Talk:Up/@comment-25375217-20171028195704

Alright, opening up a public discussion for this two because right now it's happening via edit war and two private message walls.

Right now, the page lists Gideon as Carl and Ellie's child. But can we really say that?

In the Carl and Ellie montage at the beginning of Up, Carl and Ellie decide to have children. They paint a nursey, but then they are seen at a hospital talking to a doctor and looking heartbroken and then they never have kids. Because of how the montage works, it's not completely clear whether they are unable to have children or if Ellie just had a miscarriage. If it's the former, Carl and Ellie's child does not exist and therefore Gideon can't be based on them. If it's the latter, there's a little more room to claim Gideon is based on the unborn baby.

I personally think they learned Ellie was barren. Ellie is constantly thin during that part of the montage; if it were a miscarriage, you'd think she'd start showing. Furthermore, in my admittedly limited knowledge, miscarriages require procedures and the mother is usually in a hospital room. The fact that the doctor is talking to her while she's sitting down makes much more sense if he's telling her she's barren.

However, is this even relevant? I don't see how Gideon can be based on even an unborn child. It's just kind of a stretch to include someone who wasn't really part of the Up story on Once anyway.