Board Thread:Wiki-Related Discussion/@comment-1894786-20151107225625/@comment-11464223-20151108153859

Lady Junky wrote: CoolDudeAl wrote: This is tricky. While the films are more or less canon, there have been small changes made (one of the ones that hasen't been noted so far is that Merida does not destroy her clothes when she transformed and is still wearing them when she transforms back), and obviously Arendelle and DunBroch are parts of FTL. But at the same time, then never show the events of the movie, because all the main plot points of them are assumed to have happened. Seriously, it doesn't work any other way. So technically to get the most out of the viewing experience, you would want to watch the film, or at least read a plot summary. So I think we could say something like "The events that happened in this part of the timeline are assumed to be the same as seen in the movie Frozen/Brave." Or something to that effect. Because just listing the things we got references to is going to be both disjointed and not really explain things that we know had to have happened. We can't "assume" on a page, we must use facts and proven points, not suppositions.

The thing is, I don't know that we have a better option than to do something similar. We might have to break protocol.

For one, The movies aren't 100% canon, as has been proved, so there has to be something that makes a point of that -- perhaps "assume" isn't the best word, at least on its own, but you could say, "The events that happened in this part of the timeline are assumed to be extremely similar to the events seen in the films Frozen/Brave/etc."

Moreover, we can't know if they're going to retcon anything else from the movies before the show's end to make them fit the show better (lol, sounds like an oxymoron) (like Elsa and Anna's mother's name, etc.), so again, it might be better to say something like what CoolDudeAI and I are suggesting. This is especially considering that since we can't know what else they're going to retcon, we can't very well just write the movie's plots in history sections, either, because if we have to go back and change something, it doesn't look good.

Furthermore, like has been said, we can't list just the referenced events, because that's going to be disjoined and it's not entirely accurate, either. We know that there's more that's been accepted to happen than just what's been referenced, but we don't make a reference to that? That's not right.

Basically, I think we're going to have to sacrifice one thing for another -- I think we can't follow the regular protocol and just go with what the facts are, because the hard truth is that we don't know what all the facts are -- we don't know what from the movies is and isn't canon -- but, we must try and maintain accuracy. We have to stay as accurate as possible, and, honestly, when I think about it, I think that if someone asked me what the #1 defining quality of this wiki and its community is, I would say that we boast accuracy above all else. Now I recognize that's just my opinion, but this is sort of reminding me of/harkening back to the gender debate from earlier, and how we, in the end, went for accuracy above all else.

That, to me, was a defining moment in this wiki's history (if you'll excuse my being dramatic (and arguably over-dramatic haha) for a moment here), because something came up where we could have chosen to "go with the flow," but we didn't -- we chose to go with what was most accurate. I'm sure there's been other instances of this happening, but that's the one in most recent memory and again, the one easiest to mention off the top of my head.

Tl;dr/Summary: We have to go with what's most accurate, and I think that saying something along the lines of what CoolDudeAI and I have suggested, might be the most accurate. We don't know what is and isn't canon from the movies because as it's been seen (and mentioned already), not everything is in fact canon, and we have to address that. We also must recognize that we therefore don't know what else from the movies could be/will be retconned, and we don't want to have to deal with that in the future. We can't very well just write what's been referenced in the show, either, because that would be disjointed and incomplete, and we can't write what's been referenced and what we assume is correct because that would certainly be inaccurate. Conclusively, I think our best bet is to write something like what CoolDudeAI and I are suggesting, because it takes care of all these issues, and is the best way to maintain the most amount of accuracy we're going to be able to maintain. After all -- these are special cases (Frozen and Brave being mostly canon to the show), and so they must be treated as such.