Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-25703308-20150427001401/@comment-25926288-20150428190726

CoolDudeAl wrote: Eskaver wrote: CoolDudeAl wrote: As for the complaints that the characters don't evolve enough, that's not because the plot is poorly written, or anything, that's because people don't change over night. It takes time. Regina didn't go from all good to all evil in a week, and she isn't going to go back to all good in a week either. Rumple is an addict, and the thing about addicts is even when they try really hard to stay on the straight and narrow, they often relapse. I think some people think there are weird jumps in how these characters act, and while they may change, it takes time, and doesn't happen overnight. Honestly, the biggest jump in a character that doesn't completely make sense has been Will, from where he was at the end of Wonderland, to where he is now, but I'm assuming it will be explained at some point, and then make perfect sense. Of course it's not because the plot is poorly written, it's because the characters are! XD Most characterization is consistent with what was established. It's that the plot affects the characters and how they react to it is the writing for the characters. I think Rumple post-season 3a makes complete sense, but as the writiers know, they didn't explain it clearly for others that watch. There was a PSTD thing going on, but we didn't know that until  they actually had the character to spout some exposition. That was what Frozen the season was pretty much filled with. They had Rumple go all evil without any known reason for much of the arc and Regina was sort of all mopey and even neglected Henry. Regina even said she regretted not going into that tavern, when she clearly said that she regretted nothing because she had Henry. It's moments like these that most complain.

Will is a weird entity that they use as plot device character for this season. Need something to happen, well, throw in Will and have at it. Can't support Scarlet Beauty because they don't explain anything (besides he makes Belle feel secure  and stuff), and everything is Rumple's perspective. We are with him on the outside of the relationship looking in. Isn't that the charm of something that is serialized though? You don't get to know everything all the time. You see things that don't quite make sense, and go "what is going on with that", and it later gets explained. Sometimes way way way later. That's my take anyway. No, that's perfect. I love mystery, especially all that in prior seasons and in current ones. However, reading some tweets and interviews, it seems as if they fail to show something they were trying to show and then they dump exposition on us. If I never read interviews, tweets, spoilers and spoilers/analysis on forums, I'd probably just go along for the ride and wouldn't ever notice these things. I love every episode and would watch each many times over, but as I say quite often, after season 3a, the charm was sort of lost to me. Maybe it's because I became more involved (which I didn't really until Frozen) or when Once Upon a Ship happened. I felt the whimsical charm even with Peter Pan. Then, something just seemed off with the following ones. Not that they were bad, just different.

Back to the episode, I loved it, but feel lied to (as many do when it comes to hyped up promotion and stuff)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX3f1iW5irI

Here lies the promo for season 4b's plot. Flash forward to "Lily", completely misleading (as promos tend to be) and just what happened? It's a clever (not really) thing to pretty much spoil that Emma will go dark (or run along the edges), but they mention it like it's the only word they speak. Even Lilith speaks in these terms! Did the Apprentice possess her and decided to speak unlike a normal person? I can understand her desire for revenge and knowing stuff, but can she act like a normal human being on occasion! She seems to lack any sort of emotion and they made a relevant character in Emma;s life be another fate/ EF character. Can she just have one normal friend? I bet Kevin is a Lost Boy and her family is some people too. They play with metaphysical things like fate and free will. So, you can't avoid fate, but you have free will along the way. Cool, but that doesn't help. It restricts free will from the characters and now it's the "Author did it" "Fate made me do this, I may have chosen the way though". It was fate that Cora's daughter would cast the curse, which mean that one of them is screwed either way! Regardless of their choices, one of them would have to lose the one they loved most to do the curse. That means that Regina or Zelena wouldn't have a choice and their character is pretty much set to becoming evil or at least morally disturbed.