Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-25926288-20160425010026/@comment-24674051-20160425171504

Frulna wrote: Hmcooper4 wrote: Frulna wrote: Am I the only one that thought abducting Zelena was a good idea? Rumple now has something Hades wants and can now make a deal. Zelena's safe return for Hades destroying the baby contract. If Rumple works fast enough Zelena can be returned before anyone besides Hades knows she is gone and if he explaons his plan to Emma and co they might even be ok with it as long as he doesn;t harm Zelena. They are friends with Belle and would want to help her be able to keep her baby. I do hope that the sack was lined with squid ink though, that way it would immobilize Zelena as soon as it touched her. I see your point, but if that's the case, then Rumple is screwing over dear old dad one last time. so no matter the outcome, Pan gets screwed in the end.

But seriously, how many of Rumple's plans have ever worked out they way he intended? Something always backfires with his plans. and this one has so many ways it can blow up in his face it's laughable. He'll be lucky if he's not fish food (which we know he won't be). Rumple doesn't have to screw over Pan, he could've promised Pan he could take Rumple's place among living if Pan helped Rumple keep his unborn child safe. Or helping Rumple save his unborn child could be what Pan needs to complete his unfinished business and move on to a better place. There is a way for it to work out in everyne except Zelena and Hades favor. With only four episodes left this season this could also end up being the leverage the group needs to get their names off of headstones and be able to leave. I doubt they will still be in the Underworld when the season ends. Here's the situation as I see it, taking into account the possibility of Rumple using Zelena as leverage.

1. Rumple is seriously going to have Zelena stay in the UW so that dear old dad can return to the living. That can only end in upsetting Hades, since Hades wants to both be with Zelena and leave the UW (stated end game when he proposed to Zelena), and that can't happen if Rumple succeeds with this plan. and even if Rumple can stand up to Hades, I doubt that Pan can, and Pan will be easily taken down. (That's not even factoring in a really pissed off Regina).

2. Rumple used Zelena as leverage against Hades. If it doesn't work, end result is almost identical to #1 above. If it Does work, then Pan is not able to leave the UW, and that right there screws him over.

3. Your suggestion that Rumple might give Pan HIS spot. I just don't see that happening. Rumple wants to return to SB, with Belle. If it comes down to Rumple staying in the UW or Pan staying in the UW, then Pan is screwed. Rumple has stated time and again that when it comes to a choice between what he wants and what someone else wants, his choice prevails if there is any conflict. And Rumple's end game is getting back to SB with Belle and his unborn child.

4. Helping Rumple save his unborn child is Pan's unfinished business? Again, I see where you are going, I just don't buy it. Pan's unfinished business, like James and Cruella, is self-centered. And moving on to the better place is not Pan's Goal. Pan's goal was stated in SotD, and that is to return to the Living. The people that moved on to the better place were never trying to return to the Living (and that includes Cora).

I honestly don't see any way that this can work out well for Pan, unless one of the other characters decides to act completely out of character. At this point, Pan's best case scenerio is that he is allowed to live in the UW and never move on. (my opinion)