Board Thread:Spoilers!/@comment-1916997-20170901012801/@comment-33696434-20171119043659

I didn't know about the Comic con stuff, but I had been wondering who Tremaine was. And as soon as I realized the broken tower was Rapunzel's I thought it was her. I had already been correct about thinking Alice was Roger's daughter. I thought that as soon as we found out he was missing a daughter, given the nature of Alice always being lost in another world. But with the Gothel connection, it makes sense why Belfry is named that, and why she hated magic so very much. It also makes more sense, as to why she had the witch locked up in the top of her highest tower. Perhaps being in the tower kept Gothel young, Wish-Hook (Rogers) only got old once he set out to look for his daughter. And if Alice was lost as a little girl, the timing adds up for that.

The whole Flynn Rider aspect was interesting, he wasn't actually for Rapunzel but for Gothel as Rapunzel. And Gothel still has the hots for him. But the promo was confusing me a little. Rapunzel was holding what looked like a women she loved and grieving. I first thought it was Anatasia, and maybe she and Rapunzel were lovers. But if Victoria is Rapunzel, maybe may be not. We don't even know if same-sex couples can have children in these enchanted worlds. So it would make sense that Victoria was with a man, at least once, to have her children. And that the witch wanted her revenge, she probably took it on the child she loved the most. But why does she love one child more than the other anyway? Is Ivy not hers? Was she a punishment? Was the only way to have the child she loved, to have one she would hate as well?

And Jacinda's fathers, her stepfather was the only father she knew. Which is intersting, she had two sets of step-parents, perhaps Tremaine was angry that this woman, who was not even the blood of her second husband, was hers to deal with. The King killed her stepfather/father, was that something to do with Tremaine? Is the evil king her birth father, Jacinda's? This confusing father plot doesn't actually continue with Henry and Lucy right? Jack is just a Catherine Nolan again?

It's still just a bit strange. The only people mentioned in the next episode are ones we have met before, except Anastasia, and the true Rapunzel. Which led me to think that she might not be her daughter at all. I'm still not sure. But wouldn't it be easy to hate a daughter forced on you? Maybe she loved Anastasia and her father wouldn't allow it, or maybe the witch took her away. It could be both. Ivy could be the result of a loveless union. But then, taking her powers to keep Anatasia alive wouldn't work. Either way, there is something that happened there, after she got out of that tower, and I'd like to know what it was.