Board Thread:Character Discussion/@comment-25926288-20151211170125/@comment-26159109-20160229112803

PrettyBlackRosePirate wrote: Farerb wrote: PrettyBlackRosePirate wrote: Okay, so as you have pointed out that this post is about Emma-Henry relation, can you please point out how exactly did Emma-Hook relation tarnish Emma-Henry relation?

Hook didn't ask her to abandon her son and romance with him. And as far as I know, she didn't do that either. In season 4, the lack of their scenes together was more bcoz Henry was busy with Regina to find her happy ending. I don't find it incredibly necessary for Emma to run after him throughout begging for his attention or whatever you want her to do, especially as she had an ice wall and an ice queen to handle. Her 'quiet moments' with Hook occurred mainly bcoz he was accompanying her to investigate.

Hook didn't ask her to break Henry's heart. She did it (as the dark one) in order to free Merlin.

Taking everyone's memories was as much of saving everyone else as saving Hook. And yes, she was selfish in saving him and turning him into dark one, but do you think if it was Henry, or Charming, or Snow in his place she wouldn't have done that? Hook has become as much family as them for her.

So pray tell me how you arrived at that conclusion. I certainly fail to see it. Hook tried to kill Henry twice, plus he tried to abduct him without informing Emma or Regina to cover his lies. Emma decides or somehow lets Henry come to the underworld to save the person who tried to kill him after Mr Gold describe the Underworld as a dangerous place.

Emma (or rather the witers) turned Henry (and Snow and Charimg) into a minor secondary character in Emma's life, just so she would be more focused on Hook. This is actually not healthy and makes Emma too much dependent on a guy. Hook might have been the one to let Emma make her own choice, which was a bad decision back then considering she almost crashed someone's heart, but then they presented it as if he was the one that can distract her or help her overcome the darkness. They presented it as if Emma was weak and only a man can make her overcome the darkness, she never did it on her own, except in 507, which was tarnished by the fact that again they turned it to be about a guy in 508. Emma erasing everyone's memory didn't help or benefited anyone other than Hook and covering the fact that Hook was turned into a dark one and cold blooded murdered someone without any hesitation. It was actually reckless of her to let everyone unknowingly interact with a dangerous man throughout season 5A. That's the point! THE WRITERS turned Henry into a secondary character, HOOK didn't. And it wasn't for Hook-Emma relationship. I daresay Emma and Regina had more meaningful screen time together in season 4 than Emma and Hook, especially 4A. Yes, Emma-Henry scenes were less, but really I don't know what's forcing people to say Hook is responsible for that.

I'm not defending what Hook did, I agree it was horrible. But almost every character has done something horrible. Doesn't necessarily mean they're unforgivable. Emma, the person with most powerful light magic, the person who was born without darkness, if she can break her own son's heart and be forgiven, same goes for Regina, maybe we can forgive Hook for playing evil for two days (literally). Let's note that when he was not infected by 'darkness', he did try to keep his internal darkness at bay.

The 'kidnapping Henry' part is a feeble excuse, coz he was more of the victim there. Quoting from the show, Zelena had pushed him into a corner. He tried to find a third option without telling anyone (not a crime, is it?). It wasn't to cover his lies, as far as I can see.

Depends on how you look at it. It's not about a man, imo. It's about a person. In this case, it was Hook. If you're singlemindedly opposed to the heroine having a love interest, no one can help it. Many people enjoy romance, many people do like it when a character has more than just blood relatives to love her. I like Hook because he tries to understand Emma, see things from her pov and convince her using that insight. So I like him being with her, even if it were just as a friend I wouldn't have minded. It's not about Emma being in a romantic relationship, it's when that relationship becomes everything about Emma and not just a part of her. Her romantic relationship is what drives her character and story and not she, herself as an independent character.

Emma's entire arc in 5A was about Hook and his feelings. She never delt with the darkness on her own, we always see her falling apart, making dreamcatchers until Hook comes along to "save" her, and eventually she risk and endager everyone she supposedly still loves for his sake alone.

We barely saw her interact with her son and her parents. The only time it happened was in 505, and that was a great episode because they allowed Emma be something more than just Hook's girlfriend that needs him to "save" her.

In 510 Emma just stand there while she lets Hook insult her. A strong female character, and for that matter the old Emma, would have called him out and proved him wrong because she should know that her family loves her and they would do anything for her, but let him say those things like they are some kind of truths that she has to accept. It contradicted what Emma once told Ashley once that people don't define who you are, which is really a perfect example to the devolution of Emma as a strong character.