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Farerb wrote: Eskaver wrote: Farerb wrote: Retcons were shameless this episode. Regina and Zelena meeting, Cora wasn't an abusive mother. That ruined the whole episode for me, but what did I expect at this stage? Are you going to be cheerful about the good things? Just asking.

Regina and Zelena meeting wasn't what I liked but there;s nothing wrong with that. It's not a plot hole because it was filled back up and it explains somethings. Just because it wasn't the best secret they could have doesn't mean that it's a RETCON! worthy moment.

And Cora was clearly abusive or did you not see the end of the flashback? Cora is manipulative and pretty callous and it stayed that way at the end of the flashback. Cora is not to blame for what Zelena did to Regina in 3B-4 or whatever Zelena and Regina did to other people. This whole backstory is a contrived way to "redeem" Zelena and I'm tired of that tbh. Cora moving to the good place was a joke, all the horrible things she has done to Regina? to Snow? to Eva? are null and void because she revealed her secret?

I get that people like this episode because Mills women hype, but it doesn't change the fact that it is flawed, and yes they retconned three characters backstories because PLOT and ZELENA REDEEMED and ZELENA AND REGINA RELATIONSHIP THAT WON'T MAKE ANY SENSE and doing a forgetting ex machina doesn't change that it was a retcon. Yes, yes. But I think you're just looking at it through a fun house mirror. Zelena feels that she acted this way due to her lack of love and abandonment issues, Regina accepts that Cora doomed them both, so they are in agreement and even Cora agrees. Unless you think redemption is a two-step process, then you would know that noone was redeemed in this episode.

As we have seen, it's not about you past, but you intended future that affects where you go. I mean Liam just got on a boat with men he killed. As we've seen, if you either don't complete you business, fall into a river, or have dark intentions as you unfinished business, you'll perish. Think of it like the second chance at a happily ever after.

When you look for flaws all you'll see is flaws. Nothing's perfect and I watched the same episode. Plot is part of a story, so I'm not going to define that as I'm sure you know plot is one of the 4 major story elements. Zelena's not redemeed, but on the road to redemption, and contrived past was contrived, but I'm sure like people do, you move on past that stuff or Snow woould have gotten rid of Regina ages ago.