Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-25617908-20151229021726/@comment-25926288-20151229162913

CoolDudeAl wrote: Eskaver wrote: If there is no reason for a character to lie, then it's a retcon or inconsistency.

There is no reason for Cora to lie, but she might have not lied and simply failed. Lumiere has absolutely no reason to lie because what?

"The Vault of the DO where the first DO was born" versus "Where the DOs are reborn into Darkness" or even "where DOs are known to be born".

It's like the Apprentice and the whole "Merlin tethered the Darkness to a human soul and tethered it." Which is a complete flop as it wasn't even close to true. That is a retcon because the Apprentice was thee and he had no reason to lie. I guess I just expect heresay to be inaccurate. XD And that's what we're not suppose to do, XD. It's no fun if everything is a lie. To use Occam's Razor or whatever, the simplest expectation is that whatever is said is the truth until shown otherwise.

If Tamara and Greg say they no who they are working for and then later in the same episode or two show that they don't, that's fine. But if you present info that has no reason to be wrong, it's a retcon. Snow White saying the "prettier than her" is a retcon but also can be seen as a lie. It's both. They obviously had a plan, but they had Snow in a default "prettier than her" mode until they could retcon it. And it was a good retcon.

As I'll put it, comic books go through multiple retcons and multiple continuities and it's not seen as something bad, so I'm not sure why you can't accept that it happens. I'm not saying they didn't plan it, but it's an instrument of change.

Season 3 was heavy DO mythos and then season 4 added to it and then to say all of that was a lie is still a retcon. Lumiere had no reason to lie and Zelena had no reason to give Lumiere info for a lie because why would she? It doesn't matter if Zelena told them the first DO wasn't made there. That didn't matter at all. They simply didn't plan it at that point and later retconned it. Perfectly fine in doing so and we can say that noone lied.

A real retcon is Merlin being in a tree for 1000 years when it's only been 500 and the characters constantly saying it.