Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-25926288-20151128221143/@comment-8345449-20151129150302

Eskaver wrote: However, especially noticaeable in season 4 and beyond, ONCE has beeen seemingly pointing to murder as the chief of all sins. Not theft, not lying, not jealousy and the actions it causes you to do, not ruining someone else's life, and especially not adultery. Lying and adultery are bad but I don't see how they can be compared with taking a life. You can still make it up to a person if you lie or cheat on them. And you can still earn forgiveness as Hook did with Ursula after ruining her life. However, if you kill someone, there is no going back.

That is not to say that I think Hook, Rumple, Regina and other villains who have killed don't deserve to be redeemed or have a happy ending, but in the end no matter how much good they do, the victims they have killed will always be a stain on their past. There is no way for them to earn forgiveness for it (despite what Hook says).

The best they can do is to try to do what Snow and Charming promised to do - help as many people as they can, be as good as possible, lead exemplary lives etc.

Eskaver wrote: Also, how do you feel about the whole "Heroes don't kill" (or murder mentality the show has presented for designating a difference between those good and bad? There is a difference between murder and killing. Murder is generally considered to be taking a life without reasonable moral justification. Soldiers killing enemy combatants or policemen shooting criminals in self-defense is generally not considered murder. Murder is killing but killing is not necessary murder.

In the case of Emma killing Cruella, I don't consider that murder. Her actions were done to save someone's life, even if Emma at that time didn't know that Henry was not in any danger. If a policeman shot a criminal who was pointing a gun at an innocent and he only knew afterwards that the barrel was empty, would you consider that murder?

Do you think they'll show a villain not amped on potentially killing people? They would be rather minor villains since it would seem that there are lines they do not cross. And I think they have shown those, in the case of Whale and Jefferson and perhaps Will and Robin (they both had rather shady pasts).