Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26184894-20150614234938/@comment-25926288-20150617202516

Kingfan22 wrote: Hmcooper4 wrote: One comment right off the bat is that it was not really 2 witches, more like a witch and her apprentice. Neverland is the first time we see Emma really try to learn magic, and she is a total novice. Her magic was never going to factor into defeating Pan in any significant way.

The most powerful Wizard did ultimately defeat Pan. But Gold's problem was not a lack of power, but emotional attachment. Despite a lot of hard feelings, Rumple still wanted to have a relationship with Malcolm. In this particular case, Love was a weakness. One that only a stronger love was able to help him finally overcome (his love for Bae and Belle).

And Regina did have a victory over Pan when she got Henry's heart back.

Pan was not invincible. He was presented as extremely powerful and dangerous. And, it's my opinion that he was portrayed in exactly that way. If there was a little bit of Hype (or more like some minor Hyperbole), that is no different than things I see in our world. Athletes, Actors, and World Leaders are all sometimes portrayed to be more than they really are (and this can really be said about anybody).

I have a feeling that we are going to disagree on this, and that's ok. we just see things differently. I think we do disagree on what powerful is. I think under your definition of power king James can be looked at as being more dangerous than zelena. From a pure magical standpoint however, there was nothing seemingly stopping Emma(she could help I mean she help move the moon), gold, and Regina from walking in to pans camp and defeating him. That's just called Plot-Induced Stupidity (For the Plot!). It happens alot in shows, movies, and books. Once is a victim of it quite frequently since some things could obviously be avoided, like Why Regina and Emma never got the scroll back from Ursula and Cruella, or Why not rip out one of their hearts and force them to spill the beans. You or I could solve the plot easily, but that's just it. Another version of that is Character Induced Stupidity which is just who the character is and why it limits them; i.e. Regina's naturally impulsive.

Another thing is the worldbuilding/ magicbuilding is decent but not all together and is written at a retrospective glance.