Board Thread:Character Discussion/@comment-25926288-20151211170125/@comment-26967699-20160614213228

PrettyBlackRosePirate wrote: CadoDoan wrote: PrettyBlackRosePirate wrote: CadoDoan wrote: PrettyBlackRosePirate wrote:

Don't like it, it's your opinion, but taking any and everything and making it Hook's fault is taking it to a new level. I find many of the "justifications" and "reasons" by people here ridiculous and more of a desperate attempt to prove themselves right than anything. At the same time, maybe some will describe my explanations as the same. That's where perception comes in. To me, it's not Hook's fault that this relation is bad for Emma. Neither Emma. You know in some movies, two normal people meet and fall in love but this meeting exposures a chaos in world.. This is just like that. It's not Hook's or Emma's fault. Ths relationship is bad because of union of Emma and Hook. They are true love yes I agree with that point. But there are more important things than being true love. They suffer and cause pain because of this relation. It's not healthy. I always think that Emma doesn't need a lover to have her happy ending. She has her son, her parents, her friends. But with Hook, she always suffers. So is Hook. Since the "I love you" scene in Operation Mongoose Part 2, (and 5A), I totally lost my love and respect for that relationship. I still don't get your point. It isn't like Emma and Killian shared TLK and apocalypse hit because of that. As far as the basic storyline goes, the only thing that's changed is that it's no longer just 'doey eyes and yearning looks', it's official dating, kissing, 'making eyes', declarations of love, etc. Yes, season 4 onwards the show has deteriorated somewhat, but you can't just say that it's because CS came together. Well, who knows? It may be because RumBelle got married, or Emma found home, or any such ridiculous reason. Maybe it's just because season 3 finale showcased a nearly happy ending, all existing issues were resolved, until the mistakes from the new 'past' caught up. It seems, forgive me if I'm taking you wrong, that you feel negatively about the ship which is why you're associating anything bad that happened with it.

@bold this idea may be why you feel negatively about them... It's not about Emma or Hook or their relation, it's about how you feel about Emma being with someone... Kinda why I might feel negatively if SwanQueen happens, 'cause I always think two people can understand each other well and support each other and yet be just friends...

If I misunderstoodyou, sorry, and please correct me I actually liked Emma&Neal or Emma&August (no, they weren't just friends at the beginning). But they aren't perfect of course. The thing is it's very hard for Emma to find a soul mate who loves her, understands her and doesn't send her family to Hell because of his girlfriend's crazy actions. She is very a diffucult woman. As I said, I really liked that relation until 5A. Especially in S3, they were very exciting and fun to watch. But the moment I realized what Emma did to him and went against to his wishes, it would be impossible for me to love that.

You must have known the tag "Cs ruined Ouat" on Twitter. There were plenty of people who respects and loves the actors but don't like the messages CS send to the viewers. Hook didn't ruin the show or Emma. But this relationship, yes, it did. We were supposed to see the Dark Swan but instead, we saw a soap opera where they kiss 3 times repedately and break up and reunite 2 times repedately in 1-2 hours. I really hoped that Hook will survive from UW and tell Emma that they are not fit together and leave the show (I knew it wouldn't happen but I just hoped :D ) So you're saying that this one season ruined the ship for you? Then I guess 4B ruined SnowIng too?

But if what you're saying you hold it true, it should be the other way round. Then OUaT ruined CS.

In 5A both their judgements were clouded, so I'm ready to give them a benefit of doubt, but the writers took the word 'twist' to a whole new level and the entire arc went downhill, and was way overdone.

Giving a personal opinion, Emma's choice didn't ruin CS  for me. I understand her decision and likely would have done the same. The Dark Hook stint however was grossly over the top and I've more or less taken to erasing it or at least dismissing it from memory. I feel 5A could have been better, but no it didn't ruin CS for me. S5 didn't ruin it by itself. It has already started to since the beginning of S4. I liked them yes but I never loved it blindly. And I don't think there is something I shouldn't like between Snow and David in 4B. It was more like between Snowing and Emma.

A show really can ruin a relationship which it takes place in that show? We can't say that the writers are the ones who should be blamed about everything. It's a fictional show. Emma tried to "save" Hook. We can't say that it's the writers' fault. It's Emma's. I don't like to blame the writers except the ways of setting.

I undertand Emma too in that moment but that doesn't mean I agree with her or say that I would have done the same thing. That action was wrong in any circumstances and I don't want to say myself "But they are twu luvv. They can make mistake of course". It was beyond a mistake, more like a betrayal.