Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-34924658-20160126075725

Farerb wrote: CoolDudeAl wrote: Tysonjackson wrote:

CoolDudeAl wrote:

Tysonjackson wrote: http://onceuponatime.wikia.com/wiki/User:Tysonjackson/Antagonists Here is a user page I made a while ago as a testing thing to kinda show what I am talking about. Or even listing it in the page somewhere. Like in the notes "Regina was the primary antagonist for Season 1". It's very informative and with a show like this that doesn't just have antagonists, but rather has arcs centering on them, I think it should be noted at least somewhere. :/ The problem with your list is that it is over-simplifying the show. Hook was an antagonist in season 2, Issac was an antagonist in 4B, and I don't think Emma was really an antagonist in 5A. It was more Nimue or The Darkness. As well as Arthur and Zelena. This is the problem with having it as a category/page/etc. I haven't updated it since Nimue and the others entered the picture in 5a. And Hook wasn't a main for s2. He was secondary for both halves. Cora was main. As for Isaac, S4b's antagonist is up for debate. Rumple is the antagonist but for the first half he's joined in the role by the Queens. In the second half he receives help from Isaac, but they aren't really equal partners. :/ And there within lies the problem to trying to do a page for this. Too many posibilities. I agree. Too many opinions in here. S2, 4B and 5A complicates things because there were millions of villains, I mean can we actually say that Greg and Tamara were big bads if it is revealed that they were minions of Pan? can we actually say that Cruella and Ursula were big bads if they had no real impact or climax on the show? Can we actually say that Emma was a big bad if all she did was speaking in a monotonic voice?

Well S2 was Cora for the first half and Tamara and Greg for the second. They were still minions of Pan but they were the biggest problem of that arc and were the ones personally responsible for everything. As for 5A, Emma and Nimue manipulated almost everything in the plot. Emma's plot was good but her methods were not (Tricking people) so she's still a big bad if you ask me. Hook can be considered one but he was being used and manipulated by Nimue since the beginning of his big bad arc. And as for Cruella and Ursula, each of the Queens (this includes Rumple) had their own individual endgame in mind and would manipulate whatever they could to get it. So while Rumple was the one in charge, the Queens were still able to hold on their own and Cru/Urs even manipulated Rumple to a certain extent ("She didn't even mention your name, darling") and without those two, he never would've made it to Storybrooke. So yes, I say they count as big bads. 