Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-4050367-20140717023819/@comment-25602483-20150316204350

GothicNarcissus wrote: TheSamTrickster wrote: Rumple can see the future not the past. He met cora after she gave birth to Zelena, hence, he only foresaw regina, ergo, he only considered her the first born. He didn't know Zelena was cora's first born which is why he had to do magic maternity test. For the record there is such thing as firstborn. It doesn't matter whether they had different fathers, technically, Zelena was conceived first, hence, first born. With the twins, the first come is the first born, hehe first means the first one to come out. '''Yes, but no. Rumple was alive well before Cora was born, and seemed to know a big deal of the future events that would befall her family. But perhaps he didn't know about Zelena because, as many said, his future sight is not all-inclusive and she wasn't relevant to what he was looking into, namely how to get to Baelfire.'''

But if you think, it's consistent to the first born clause that, upon finding out about Zelena, he changed his mind and tried to have her cast the Curse, only to change his mind when he reaalised that the thing she loved the most was Rumple himself.

'''As for Zelena's relevance in his life through her bringing him back from the dead, I think his foresight stopped with the moment of his undoing. What could come next was never in his vision, as evidenced in his talks with Belle before Neverland and his doubt on the island. And also by the fact that he seems not to forsee much these days: most of his Hat plan was a shot in the dark and had to be rearranged several time due to sudden circumstances, until it ultimately failed.''' He can only see things that he has connection with. At the time he has no connection with cora whatsoever. The future is unpredictable even if he can see it because its  definite either way. like the foreseer foretold that  bae would lose his father which was true in both case, case 1 rumple dies in the ogre war, case 2 he lost a father when he chose power. I mean you can't just look up who will cast my curse, technically anyone can cast his curse, he just chose regina, because its subjective foretelling not objective. He said that he didn't really made Emma a saviour, but took advantage of what she was made of, made out of true love.

He never had doubts about his future in neverland he was sure. He knew his visions wont work there because time is still, hence, there is technically no future to see. since the beginning we all know that the vision ability is not that good. He also said he doesn't need to see anything in neverland as he was planning on sarcificing himself anyway.