Board Thread:Character Discussion/@comment-25926288-20170805235523/@comment-1916997-20170806170808

Aine1989 wrote: CoolDudeAl wrote: Aine1989: I think the major problem is that you minimize Hook's crimes, and maximize Regina's and Rumple's. Hook's main crime was piracy. Pirates primarily live on the water, so naturally he wasn't ruling over people like Regina (who was the ruling monarch when Snow ran away) or making deals with everyone like Rumple. As part of his piracy, Hook killed people, he stole from people, he may have kidnapped children for Pan (somewhat implyed, but not proven), etc. He was not a good person. And yes, he's apologized for things he has done, but so have Regina and Rumple. Regina has apologized to Snow for not being a better mother figure to her. Rumple has apologized to Belle for not being the man she deserves. Basically, the point I'm making is they have all done terrible things, and we shouldn't ignore the fact they are all very grey characters. If Hook is bad for being a pirate, Snow is bad for being a bandit. They both rebelled against corrup monarchies. If Hook is bad for being a theif so is Snow, Robin, Emma and Neal.

Hook was never shown to want to rule over people and make their lives miserable. He wanted to get his revenge and then die. R&R wanted their happy endings, which for me, makes Hook a far more sympathetic villain.

It is also never implied that he got kids for Pan, in fact that was shown to be the shadow's job. So stop acting as though your headcanon is canon.

I am not saying Hook never did any wrong. I never said that. He did plenty wrong eg. shooting Belle, killing Robert, taking Ursula's voice, but he was never as bad as either of them and his redemption is much better than theirs. The difference is how he (and the narrative) react to his bad deeds.

Yes Rumple has apolohised and then done the same thing again. It's like the guy who gives the girl flowers and says "I'm going to be better" then a few months later it starts again. The song 'You're Not Sorry' by  Taylor Swift comes to mind. What's to stop him from abusing Belle again?

And the problem with Regina's apology in my opinion (I am assuming you are referring to the one in 6B? Which I am going to say now,  I did not watch the whole episode but I youtubed most of it, including the apology) is that for one; too little too late. Snow forgave Regina in s3 with no apology. Secondly, Regina never took back the Evil Queen, still referred to her as 'the Evil Queen', treated her like a separate entity. And the whole problem with their relationship is that Snow is still blamed for "bringing the Evil Queen into the world".

So no  I am not minimising Hook's bad deeds. I am simply stating what is canon; he was never as terrible as the other two Saying his is not as terrible is subjective. In the real world all three would probably be in jail for the rest of their lives, without chance at parole. So to me they are all equally bad. And yes, Snow, Emma, Neal, and Robin have also done bad things as well. Almost every character on the show has done bad things. I'm not happy when the "good guys" do bad things either.