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Toma Cre wrote: Aine1989 wrote: 1. For 28 years Emma had no one. Yet she didn't turn into a mass murderer!

I am pretty sure Regina and Emma were talking about the recent Dark Swan events and not Emma's childhood life in general.

But even if that were the case, Emma wasn't trapped in a loveless marriage, had her true love killed in front of her eyes by a domineering mother, and most importantly, she didn't have an all-powerful DO with the ability to see the future actively trying to turn her evil.

Recall that Snow might have turned as evil as Regina after she drank the potion given to her by Rumple that made her forget love. It was just fortunate for her that David was there to pull her back from the brink of darkness using TLK.

Okay but it's still not fair on Emma for Regina to compare her EQness to the Dark Swan. Regina wasn't cursed, Emma was.

2. "Her karma will still be there." She said this. She wants to be free of consequences. If she wanted to be a better person she could, oh I don't know, try to be a better person?

Are you seriously saying that she has never tried?

Yes.

3. You realise that Killian had to work in order to ge that love in the first place. He had to start changing before anyone gave him the time of day!

What has that got to do with anything? He worked for Emma's love, he got it and that's great for him. But that doesn't mean he is forgiven for his past sins to others like what he stated.

I meant that he had to work to get the SB gang to trust him-by taking them to NL, saving Henry, getting Emma. What I mean is he had to work to be the person they love, the person worthy of forgiving.

He wears the rins as a reminder to be better, to be the person he is now.

Except that wasn't what he said, he said the rings were a reminder that if someone loves you then all sins are forgiven.

Okay, fine. I see it that way because he wears those rings even when he's not a villain, so they serve as a reminder of his past. I see the "love=forgiveness" line as "You feel forgiven when someone loves you cuz they see someone worthy of forgiveness."

Also, what? When has Killian acted like Killian and Hook were two different people, or blamed his darkness on others? NEVER! He was put the blame on himself, every time.

I would agree that this is one point where Hook is superior to Regina because Regina does have the tendency to place blame on others instead of looking towards herself. However, recall that one episode where Hook blamed his "evil hand" on his misdeeds even though it was all him all along?

But it is not really relevant to what I was contending though - that Hooks seems to think that because he found Emma's love, his sins are forgiven (by his own words).

He didn't get a 'GOOJF'  card-he got a reward for getting the pages that told them how to defear Hades. Without them, they never would have been able to defeat Hades in the first place (and he rsiked his own soul and saved Arthur). Unlike Regina, he had to work to prove himself. So it wasn't "minimal" it was the whole freaking reason they defeated Hades. Herc and Meg didn't help defeat Hades and are currently having fun in Paradise.

Hades was defeated because Zelena stabbed him with the crystal which she already knew from Hades was very powerful. Even if she didn't know that it could kill a God, in that kind of situation, the only logical thing was to have used it against Hades (if only to injure him so that Regina could get away).

Still, thanks to him, she knew it would kill him. I think Zelena may be a bit wiser than to stab a god with something she didn't know could hurt him.

Hook didn't really help all that much in the underworld arc. Cerberus was killed by Snow, Herc and Megara. Gold was the one who discovered a way into Hades' lair so that Emma could rescue Hook. The storybook pages were found by Liam who would have hid them if Emma didn't detect him lying (and which Hook actually admonished her for).

Sorry he was a little busy being tortured to help out! About Liam; he apologised and admitted she was right. If your SO came up to you and said 'Hey I think your sibling aka the only family you've ever known is lying to you' while said sibling was like 'No!' would you believe him or the SO?

He got Snow out of the UW.

If Herc and Meg hadn't helped Snow defeat Cerberus, then there would be no way to enter Hades' lair (even after Hades left the underworld), so Hook would never have gotten those Storybook pages. So if you say Hook helped defeat Hades, then you can't discount Hercules' and Megara's role either.

Okay now you're nitpicking. You might as well say "Well if it wasn't for Cerberus killing Hercules in the first place then they never would have found Hades' liar and Hook never would have found the pages, so really Cerberus should get an extra chance at life!"