Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-4519633-20141022032431/@comment-25602483-20160502201236

Eskaver wrote: TheSamTrickster wrote: Eskaver wrote: ΚΟΜΙΞ wrote: Eskaver wrote: I totally gave up trying ebcause the writers don;'t really seem to give a hoot about power levels and magic rules and stuff.

But in 520, Pan showed or stated his power level above Zelena. Not that we didn't know, but it's nice confirmation. Emma also blasted Pan. Didn't knock him out or something but did push him back, so while Pan might think Zelena's no big deal, Emma did at least nudge him, so that counts for something. Pan still had magic and something about the shadow, I forget.

So Pan > Zelena, Emma not too far behind Pan, Hades way beyond Cora, Regina, and Emma.

The episode did have me think the BW was stronger than Regina, lol. But that was Hades. Zelena had no magic so that's why he didn't care.... Also, he tried to take Henry's heart once and he failed. I still don't see this as a comfirmation... A spell can be broken... Next episode promo shows Zelena taking care of Emma... So this makes her stronger than Emma?! Zelena's protection spell exisgt you know. Zelena's stronger than Regina and when Hook came with Regina's magic on his Hook, he failed to rip out her heart. It's in 5x01, lol. Pan unlike Regina's magic was able to to bypass Zelena's protection spell. Therefore, Pan is stronger than Regina and Zelena, but we already knew that XD.

Promos can be misleading. We'll have to wait and see. This doesnt make sense at all, because first of all i read that there was an assumption of regina and cora and zelena being same level in magical prowess, yet Regina was the only one in the entire series, other than hades, to have been able to take Emman's heart out of her chest. Cora wasn't able to do so before, and Zelena can't even touch Emma at all in season 3, so in the promo, its kinda weird that she is now able to, considering she is much weaker post pendant. So the theory that just because pan was able to penetrate Zelena's protection spell makes him stronger and that its a confirmation is likely false.

It is also important to take note, that they had to put the bracelet on Zelena's wrist considering she was outnumbered, this suggest that Zelena is stronger than we initally thought. She even said that she tried to stopped rumple and pan, but she was restricted by the bracelet.

I think the reason Pan said he was better at magic is mostly based on his experience, I mean he lived for hundreds of years already, so that would give you an extreme magical knowledge, hence, advantage no matter how good your opponent is, if they are half a decade old or less, lol. Theory is that Emma has to let down her "walls" or rather, her magical protection around her heart for weaker people to take it, unless you're Hades and you're very powerful. Thus, Regina only was able to because Emma's potection was down and Emma allowed it. Now, we don't know if Regina can do it without Emma being willing, but we saw what happen to Cora.

Zelena isn't weak, because Rumple declared her stronger than Cora, before Zelena ever got the pendant. Think of Zelena with the pendant as closer to Pan's level and without it, closer to Regina's.

Zelena being cuffed could mean that she didn't put up much a fight because I doubt she actually tried fighting Rumple and Pan who are both stronger than her.

I still say that Pan doesn't nearly have the magical knowledge that Rumple's students have. They might have studied for decades, but Pan hasn't shown any studying because he just simply "is". How do I know? Compare their versatilty to Pan. Pan has better raw power, but doesn't have the magical knowledge. His magic works a little bit differently. I agree with some of the things you said, but I didn't say Zelena is weak, I said Zelena is weaker than her wicked witch with pendant counter part.