Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-25926288-20160516005939/@comment-28162607-20160517141716

Toma Cre wrote: Aine1989 wrote: By Emma's a better person, I admit I got a bit carried away, I mean that Regina was basically saying that "You don't understand how hard it is to fight darkness because you won." But she does understand how hard it is, even though she was better at resisting it than she was. It's like an addict saying to an ex-addict 'You don't understand how hard it is!' Regina basically said "Yeah shut up your struggles don't match mine." Emma may have been better at resisting the darkness but she also had tons more help from family (Snow, David, Henry), friends (Regina, Belle, the dwarves) and her true love, Hook. She also had a magical cleansing when she was a baby (not sure if that played a factor). Regina only really had her father who had a pretty weak personality, maybe if she had someone like David at least, things would have turned out differently. Besides, her point was that Emma never truly fell into the darkness so she was never really an "addict" just pretty close to one.

Aine1989 wrote: My whole problem with the separating the Evil Queen from Regina is that it was the equivaent of a 'Get Out Of Jail (or in this case, consequences) Free' card. Regina said herself 'The EQ's baggage, her karma will still be there.' What I got from Regina wanting to be free of the Evil Queen is that her future actions will no longer be affected by her dark side (especially when she is in pain and wanting to lash out) and not that she will be magically absolved of her past misdeeds and no longer need to work for her redemption. Did she in fact say anything to that effect after EQ was separated from her? Did Snow say anything like that either? (Edited to add: The episode ended only a few minutes after EQ was seemingly killed, so we will have to wait till Season 6 to see exactly what Regina means by being "free" of EQ).

Aine1989 wrote: I'm sorry but I don't buy this as a redemption. Redemption isn't magically taking away all your bad qualities so you never have to deal with any consequences. It's working to be a better person by putting in effort eg Killian, Arthur, Ingrid. You realise that Killian is the one who said to Emma "all sins can be forgiven when someone loves you", thereby seemingly absolving himself of all his past sins of murder (the rings he wore as a reminder). Talk about not accepting personal responsibility... And Hook is in fact the one who actually got a get out of jail free card given to him by a god who rewarded him for rather minimal contributions towards defeating Hades. I mean, how come Hercules and Megara didn't get a second chance at life? 1. For 28 years Emma had no one. Yet she didn't turn into a mass murderer!

2. "Her karma will still be there." She said this. She wants to be free of consequences. If she wanted to be a better person she could, oh I don't know, try to be a better person?

3. You realise that Killian had to work in order to ge that love in the first place. He had to start changing before anyone gave him the time of day! He wears the rins as a reminder to be better, to be the person he is now. Also, what? When has Killian acted like Killian and Hook were two different people, or blamed his darkness on others? NEVER! He was put the blame on himself, every time. He didn't get a 'GOOJF'  card-he got a reward for getting the pages that told them how to defear Hades. Without them, they never would have been able to defeat Hades in the first place (and he rsiked his own soul and saved Arthur). Unlike Regina, he had to work to prove himself. So it wasn't "minimal" it was the whole freaking reason they defeated Hades. Herc and Meg didn't help defeat Hades and are currently having fun in Paradise.