Board Thread:Character Discussion/@comment-25926288-20151211170125/@comment-27885419-20160229155106

Eskaver wrote: PrettyBlackRosePirate wrote: Eskaver wrote: PrettyBlackRosePirate wrote:  In season 4, numerous times I found Emma's behaviour a bit strange, like she was making excuses for Hook, when he himself felt guilty about it. Like when he says it's his fault the fairies got trapped in the hat, Emma says "It wasn't you, it was Gold." When he talks about what happened with Ursula, she tells him it won't affect them. She repeatedly insists "You're not that man anymore." while Hook himself is afraid that his past might affect his - their - future. Further amplified when she chooses to make him the dark one and embrace darkness herself rather than let him die.

I thought back about it, and this is what I think. Emma has always sought love since childhood and whenever she found it she became quite attached and wanted to hold on, to change herself for it. Neal's betrayal changed some things about her, made her more closed and mistrusting, having mile high walls, but still she craved love. She found it again with her family, with Henry, with her parents, and eventually Hook as well. After Neal, Hook was the first person she had come this far with, i.e., openly admitted and accepted her love. Hook had won her love and trust, and slowly her fears were also subdued. But this created a sort of dependence for her, I don't know how to explain it exactly. Initially she had fears and inhibitions regarding her and Hook, but slowly she began to subdue them. She never truly got rid of them, but she wanted to be free of them, to be assured, that is why she made those excuses, to reassure herself and brush away her own fears. She desperately wanted this to work, and deep down was hell scared that it wouldn't, that he would die, or leave her, or something would happen and it would end. Hook gave her hope of a happy future, and she desperately wanted that future. This produced a sense of dependence in her and made her downright desperate sometimes, especially when as the dark one fears and negativity ruled her mind. I'll agree for the most part, but I think the Neal thing is a bit overstated. Emma;s alls comes from a number of life instances with being an orphan, Ingrid, Lily and then Neal, not simply Neal alone. Those are how her walls formed but she still had some wholes in that wall where some people squeezed past.

The issue many have with it isn't what it is (Yeah, some people do, but that's not what I'm getting at). It's everything else around it. IF the Emma-Hook relatiohsip was the forefront and the only two major characters, then it would probably be fine, but...........surprise it's not. Henry was the first person to face Walled Emma and he was able to sowly bring down Emma's walls. It wasn't Hook doing all the heavy lifting, but Henry primarily, then Snow and Hook. Now, Hook plays a major role, but the issue is how everything is cast to the wayside. As I always say, It's not Hook, but the relationship...getting greater focus. It's nice and have beautiful moments, but when you have Snow and David doing like nothing for Emma and Henry sitting around pouting and throwing wacky villains forgiveness, except Emma; there is something off. Equal balance between Emma-Henry, Emma-Snowing, and Emma-Hook, is the best balance of all. I didn't mean that Neal is the only reason for her walls, but more or less he is a major contributor. The fact that Emma accepted him way more easily into her life and the amount of depression she faced after he left make me think so.

I agree completely that there should be a balance between the three relations, and I agree that it has not been kept. The romantic relation of Hook and Emma has come to the forefront from season 4 and the others have been neglected. It irked me as well.

Perhaps the writers thought we'd had enough of Emma-Henry, Regina-Henry and Snowing-Emma with the rejections, acceptances, amnesias, etc. that's why the focus came on romantic relations with rather more of Emma-Hook and Regina-Robin and somewhat Regina-Emma friendship. And that's why I made this thread and in part because season 5a was suppose to be Emma's time to shine and it made it her weak. She seemed iillogical at times, incompetent at times, and somethings didn't add up. A strong character is defined by who comepetent we perceived them, how sympathethic we feel towards them, and how proactive they are. In this arc, Hook was "stronger" than Emma and then the arc twisted in a way that was about him. That's why people are a tad upset......whoops, off-topic, lol.

Emma was about all tyes of love with family being the standard bearer, but since 3b, but mostly season 4a, it's become more about romance (ironically during the Frozen arc when Frozen is about family). So, as it appears to me at least, the focus on Hook, or rather Emma-Hook's relationship leaves the other relationships on the backburner and that at the end hurts Emma (and others, but Emma's the main character).

I'll ask you this question: Is the relationship good for Hook? I mean, isn't Emma still technically ignoring his death wish? Just because Rumple's the DO doesn't mean Emma just gets to bring him back, right? I think it is... I mean yeah, he had to wait a long time running after her, sort of became a lovesick puppy... but overall, him running after Emma with the wish of a life is better than him running after Mr Crocodile with a wish of death...

He has always insisted the he's a survivor and he really wants to live for her, his 'death wish' was probably what struck him as the better option in that scenario.

Overall, I don't want the character Hook to end coz I love him (mind you, that is NOT bcoz Colin is hot!) and I like Hook (and Emma, for that matter) as an individual character as well. That plus I'm a Captain Swan shipper so yeah, I want Emma to get him back.

I just don't see the point of dragging everyone there. It's probably bcoz it'll occupy most of the 5b arc and if you don't show Regina or Snowing or even Henry for that long a time there will surely be an uproar.