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KnocknickKnock wrote: DracoWombat wrote: KnocknickKnock wrote: Eskaver wrote: KnocknickKnock wrote: Emma is way to high. People are giving her way too much credit. The only person she took out with her magic is Cruella. She has nowhere near the power of the Dark one and never has on her own.

Tier 1: The Gods(Not even Rumple with all the dark ones power could go against Hades).

Tier 2: The Dark Ones

Tier 3: Ingrid, Evil Queen, Cora, Zeleena

Tier 4: Maleficent, Elsa

Tier 5: Emma, Blue Fairy The difference is that you're looking at feats (or at least battle feats). Emma's stronger than Regina raw power-wise. Regina beats her only in magical knowledge. I mean, I could say that Emma outsped the Evil Queen and she prevent her from using magic in the finale which was true. (Ingrid showed that she could overcome the cuff spell Emma put on her). The thing that I don't understand is why you downgrade Emma so much. She's surely stronger than Elsa. I mean, Emma was worried about destroying Elsa with her haywire magic. Elsa has range, but she really can do two things: blast ice and make snow items.

Although, personally in my headcanon, they're (Emma, Zelena, Regina, and Cora) all around the (roughly) same raw power level. Emma was only able to put the hand cuffs on The Evil Queen because she didn't have her magic yet. Snow even says so before Regina uses the potion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqfMXp3Ji2Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqfMXp3Ji2I

Also Emma blasted Elsa snow monster and only made it mad while Regina's 1 Fire Ball completely destroyed it. Clearly Elsa and Regina are superior to Emma. Not to mention Emma could use her magic to bring down Elsa snow Wall. It is clear as day Elsa is stronger than Emma and Regina is stronger than Emma.

I am not downgrading Emma but by feats alot of other characters trump her. You keep bringing up raw power but Emma doesn't have more raw power if her Light blast couldn't take out Elsa Snow monster but Regina's fire ball could. Or if Emma light magic couldn't take out Zeleena but Regina light magic could. Emma isn't as strong as you claim. You clearly aren't taking feats into consideration when ranking her so high. But feats are supposed to be ignored. Power levels are almost entirely defined by word of god in this show. If we did take feats into consideration, then Regina wuld be right up there on tier two, and we know she isn't. Emma is inexperienced with magic and can't use it efficiently. She can't even summon a fireball and has just VERY recently learned how to teleport, and needed Dark Clippy to teach her how to do that. But we all know she is one of the show's most powerful magic users; her magic stems from Snowing's True Love, which is one of the most powerful forces in the Onceverse. She has some instinctive magic too, and is so far the only character besides Zelena who can confirmably protect themselves from a heart ripping. You are speculating that Emma is immensely powerful though. Rumple has feats that would put him above Regina same with Hades and Zeus. We can go by feats you just don't want to because Emma would be at the bottom. Saying Emma hasn't fully harnessed her power yet isn't an excuse to put her higher on a list. You can only go off were she currently is. Otherwise you will be doing alot of Speculation.

Also Regina used a spell to protect Henry heart that even Pan couldn't rip it out. I do admit I forgot about Regina casting a protection spell on Henry's heart.

Rumpel has no feats that could possibly trump Regina casting the Dark Curse. Not to mention the hundreds of smaller feats of Regina's that are far more flashy and flamboyant than most of what Rumpel does. We know that Rumpel is more powerful than Regina through show canon, but we've never seen Rumpel do anything that would be impossible for Regina to do. Not that I remember, at least. We've been told that he's more powerful than she is, and it makes entire sense. But we've never been directly shown that, because Rumpel simply isn't as flashy and overbearing a spellcaster. If we were to take feats into consideration, then Ingrid would be up on tier one! She's the only one who's ever been able to trap an entire kingdom in ice that takes thirty years to melt!

But no other magic users have ever had any reason to do that. That's the problem when analyzing things only by feats. Certain characters have reasons to do certain things, and to not do others, and those reasons often have nothing to do with power levels. Judging by feats, Hades would definitely not be on tier one. He's be on tier two at best. He just didn't get a lot of screentime. Screentime matters to this too.

In Once, what the writers say often reveals a lot more to us than what the writers show. And we can use a simple thing called a syllogism to deduce that Emma is indeed one of the most powerful magical users in this show:

Premise 1, confirmed canon: True Love is one of the most powerful magics in Once

Premise 2, confirmed canon: Emma's magic [stems from, and thus] is Snowing's True Love

Conclusion: Emma's magic is one of the most powerful magics in Once

Emma is untrained and unexperienced, but that doesn't mean that she's not powerful. That'd be like saying that a 5-year-old child in unintelligent. She needs time and practice, but she's already quite powerful, even if not skilled. Recognizing show canon, that is, that she's powerful but untrained, isn't speculation. No one's ever said Emma is a skilled magic user, but that she's ''powerful. ''