Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-1916997-20160108045418/@comment-25926288-20160108201646

Farerb wrote: Eskaver wrote: Farerb wrote: Eskaver wrote: Farerb wrote: To be fair, he kind of brought it upon himself. The fandom wouldn't have been this toxic if he had been honest with them and if he hadn't given in to fanservice. And that's why you said kinda. Plus, we don't know who's idea it is to give into fanservice. And fanservice isn't necessarily a terrible idea. Giving in to fanservice or giving into abc demending you to give into fanservice is the same thing.

If we are talking about little things then yes, fanservice is fine. I don't like that they compromised the story just so fans would be happy. It means that they have no vision whatsoever and only care about the numbers. Fanservice is what led one group of fans to complain about the attention given to this couple over that couple and whatnot.... I don't think they exchange fanservice for story (at least purposefully). Let's take Regina for example. Some people like her and others hate her, whatever. But at the end of the day, what happens on the show isn't fanservice to her, but a stagnant character that is devolving into a 2-D character. She can go join Snow and Rumple, lol.

Adam seems to be trying to promote fandom ideas, even if they are contrary to show stuff because he probably saw no harm and he's right to expect reasonable people, but that wasn't the case. I was talking about the ships, espacially, Hook and Emma relationship. So ships (I separate show stuff). I'll pretty much tell you this:

Intelligent CS view: Hook is great, complex character and Emma's too, but things like Camelot crowded someof the DO plot, especially Merida when we could have seen more of the Hook as DO struggle. Rumple's a piece of crap and Belle's got no self worth. Why is everyone core to the show, Emma, Hook, Snow, and David not able to interact enough to create better development?

Intelligent Other fandom view: Hook is perpetuating rape culture and the relationship is actually bad for both as both characters, especially Emma are taking a hit in their other relationships. Why is Rumple the one that can't be redeemed? (Legit question!) Why is it only for Regina and Hook, who hasn't worked as hard? Why do this to Rumple and Belle? Why is Hook uplifted at the expense of others?

It's a bit general, but that's pretty much it. Both have valid points, just a mater of perspective. That's why I separate Show Hook-Emma and others vs the CS, OQ, etc.