Board Thread:Spoilers!/@comment-4877635-20130614170253/@comment-1758442-20130619115138

108.49.79.202 wrote:

Now that we've seen what it is exactly that OUaT ships ALL have, what exactly that puzzle-fitting and complementing and compatability is all about, let's see why Emma and Regina won't have it.

They would, in theory, need something just as perfectly fitting, right? Their puzzle pieces would have to fit together just as well as Rumple and Belle's, or Regina and Daniel's, or Emma and Neal's. Well, that would mean that they would each get things from one another. That they each have things the other needs. And they don't. As stated, Emma has tons of baggage she needs help carrying and bearing with. At the same time, she can't have the entire world knowing, as she's got serious trust issues and it would tear her apart. She needs someone who will discretely carry all this with her, but also be able to relate to it. Regina is not that because not only is she always in a position of leadership-Queen, Mayor-which takes away a LOT of privacy, but she wouldn't be able to relate to it, because not only has her shit always been very public, but she hasn't exactly come out of it unscathed. She wouldn't be able to relate to Emma's survivalistic attitude, and she'd hold it back within Emma. Regina has many times come to the brink of death and barely escaped. Emma, aside from the Ogre incident which is irrelevant considering she didn't know what she was doing, would never allow herself to get anything short of pure survival. And she does that by often boxing in her feelings, and not letting them affect her actions. Regina is very much so the opposite-she lets her feelings get to her, and in the end they turn her into someone who is very naive and ignorant, and she doesn't weigh the consequences of her actions the way Emma does in her calculating-for-survival manner. Emma can't have that, can't have someone that holds her back. Furthermore, Regina needs someone who will give her pure freedom of choice and decision in her life, like she could get from Daniel. Emma can't give her that. Giving Regina the freedom to choose whatever she wants to do would hurt Emma, because again, Regina is not someone who calculates consequences, and in the end it would hold Emma's survivalistic nature back. Additionally, Emma couldn't give her that because Regina's aspirations will always be high, and Emma can't relate to that at all. Emma's never cared for high aspirations, nothing like that, because she never could. She could never ask for luxuries or anything like that, she always had to put surviving first. And it became who she is-in always being a survivor, Emma has learned not to care about most other things. She sees no value in power or position, for example, which Regina will always seek (and not necessarily always in a bad way, think about when Regina tried to gain Henry's favor by putting down magic, that's still in a way seeking position, seeking power), and she couldn't relate to that. Regina, additionally, also probably couldn't relate to Emma's overpoweringly strong sense of survival. Your argument has one significant flaw: you assume that certain character traits are fixed. You say that Regina will "always" seek position and power, that she isn't someone who "calculates consequences", and that she "lets her feelings get to her, and in the end they turn her into someone who is very naive and ignorant." You also say that Emma "has tons of baggage she needs help carrying and bearing with", a "survivalistic attitude", and "serious trust issues." These are character flaws''. ''They are things to be overcome. And the past two seasons show that both characters are working at overcoming them. That's what "character development" means.

You say that Regina "didn't want to be controlled, she wanted freedom, freedom of choice, and for that, she would need someone who wouldn't take that away from her" which is why she was with Daniel. Keep in mind that you're referring to pre-Evil Queen Regina. The last thing that the present-day Regina needs is a doormat. Again, character traits are not fixed. If Regina is truly on the road to redemption, she'll realize the importance of reigning in her anger. And she needs someone to help her do that.

You've actually written some pretty good analyses on these characters but they only show me why SQ would be a good idea. Emma and Regina are, as you say, opposites. Emma starts off with her emotions being too tightly controlled while Regina's aren't controlled enough. Emma has trouble trusting others while Regina is too trusting, as shown when she is easily manipulated by Cora. Over the past two seasons, Emma has been slowly overcoming her closed-off personality and her inability to trust. She is reaching a healthy middle ground and she could guide Regina there too.

Just because I'd like to see a certain ship happen eventually doesn't mean I disregard the importance of good storytelling. SQ would feel forced if it happened in the very next episode. I don't think putting Emma and Regina in a romantic relationship is a good idea now. And I honestly doubt that it will happen in-canon due to external pressures. But that doesn't mean that it is, as you say, "impossible."

//''I'll cover this last quick point before I get to my analyses of their characters and why they don't complement each other and therefore would never be romantically involved: "And pairing them together wouldn't interfere with any of the established couples." Uhm. Swanfire? Nuff said''//

They had a romance 10 years before the present and they still have an affection for each other due to their shared child. However, I don't sense any romantic feelings between them. When Emma told Neal that she loved him, I was reminded of the countless conversations between TV exes saying that they still had feelings for each other but that their relationship was over. Remember that Neal was ready to get married before Emma showed back up in his life.

''//(Like, I came back and wrote this after I finished the below, I know you can't literally "edit"): You know what, writing this, I came to realize, SwanQueen is the best thing ever and it HAS to happen. So sorry. Read on anyways.''

Ooh, look, it's three in the morning, I'm bored out of my mind, and you've offered me the opportunity to tear something apart.

I'm beginning to like you.//

''//None of the niches of their puzzle pieces fit together. Swanqueen is impossible and will never happen. Now stfu about it.//''

''//LOL YOU BELIEVED ME DIDN'T YOU. Had to pull that one. SwanQueen will never happen.//''

Please explain why you felt the need to be so snarky and snooty when I have been nothing but courteous towards everyone else in this thread.