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Lady Junky wrote: Now I get the problem.

The problem in your suggestion Nick is that a lot of your "facts" are wrong, but also you're mixing differents notions.

First of all, Alexandra has never been taken back to EF in 311. This is a supposition that you're doing cos of Regina's dialogue. Sure, she prolly went back but it is a supposition so not a fact. We can"t use it

For Neal, well also a problem. Henry was included in the alternate universe. The alternate universe had two parts. The first one where Henry woke up: empty SB, in a LWM where Isaac was a successful author. The second part was the world in Isaac's book. Saying that Henry was not included in the alternate universe cos not an EF origin is not an argument, it is a mistake. Henry was not included because he was not born in a magical realm. He was born in the LWM, at Phoenix. Neal was born at SB, which is a magical land in the LWM. Different cases, so different points.

Then, the problem of your wording. From what I am reading, you're mixing different notions. Because Neal's and Alexandra's conceptions happened in the EF, it makes them EF origin so EF characters? Well, that's wrong.

An origin is not determined by the country of your conception. When people are talking about their country of origin, they are either talking of the country where they were born or the country where they were raised as children. In any case, people are talking about the country of their conception. Admitting your conception happened in Germany, does it mean that Germany is your country of origin, or it is the country where you were born? Of course, it is the second one. What's important in the origin of someone (and a character), is the place of its birth, not the place where its parents did sex to have it.

So both Neal and Alexandra are SB characters and origin, and not EF. So we don't need the split counterpart template for them :) Although it was not definitively seen or mentioned, Alexandra's return to EF in 3x11 does not need to be confirmed, it's just common sense. If she was not returned to EF and remained within Storybrooke's borders after the town disappeared, she would be a young baby in the middle of nowhere with no one to care for her; she would starve to death. Her reappearance with Ashley in 4x07 shows that she's still alive, so she must have gone back to EF in the missing year and has obviously returned. Adam even confirmed in a tweet that she was meant to be 18 months old in 4x07, so time for her has obviously passed as she returned to EF.

Also, the fact about conception determining the world you are from was discussed in detail here. The OUAT universe is very different from our own what with magic altering reality in many ways, so with the evidence presented in-universe and through official OUAT media, our use of country determining conception cannot fully apply in OUAT.