Board Thread:Rant and Rave/@comment-28162607-20170818082458/@comment-1916997-20170831104317

Aine1989 wrote: CadoDoan wrote: Aine1989 wrote: Yeah but they could have had a good plot for the mian character instead of one of the most heinous examples of whitewashing I have ever seen. Regina didn't do all those awful things, it was the Evil Queen! And anyway Snow and Emma should be grateful for the suffering she caused; it made them who they are!

I go back to my earlier point about how they could have gone down two alleys and they chose neither.

And she looked even worse considering that at the same time, you had Killian taking direct responsibility for his actions eg. Robert, Belle and Liam 2 (yes I know he fucked up a little with Robert but he got there in the end). You had him put his hand up and say "Yes I did that, it was not OK and I deserve to be punished/I will make up for it in any way I can" meanwhile Regina is running around blaming her own actions on a separate entity and acting like she never did anything wrong ("the horrible mother I could have been"=HORRIBLE MOTHER YOU WERE). This arc did Regina (and Lana as an actor for that matter) no favours. Look, no Regina fan or Regina or the writers or Lana herself think that all the horrible things was done by a SEPERATE entity, aka the Evil Queen. I know you don't like Regina, that's fine. But you keep telling things that are not true to any person I mentioned. No one thinks that. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. Why do you think Regina gave a 10 minute speech to Emma in 521? It's because she blames herself from the beginning (she likes blaming others generally. But her own actions, no). If you check Regina Mills' page in the wikia and read her quote, you'll understand what I mean.

The serum thing  was dumb, yes. But she did it because she does not want to revert to her old days, or maybe she simply wanted to cl ear her head. but she did not do it because she wanted another entity to blame. B ut I agree that Regina was weak at that point. She just didn't want to face her own fear and thought that ıf she uses the serum, she will not revert back. Everyone is making their own choices in their life. So as I said, I do think that it was dumb that she could think that she will lose the Evil Queen in her head forever if she uses the serum. So what, can't she revert back to her old days if she wants anytime and anywhere, even though she uses the serum? It was a mistake from the start.

But as I said, Regina DOES think that the actions she has made was all hers. Not another person. I must be talking to the wrong Regina fans then, because 99% of each one I have spoken to says something along the lines of "Regina didn't do it, that was the Evil Queen!" as if they are not the exact same person.

Thing is, if Regina does think she is responsible for her own actions why did she say "The Evil Queen is inside me, always trying to get out". She was literally acting like being a bad person is the same as being the Dark One. And then she says "I guess I'll always be paying the price for what you did, I did" (boohoo Regina you're going to face some consequences for once in your life how awful). I find it very sad that her "character growth" was slightly accpeting responsibility for her own actions, something she should have been doing since 3b if they really wanted to redeem her. I mean in 6x01 Snow said "When you-the Evil Queen- was trying to kill me" and it took all I had not to scream "THEY ARE THE SAME F***ING PERSON". And again in 6x08, she said the EQ reminded her of "the horrible mother I could have been" when in fact, she was that horrible mother.

She split herself from the Queen so she could get out of facgin consequences for it, per her own admission. She did not think about her victims' pain or people who might get hurt if she reverted, she said the reason she wants to get rid of the EQ is so she won't have to deal with "her baggade, her karma" (said karma has been very light). The whole s5 finale acted like Regina's struggle to be an actual decent person for once in her damn life was on par with Emma being the Dark  One.

In my humble opinion, she cannot be considered redeemed unless she takes the Evil Queen back and accepts that she will face consequences like any other person on the show. (I will fully admit now I did not watch 6x14, only clips of itso I am going on what I have seen) And so giving her a happy ending and letting her swan off (pun intended) with Robin was just..... no. Letting you evil half get a happily ever after despite not really earning it? And the idea that she nevr loved herself and that is why she was an abuser is laughable considering that she has alaways been a huge narcassist. And offensive to abuse victims; your abuser only hurt you because they didn't love themselves! Wait, all the complaining you do about Regina and the Serum Queen, and you didn't actually watch the episode that had a lot of important explaination for what happened and why. I don't think that's being fair to yourself or the character. Also, because you didn't watch the episode, you are also not interpeting things correctly. The episode didn't say Regina didn't love herself, what happened was she took Cupid's Arrow, an item that will bring you too who you love the most, and inversed it, so it would find who you hate the most, assuming it would lead her to Snow. Of course, the arrow actually led her to a mirror in her castle, because the person Regina hates the most is Regina (or more specifically the Evil Queen she had become). You would also understand, if you watched the episode, that Regina and the Serum Queen cannot merge back with the Serum Queen as they literally severed themselves from each other, meaning they are now two completely seperate people (think like an identical twin or a clone). Anyway, my larger point here is don't complain about the character if you can't even be bothered to watch the episode that explains things.