Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-6810329-20160911021344/@comment-24264679-20160925020718

Eskaver wrote: I typed out a whole thing that apprently wasn't caught, lol. So time for a TL;DR version.

Magic tiers changed from season 3 or so to the Introduction of Frozen. Rumple was top tier but Cora, Zelena were right behind him. Regina was likely lowered down the totem pole as seasoned progressed. Frozen messes up the powerscaling as we've never seen town-sized spells without items before. This was also when the DO went from powerful wizard to essentially lesser deity level, even though feats don't back it up. Merlin created a kingdom sized Forest (and probably more) by accident with his magic. Nothing Rumple did ever came close, but WOG says they are equal.......lol.

Magic feats are a mess. Regina was trading spells with the God of Death, while Rumple did four magic spells in 5B: fireball, heart rip, tethering SB's magic, and force choke. Rumple's feats are rarely showing his tier-worthy status. (Regina did far better against Pan than Rumple in 3A even though Regina was supposedly weaker than Rumple and Pan). Peter Pan being able to go thru Zelena's heart protection, but not Henry's (via Regina) contradicts. (which goes back to me talking about magic tiers changing).

Emma's raw power is greater than Regina's. Regina said so. Using a mirror to see across realms says so as well. Regina said that she (herself wasn't strong enough) while both Zelena and Emma were able to. Taking Emma's first light pulse as a guage of her powers is not fair as if we took Regina's first fireball when she first started out, we'd put Regina at the bottom. Emma did better attacking Ice Viking than Regina, so Emma clearly just needed some practice and her power shows that.

Regina has magic finesse and skill over Emma. Emma has raw power over her. Thus, I put them at the same level. It's brains vs brawn, and I say both count to some degree. Merlin and the Dark ones has never been shown as equals. Merlin has always been shown to be superior to the dark ones which is why Rumple wanted certain items Merlin created. Merlin created a wand through his magic that could travel between lands while Rumple couldn't travel to the land without Magic. Merlin also created the power of the Author. They aren't portrayed as equals in the show and never has been.

Also you keep bring up that mirror thing but it was also said Regina couldn't defeat Zeleen but she did. It was also stated that Regina couldn't use the wand but she could. She was also able to easily break the spell Dark Swan put on one of the Dwarfs. The only time Regina is weaker than Emma is when she doesn't believe in herself. Rumple even explains why Regina isn't as strong as she use to be in the finale of season 5. Also we are talking about current Emma and Current Regina not What Emma could possibly be because that would be nothing more than Speculation. You keep bringing up that the only reason she doesn't have feats like Regina because she is inexperienced but that doesn't mean anything when we are scaling characters as of now.

Also bringing up the stuff about True love being the strongest magic and emma being the product of true love as a way to say she is stronger than Regina doesn't mean much when Regina possesses strong Light magic also. Glinda says only the strongest Light magic can defeat Zeleena and it was Regina who defeated Zeleena not Emma. So not only is Regina one of the most powerful Dark magic users but also a powerful Light magic user also. So to sit up here and say Emma has more raw power isn't true at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tBOL13bSLA