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Farerb wrote: Aine1989 wrote: Farerb wrote: This was the weekest episode in 5B.

A few points:

While I'm glad that Emma was blamed for being selfish. I wish it came from other characters and I don't feel like it was portrayed as something serious that she needs to learn from, basically it was used as a "clue" that something is wrong with Liam and not as observing some kind of flaw with Emma. By the end of the episode, Emma didn't learn anything or didn't grow as a character.

In addition, while I agrre that Emma has become selfish, I still think that she is too good for a murdering jerk who still keeps things from his victims. I really don't get why they need to portray Hook as a martyr, he is not a martyr, he has done horrible despicable things, stop whitewash him. It's as if they are insecure about what the viewers think about him so they have to shove what a great guy he is down our throat.

Moreover, the excuse of Hook doing all those horrible things because Emma pissed him off is not acceptable. This is yet again a depiction of the battered wife syndrom. She wasn't balmed for that though. He was. The whole of that episode was showing that it was his weakness.

Also the show does not whitewash him. That would be acting like his villainy never happened. What does happen is he develops. When have they ever delt with his past crimes whether they were in flashbacks or season 2? When was he confronted for bullying a cripple? For selling a young boy to people who could have hurt him? For helping killing a village and using their bodies as a cover? For sexually assault almost every woman on the show ("when I job you with my sword...")? For leaving 4 innocent women to die (just like Hans did in Frozen) ? For kidnapping Archie? For shooting Belle? (oh wait that did happen, it was "sorry?!?"), for allowing a man die for his ship? For using Belle as a means to blackmail Rumple instead of warning her?

All of those were ignored and swept under the rug thus whitewashing him. He was a villain in season 2 and all of a sudden without any build up he was into Emma and "good" or "redeemed" in season 3. They constantly keep telling us he's redeemed and he's a hero, but it was never shown and he keeps acting like an ungreatful jerk. The only ones I can give you are blackmailing Rumple (which he confessed to but that was glossed over becaue Emma had to deal with Regina and he did face consequences for via heart ripping), Cora (in which he was nearly left to die but he was useful to them) and Archie.

Bullying a cripple? When Rumple nearly killed him.

Selling Bae? Neverland was the only place he could go since the JR couldn't leave and he did make up for it by taking the SB crew to, through and off NL to save Henry.

Leaving 4 innocent women to die (despite that one of them had just betrayed him and left HIM to die). When he was fought and nearly killed by one of them.

Sexually assaulting nearly every woman on the show? Really? I didn't know that innuendo=assault and Emma=every woman. Good to know.

DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE JOLLY ROGER? HE RAN AFTER ARIEL, TEARFULLY AND HEARTFELTLY APOLOGISED TO HER, WAS TORN APART WITH GUILT AND WAS SLAPPED IN THE FACE FOR IT!!!!

And yes there was build up to his redemption and it had nothing to do with Emma. By watching the episode, it is clear that he went to NL because he was still guilty over selling Bae and wanted to make up for it "Maybe I just needed reminding that I could,"

And he is never shown to be a hero? Remember that time he took the SB crew to the place he hated the most, while putting up with continual crap from them? Remember when he saved David's life (and didn't want anyone to know)? Remember when he told them Neal was alive and revealed something incredibly personal to save him? Remember when he put his life at risk to draw out the shadow? Remember when he traded his home so Emma would have a chance to get back to her family and didn't tell her until she kept asking him? Remember when he protected Henry from the flying monkeys, telling him "Don't stop no matter what you hear"-meaning 'even if you hear me dying, don't stop.' Remember when Rumple was going to kill him and he begged for everyone else to be spared and not him? Remember when he confessed his blackmail to Emma and said "I hope you never forgive me." Remember when he sacrificed himself in 4x22, even when he was written as a coward? Remember when he broke out of his chains and stopped Arthur from killing Snow? Remember when he would have rather died than become the Dark One? Remember when he sacrificed himself to stop the Dark One's plan? Remember when he let himself to bashed up by Cerberus to let Meg escape? Remember when he chose to be lowered into the River of Lost Souls rather than condemning anyone else? Yeah, he's obviously so selfish.

Is his redemption perfectly written? Sadly no, but it is by far one of the best on this show.