Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26221372-20150421072041

1. Most of the villains are still alive and kicking; Mal', Rumple, Zelena, Regina, hook, Ursula.

2. Some of these villains are reformed but they chose to do that and most are, by their own admission, not out of danger yet; Regina, hook.

3. The villains that are actually dead were not defeated by the hero's alone, Cora and Pan. Most of the major victories are down to Rumple and/or Regina's assistance.

4. Villains killing themselves or voluntarily backing down or dying 'naturally' doesn't count as the hero's defeating them in my book.

5. Neither does villains defeating each other without any hero's involvement.

6. No hero has ever been able to score anything but minor victories against Rumple/Gold; Belle temporarily banishing Rumple from storybrooke is closest any of them has ever come to defeating him.

7. After 4 years the Final Battle is still raging and the hero's don't appear to have gained any ground. As of the last few episodes they appear to be loosing.  