Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-4821842-20141110162131/@comment-25602483-20141112225743

Hmcooper4 wrote: '''First, as someone else posted earlier, I picutre the Urn as something similar to a Genie's lamp. They are Trapped inside unable to escape without outside help, but have full awareness of what's going on otherwise. So 20 or so years of solitude would give someone plenty of chance to practice controlling themselves and their magic. Consider that Ingrid heard Hans utter the term Monster in the conversation with Elsa, and she commented on it right before she made him a Human Corpsicle.''' Now, having said that, I concede that it is possible that Ingrid was free of the Urn and allowed herself to be trapped again to lure Elsa. And I had actually considered that the Storm that killed the King and Queen was summoned by Ingrid (and it would make sense, given what we've seen). But in that case, who let Ingrid OUT of the urn the first time? When was she retrapped, and who set the Urn up to be found by both Kristoff and Hans? My guess, if these scenerio is actually true, is that Rumple is in this WAY deeper that anyone thought, in which case, I would be careful if I were Ingrid, because Rumples deals have a way of backfiring on the persons that make the deals. Even though she was aware, if the Urn was in that cave for 20 years, you can't just know a lot of spell. When she was trapped, she barely have the ability to use her ice power, let alone learn the choking spell (Dark magic), and the shattering sight spell and what is needed without a master, or mentor, but we know that Rumple didn't train her so there must be others like her. If she had the opportunity to practice magic inside the urn, then we should assume that Ingrid mastered her ice magic only, but we know that Ingrid also knows dark magic, the chocking spell is the most common spell i've seen used by dark magic practicioners. So, if Gerda went straight into the cave to hide her away after she trapped her then she should only know and have mastered ice magic as that was initially she thought she only had. I mean Elsa has been alive for 21 years without any restriction and yet she has yet to master her ice power, and Anna's love only  helps to calm her down to some extent but not completely. Wasn't Elsa basically trapped in her own room in total solitutude as well? Even Regina isn't even that strong with all that time she spent learning with rumple and freedom to control her abilities.