definitly purposly alludes to the Disney character. If we go that way, then we consider as an allusion.

In all cases, she can't fully based on the Disney version as she is not Cinderella's stepsis. This is honestly annoying lol. How do we consider a character confirmed to be based on the stepsisters named Anastasia and wearing a pink dress an "allusion"? But yet again you were quick to add Belle and Gold as Ellie and Carl because of a reference in the directing and music. It just doesn't even make sense why we are arguing this one. I mean I could halfway understand Clorinda and Tisbe but this? Are we gonna argue every character now?

You're the one who feel the urgent need to discuss this whole stepsis stuff again and again. And to continously ask Jane the same questions about that. Not me who has apparently a serious need to add all the stepsis as Disney characters.

"How do we consider a character confirmed to be based on the stepsisters named Anastasia and wearing a pink dress an "allusion"?"

For the same reasons that she is NOT Cinderella's step sis, she is NOT Lady Tremaine's daughter and NOT Drizella's sis. The very basic points of Disney's Anastasia are not there. As Eskaver pointed it out, the color can be easily explained by the fact she is the Red Queen (pink/red is the same tone of colors, that she had before being even named Ana on-screen) and the name being a nod to the Disney film. The rest is the fairytale.

And no need to even try to mix situations which have nothing to do with the other. Since Friday night, we have multiple sources from crew and cast confirming the Up stuff. Since Friday. This is literally the first time since OUATIW that we have a kind of source about Ana and the Cinderella stuff. That's something they refused to address for YEARS.

And it is not going to change the very fact that we don't have a source for the Disney stuff. The info we got is for the fairytale, meaning if Jane ever address the Disney stuff and say no, the entire discussion would have zero point.

Plus, if we go this way, Ana is not even closer to Disney's Ana than Clorinda/Tisbe. The only thing these girls do not have is the name. The rest is closer to Disney than OUATIW's Ana. That would not make sense to refuse to consider Clorinda/Tisbe as the stepsis from Disney, but yeah to OUATIW's Ana just cos of a name. A reference is more than just a name.

That's why allusion may be the best solution as for now. At least, until we get the clear word of someone. Tell me how she is not Anastasia from the Disney film but just based on the stepsisters in general? For starters, as you said she is not Cinderella's stepsister. Well the stepsisters in the original fairytale weren't really fleshed out much other than being a stepsister. Most of the separate characterization came from Disney and other adaptations when they gave them names... Anastasia and Drizella. All of Ana's similarities come from the Disney film. But even disregarding that, her name being Anastasia is enough to consider her based on the Disney film, if even in name. Like I said about Ursula, how are any of the Ursula's specifically based on Disney? They aren't but she takes her name from Disney so that counts her as a Disney adaptation.