Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-1475805-20150331011255/@comment-25602483-20150409171901

Eskaver wrote: Ok, one post at a time.

1) Pause. Rumple was hit with a heavy dose of dreamshade which he can not heal under his own power. He was weakened to a great extent prior to reaching Storybrooke that even attempting to use magic could kill him. So, in the case of Rumple's immortality, he is immortal when their is magic. He has magic again, so he is immortal, which means he can't die of old age unless he was on the deathbed and so weakened he would die that instant before entering Storybrooke. Plus, long lived beings don't rapidly age in LWM. Ursula is almost as old as Hook and she didn't rapidly age and die of old age (she is like 200). Neither Hook nor Neal died even though they are 200+ years. So, the same would go for Rumple.

2) I agreed with you, lol. So moving on...

3) Emma's probably a poor choice for an example on my part. What I was going for is, Rumple channels power through the dagger (Dagger absorbs power, Rumple has magic). The dagger also is similar to a wand, since he sometimes uses it for spells. Example, Blue Fairy used her wand and blue light engulfed August and turned him into Pinocchio. Rumple used his dagger and blue light engulfed (likely just undoing her spell) and Pinocchio turned into August.

4) Ok, it's wonderful to support someone's theory. I was just curious to see if those questions could be answered.

5) I'll agree with you that magic might be needed to destroyed. I wonder though if the dagger is magic, then what Rumple said likely holds true "Magic isn't destroyed, only changed forms."

6) I know what Glinda said but she also said her magic wasn't strong enough, but she didn't try or had the chance to do so. She also said the strongest purveyor of light magic can defeat Zelena, but Regina did instead. Light magic was said to be needed to remove the pendant, but it wasn't used. Zelena was blasted and stunned, then Regina ripped the pendant off her. Light magic was only needed to go against Zelena's powers since I doubt she'll just let them close to her.

I understand the principle you are going for and I'd agree, but that wasn't shown in that battle. Maybe if Light magic was used and it blasted the pendant, then fine. However, it didn't remove it Regina's hand did that. If we go by that principle, Regina's singular hatred was greater than or equal to three sister's love (lol, then how did she think she'd defeat Rumple if that bond was so weak) and that Regina's weakened love is greater than or equal to Zelena's (powerful) hatred. Rumple would die regardless of whether he was in SB or New york city when it happened. Dreamshade is a magical plant and rumple is immortal not invinsible, magic can kill him, hence, dreamshade poison can kill him and he can't counteract it with his own magic even if he was just poison and a minute after return to SB where there is magic. What i'm saying here is that Magic maintain's rumple old age, howerver, if he stayed too long outside of world without magic, my point here is that it will eventually take a toll on his body, technically his body is centuries old so he is aging in time, but biologically not, however, if magic were remove, it would make sense for the body to catch up on the fact that it has existed for centuries, hence, the side effect of what I was mentioning before would be somethign to do with him physically. It will not be quick, which is why the flashback of him being in a hospital in New york might have something to do with that (assumptions/a maybe statement).

Secondly, you can't say they don't age rapidly in LWM, u never know, since ursula can travel through realms, it might be the she stayed in NVL for some time, therefore, she won't age before returning to EF. or maybe she occasionally visit EF and then return to NVL, we know this because she knew that Hook was under Pan's control, so she could be living in NVL for some time. However, you might have a point seeing as Cruella didnt' age, So I kinda agree and disagree at the same time, Cruella isn't enough to support this theory. And since you mentioned this "but that wasn't shown in that battle" then you can't do the same with your theory of magical beings aged differently in LWM because it wasn't shown the in between timelines of being in EF and LWM. For all we know like I said above, ursula crosses realms all the time and we know that she has been to Neverland. It wasn't shown on screen.

Glinda has more than once chance to do so. I would assume since she has one, she would know its weaknesses and how it can be removed. Its not that glinda isn't powerful, her brand of magic isn't as strong as Regina's or Emma's. Glinda is inherently good, hence, she could use light magic, however, Emma and Regina can use light magic, more specifically light magic created from love, which is the strongest form of light magic. There is a difference between light magic created from being a good individual and light magic that is born through true love. I would also like to point out, although its not out yet, the promo of heart of gold, rumple asked robin to steal the elixir from Zelena, if the pendant can be remove by just hand, Rumple could have taken advantage of this weakness and battle zelena until he has the chance to remove the pendant rendering her powerless (just theory since the episode isn't out yet), but this clearly make sense, rumple had that chance if he really was the most powerful wizard in all the realms, he could have contested that.

The rest I think we agree on :) Cheers!.