Board Thread:Character Discussion/@comment-25926288-20151211170125/@comment-28162607-20160409181211

Eskaver wrote: Okay, the title is a bit dramatic, or perhaps not dramatic enough.

Hook's relationship with Emma is one of the many polarizing things in fandom lore; however, I could care less about who you ship Emma with. This is about Henry.

From the Swan Song thread:

"I have my problems with Hook. I have my problems with the show's sense of morality, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out and shouldn't take long to figure out that he shouldn't be trying to kill off his love's family. Say what you want about their relationship, but look underneath all the pretty and you see the ugly. He sat there happily condemning the beloved's family of people that he befriended to death, but then saw his beloved choking to change. That may not bother you, but let's recap:

Hook is "killing"  or allowing the killing of:

- Emma's parents, whom she worked hard to love and to find.

- Emma's friends

- But more importantly, Emma's son

I may often hearken back to season 3 being the good old days, but nothing stood between Emma and her son. Not Regina, not her parents, and not love interest # 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. Now, there's this pesky puppy love that pushing between Emma's love for her son and herself. Pretty much her romance with Hook is like the dagger to Rumple and Baelfire. Nothing ever stood between Rumple and Bae. Rumple crippled himself to see his son. Rumple became the dark One to save his son. But then the dagger came and risked the wellbeing of his son. Rumple's a bad, bad man. But replace Rumple with Emma, Bae with Henry and the dagger with Hook. Alter some of the situations and it's pretty much similar.

I like Hook a bit and it's understandable that Emma has a love interest. It's even passable with the extreme levels of forgiveness, but at this point her relationship with Hook is hurting and has hurted relationship with Henry."

Now many have complained that Regina dumping Henry for a while because of forest man was uncalled for, but this beat that by a mile. Emma has tarnished her son's first love, sucumbed to darkness, memory-wiped her family and friends for the love of this man she should have let die. Emma of old (aka before season 4 and onwards) didn't let anything stand in her way and her son's happiness because of her love for her son. Even Emma's annoying "Go back to NYC" was reasonable because she just wanted Henry to be happy. But now, she's devolved into someone else. This new Emma threatens her son's livelihood because of reasons. She ends of failing, not because of her parents or son, but because of a man that wandered into her life. But this isn't some feminist's verbage or something, it's just a clear observation.

Emma never cred to pursue any relationship unless it ws good for her son and if it was best. During Neverland, she dismissed ThingOne and ThingTwo because her son was in danger. In season 3, she dismissed another start and what home was for her son's potential happiness. Even in seaosn 4, she's saved everyone. But now in 5a, she's seemingly not doing that anymore. She's trying to balance many types of love and where her love for her son usually won, it didn't.

Emma;s a grown woman and she did make her own decisions, but so in recent events Hook and Emma's relationship has taken a turn for the worse. Hook-after being forcefully turned into the DO-nearly allowed the killing of Emma's family, but didn't, because he broke free. Because at his core, he is heroic. He was horrified and guilt-ridden at what he had done.

Emma hurting Henry and Violet's relationship had nothing to do with Hook in the slightest. She was the Dark One and Dark Ones do bad stuff. And she desperately tried to make it up to him.

Remember when Emma said "I can't lose you too?" because after losing Neal and Graham she was too afraid to get into a relationship because both her exes were dead? Can we blame Emma for bringing Hook back? Yes it was selfish but can you really blame her? And then she desperately wanted to put things right. The mind-wiping was a stupid move, but it was to fix the whole thing.

And Emma has taken Henry's feelings into consideration regarding this relationship. She asked Henry if he would be okay with her dating Hook and Henry, although he said he wasn't, actually pushed her into the diner to ask him out.

Emma was terrified when Henry was in danger and was willing to sacrifice herself to save him and her family. But please, tell me more about how she doesn't care about him.

What the Hell (pun intended) is wrong with having two True Loves, both of which love you more than anything and wanting both? Emma, who grew up with no one, now has many people who love her. I think it's a bit unfair to her to say "Yeah well, you can't care about anyone else, only Henry? Killian, a man you love, just died and you have a way to save him? Tough."

5x11 showed Henry and her family are her priority.

With regard to the UW, he is going because a)the plot needs him to be there and b) come on the child got into an alternate reality last season, he'd be able to get down to the UnderWorld on his own. In a deleted scene,, Henry said "Leave me behind, I'll come anyway."